#766: The Random Show — Lessons from Tim’s Sabbatical, Alzheimer's Breakthroughs, Kevin Tries a Medium, Fitness Tools and Protocols, Book Recommendations, and More AI transcript and summary - episode of podcast The Tim Ferriss Show

Go to PodExtra AI's episode page (#766: The Random Show — Lessons from Tim’s Sabbatical, Alzheimer's Breakthroughs, Kevin Tries a Medium, Fitness Tools and Protocols, Book Recommendations, and More) to play and view complete AI-processed content: summary, mindmap, topics, takeaways, transcript, keywords and highlights.

Go to PodExtra AI's podcast page (The Tim Ferriss Show) to view the AI-processed content of all episodes of this podcast.

View full AI transcripts and summaries of all podcast episodes on the blog: The Tim Ferriss Show

Episode: #766: The Random Show — Lessons from Tim’s Sabbatical, Alzheimer's Breakthroughs, Kevin Tries a Medium, Fitness Tools and Protocols, Book Recommendations, and More

Author: Tim Ferriss: Bestselling Author, Human Guinea Pig
Duration: 02:04:11

Episode Shownotes

This time, we have a very special episode I recorded with my close friend Kevin Rose in person at his house. We trade our latest discoveries, and I think it’s one of our best. Tons of actionable takeaways and laughing fits. We cover dozens of topics: new projects, what I’ve

done on my recent sabbatical after the podcast’s 10th anniversary, Kevin’s latest findings and shenanigans, real vampire protocols, and much, much more.Sponsors:Helix Sleep premium mattresses: https://HelixSleep.com/Tim (25% off all mattress orders and two free pillows)AG1 all-in-one nutritional supplement: https://drinkag1.com/tim (1-year supply of Vitamin D (and 5 free AG1 travel packs) with your first subscription purchase.)Wealthfront high-yield cash account: https://Wealthfront.com/Tim (Start earning 5.00% APY on your short-term cash until you’re ready to invest. And when new clients open an account today, you can get an extra fifty-dollar bonus with a deposit of five hundred dollars or more.) Terms apply. Tim Ferriss receives cash compensation from Wealthfront Brokerage, LLC for advertising and holds a non-controlling equity interest in the corporate parent of Wealthfront Brokerage. See full disclosures here.Timestamps:[00:00] Start[07:40] A sabbatical recap and future podcasting plans.[15:25] PicStudio's disturbingly realistic AI-generated portraits.[17:25] Kevin's new Jess Mascetti tattoo.[18:08] Vampire facials and a platelet-rich plasma (PRP) problem.[22:22] Tequila martinis.[24:20] Romance versus radical planning.[32:50] Bobby Fingers.[34:46] Training for the hunt.[41:15] Fairbanks fun.[42:11] European dating.[43:46] Hasty oral hygiene with Feno.[48:00] The mysteries of mimetic contagion.[49:21] Big book beginnings.[50:15] Kevin's AI-powered investment advisor experiment.[51:34] Publishing strategies.[52:25] Why you should visit Ryan Holiday's bookstore.[53:53] A visit from a 14-year-old Toaster.[54:40] The Dog Aging Project.[55:14] Original Love: Zen master Henry Shukman's new app.[55:37] Kevin's Zen Hell week.[58:10] Dena Dubal's Alzheimer's treatment breakthrough.[1:07:45] Small expectations for a medium turn large.[1:14:44] Inexplicable skill efficacy and hypernatural happenings.[1:23:47] Another outstanding Addison-refined refreshment.[1:24:39] Unmissable media recommendations.[1:31:18] Taking ketamine seriously.[1:39:37] More tequila and tattoo talk.[1:40:27] What's the Flux?[1:45:34] A children's book for adults.[1:46:40] Are you hunting antelope or field mice?[1:48:12] Analyzing what "chill" looks like for me.[1:57:02] Parting thoughts.*For show notes and past guests on The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast.For deals from sponsors of The Tim Ferriss Show, please visit tim.blog/podcast-sponsorsSign up for Tim’s email newsletter (5-Bullet Friday) at tim.blog/friday.For transcripts of episodes, go to tim.blog/transcripts.Discover Tim’s books: tim.blog/books.Follow Tim:Twitter: twitter.com/tferriss Instagram: instagram.com/timferrissYouTube: youtube.com/timferrissFacebook: facebook.com/timferriss LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/timferrissPast guests on The Tim Ferriss Show include Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Dr. Jane Goodall, LeBron James, Kevin Hart, Doris Kearns Goodwin, Jamie Foxx, Matthew McConaughey, Esther Perel, Elizabeth Gilbert, Terry Crews, Sia, Yuval Noah Harari, Malcolm Gladwell, Madeleine Albright, Cheryl Strayed, Jim Collins, Mary Karr, Maria Popova, Sam Harris, Michael Phelps, Bob Iger, Edward Norton, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Neil Strauss, Ken Burns, Maria Sharapova, Marc Andreessen, Neil Gaiman, Neil de Grasse Tyson, Jocko Willink, Daniel Ek, Kelly Slater, Dr. Peter Attia, Seth Godin, Howard Marks, Dr. Brené Brown, Eric Schmidt, Michael Lewis, Joe Gebbia, Michael Pollan, Dr. Jordan Peterson, Vince Vaughn, Brian Koppelman, Ramit Sethi, Dax Shepard, Tony Robbins, Jim Dethmer, Dan Harris, Ray Dalio, Naval Ravikant, Vitalik Buterin, Elizabeth Lesser, Amanda Palmer, Katie Haun, Sir Richard Branson, Chuck Palahniuk, Arianna Huffington, Reid Hoffman, Bill Burr, Whitney Cummings, Rick Rubin, Dr. Vivek Murthy, Darren Aronofsky, Margaret Atwood, Mark Zuckerberg, Peter Thiel, Dr. Gabor Maté, Anne Lamott, Sarah Silverman, Dr. Andrew Huberman, and many more.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Full Transcript

00:00:00 Speaker_00
Hello boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss. Welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show.

00:00:04 Speaker_00
It's been a while, where it's my job to interview world-class performers from every imaginable discipline to tease out, you guessed it, the habits, routines, favorite books, and so on that you can apply to your own lives.

00:00:16 Speaker_00
750 or so episodes and counting, so we've covered a lot of ground. This time we have a very special episode. This is always a listener favorite, a recording with my close friend, Kevin Rose.

00:00:28 Speaker_00
Kevin Rose, for those who don't know, at Kevin Rose everywhere. He is indeed a world-class entrepreneur, serial founder, investor in the smallest of seed rounds up to the largest of companies. He is a full spectrum, full stack Capitalist.

00:00:45 Speaker_00
I don't know what the hell I'm saying. But we did this interview in person at his house in the format of The Random Show. And what we always do, and we've done this for 10 years, I suppose now.

00:00:58 Speaker_00
We trade our latest discoveries, our latest findings, what our friends have sent to us. And I think it is one of our best.

00:01:06 Speaker_00
There's tons of actionable takeaways, lots of laughing fits, and that might have something to do with the fact that Kevin invited his friend and bartender to service cocktails.

00:01:18 Speaker_00
We cover dozens of topics, new projects, what I've done on my recent sabbatical, Kevin's latest findings and shenanigans, real vampire protocols, apparently that's a thing, and much, much more.

00:01:29 Speaker_00
It even includes some incredibly bizarre footage of Kevin having his face assaulted by experimental technology. We videotaped that live together and Video is not at all required to enjoy this episode Whatsoever audio is great.

00:01:45 Speaker_00
But for some extra hilarity if you want to see that video I mentioned and more simply go to youtube.com slash Tim Ferriss F-e-r-r-i-s-s But first just a few quick words from our sponsors who make this show possible

00:02:01 Speaker_00
Way back in the day, in 2010, I published a book called The 4-Hour Body, which I probably started writing in 2008. And in that book, I recommended many, many, many things. First generation continuous glucose monitor.

00:02:17 Speaker_00
and cold exposure and all sorts of things that have been tested by people from NASA and all over the place. And one thing in that book was athletic greens. I did not get paid to include it, I was using it.

00:02:30 Speaker_00
That's how long I've been using what is now known as AG1.

00:02:34 Speaker_00
AG1 is my all-in-one nutritional insurance, and I just packed up, for instance, to go off the grid for a while, and the last thing I left out on my countertop to remember to take, I'm not making this up, I'm looking right in front of me, is travel packets of AG1.

00:02:51 Speaker_00
So rather than taking multiple pills or products to cover your mental clarity, gut health, immune health, energy, and so on, you can support these areas through one daily scoop of AG1, which tastes great even with water.

00:03:02 Speaker_00
I always just have it with water. I usually take it first thing in the morning, and it takes me less than two minutes in total. Honestly, it takes me less than a minute. I just put it in a shaker bottle, shake it up, and I'm done.

00:03:12 Speaker_00
AG-1 bolsters my digestion and nutrient absorption by including ingredients optimized to support a healthy gut in every scoop. AG-1 in single-serve travel packs, which I mentioned earlier, also makes for the perfect travel companion.

00:03:26 Speaker_00
I'll actually be going totally off the grid, but these things are Incredibly, incredibly space-efficient. You could even put them in a book, frankly. I mean, they're kind of like bookmarks.

00:03:36 Speaker_00
After consuming this product for more than a decade, I chose to invest in AG1 in 2021 as I trust their no-compromise approach to ingredient sourcing and appreciate their focus on continuously improving one formula.

00:03:48 Speaker_00
They go above and beyond by testing for 950 or so contaminants and impurities compared to the industry standard of 10. AG1 is also tested for heavy metals and 500 various pesticides and herbicides. I've started paying a lot of attention to pesticides.

00:04:03 Speaker_00
That's a story for another time. To make sure you're consuming only the good stuff. AG1 is also NSF certified for sport. That means if you're an athlete, you can take it.

00:04:13 Speaker_00
The certification process is exhaustive and involves the testing and verification of each ingredient and every finished batch of AG1. So they take testing very seriously. There's no better time than today to start a new healthy habit.

00:04:26 Speaker_00
And this is an easy one, right? Wake up, water in the shaker bottle, AG1, boom. So take advantage of this exclusive offer for you, my dear podcast listeners, a free one-year supply of liquid vitamin D plus five travel packs with your subscription.

00:04:42 Speaker_00
Simply go to drinkag1.com slash Tim. That's the number one. Drinkag1.com slash Tim for a free one year supply of liquid vitamin D plus five travel packs with your first subscription purchase. Learn more at drinkag1.com slash Tim.

00:05:00 Speaker_00
This episode is brought to you by Helix Sleep. Helix Sleep is a premium mattress brand that provides tailored mattresses based on your sleep preferences.

00:05:07 Speaker_00
Their lineup includes 14 unique mattresses, including a collection of luxury models, a mattress for big and tall sleepers, that's not me, and even a mattress made specifically for kids.

00:05:16 Speaker_00
They have models with memory foam layers to provide optimal pressure relief if you sleep on your side, as I often do and did last night on one of their beds.

00:05:24 Speaker_00
Models with more responsive foam to cradle your body for essential support in stomach and back sleeping positions and on and on. They have you covered. So how will you know which Helix mattress works best for you and your body?

00:05:35 Speaker_00
Take the Helix sleep quiz at helixsleep.com slash Tim and find your perfect mattress in less than two minutes. Personally, for the last few years, I have been sleeping on a Helix Midnight Luxe mattress.

00:05:47 Speaker_00
I also have one of those in the guest bedroom, and feedback from friends has always been fantastic. They frequently say it's the best night of sleep they've had in ages. It's something they comment on without any prompting from me whatsoever.

00:05:59 Speaker_00
Helix mattresses are American-made and come with a 10 or 15-year warranty, depending on the model. Your mattress will be shipped straight to your door, free of charge.

00:06:07 Speaker_00
And there's no better way to test out a new mattress than by sleeping on it in your own home. That's why they offer a 100-night risk-free trial. If you decide it's not the best fit, you're welcome to return it for a full refund.

00:06:18 Speaker_00
Helix has been awarded number one mattress by both GQ and Wired magazines. And now Helix has harnessed years of extensive mattress expertise to bring you a truly elevated sleep experience.

00:06:29 Speaker_00
Their newest collection of mattresses, called Helix Elite, includes six different mattress models, each tailored for specific sleep positions and firmness preferences, so you can get exactly what your body needs.

00:06:42 Speaker_00
Each Helix Elite mattress comes with an extra layer of foam for pressure relief and thousands of extra micro coils for best-in-class support and durability.

00:06:50 Speaker_00
Every Helix Elite mattress also comes with a 15-year manufacturer's warranty and the same 100-night trial as the rest of Helix's mattresses. And you, my dear listeners, can get between 25 and 30% off plus two free pillows on all mattress orders.

00:07:05 Speaker_00
So go to helixsleep.com slash Tim to check it out. That's helixsleep.com slash Tim. With Helix, better sleep starts now. Optimal minimum. At this altitude I can run flat out for a half mile before my hands start shaking.

00:07:22 Speaker_03
Can I answer your personal question?

00:07:24 Speaker_04
Now would have seemed like the perfect time.

00:07:26 Speaker_01
What if I did the opposite? I'm a cybernetic organism living this year over a metal endoskeleton.

00:07:32 Speaker_04
Me, Tim, Ferris, Joel.

00:07:41 Speaker_01
Hello, friends and family. Welcome to The Random Show. I am here in my studio with Tim Ferriss. Tim, you're here in my house. I know, it's so nice. I shouldn't say that my studio's in my house. We can still see it, it's fine. It's in your bat cave.

00:07:55 Speaker_01
I'm glad you're here, brother. It's good to see you in person.

00:07:57 Speaker_00
Yeah, it's great to see you. I'm really, really thrilled that it worked out. And what better way to get off of my podcast sabbatical than with saying hi to my good friend, Kevin.

00:08:05 Speaker_01
How did that feel, by the way?

00:08:07 Speaker_00
So the sabbatical, first time in 10 years that I've taken a break from the podcast, and it's been four months roughly.

00:08:17 Speaker_00
of sharing a lot of the greatest hits, and it's been a combination of feeling fantastic, and I've been working on other projects that are really energy in for me. My first new book in seven years that I've been working on.

00:08:31 Speaker_00
That's not a sabbatical, by the way, but... Well, usually, though, in fairness, the word sabbatical is typically used in academic circles, and when they take a break from teaching, they do other things, right? They do other things.

00:08:43 Speaker_00
And I think you and I, if we're being honest, working dogs, like we can take breaks, but it's like, you take some type of working dog, like a border collie, you stick it in your apartment in New York City and it doesn't run.

00:08:56 Speaker_00
And you're like, why is it chewing the couch? It's because it has to run. So for me to do the deep work of books specifically is just a different shift, different gear than feeling the pressure of putting out a podcast once or twice a week.

00:09:12 Speaker_01
Do you think that idea of shifting between those two, like podcast and then book, podcast, book, if you had to do that, it breaks up your train of thought too much so, or so much so that you wouldn't be able to have, like, do you need the undivided time?

00:09:24 Speaker_01
You need the undivided time.

00:09:25 Speaker_00
Okay. Yeah. And I'll make a recommendation or something that makes it very clear. There's an essay by Paul Graham, so co-founder of Y Combinator. famous for many different reasons, also spectacular writer, very good painter also, I believe.

00:09:40 Speaker_00
But he wrote an essay called The Top Idea in Your Mind or A Top Idea in Your Mind. And it talks about effectively attention as a currency and the importance of… There's a separate one, maker's schedule versus manager's schedule, something like that.

00:09:55 Speaker_00
But the importance of uninterrupted blocks of time, particularly if, for instance, you're dealing with a complex project. This is true of coding, for instance, also true of writing, where you're juggling like 27 balls in the air.

00:10:08 Speaker_00
And if you get distracted, you drop four, you have to start over again. And you have to build that rhythm, and it takes a really long time.

00:10:14 Speaker_00
So, if I'm thinking about the pressures of or the prep for, even if I'm having fun, of a podcast, it's basically robbing myself of, let's just call it, 20, 30, 40, 50 percent of the subconscious cycles that I could apply to the book, even when I'm not thinking about it.

00:10:31 Speaker_01
I mean, for something like this, obviously we're just bullshitting, but like I'd imagine a typical guest for you on the kind of research and due diligence side is like, you know, is that a couple of days work for you in terms of like- It can be a couple of days.

00:10:42 Speaker_00
In the case of some guests, it can be a few weeks. Yeah. If it's way outside of my normal areas of expertise. Oh, interesting.

00:10:48 Speaker_00
And even if we look at a few days, it's a lot of prep, it's a lot of thinking about the interview, even when I'm done prepping, which avenues I might take based on answers that go in a particular direction.

00:11:00 Speaker_00
So I take the craft of podcasting very seriously, although it's been a chance also for me, and I wanted to take this sabbatical not just to say work on the book, but to think about First 10 years have been great.

00:11:13 Speaker_00
If I continue to do this, which I would like to do, how do I keep it as exciting for me personally as possible? And if I do that, can I differentiate it in a podcast ecosystem that is increasingly oversaturated?

00:11:29 Speaker_01
This is the reason I just stopped doing podcasts. Well, I didn't stop it, but I cut back to one episode every six weeks. And it's because when I have a guest on, I totally get what you were saying. Because I remember I hit you up.

00:11:40 Speaker_01
I had a dear friend that launched a new book. And you're like, hey, I'm not doing any new books. And when you look at that person, great book, I loved it. They did 10 podcasts, right? And they all talk about the same thing. Right.

00:11:52 Speaker_01
So then you're just playing the, like, okay, maybe I want Tim's version. Maybe I want, you know, whoever else top 10 podcasts are out there.

00:11:59 Speaker_00
Yeah. And, but you're, you're, you're eating Kung Pao chicken no matter what, like, it's just like, whose sauce is slightly different.

00:12:05 Speaker_01
Exactly. And it doesn't feel is additive to the ecosystem to just do the same thing that's going around on the circuit.

00:12:11 Speaker_00
So let me get your take. And also, for people listening, I would love your take. I mean, I'm doing a lot of reflection on my own, so I'm not just outsourcing this. But in terms of rules for myself moving forward, I've thought about a few things.

00:12:23 Speaker_00
One is to basically take a barbell approach where I'm interviewing people who effectively no one has ever heard of, right? So who knows? The popcorn king of Milwaukee or whatever, right? Some master. who has not ever made the rounds.

00:12:37 Speaker_00
Ideally, it's someone, for instance, who's never done a long-form interview, like Jocko Willink the first time he was on the podcast or whatever it might be.

00:12:44 Speaker_00
Or on the opposite very far end, it's someone almost everyone would know, like a Bezos or a fill-in-the-blank, but very little in between because the podcasting circuit has largely become 20 or 30 podcasts at a time of

00:12:59 Speaker_00
book authors doing the modern equivalent of a radio satellite tour. And I just don't particularly want to participate in that anymore.

00:13:09 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:13:09 Speaker_00
Right.

00:13:10 Speaker_01
But with the Bezos, I'd imagine like, you're not going to go like, Hey, tell me about Q4 of last year at Amazon. No, I'd want to make it more. Tell me about like, how was your divorce? Like, or, you know, like shit that like you could get into.

00:13:21 Speaker_01
Hopefully that is uniquely, you know, you haven't heard anywhere else.

00:13:24 Speaker_00
And I'd want it to be evergreen. Yeah, I really don't want to and this is to my economic detriment, right? But I don't want to chase the current controversy of the day I don't want things that are going to expire in two months, right?

00:13:36 Speaker_00
I want my back catalog to be as interesting to people as the newer episode.

00:13:39 Speaker_00
Yes, and That's gonna mean taking it probably a pretty major financial haircut, but I'm totally fine with that at this point because also You have to think about say if you're thinking about the economic side of things like there's the short term and there's the long term right if I get so

00:13:56 Speaker_00
apathetic or bored that I stopped doing the podcast, well, that's the end of the income period.

00:14:01 Speaker_00
So if I ratchet it back 40%, let's just say in terms of volume, but I do it for longer over time, and my audience can tell that I'm really excited about the episodes that I'm putting out, which I, in general, have been.

00:14:13 Speaker_00
There are very few compromises I've made, but I can see the slippery slope. of just taking whatever gets pitched to you by publicists for the latest and greatest book.

00:14:20 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:14:21 Speaker_00
So these are all considerations.

00:14:23 Speaker_01
I love that, man. I think that's a great approach. I'd much rather see the longevity of Tim and higher quality episodes than just banging them out every single week.

00:14:31 Speaker_00
Oh, totally. And I really don't feel like I've made

00:14:33 Speaker_00
Many compromises, but there have been a few where I'm like, I don't want to do this kind of interview again Yeah, and I've also thought in terms of format of basically doing Co-hosted catch-ups with friends.

00:14:44 Speaker_00
So for instance, I might have and none of these people have agreed. So I don't actually I'm not even gonna mention names, but you can imagine some of my closest friends who've been on the podcast and

00:14:53 Speaker_00
who are very, very smart and good at asking questions, I catch up with them. They suggest a guest they think we could interview together. And then I'm catching up with a close friend while we're interviewing someone. Oh, that's cool.

00:15:04 Speaker_00
I think that would be great. I think that'd be super additive to my life.

00:15:08 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:15:08 Speaker_00
And then hopefully that transmits in the same way that I think a large reason, say, the All In podcast has become massively popular is because of that interplay. And it's fun. I always enjoy this type of banter. And we've got a lot to cover today.

00:15:24 Speaker_01
So yeah, why don't you hop in? So Addison, are you around? We have my dear friend Addison, who lives here in LA, who is a part-time semi-professional bartender mixologist. Not really, but he does that for fun.

00:15:35 Speaker_01
And he also does an AI company, part-time, called PixStudio.ai, which just came out with a new model. And you know how these AI models are changing so fast, right? Yes.

00:15:47 Speaker_01
And so I would say, when I was first messing around with this with him a while ago, it was pretty good. It was good. It was like I used it as a headshot for a couple of places, right? But you could still kind of look at it.

00:15:56 Speaker_01
If you squinted, you'd be like, mm, AI, right?

00:15:59 Speaker_00
Uncanny Valley. You'd be like, wait a second.

00:16:00 Speaker_01
So they came out with a new model. And I wanted to show you. We'll see if Adam's going to make us some drinks as well. I want to show you a couple pictures of yourself.

00:16:08 Speaker_00
Dude, this is a brand new model. Holy shit, that's insanity.

00:16:11 Speaker_01
Is that insane?

00:16:12 Speaker_00
And we'll put these up on YouTube and other places so people can see the images. That's terrifying.

00:16:17 Speaker_01
Dude, how real does that look?

00:16:18 Speaker_00
I'm looking good.

00:16:20 Speaker_01
This should be your new dating profile picture. You're a little preppy there with the cargo shorts.

00:16:26 Speaker_00
I'm a little preppy, but you know, this is like... The ocean looks nice. What's crazy is the kind of full body dimension accuracy. That's nuts.

00:16:37 Speaker_01
Yeah, he was saying that you can like use the prompt now to say like, this shirt type, or like, here's your Steve Jobs.

00:16:43 Speaker_00
So looking at these photos, I would say, even I would be like, wait a second. Did I ever take that photo? No, that's not me. That is terrifying. I know. It's terrifying. It's awesome though at the same time. It's awesome and terrifying. Yeah, so.

00:17:00 Speaker_00
And I mean, in short order, we're already seeing memes turned into videos. Yes. Right? I mean, it's gonna be. The Wild West. It already is. It's going to be crazy.

00:17:09 Speaker_01
Speaking of looking good, though. You're looking great. And I want to do your dating life update as well. Oh my. But we need a drink first. Awesome. Yeah. OK. Jesus. One job. Two jobs. AI in this. I'm just kidding. Just kidding.

00:17:25 Speaker_01
Speaking of looking good, you want to show off your new tattoo? Oh, yeah. I just got a little crane here. Jess Machete on Instagram, she's amazing, a New York-based tattoo artist.

00:17:34 Speaker_01
She's done Bruce Willis, a bunch of other really famous people in the past. I was wondering why you had Bruce Willis on your forum. Yeah, exactly. How did you choose that?

00:17:42 Speaker_01
You probably know this, but in Japanese lore, children's books and others, the crane is a symbol of, because of its length, that can span heaven and earth. And so it uses a bridge for souls to transfer between heaven and earth. I just like that lore.

00:17:56 Speaker_01
It's cool. And so I got the meditator done by her on the front of me as well. So got both, but she's insanely, insanely talented.

00:18:04 Speaker_00
Very talented. Yeah. Beautiful artwork.

00:18:06 Speaker_01
We'll link to her profile in the old show notes. So you were looking really good on Instagram and you posted that you got a vampire facial done.

00:18:16 Speaker_00
Yeah, vampire facial. Yeah, so I put up a photo which popped up on my phone. It was generated by the phone and it had, you know, today, eight years ago. And it was a photo of me from eight years ago.

00:18:28 Speaker_00
And I realized, which I more or less hoped would be the case and really pushed forward to, I was like, all right, I lost my hair pretty early.

00:18:34 Speaker_00
And then I looked older than my friends and I was like, I just need to make it like the next 10 years and train my ass off and watch my diet. And I think I'll kind of flat, line or plateau in terms of how I look. Right.

00:18:45 Speaker_00
And so the photos made it look, I think, like I had largely not aged in eight years. It looked amazing. It looked amazing.

00:18:52 Speaker_00
So I put up eight years on the Romanian vampire protocol trademark, and then I put RVP in parentheses, will do wonders for your skin. And it was a total joke on my part. Right. Unbeknownst to me, though. Well, you put, you turned off comments too.

00:19:09 Speaker_00
I turned off comments. Yeah, there's a long story behind that.

00:19:11 Speaker_01
We won't get into, but the reason that was funny is because so many, I didn't get any of the feedback giving the feedback. There is a such thing as a vampire facial and you were joking. And I looked at, I was like, Oh shit, Tim does the vampire too.

00:19:22 Speaker_01
I'm like, wow, he's been doing it for a long time. He's never told me about it. You know? So what is, what is the vampire face?

00:19:27 Speaker_01
So about a month ago now I was at the dermatologist and you know, you go in once a year and get your, all your warts and shit looked at to make sure you don't have a cancer. And I go in there and they're like, hey, you want some good shit.

00:19:38 Speaker_01
Now that I'm looking at your eyes, we were talking about crow's feet and turning them back into crow knuckles. I don't see anything. It looks good, right? Yeah, you don't even have crow knuckles. Thank you for the compliment. You're welcome.

00:19:49 Speaker_01
But I will tell you that the options they have are all of the LA shit, which I don't want to do. I don't want to get Botox on my face and shit.

00:19:57 Speaker_00
You don't want to be a lizard cat?

00:19:58 Speaker_01
Lizard cat?

00:19:59 Speaker_00
Walk among the lizard cat people. Yeah, exactly.

00:20:00 Speaker_01
I mean, it just looks horrible because, like, you can tell. Yeah, please don't. Please don't do that. But I'm sure you could get by with it for a couple of years and then you look like a plastic dude.

00:20:09 Speaker_00
So now vampire because they are taking out your blood. Yes. Spinning it. Yes. Creating something known as platelet-rich plasma. Yes.

00:20:17 Speaker_01
And you've had that done before.

00:20:18 Speaker_00
Not the facial, though. No. So tell people why you did it. Prior to The 4-Hour Body, or in the process of writing The 4-Hour Body, which is all about physical performance and modification and performance enhancement, that book was published in 2010.

00:20:32 Speaker_00
And at the time, I was using PRP because it had been used at that time for certain types of joint degeneration or orthopedic issues related to joints. So I had inter-articular joint injections in the elbows, shoulders, et cetera.

00:20:46 Speaker_01
That's not the one you got infected by, was it?

00:20:48 Speaker_00
One of them was sadly a disaster. Oh, boy. And whenever you inject anything, there's a chance that you introduce pathogens through the skin. Now, what I did not realize at the time is that this particular clinic who will remain unnamed,

00:21:05 Speaker_00
When they injected the elbow, they used the wrong injection site.

00:21:09 Speaker_00
And so they disinfected the surface level of the skin, but there are so many layers to the skin and the skin is so thick on the elbow that there were staph bacteria beneath that first disinfected area.

00:21:22 Speaker_00
The needle pushed that into the joint capsule and then within 48 hours my elbow is the size of a volleyball. Yes. And I was chatting with a doctor, a friend of mine, who this was probably 11 p.m. at night, San Francisco.

00:21:35 Speaker_01
By the way, this is 12 years ago.

00:21:37 Speaker_00
This is something like 12 years ago.

00:21:38 Speaker_01
Remember I came and visited you at the hospital?

00:21:40 Speaker_00
What was that? Oh, yeah, that's right. And. You squirted juice out of your mouth. Oh, that was gross. Yeah. So a few things happened. Number one is my very competent doctor friend said, touch your elbow. Is it hot? And I said, yes.

00:21:51 Speaker_00
And she said, you need to go to the emergency room immediately. Here's the one you should go to tell them this. And I did. And a few hours later, they're removing copious amounts of just disgusting.

00:22:03 Speaker_01
Yeah, so I'm in the room.

00:22:04 Speaker_00
Monster fluid.

00:22:05 Speaker_01
You hit me up and you're like, I'm in the emergency room or whatever. I've got this infection or whatever. And I'm like, I should go check in on Tim. I go down there. And I was, I want to say, didn't some of it squirt against the wall?

00:22:16 Speaker_00
There was a syringe full of all this disgusting juice.

00:22:19 Speaker_01
And so I squirted it at you like a turkey baster. Oh, thank you so much, sir. Thank you very much. This looks amazing. Thanks brother. Awesome. What is this?

00:22:33 Speaker_00
Tequila martini. Cheers.

00:22:34 Speaker_01
Cheers, brother. This is your tequila, too, that you invested in. Oh, yeah. Lalo tequila. Check it out.

00:22:40 Speaker_00
Only alcohol brand I've ever invested in.

00:22:41 Speaker_01
Thank you. So yeah, you squirted staph infection at me, you fucker. I did. Looking back at that, I'm like, that was a pretty dick thing to do.

00:22:53 Speaker_00
But we were laughing at that. I wasn't going to get you in the eyes. I wasn't going to Phantom of the Opera you. But PRP. Damn, this is a good drink. It is a great drink. So PRP, to be clear, number one, it's your own blood. Yes.

00:23:05 Speaker_00
Number two, it can be, in some instances, really, really effective for orthopedic issues. But there's quite a bit of published literature, so you can look it up. But I was unfamiliar with the applications to the vampire facial.

00:23:19 Speaker_01
So I go in, they draw about three vials of blood, they spin it, they come back with something that looks like grape juice in the vials.

00:23:25 Speaker_01
And then they take a micro-needling kind of like, it almost looks like some type of automatic toothbrush or tattoo gun almost. And then they go across your face. Pepper your skin.

00:23:36 Speaker_01
Pepper all these little tiny micro holes, and then they lather it with all the PRP. And then you go home and you're a little bruised up and stuff like that. And then a week later, some of the lines just start to get reduced.

00:23:47 Speaker_01
Yeah, I'm actually kind of shocked looking at your beautiful baby eyes. Thank you. They're going to do four of them in total. I had to get the package. You save, save some money. You got like 20% off. It was a good package.

00:23:58 Speaker_01
So, you know, it's like for me, I'm like, dude, I'm fine getting old. If anyone's listening to this and be like, oh, they're being too vain or whatever. I'm fine with that. I don't care if I get wrinkles on that.

00:24:06 Speaker_01
That said, yeah, a couple more years of like, just like looking okay. It's like, doesn't hurt anybody. It's natural, it's my own shit, you know?

00:24:13 Speaker_00
Yeah, totally. I don't know.

00:24:15 Speaker_01
Helps with the dating life, to begin with.

00:24:17 Speaker_00
Helps with the dating life. Well, yeah, modern dating, you know, we don't have to spend a lot of time on it.

00:24:22 Speaker_01
For a little bit, though. Tell me, what is it like on the other side?

00:24:24 Speaker_00
What's it like on the other side?

00:24:25 Speaker_01
Yeah, you went to Paris.

00:24:28 Speaker_00
Well, I went to Paris. How was that? And actually, I want to give them a shout out. I stayed at – All the women in Paris? No, not all the women in Paris. I went to an artist's commune effectively or utopian community.

00:24:40 Speaker_00
They might not like these descriptions. Like a den. Well, it's an old chateau called Fatopia.

00:24:47 Speaker_01
Like in that Monty Python and the Holy Grail, where that guy gets stuck in that, do you know what I'm talking about, where he gets stuck in the castle and they're all like, we are all but 20 to 30-year-old women. Do you know what I'm talking about?

00:24:56 Speaker_01
And he's stuck in there.

00:24:58 Speaker_00
Yeah, I mean, that was the hope. But it was a broader spectrum of participants. And I have really been making an effort, and I think there's a religious war afoot, which is, well, there are many religious wars, right?

00:25:11 Speaker_00
There's like sleep training versus attachment style parenting. People love factions and fighting. Another one is, and I've been thinking about writing a blog post about this, let's just call it romance versus radical planning.

00:25:24 Speaker_00
So when I talk about some of the more systematic ways that I'm approaching dating, What some people will say is that's so unromantic, to which I usually reply now, what does romantic mean?

00:25:35 Speaker_00
Walk me through what a week of taking a romantic approach would look like. Interesting. Usually they don't have an answer. What they mean is serendipity, look, et cetera. Right. Exactly.

00:25:43 Speaker_00
And I am providing space for that, like going to Paris or outside of Paris to something like Fatobia, which was an amazing experience.

00:25:52 Speaker_00
But I think also if you are, let's just say, I'll think this out loud, if you're in college or if you're in a company and you're right out of college, there's a lot of natural inbuilt serendipity. Or if you live in a place like Manhattan.

00:26:09 Speaker_01
Yeah. A lot of people are single around your age. Right.

00:26:12 Speaker_00
Exactly.

00:26:12 Speaker_01
Around your age. Around your age. You do social meetups all the time. You don't have things to do at night. You don't have kids yet.

00:26:17 Speaker_00
Exactly. So there's a lot of space for serendipity. Let's just say you already have inbuilt 30, 50, 60% serendipity, where if you want to meet literally a hundred plus new people a month, it's very easy.

00:26:29 Speaker_00
As you get older, as your friends, all due respect, beautiful face aside, age out basically.

00:26:36 Speaker_00
They're not going to be making introductions to maybe women who are in the age range I would be aiming for because I would like to have a few kids biologically. Yeah, so you're dipping down a little bit. Yeah, yeah, right. 20s. I mean, look, I'm sure.

00:26:51 Speaker_00
I mean, maybe in the 28 to 35 range. All right. Right, somewhere in there.

00:26:55 Speaker_01
36, you'd be like, all right, maybe.

00:26:57 Speaker_00
I want somebody who's very ready, excited to build a family, also has a good sense of their own identity, feels confident in being good at having developed skills or passions in certain areas. I want them to feel confident.

00:27:14 Speaker_00
very happy with what they've done. So they don't have say resentment later if you feel like they've given up everything as it was just getting started.

00:27:20 Speaker_01
It's a great point. So you want someone that's kind of like, they've probably even established a career at this point that that's what they've chosen to do. They're like, they're confident who they are. They're like, okay, I'm, you know, mid thirties.

00:27:30 Speaker_01
I'm thinking about kids in the next couple of years, like that kind of situation. Yeah, exactly.

00:27:34 Speaker_00
But I've realized, for instance, except gone on a few dates with lawyers or doctors in those age ranges, they've been through so much schooling, they're just getting out of the gate and starting to get traction.

00:27:46 Speaker_00
So it's very hard, I think, for a woman in that position to think about having kids in the next three years. Right. Very hard. Right. After so much investment in their education and career and so on. So it's been a learning process.

00:27:59 Speaker_00
I've met a lot of amazing people. I think that, frankly, if I want to really double and triple down, I just have to spend a bunch of time in a few major cities.

00:28:09 Speaker_01
What's the biggest turnoff for you when you sit down on a date and somebody says something or does something? Like, what's your number one like, eh, this ain't gonna work?

00:28:17 Speaker_00
Well, there are a lot of little things, but I think most people would find these irritating, right? If someone's late repeatedly and they don't let you know until the time you're supposed to meet, that's just- I'm a very punctual person.

00:28:31 Speaker_01
That's just not being an adult, right?

00:28:32 Speaker_00
And I want to be with an adult who is responsible. If we're going to build a family together, I need to know you have your shit together.

00:28:39 Speaker_01
Interesting. Yeah, that's fair. I feel the same way. Even with like a buddy, if I'm running five minutes late, I'm like, hey, right around the corner, blah, blah, blah.

00:28:45 Speaker_00
Yeah, and if someone's repeatedly late, it means they probably haven't operated in higher stress situations or environments. you get punished for that, right? Yeah. It doesn't work. So that'd be one.

00:29:01 Speaker_00
And also, I would say that for me, I'm looking for someone who is a complement, not a duplicate, right? I'm not like Tim Ferriss with long hair is my ultimate nightmare. Like I don't need to date that person. Right, right, right.

00:29:14 Speaker_00
No, we'd kill each other. Yeah. So that varies person to person. But for me, that means someone, let's just say you have a spectrum, like a slider in the middle. This is my working theory. It seems to hold up.

00:29:28 Speaker_00
So if you had a slider in the middle, you have this, let's just call it perfect androgyny. And we won't stumble over the terms. If you want exact definitions, just choose your own.

00:29:36 Speaker_00
But let's just say it's perfect 50-50 feminine masculine characteristics. And then as you move out in either direction, you kind of have 100% masculine, 100% feminine. Yes.

00:29:46 Speaker_01
I think good matches… Don't tell me you want 50-50. I think that's bullshit.

00:29:50 Speaker_00
No, no. I don't want 50-50. What I've seen in couples that really, really work well is they tend to be equally distant from the center. Oh, interesting. And by the way, that's not a gendered thing.

00:30:00 Speaker_00
Like you could have, for instance, I know couples where like the male is really playful A, B, and C has characteristics that might be traditionally defined as feminine. Wife is like COO, runs the ship. That's fine. Yeah.

00:30:13 Speaker_00
But they're equally distant from that center point. Right. And that equivalent polarity seems to work.

00:30:21 Speaker_01
That is fascinating because I've had this conversation where I find that if you are so in the center and you're like 50, 50, and no one is stepping up to be either masculine or feminine in a traditional kind of like male, female role that we're talking about here, obviously there's so many other ones out there.

00:30:38 Speaker_01
It's very confusing because you're like, well, either, you do something or I need to do something, but it's like, what is this like, this kind of like boring middle?

00:30:47 Speaker_00
Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, totally. I mean, I think if you look at primates, you look at humans, it's like we like to know sort of where we stand or like what we're supposed to do. What is our job?

00:30:59 Speaker_00
And so I think that can take a lot of different forms. Like, let's take gender out of it. Like, even within a company, right? Like, if it's a pure, flat meritocracy, no job titles, if things get amorphous, it's going to be very confusing.

00:31:14 Speaker_00
A hundred percent. So I do think there's a comfort that can come that is hard to put words to with matched polarity. Yeah. Which, again, is not a gendered thing. It's more like a constellation of characteristics.

00:31:31 Speaker_00
Just a quick thanks to one of our sponsors, and we'll be right back to the show. This episode is brought to you by Wealthfront. There is a lot happening in the US and global economies right now, a lot. That's an understatement. Are we in a recession?

00:31:44 Speaker_00
Is it a bear market? What's going to happen with inflation? So many questions, so few answers. I can't tell the future, nobody can, but I can tell you about a great place to earn more on your savings, and that's Wealthfront.

00:31:56 Speaker_00
Wealthfront is an app that helps you save and invest your money. And right now you can earn 5% APY, that's the annual percentage yield, with the Wealthfront Cash Account.

00:32:04 Speaker_00
That's more than 10 times more interest than if you left your money in a savings account at the average bank, according to FDIC.gov. So why wait? Earn 5% on your cash today. Plus, it's up to $8 million in FDIC insurance through partner banks.

00:32:18 Speaker_00
And when you open an account today, you'll get an extra $50 bonus with a deposit of $500 or more. There are already nearly half a million people using Wealthfront to save more, earn more, and build long-term wealth. So why wait?

00:32:31 Speaker_00
Visit Wealthfront.com slash Tim to get started. That's Wealthfront.com slash Tim. This was a paid endorsement by Wealthfront.

00:32:43 Speaker_01
Should we shift gears a little bit? Yeah, let's do it.

00:32:45 Speaker_00
Thank God. Get me off the hot seat.

00:32:46 Speaker_01
Yeah, I was going to ask how the Paris dating scene was.

00:32:49 Speaker_00
So I want to make a couple of recommendations. Yes, please. Do you know who Bobby Fingers is? Sounds familiar. Always a safe thing to say. I think I've heard of him. Tell me more.

00:33:01 Speaker_00
So Bobby Fingers is one of my favorite discoveries on YouTube of the last decade. And he is one of the most unbelievably skilled artists, craftsmen, sculptor, polymaths. He's also hilarious and his writing is incredible.

00:33:22 Speaker_00
He's a performer and makes the most bizarre shit you've ever seen in your life. So they're like 10 to 30 minute long descriptions of him making something beautiful and then like hiding it by burying it somewhere.

00:33:35 Speaker_00
And there's one of the, let's say the scene with Michael Jackson where his hair catches on fire, and it's him building this entire diorama. There's one of the Mel Gibson DUI stop from way back in the day.

00:33:47 Speaker_00
And I would say that if you want to see something that I think is pure genius.

00:33:53 Speaker_01
So is this a video or what is this exactly?

00:33:55 Speaker_00
Yeah, it's a video channel. So if you go to Bobby Fingers, at Bobby Fingers on YouTube, you can find them on Patreon as well, patreon.com slash bobbyfingers.

00:34:04 Speaker_00
youtube.com slash at Bobby fingers and This guy should have in my opinion hundreds of millions of views What's he at now? Is it like bigger?

00:34:14 Speaker_00
I mean, for what he's doing, I think it is so hard to categorize that it hasn't had as much spread as it deserves.

00:34:21 Speaker_01
195,000 followers, still decent.

00:34:23 Speaker_00
Oh, he's doing well. But I really feel a moral, maybe amoral slash immoral obligation to recommend people go check this out.

00:34:31 Speaker_01
Oh, this is amazing.

00:34:31 Speaker_00
There will be plenty to offend everyone, but it is so genius. And unlike anything I've ever seen in my life, I strongly recommend people check it out.

00:34:40 Speaker_00
Two of my favorites, there are many good ones, but I would say Michael Jackson or Mel Gibson are great places to start. That's awesome. All right.

00:34:47 Speaker_01
I will check that out. Have you, by the way, were you doing a Zimbic in this shot or?

00:34:50 Speaker_00
Oh, wow. Look at that. I'm so glad AI shaved my chest for me too. I am looking good. Dude, that is legit. I mean, that is if you were 007. I mean, honestly, what's crazy to me about that. Is how much you actually look like that? How much?

00:35:05 Speaker_00
how great I look in those Speedos. But separately is the lighting. Yeah. It looks real. It's really... Makes you want to go back to the gym. I mean, why go to the gym when I can just put that out? Yeah, exactly. Actually, I've been training.

00:35:20 Speaker_00
I've been training very hard recently and feeling very good. I'm not taking a Zempik, but I have been using a few different tools that I thought people might find interesting.

00:35:31 Speaker_00
So one, which was recommended to me by a two-time silver medalist in Olympic archery, Jake Kaminsky. I would also recommend people check out his channel if you want to learn anything about archery, especially recurve.

00:35:45 Speaker_00
He is amazing, both as a performer, proven performer, but as a teacher. So Jake Kaminsky, with a bunch of I's, Kaminsky, he recommended the Outdoorsman Atlas Trainer Frame System. So what is this? I'll tell you the problem it solves.

00:36:00 Speaker_00
So I own a bunch of rucking sacks. So these are backpacks with weights in them. And there are a few issues with the sacks that I've owned to date. One is that they're usually a set weight. You can swap out these huge square plates.

00:36:16 Speaker_00
Secondly, they don't necessarily have a waist or kidney belt. So the weight is on your shoulders and not also shared on your hips. Right. And this particular system is effectively a frame hiking backpack that's very well constructed.

00:36:32 Speaker_00
And it has plate loading on your back. So you can put Olympic plates on it. So any weight plates you might have in a gym or that you might buy at Dick's Sporting Goods or whatever that you could use for a barbell, you can slap onto this thing.

00:36:45 Speaker_00
That's amazing. So you can adjust it in amazing increments and then use progressive resistance.

00:36:51 Speaker_01
Now, do you want more weight on your hips? I know, I know for like, don't get me wrong, like obviously like long-term 50 mile hikes or whatever, we want to get the weight onto the hips.

00:36:59 Speaker_01
You know, I got my DEXA scan done, which I'm sure you've done before. Low radiation calculates all different types of muscle and fat types and bone density. My bone density is going down. Yeah, me too.

00:37:09 Speaker_01
And one of the things that Atiyah told me and his staff was like, Rucking, get weight on the bones so that you can like, you know, maintain that bone density. Why throw it on the hips when I leave it on the shoulders?

00:37:23 Speaker_00
All right. So there are a few reasons for that.

00:37:24 Speaker_00
The first is, and we've talked about this a lot on this show and offline too, I've had, it's improved dramatically, but for the last two years, I mean, I've been plagued by incredibly painful, chronic low back pain.

00:37:35 Speaker_00
You've had back issues for a long time, dude. Especially the last two years. to the point where there have been moments, say, a year, year and a half ago where I couldn't stand or sit for more than five minutes.

00:37:45 Speaker_01
That's right. You were carrying around that little ball or something that you put behind your back. Wasn't there something you had?

00:37:49 Speaker_00
Yeah, I still have that for really uncomfortable seats if I have to be on, say, a plane for a few hours or something like that. I use a little Pilates ball, which you can fold up and stick in your pocket. It's actually great for lumbar support.

00:37:58 Speaker_00
But the point is, I am specifically training for a hunt that I have at the end of this month. I do not hunt often. The first hunt I ever did was for the 4-Hour Chef long ago. That was 2012, but I would have done it probably 2010 or 2011.

00:38:15 Speaker_00
And I just feel very good about sourcing ethical, clean meat with wild harvesting. And in this case, it's an elk hunt. I've done exclusively bow for probably close to 10 years now.

00:38:27 Speaker_00
But part of that, well, some of the endangered species stuff you do, though, I just don't get behind. For some reason, I just- I know, I don't know why you sent back my snow leopard pancakes.

00:38:35 Speaker_01
Yeah, exactly.

00:38:36 Speaker_00
No, in this case, you do it the right way. You get tags, everything is wildlife management. But if you're going to do that, you're gonna be at high altitude. You're going to be, in this case, it's called bivy hunting. I'm gonna be carrying everything.

00:38:48 Speaker_00
How do you have so many flies in your pristine- It's one fly, it's Southern California. recording studio, in any case. It likes you. I know. Love you too, Fly. So you're going to be carrying basically your camp with you every day.

00:39:01 Speaker_00
And that's probably going to be between 9 and 12,000 feet above sea level. And then if you harvest an animal, you're going to be field dressing it, breaking it down into pieces, and you might be carrying an additional 50 pounds.

00:39:12 Speaker_00
You don't want all that on your shoulders. That would also be a very bad idea for me. Not that you would do it anyway in that circumstance. to load that on my shoulders, which would place a lot of that on my lower back, which is compromised.

00:39:23 Speaker_00
I have some pathological issues with my low back and my SI joint. So I shift a lot of it to the hips. You are taking some of it on the shoulders.

00:39:32 Speaker_01
You have any meat sherpas or anything that go with you?

00:39:35 Speaker_00
I think we might have one or two people who are there just to be part of the trip and might help with carrying, but you have to keep in mind, like if you take down a larger bull elk, you might have, I mean, hundreds of pounds of meat.

00:39:46 Speaker_00
How do you keep that meat fresh? Salt? There's a number of different, no, number of different ways you might approach it. Given the time of year and the elevation, it's going to get pretty cold.

00:39:56 Speaker_00
So a lot of folks first would hang the meat as their sort of, deconstructing the animal in the field and let it cool down. Then you put it into meat bags, which look like big socks effectively.

00:40:10 Speaker_00
And then how they're going to actually protect that at camp or how they'll place it, et cetera, remains to be seen. I am always going out with people who are effectively professional outdoorsmen who make, I'm always the slow fat kid, always.

00:40:23 Speaker_00
So part of the reason I'm trading my ass off is to not completely embarrass the person who invited me. That's going to be awesome though. That sounds fun. Yeah, it's great.

00:40:32 Speaker_00
So I'm doing a lot of rucking, also doing a lot of training on activating, say, glute medius, piriformis, hip internal and external rotators.

00:40:42 Speaker_00
And the more I do that, the less the obliques and other muscles turn on to compensate and stabilize the low back and the less low back pain I have. So that's been another big thing. breakthrough in terms of the low back issues.

00:40:55 Speaker_00
But honestly, if you do some rocking, maybe some kettlebell swings once or twice a week, some pushups and some core work, you're done. Like you're really hitting everything.

00:41:04 Speaker_01
Yeah. I love rucking. Rucking has been kind of my three to five days a week, four miles each time with elevation. And it's just like you just in an hour and a half. Oh, we got a new refill coming in hot. What is this?

00:41:18 Speaker_03
Okay. Sorry. I know you like tequila, but I'm sorry to pause.

00:41:22 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:41:24 Speaker_03
This is called a Fairbanks.

00:41:27 Speaker_01
Fairbanks. What's in it?

00:41:29 Speaker_03
Apricot liqueur.

00:41:29 Speaker_01
Oh, this is one of your favorites.

00:41:30 Speaker_03
I know this one.

00:41:32 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:41:33 Speaker_03
Bitters and rye whiskey.

00:41:35 Speaker_01
Rye, apricot liqueur, and thank you. Bitters and rye whiskey. Oh, yeah. Appreciate that. Cheers. Got to do some other stuff. Exactly.

00:41:44 Speaker_00
Tim has a board of flight after this. Here we go.

00:41:47 Speaker_01
Fireball shots.

00:41:49 Speaker_00
Cheers, Kevin.

00:41:50 Speaker_01
Cheers. I want to watch the action. There we go. Reaction shot. This is one of his favorite drinks to make.

00:42:00 Speaker_00
It's not too sweet. Isn't that good? And it has the fancy ice cubes too. Yeah. Spirit forward. It's in my dating bio.

00:42:09 Speaker_01
Exactly. So Paris, tell me, tell me what they look like. Cause they got a good fashion sense.

00:42:16 Speaker_00
Well, you know, part of what I was interested to see, I spent almost eight weeks in Europe, was how does dating differ in different places in Europe? They're a little softer out there, though. You like that. No, not necessarily. Not necessarily. No?

00:42:27 Speaker_00
So, it varies tremendously by country, I would say. And of course, there's a huge range within each country. But say in dating in France is very different from dating in Madrid, which is very different from dating in other places.

00:42:39 Speaker_00
It really varies tremendously.

00:42:42 Speaker_00
But part of what I'm hoping for is finding someone, and these women exist, but a lot of women, understandably, for a million reasons, feel very conflicted and are put in, I think, a difficult position, frankly, when thinking about career, kids, basically trying to do...

00:43:00 Speaker_00
more than any person in history had to do before 50 years ago.

00:43:05 Speaker_01
All right, let's not go back into this.

00:43:06 Speaker_00
No, I'm just saying that. No, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, it's very challenging. So what I want to get a real clear signal on is that somebody is excited to be a mom in the same way that I'm excited to be a dad.

00:43:17 Speaker_00
and that it's not, well, all my friends are getting married, I guess this is what you do, even though I'm gonna make all these compromises and might resent it later. I don't want to subject a kid to that potential risk, right?

00:43:30 Speaker_01
That's wise of you.

00:43:31 Speaker_00
Yeah, so that's what I'm looking for. But it's not, there isn't some Garden of Eden where you magically just walk down Whole Foods and pick up a woman like that. but there are some significant cultural differences from place to place. Yeah. All right.

00:43:46 Speaker_00
Yeah. Let's, let's move on.

00:43:47 Speaker_01
All right. So I have a gift for you. I have a gift. What kind of you? Oh, wow. This is called a Fino. This is my buddy's a new startup. Okay. And in the self-experimenting kind of crazy vein of things.

00:44:00 Speaker_00
All right.

00:44:01 Speaker_01
I want to show you this now.

00:44:02 Speaker_00
Fino, F-E-N-O.

00:44:03 Speaker_01
Yeah. So this is, okay, this is a beta. Yeah. Okay. So you can't laugh at me because remember you're going to be doing this by yourself. Okay. It's not like a flashlight or anything. Okay.

00:44:14 Speaker_01
So this is a medically proven way to brush your entire mouth in 20 seconds. Wow.

00:44:21 Speaker_00
Okay.

00:44:22 Speaker_01
So, so watch this.

00:44:24 Speaker_00
Oh, wow. You're going to try it.

00:44:25 Speaker_01
Yeah. I'm gonna take a little of this here. You put a little foam in here. And so there's this, they have this little app that custom creates a mold. I asked you to buy this from an ad on porn hub. So this is going to look a little mouth aggressive. Okay.

00:44:44 Speaker_00
So if you're watching the video- Spirit forward, mouth aggressive. That's also my bio.

00:44:48 Speaker_01
Exactly.

00:44:48 Speaker_01
So what you do is that this was created by a couple of founders that, you know, obviously were, one of them was a dentist and they figured out that, you know, compliance is really hard with people that say, everyone says they floss, they don't, you know, like I do, but do you floss?

00:45:01 Speaker_00
Oh, like seven times a day.

00:45:04 Speaker_01
So, so check this out. So I'm put this in my mouth and this is going to wrap around both sides.

00:45:08 Speaker_00
How are you going to, how are you going to rinse that? I don't know. All right. Let's see. Let's see. It's going to be good.

00:45:32 Speaker_01
I couldn't stop it. Holy shit.

00:45:35 Speaker_00
I know what you're thinking. You definitely bought that on Pornhub.

00:45:42 Speaker_01
No, I did not. But it works surprisingly well. I'll try it. I got one for you. Thank you. I got to say that I do love it has sensors in there.

00:45:52 Speaker_00
I bet it does.

00:45:53 Speaker_01
You're doing it by yourself. So you don't look like you're getting mouth rinsed every time.

00:45:56 Speaker_00
I can see you winking. I can see you winking.

00:45:59 Speaker_01
It is aggressive, but I will say that it does a very good job cleaning.

00:46:04 Speaker_00
Aggressive but effective.

00:46:05 Speaker_01
Aggressive but effective. And it's 20 seconds, which is great. They have sensors that actually scan your gums, look at gum health, and can send it back to your doctor. What?

00:46:13 Speaker_00
On that device?

00:46:13 Speaker_01
On the device, built into the device. Okay. And so that your doctor can actually see recession and like things that are happening with your gums. So it's like a very tech forward device.

00:46:21 Speaker_00
It's great. You know, I had my first real surgery was when I was a kid for receding gingiva. I actually had a huge piece of my upper, well I guess it's your only, palate removed and grafted onto my lower gums.

00:46:34 Speaker_01
Like sugar and shit? Like what were you doing?

00:46:35 Speaker_00
No, no, no, it's just genetic. Like my gums were receding when I was a kid. I don't know how old I was, maybe 12, something like that. That's brutal. That's the first time I've ever done that.

00:46:44 Speaker_01
That was, uh, oh, vigorous. Yeah. It's, uh, it's like, it's like, uh, I'm so upset that I did not video that from this direction.

00:46:56 Speaker_00
That's the slow-mo. We need that slow-mo intro to the episode.

00:47:01 Speaker_01
Listen, Hey, you know, what's funny is like when I was putting together these stories for the random show, I'm like, I love if you look back historically at all the years we've been doing this episode, we've had some of the most craziest, stupidest shit and talked about the dumbest stuff.

00:47:14 Speaker_01
I mean, we already today talked about you squirting your freaking infectious fluid, my body, like we've done some weird shit. And so I always try and like to find stuff. I mean, this is like both cool.

00:47:24 Speaker_00
Every once in a while, one of those things, five years later, look at that. Exactly.

00:47:28 Speaker_01
Yeah, exactly. Remember, dude, I talked about Ethereum for the first time on the show, before it launched.

00:47:33 Speaker_00
When was that? That was, God, that was a long time ago. That was when I was still living in my first place in San Francisco.

00:47:39 Speaker_01
I watched the clip and I'm like, oh, there's this one cryptocurrency. Yeah, you should do it. And you're like, no, no, no, tell me, tell me. And I'm like, well, it hasn't launched yet. You're like, what is it? I'm like, well, it's called Ethereum.

00:47:46 Speaker_00
When was that? That was like 20, it had to be like 2014 or something. I mean, it was way back then. It was way back in the day. I remember exactly where we were sitting by the fireplace in my first rental. In San Francisco. That's a cool spot. Yeah.

00:48:00 Speaker_01
All right, your turn.

00:48:01 Speaker_00
What do you got? My turn. I would say that I can't say too much about it. You're going to hate that.

00:48:09 Speaker_01
We never asked what your book was about, but anyway.

00:48:11 Speaker_00
I can't really. I know you never talk about that shit. I'll talk about a superstition that may actually have something to it. So I, as well as a handful of other authors I know really well who've written a lot of books,

00:48:22 Speaker_00
feel like there is such a thing as let's call it mimetic release and what I mean by that is

00:48:30 Speaker_00
I think it's fairly frequently observed that you'll have some, as an example, intractable scientific problem or some scientific problem that researchers around the world are grappling with.

00:48:44 Speaker_00
And there's almost no apparent major progress made for years and years and years. And then within the same two-week period, people in all these different locations suddenly make breakthroughs. What is happening there?

00:48:56 Speaker_00
And what I have observed, and again, this is getting into maybe what people would consider magical thinking, but I can't explain it. It doesn't mean there isn't an explanation.

00:49:05 Speaker_00
When people talk about ideas, that idea seems to suddenly pop up in a lot of other places. Now, you could make the argument that that's maybe expectancy bias, right? You buy a, if you buy a Hyundai. It's a red Hyundai. All you see is red Hyundais.

00:49:18 Speaker_00
All you see is red Hyundais, right? So there could be an element of that. But there seems to be more to it, which is part of the reason why I don't talk about the key core concepts in a book before I release something.

00:49:31 Speaker_00
But I will say in terms of progress, in case anybody's wondering, I have probably 500 to 600 pages drafted. Oh, shit. It's a big book. Got a lot. Yeah, I mean, all my books are phone books. And that is going to get cut down probably.

00:49:43 Speaker_00
Well, actually, it's probably going to get to like 800 and then it'll get cut down to like 500 or 400.

00:49:47 Speaker_01
Did you use any AI in crafting this? I did not.

00:49:51 Speaker_00
Nothing? Not yet. Okay. Not yet.

00:49:53 Speaker_01
Will you apply that to some of the chapters?

00:49:56 Speaker_00
I might apply it in combination with test readers looking for gaps in the material. Basically use AI as a critic. Right. And try to find gaps that would be ultimately helpful to mainstream or a larger audience of readers. I could see using it that way.

00:50:15 Speaker_01
I did a really cool thing the other day where I took a creative custom chat GPT and I uploaded, I went back and I looked at every single book that Warren Buffett had ever recommended. Okay. The intelligent investor, like all these, right?

00:50:30 Speaker_01
And I found the PDFs from them all, because they're like, you can just Google them, they're there. And I upload them all to the chat GPT. And I said, you're my investment advisor. What should I do in this particular situation?

00:50:41 Speaker_01
And I'm asking questions of this custom saved chat GPT based on all of Buffett's favorite books.

00:50:46 Speaker_00
It's freaking fascinating, dude. You know, you could probably also do is take all of his annual letters.

00:50:50 Speaker_01
Oh yeah, 100%. I have that. There's a book about his annual letters that I uploaded into it.

00:50:54 Speaker_00
The green cover. Yeah, they're in there. So that's so cool. So what happened?

00:50:58 Speaker_01
Well, I just got some insights. Like I was asking like, yeah, it turns out index funds is all it says back to me. It's like you idiot. Stop. Don't outsmart yourself. Yeah.

00:51:08 Speaker_01
But I mean, there's very specific questions you have around, you know, timing of markets or not, not that I didn't ask that particular question, but like, you know, things around the markets where you're like, okay, how do you feel about our current state when,

00:51:20 Speaker_01
We think the Fed is going to cut rates over the next 12 months. What do you think about bonds? Blah, blah, blah. And it just spits back very intelligent responses based on historic data, which I find is just like, I mean, that is so cool.

00:51:32 Speaker_01
It's really cool. Anyway, I'm excited for your book. When will it launch, though? When are we talking? I mean, you're 500, 600 pages in.

00:51:39 Speaker_00
So I've been thinking about a few different options. One is doing it the way that I have done it in the past, which is to release it all at once, as a book launch. There will definitely be some new experimental wrinkles to that, no matter what.

00:51:54 Speaker_00
Traditional publisher? Because before, you did Amazon once, you did... Well, I did Amazon Publishing, which at that time, you could consider a traditional publisher. So in structure, it was very similar.

00:52:03 Speaker_00
They just had the distribution advantage of Amazon. This time around, we'll see. I mean, I could very easily see doing ebook audio on my own or through an Amazon platform. Interesting.

00:52:15 Speaker_00
And then possibly doing a print only deal or doing print on demand, frankly, like the quality print on demand has improved so much. It's insane. Yes. It's absolutely perfectly sufficient.

00:52:25 Speaker_01
Dude, I was at Ryan Holiday's. I went to his bookstore outside of Austin, which is amazing. Painted Porch. It's a great, great bookstore. he has the best bookstore.

00:52:32 Speaker_00
What a life.

00:52:33 Speaker_01
I love him. He's such a good dude. I went to his bookstore and- Beautiful.

00:52:36 Speaker_00
It's such a beautifully curated art project that is driven by him. If you want to see sort of a new manifestation of the best of old school bookstores, visit Painted Porch.

00:52:50 Speaker_01
Yeah. And it's like about a half hour to 40 minute drive outside of Austin. He's got cats walking around there. It's all of his favorite books. He even has cats. Yeah. There's even cats for the cat lovers.

00:53:02 Speaker_01
But the thing I would say that was really cool is that he actually had his books printed like higher end versions of his books, like leather bound, like super high end versions that he had done that were just insane quality.

00:53:14 Speaker_00
Yeah. Beautiful.

00:53:14 Speaker_01
Like, and those are kind of like, as you need them, like kind of like on demand, you know? It's amazing.

00:53:18 Speaker_00
There's a bit of a trivia for folks. Well, I'll give trivia on trivia. So trivia, tri-via, wreath, three roads. It's actually these little tchotchkes that travelers would put down for good luck on their path at intersections of paths.

00:53:31 Speaker_00
So that's where trivia comes from. But separately, The painted porch refers to Stoicism, which comes from the Greek stoa, because early iterations of the philosophical tenets of Stoicism were taught in this open-air porched area.

00:53:50 Speaker_00
So that is why his bookstore is called The Painted Porch.

00:53:53 Speaker_01
We got a 14-year-old toaster almost 14 years.

00:53:56 Speaker_00
You were saying he's totally deaf, but he still remembers me.

00:53:59 Speaker_01
He came up and licked my face. You know what he did? He's done courses of rapamycin. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So I put him on it a few years ago. And? And it seems to be working. I mean, dude, you see him. He's moving around great. He's almost 14. I know.

00:54:11 Speaker_00
This brings back so many memories. I mean, back way, way back in the day, I'm looking at Daria. Hi, Daria. I remember recording on your couch. This was back still in dig days. Yeah.

00:54:22 Speaker_00
And toaster is a little pupper and he was chewing on the XLR cables and almost killed our podcast and killed himself. And here he is all these years later, wagging his tail.

00:54:32 Speaker_01
Yeah. I caught him like halfway through one time, a, an actual full like voltage cable and it's just like, yeah, it was, it was horrible.

00:54:41 Speaker_00
We've probably talked about before, but people can check out, I'm not sure what this current status is, but the dog aging project, I did a podcast with Matt Cabral. Yeah.

00:54:48 Speaker_01
University of Washington, you and I both support that funding wise to fund that and power that study.

00:54:53 Speaker_00
Yep.

00:54:54 Speaker_01
Yeah. So did Peter Tia. So did Brian Armstrong from Coinbase. Like we all kind of chipped in to see what would happen.

00:55:02 Speaker_00
Really, really, really fascinating work. So people who are interested in rapamycin for potential longevity applications can take a look at that. I did an interview separately with Matt Caperlin, which I really, really enjoyed. What else do you have?

00:55:15 Speaker_01
I have one quick update, one just for, for people to check out. So original love, Henry Shookman's new book, who is my Zen master. Got to give him a plug. He's such an awesome.

00:55:23 Speaker_04
He's a great guy.

00:55:24 Speaker_01
And, uh, uh, his, his app, the way fantastic meditation app, you and I are both investors in. I always want to give Henry some love because he's such a good soul.

00:55:33 Speaker_00
You did some X, so that's called original original love. Yeah. All right. You did some training recently and you sent me the schedule, the daily schedule. What did your daily schedule look like and how long did it last?

00:55:44 Speaker_01
So I went to a five day silent meditation retreat with his master, who is the head of the Zen sect out of Japan, flew in for this into Santa Fe, New Mexico.

00:55:54 Speaker_01
And so I will tell you when you sit with Henry and you do, I've done a seven day silent retreat with him in the past. If it's just Mountain Cloud Zen Center, which is his Zen Center, it's probably four hours of sitting a day.

00:56:06 Speaker_01
And then there's like, you know, walking meditation and a stretching thing. Like when the Zen master's there, like when the guy from Japan's there, like it's like legit, it's hell week for meditation.

00:56:17 Speaker_01
So I was up at 5am every morning and I didn't get to bed till probably like released at like eight 30 and I was sitting for most of the day.

00:56:24 Speaker_00
So one thing I wanted to ask you about, because I saw it in there, there's a lot of sitting meditation.

00:56:29 Speaker_00
I'm like, okay, that sounds uncomfortable doing that for eight hours a day, which, you know, I tried once people who want to read about my like complete and fasting for like six days. Yeah. People want to read about my self inflicted implosion.

00:56:40 Speaker_00
That's in a separate interview. But the chanting before mealtime, what's the story here?

00:56:48 Speaker_01
In Zen traditional monasteries and whatnot, where they have actual monks, there is a lot of, it's only like 10 minutes. It's just kind of reciting.

00:56:57 Speaker_00
Try chanting for 10 minutes, tell me it's only.

00:56:58 Speaker_01
No, but it's just like reciting a lot of the precepts and a lot of like- Is it in English? Japanese? Sometimes it's in Japanese, sometimes it's in English, depending on who's running it. Do you have a little like psalm book that you read from?

00:57:09 Speaker_00
Yes.

00:57:10 Speaker_01
Okay. It's when it's in Japanese, 100%. I don't even know what I'm saying. I could be like large Donkey Kong. Yeah McDonald's doggy garbage bag.

00:57:19 Speaker_01
Yeah, so triceratops It's quite nice It's just like a way to kind of like in cap a set, you know And then and then moving so good after being totally silent.

00:57:30 Speaker_00
Oh my god, just to like hear some voices.

00:57:33 Speaker_01
I know I went out afterwards cause I was waiting for my plane to fly out. And I went to this place cause Santa Fe is known for their like chilies, like they're good chilies. And I had like, cause like you eat vegetarian food the entire week.

00:57:45 Speaker_01
I was immediately wondering how'd that go for you? Oh dude, I went straight to a double chili burger and a large IPA, like straight up the gate.

00:57:52 Speaker_00
Um, which is probably, you sent photos. Yeah, I'm sure I did.

00:57:55 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:57:56 Speaker_00
Yeah. That's right. So was that disaster pants at 30,000 feet?

00:58:02 Speaker_01
It was definitely like my, my stomach was not happy. I was, uh, I was paying for that. But yeah, so I do. How much time do you have? Cause I know you have, I have time. I got a really crazy one.

00:58:12 Speaker_00
Let's do crazy.

00:58:13 Speaker_01
Okay. Crazy.

00:58:14 Speaker_00
We can cut it out if you can't, but are you allowed to talk about cloth there yet?

00:58:19 Speaker_01
Yeah, I mean, so Peter Atiyah did a fantastic episode, which we both, I would say, would highly recommend with Dina, who is a fantastic researcher at UCSF. She has identified a compound called clotho, which is just absolutely insane.

00:58:34 Speaker_00
Yeah, so in fairness, it was identified by a Japanese researcher. Sorry, sorry, my bad, my bad.

00:58:37 Speaker_01
But she's spent a good part of her career- She is one of the foremost experts in the world, for sure. Yeah, so she did an episode with Atiyah that was a deep dive for about an hour and a half.

00:58:46 Speaker_01
And it is, I mean, do you have the kind of stats in front of you? I can ballpark it if you want. Why don't you ballpark it?

00:58:53 Speaker_01
So the ballpark it in my understanding is that, so cloth, just so people know, is it's naturally produced in humans, especially under high intensity kind of interval exercise. So you get more natural level of this.

00:59:05 Speaker_01
We all have it in our blood right now. And as you age, you get less of it, okay? So the interesting thing in humans that they know is that people that have these – there's two genes and these genetic polymorphisms.

00:59:16 Speaker_01
And if you are an overproducer, if you have these SNPs where you're an overproducer, meaning you naturally produce more of this cloth O. you just get dramatically less dementia risk.

00:59:26 Speaker_01
And even if the very famous gene out there is the APOE3, APOE4 genes, whereas if you are a four carrier, meaning like most people are 3-3, if you're a 3-4, you're like something like five to seven times more likely to get Alzheimer's.

00:59:41 Speaker_01
If you're a 4-4, you're kind of fucked. It's like 80% of people get Alzheimer's or something like that.

00:59:45 Speaker_01
If you have one of these snips, and you are way more likely to get it, but you're also an overproducer of cloth, though, it evens out the playing field. You have the same risk of dementia. So now the crazier shit is like, forget the mouse studies.

00:59:57 Speaker_01
The mouse studies are all awesome. They reverse dimension and all that shit when they give them cloth, though. When you give it to monkeys, even if they don't have dementia, they like instantly, this subcutaneous shot,

01:00:07 Speaker_00
Monkey limitless.

01:00:08 Speaker_01
They instantly become like 20% smarter, like for four weeks instantly from just getting a little boost of cloth.

01:00:13 Speaker_00
It's going to be in the headline monkey limitless.

01:00:15 Speaker_01
Dude, it's nuts. It's nuts. So, you know, we're very close to finishing the deal, but at True Ventures, we're writing a very big check that I'm leading around into. We're going to get this in humans in the next year and a half.

01:00:27 Speaker_01
You're going to participate. Atiya's going to participate.

01:00:30 Speaker_00
And I can read quickly. just for people who want to check it out. So this is the name, I believe it's the name of the episode that Peter has on The Drive, which is his podcast.

01:00:40 Speaker_00
A Breakthrough in Alzheimer's Disease, The Promising Potential of Clotho for Brain Health, Cognitive Decline, and as a Therapeutic Tool for Alzheimer's Disease. So I have Alzheimer's on both sides of my family.

01:00:49 Speaker_00
So this is- But you're a 3-3 though, right? I'm a 3-3, but I have been interested in tracking this for so long in terms of possible therapeutic interventions. That's why I studied neuroscience initially as an undergrad.

01:01:02 Speaker_00
why I was initially, the very first check I ever cut for supporting science was for Adam Ghazali and some of his early stuff, way back in the day.

01:01:10 Speaker_01
I've also given Adam some cash to go do some cool stuff.

01:01:12 Speaker_00
Yeah, Adam, check him out. He's been on the podcast as well. And the description is, I'll just give you this very quickly.

01:01:17 Speaker_00
So Dina Dubal is a physician scientist and professor of neurology at UCSF, whose work focuses on mechanisms of longevity and brain resilience. In this episode, Dina Dolfs, Dolfs, okay, that's the bitter stocking.

01:01:30 Speaker_00
Dina delves into the intricacies of the longevity factor cloth, though.

01:01:35 Speaker_00
Its formation and distribution in the body, the factors such as stress and exercise that impacts its level, and its profound impact on cognitive function and overall brain health.

01:01:44 Speaker_00
I don't want to skip over the exercise, because while you're waiting for this to be available as a subcutaneous or intramuscular shot, I think it should be effective subcutaneous,

01:01:55 Speaker_01
That's, by the way, that's the way they've given it to monkeys. It's very easy.

01:02:00 Speaker_00
Very, very, very simple. It's like using a Zempik or is it a Zempik sub-Q? Yeah. Very, very simple to do. Not painful. Before that is available, exercise. Yes. Exercise is arguably the most potent way to increase your circulating levels of cloth. Yes.

01:02:18 Speaker_01
So we're very excited for this, but the potential application here is huge. Obviously this is, could be the ozone, but for the mind, we'll see, we'll, we'll know more in a bit.

01:02:26 Speaker_01
And once this gets funded, I'm excited to see where it goes, but I think this is what I love about just our ability.

01:02:34 Speaker_01
Finally, at this stage in life, Tim, like you've done so much on the psychedelic research side, which has been amazing on the philanthropic side to watch happen.

01:02:41 Speaker_01
And like, you know, I started a new sub stack, which is like a paid, you know, newsletter, working on a more private community.

01:02:47 Speaker_01
And 100% of the proceeds from the first month are going in to fund a Matt Walker sleep study, in which he's identified some antioxidants that he believes can repair a bad night's sleep.

01:02:58 Speaker_00
So Matt Walker, for those people who don't recognize the name, amazing, a super sweet guy, brilliant researcher. Yeah, I just had him on the podcast. Who also wrote Why We Sleep, which was a mega, mega bestseller.

01:03:09 Speaker_01
Yeah. And Matt's such a fantastic, well-rounded researcher in the world. Beautiful voice too. Yeah. I mean, his accent.

01:03:17 Speaker_00
Dulcet, velvet British tones. Soothing. Exactly. He could read the Cheesecake Factory menu.

01:03:23 Speaker_01
He should read your next book.

01:03:25 Speaker_00
And I would, and I would listen to it.

01:03:27 Speaker_01
Yeah. So that's exciting. Like I'm, I'm very excited to like, I think you and I both enjoy this idea of like moonshots around, you know, science because it's like, it's, it's severely underfunded.

01:03:37 Speaker_00
And if you do, you can, you can do a lot with very little, a lot with very little. Yeah. Because otherwise this is part of why on a lot of levels I find it certainly as exciting as the startup investing is you have these potentially

01:03:54 Speaker_00
sort of history bending scientific developments or discoveries that will take years and years and years to fund through traditional grant writing and government support.

01:04:07 Speaker_00
And if you are able to, I know this is not pocket change, but if you're able to cut a check quickly for say 25, 50 grand, the check I cut for Adam way back when was 10 grand. That was a big check for me. you can actually make a difference.

01:04:21 Speaker_01
Can I give you an example of this? And you can accelerate it quickly. Yeah, please.

01:04:23 Speaker_01
So Dina, who's the principal investigator at UCSF around Clotho, I had a conversation with her and I said, hey, what's the study that you want to do right now on Clotho that would take you, you know, a year or so to get the grants and like blah, blah, blah.

01:04:37 Speaker_01
And she's like, I got this one that, you know, I want to kind of look downstream a little bit further and we can tag Clotho and see where it goes and all this stuff. And I'm like, what does that cost? And she's like, 50K. I was like, holy shit.

01:04:48 Speaker_01
I'm like, do you have the researchers ready to go? She's like, I can start this tomorrow. And so, you know, I donated some stock that were these little tiny distributions that I had received over time. And I just donated stock to UCSF.

01:04:59 Speaker_01
And now she has the funding and she already started the study, like a week and a half later. And it's like, I know that's a lot of money to a lot of people. So please, like, I'm not trying to flex here on the cash side, but I'm just saying like,

01:05:10 Speaker_01
Even a thousand dollars. But even like sometimes if you get to know these researchers or you hear about something on a Tio's podcast or your podcast where you're like, wow, that's great science being done.

01:05:22 Speaker_01
You can call them up, you can email them and say, hey, how can I contribute a hundred dollars here? And oftentimes it can be tax deductible depending on the organization and like. Oh, almost always. Yeah. Almost always tax deductible.

01:05:33 Speaker_00
And I will say this doesn't have to be a super high concept Doing the greatest good for the greatest number of people motivation it can be but it is so exciting and gratifying To catalyze science that could

01:05:54 Speaker_00
I think, without making it sound too exaggerated, I mean, change the world, literally, in the case of, say, a cloth, though. Oh, dude. And the fact that you can expedite it for relatively, you know, the cost of a car is nuts.

01:06:09 Speaker_01
So my mom now sometimes, sadly, thinks my sister is her mom. And she has dementia and it's not, thankfully it's not Alzheimer's. So we've been with this for about seven years now. And you know, we're going to put this in humans in a year and a half.

01:06:25 Speaker_01
My mom's turning 84 in a few weeks. And it's like, I don't know, there's a chance we get this in a couple of years and we get some more great memories back.

01:06:35 Speaker_01
We get a little bit more of like, even not even the, I can't guarantee what's going to happen, but even just like a little bit more awareness would be beautiful. You know, beautiful. So it's like, this is what motivates me more than anything.

01:06:48 Speaker_00
And we're at an age also where it's like almost every friend in our same cohort is having this experience. Oh, 100%. Right. At least one parent, usually both. I'm sure there's probably a thousand people listening right now that are like, I hear you.

01:07:00 Speaker_00
Starting to fray at the ends. And it's so painful to watch. I remember watching my grandparents. kind of descend to the point where they didn't necessarily recognize me or my brother or anything like that.

01:07:13 Speaker_00
And if you could just add a few years, right, or cut down on the symptoms by 20%, it's so significant for not just their quality of life, hopefully, but also the interpersonal relationships.

01:07:31 Speaker_01
Yes. the relationships is the big thing. When people go, they go. But just to have that like awareness of who is around you when you do go, I think is just like, it's such a huge deal. What else you got? I got some crazy ones.

01:07:44 Speaker_01
I got more crazy ones, but bring some crazy. So I talked to my dead dad, uh, via a medium. Okay. All right.

01:07:51 Speaker_00
Didn't see that coming.

01:07:52 Speaker_01
Yeah, yeah, it was on our list of stories to talk about. All right, yeah, tell me. So my tattoo artist was out here and giving me this fantastic tattoo. Jess is awesome. And she was like, hey, there's this crazy shit that happened to me.

01:08:04 Speaker_01
And I'm like, what's up? And she's like, I tattooed this woman that was a medium, and she gifted me a free session. And I'm like, was it crazy? And she's like, you have no idea. She's like, OK, a bunch of people.

01:08:16 Speaker_01
So cute, the toaster's coming to say hi to you.

01:08:17 Speaker_00
My toaster just keeps coming to say hi to me.

01:08:20 Speaker_01
So, you know, I'm a big skeptic on this shit. Like, I take this as, like, entertainment value, right? And so she was like, no, you don't understand.

01:08:28 Speaker_01
Someone, I don't want to get into her personal details, but someone that was not directly related to her but one step removed, like, of her immediate family, had been shot and killed.

01:08:38 Speaker_01
this person came in and said, listen, I had been, and this is not Googleable, you couldn't have found this anywhere, was like, I am the person that was shot in this particular location at this particular spot, like crazy scary, like really accurate.

01:08:55 Speaker_01
And I was like, oh my God, like, and she kept going and I'm not gonna go into her personal details, but like enough to where I was like, give me the number. Like, you know, I wanna like book this $150 session, right? It's 150.

01:09:07 Speaker_01
And so I book it and it's early cause she's like back east and that's how I get up at 7 a.m. like barely have my coffee. And there's like, she goes, Oh my God, she goes, there is this person that is like beating down my door to talk to you.

01:09:19 Speaker_01
And I'm like, okay. And she's like, wait, this is what the medium said. Medium said, yeah, we're on zoom.

01:09:24 Speaker_04
All right.

01:09:25 Speaker_01
And I'm like, okay. Like, uh, and you know, it's got a, it's got a startup in dog cosmetics. Yeah, exactly. They want to pitch you. It's a great pre-money valuation. They only want a million dollars.

01:09:39 Speaker_01
Like if the dog cosmetics are, it's going to boom, watch. So it's the next AI. So basically I was like, you know, I'm kind of like early, whatever. And I'm like, okay, I'm very Googleable, you know, like I'm aware of that. Right.

01:09:52 Speaker_01
And like, you can find out things about my dad and stuff like that. And she's like, it's a man. He passed from some heart tension. And my dad died of a heart stroke. I'm like, OK, you can Google that.

01:10:04 Speaker_01
And then she's describing all kinds of stuff, and even including a fight with my mom the night before, little tiny bits. So my sister did it, too. And we didn't tell him we were related, because my sister has a different last name. Oh, nice.

01:10:20 Speaker_01
And so with my sister, it was like, oh, he's good with numbers. He was an accountant. And he was just, like, saying that – he kept saying the number three, is there – and she's like, is there a third sibling?

01:10:31 Speaker_01
And I've never told anybody this, but I have a half-sister that I didn't know about. That's never been on the internet. And I was like – I started sobbing, dude, immediately. Because, like, I get that it's entertainment value.

01:10:42 Speaker_01
But just to feel – and what she said is she goes, he's very proud of you. And that just hit me like, you know, it's like, I don't care if it's real or not, just to hear that.

01:10:53 Speaker_01
And even if 2% of your body can say that might be real, you immediately break down. And so like snot's coming out of my nose and shit over Zoom. And like, there's no filter to turn that off.

01:11:02 Speaker_01
And like, it's just like, it was just very therapeutic, you know? And I was just like, holy shit. And the amount of shit that she got right was scary.

01:11:13 Speaker_00
Did she whiff on anything?

01:11:15 Speaker_01
I'm trying to think. Poof, gosh. You know what's funny is once you start believing it, once you're halfway in, you don't want to ask any questions that might get them to whiff.

01:11:23 Speaker_00
To disconfirm.

01:11:24 Speaker_01
Yeah, exactly.

01:11:26 Speaker_01
But I got to say, there was a bunch of stuff where she was like, you're girls, and one of them looks a lot like your dad and has that same kind of energy, and he likes to watch them play because he thinks it's really cute how one of them is like this, and was predicting their personalities to the T.

01:11:45 Speaker_01
Like, absolutely perfect. And so then I have Daria do it, my wife, and her mom comes to her, and scary accurate again, everyone's gonna be asking for this URL, I swear, I'm not trying to plug any medium gear and sell medium things, but it was insane.

01:12:02 Speaker_00
DogCosmetics.com slash Kevco.

01:12:04 Speaker_01
Yeah, exactly. Get the coupon code. Do you have anybody that's passed away that you'd want to talk to? Sure.

01:12:09 Speaker_00
Yeah. I mean, if I could, right? I mean, I'm very, I mean, I've gone out to the edges pretty hard in my sort of subjective experience or a lot of experiments, but I would say I've also watched, for instance,

01:12:24 Speaker_00
there's a documentary about the amazing Randy called an honest liar. And I've watched documentaries on mentalists and do you watch say performers like Darren Brown who are like how they can read and like lean in.

01:12:37 Speaker_00
I mean the stuff they can do is just like beyond, I shouldn't say it's beyond explanation, but it's very hard to explain. They're very convincing. Right.

01:12:44 Speaker_00
So I'm, I'm very skeptical, but if I could somehow assure myself that I had shielded them from the potential of Googling things and figuring things out. Right. Right.

01:12:56 Speaker_01
Right.

01:12:57 Speaker_00
If I could come in blind, like maybe the appointments, maybe someone else's name. And then I show up and I'm like, okay, here I am. Tell me. I mean, certainly I'm game to try.

01:13:06 Speaker_01
I'll pay for your session. I want you to see if this holds up for anybody else.

01:13:11 Speaker_00
Yeah, I'll try it. My feeling is, and this is maybe people are going to be like, wow, Tim Ferriss is wearing a tinfoil hat and we've lost him. He's out at sea, especially after my sort of like mimetic contagion comment earlier.

01:13:24 Speaker_00
But there are a lot of, I think it's very It's impossible to dispute that there's a lot we don't understand. That does not mean that these things are unexplainable.

01:13:36 Speaker_00
It's not invoking necessarily the supernatural per se, but there's a lot of weird shit that we can't currently explain. And so in the meantime, if we're waiting for a scientific agreement or consensus or breakthrough that is accepted,

01:13:50 Speaker_00
I'm happy to experiment, right? As long as you have some preparation and safeguards in advance so that you're not a mark for fooling yourself really easily.

01:14:04 Speaker_01
Here's the funny thing. So out of myself, Daria, my sister, she never asked for a rebook appointment.

01:14:11 Speaker_01
In fact, my sister, she had a bunch of people that came to her that she didn't recognize and she got to my dad like a little bit later and she's like, listen, I'm so sorry. This never happens. I want to get, I want to give you a free session for free.

01:14:21 Speaker_01
Come back next time. Like it was very weird and there was none of that like salesy shit. You know, I'm always on the lookout for that kind of stuff.

01:14:28 Speaker_00
Anyway, we'll have our times up. I like cliffhanger. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, he gave me, he gave me five of the winning lottery ticket numbers.

01:14:37 Speaker_01
Oh, sorry. We're out of time. But I just, you know, it was one of these random things that you just walk into in life and you say yes to, and it was like, weirdly awesome.

01:14:45 Speaker_00
I mean, look, I'll give you, this is like two drinks, definitely informing what I'm about to say, but in my experience, so I get say soft tissue treatment once a week, right? I get like massage treatment. What was that?

01:14:57 Speaker_01
I said handy.

01:14:59 Speaker_00
What does that mean? No dragon rolls, no happy endings. I'm saying just massage treatment. Like I have people who work on me because I've broken my body so many times. And there are certain people who have bizarre abilities that they cannot explain.

01:15:15 Speaker_00
Like they are just good at… Like the Reiki people. It doesn't necessarily even have to be that. Far afield from manual therapy, they're just some people who have very seemingly strange abilities. And they have incredible track records.

01:15:31 Speaker_00
And when they try to teach other people their method, it does not translate. Their disciples are unable to do what they do. And I don't know how to explain that, but there seems to be an extreme variance between outcomes.

01:15:46 Speaker_00
And there are some people who are very purely secular, they have their technique, they can explain it, and they're effectively architects and carpenters of the human body, and they're able to do some miraculous, I shouldn't say miraculous, but predictably effective things based on

01:16:03 Speaker_00
their understanding of the human body. Then there are people who just seem to operate on a different channel. And I don't know what to make of that.

01:16:11 Speaker_00
And any, I would say any athlete who has competed for a long time or had a lot of manual therapy will have a story about someone like this.

01:16:21 Speaker_01
Why do you say athlete?

01:16:23 Speaker_00
Well, just because they're gonna stay stuff or no because they're going to injure themselves or have more They're just gonna have more table time. Yeah, then I'm an average person, right?

01:16:32 Speaker_00
Well, you talk to the average person on the street I mean by and large like when do you have your last massage like never five years ago two years ago Whereas if somebody's a very serious athlete, they're probably getting some type of manual therapy, right?

01:16:44 Speaker_00
Once ever I mean at least once a month if not once a week if they're like an Olympic sprinter or something They're probably getting it every day or every other day

01:16:52 Speaker_01
Can I ask you a question that you may want to cut from the podcast? Sure. You told me once that during one of your ayahuasca sessions, that it was either someone had spoken in a different tongue that they didn't know, or there was something crazy.

01:17:09 Speaker_01
What is the craziest Tim Ferriss supernatural thing that you've ever seen in your life?

01:17:13 Speaker_00
So I, that's a good question. I'm going to pull out the supernatural just because... Okay, natural. Hypernatural. Simply because I don't think these things are beyond explanation. We just lack perhaps the tools or the ability.

01:17:31 Speaker_00
Yeah, we just we can't currently investigate any of these phenomena in a granular enough way to make it gratifying. Sure. Uh, yeah. I, okay. So give me a couple of good ones. Yeah, I'll give you some good ones.

01:17:44 Speaker_00
I mean, so I have a decent amount of, uh, flight time, I guess we can call it. I have seen on a few. Now what I'm going to do is I'm going to, I'm going to describe what I saw. Okay. And then I'm going to debunk it.

01:17:56 Speaker_01
And I know you don't lie, which is what's awesome. I've known you long enough to know that you are very, very trustworthy, like legit person. You don't embellish, which I think is great.

01:18:04 Speaker_00
Yeah, I try not to.

01:18:05 Speaker_01
And I also try to cross-examine, right? Yeah, you're very skeptical, dude.

01:18:09 Speaker_00
Yeah. Which I love. It's great. So I've seen a few people. This is first person. Speak or sing in languages that they do not speak.

01:18:19 Speaker_01
Like in tongue shit where you're like, I can't understand you.

01:18:21 Speaker_00
No, you can. No, no, no. You can hear them like coherently.

01:18:25 Speaker_01
And you speak a lot of languages. Yeah, I do. So were they ever speaking a language that you understood where you're like, no, what language?

01:18:32 Speaker_00
Spanish. Well, that's easy one. They could have watched enough. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. These are people without any exposure or. They didn't watch Dora the Explorer or anything as kids.

01:18:42 Speaker_01
They could have picked up enough shit.

01:18:43 Speaker_00
Or look, I'm not fluent in these languages, but like the Shipibo or like from the Shipibo-Quinibo people or. And these were like. Like Kichwa-Lamista.

01:18:50 Speaker_01
Like white people coming in, like where you're like, you didn't have any.

01:18:52 Speaker_00
They're coming in blind. They couldn't even tell you the names of these tribes. Fuck.

01:18:56 Speaker_01
Like how many words, like one or two words?

01:18:59 Speaker_00
No, we're talking like an hour.

01:19:00 Speaker_01
What?

01:19:01 Speaker_00
Yeah.

01:19:02 Speaker_01
And you've seen this firsthand.

01:19:03 Speaker_00
Yes. And I also have what I would consider credible witnesses, people who are hyper competent in their own lives. They have very effective careers, et cetera, et cetera.

01:19:17 Speaker_00
These are not people who are just like navel gazing folks who do like personal development seminars every two days and don't have a job.

01:19:25 Speaker_00
These are real operators who have seen in one instance, you know, this woman who ended up speaking what sounded like in tongues, but there was an academic there who later was like, oh, that was, it was something like ancient.

01:19:43 Speaker_00
It was something that he could identify and he's like, oh yeah, it's a dead language. He's like, but I've studied enough of it. He's like, that's what she was, she was, she was chanting. No.

01:19:52 Speaker_00
So if I were to take the debunk side of this, I would say, well, everyone's tripping balls. So like, let's be honest. Right. Right. Everybody could just be making up the like never ending story fantasy that they want to

01:20:04 Speaker_00
to be true because they're trying to recapture some mystery in a world that seems just like profane and disgusting. And this is all ayahuasca. Those examples are all ayahuasca, but it's not, it's not limited to that.

01:20:17 Speaker_00
It seems to be particularly prevalent. Like reports, let me be clear, not occurrences, but reports of these types of events or phenomena are most widely reported, it seems, in cases of ayahuasca.

01:20:34 Speaker_00
But the format, I think, matters in the sense that it may not be limited to ayahuasca, which is a brew. It's a combination of different plants.

01:20:45 Speaker_00
So, Banisteriopsis capi, in the case of the vine, and then Sequoia viridis, if they're using chacruna, also another name for the same thing. So, it's a bit of a cocktail, right? You can think of it as an old-fashioned.

01:20:55 Speaker_00
Like, there are a lot of ways to put a spin on an old-fashioned. And depending on the brew, it's going to be very, very different.

01:20:59 Speaker_01
I had one the other day with the cognac and it was so good.

01:21:03 Speaker_00
So, I can tell you what is not delicious is ayahuasca. But the point I was going to make is that I think the reports in part are more frequent with ayahuasca than, say, psilocybin or more psilocybin mushrooms, let's say, or LSD.

01:21:16 Speaker_00
Because ayahuasca is almost by default, at least in the syncretic, kind of mestizo, neo-shamanic formats that you see, say, in North America and at a lot of the ayahuasca tourism places, it's inevitably in a group context.

01:21:34 Speaker_00
And so when you have a group together, the dynamic of the potential for storytelling, the volume of things that you will observe from other people is just higher than if you're laying on a map by yourself doing mushrooms.

01:21:50 Speaker_00
So I think since that shared experience is such an intrinsic part of most ayahuasca circles, as sort of North Americans experience it, that it's almost inevitable that you're gonna get more reports of these types of things. And who knows?

01:22:08 Speaker_00
Maybe people are just hearing and seeing what they wanna see. They are ultimately considered hallucinogens, although I do think there's more to the story.

01:22:15 Speaker_01
That's crazy.

01:22:17 Speaker_00
Yeah, yeah. I mean, and I will say, like, when you're listening to anyone talk about fucking crazy town, which is what we're talking about right now.

01:22:25 Speaker_00
And this is not to say that I'm the ultimate impeccable objective witness of reality, but you just have to ask yourself, like, has this person demonstrated the ability to reason and logic their way through other complicated problems, right?

01:22:42 Speaker_00
Because if they haven't demonstrated that and they believe in the fucking tooth fairy and the spirits in Ayahuasca, then you really, you don't have a basis for judging their judgment. But if someone comes in and they are

01:22:58 Speaker_00
demonstrably world class in a bunch of domains, a real operator, very skeptical. And nonetheless, they have these experiences and they're just like, what the fuck was that? Exactly. Then it's more interesting.

01:23:12 Speaker_01
Yeah, I had a jet Navy fighter pilot named Ryan Graves on my podcast. Ryan Graves? Yeah, like the Uber Ryan Graves, but a fighter pilot. Yeah, OK. And he's the one that came out and said, I saw some crazy alien ships in the sky.

01:23:28 Speaker_01
And we talked an hour and a half for what it's like, and the training that he does, and the sensors that they have in these jets. And you're like, there is nothing. This guy is the most credible dude on Earth. He's a retired Navy fighter pilot.

01:23:42 Speaker_01
you know, was, there was no, like, it wasn't like, oh, we got, here we go.

01:23:47 Speaker_00
Oh my God.

01:23:48 Speaker_01
We do the corner bit. Here we go. What is this?

01:23:50 Speaker_03
So this is, I sent some egg whites. So unfortunately, yeah, egg whites. I gotcha. Thank you.

01:23:56 Speaker_00
Thank you.

01:23:58 Speaker_03
It's apricot liqueur again. Apologize.

01:24:00 Speaker_00
Ooh, I like this little, this, this little closed book. Very nice.

01:24:03 Speaker_01
Kevin. Sorry. Sorry. Please, please, please.

01:24:05 Speaker_00
Must be some, some decorum.

01:24:08 Speaker_03
Lemon juice, bitters, and then your world famous tequila there.

01:24:14 Speaker_00
Oh yeah. Oh, nice. That's not tequila. Oh yeah. The Lalo.

01:24:19 Speaker_01
Egg whites.

01:24:19 Speaker_00
It's healthy. It's basically a protein shake.

01:24:22 Speaker_01
Yeah, exactly.

01:24:23 Speaker_00
So to what, Kevin?

01:24:25 Speaker_01
To experimentation.

01:24:27 Speaker_00
To experimentation. That's outstanding.

01:24:33 Speaker_01
That's probably the best one yet. Outstanding.

01:24:35 Speaker_00
I am going to be laying on.

01:24:36 Speaker_01
You're getting on a flight. You're fine. All right. So what do you have? Do you have anything else or do you want me to go on? I got like one or two more if you want to.

01:24:44 Speaker_00
I'm on you fire away. I mean, basically here, there are a few things that I can recommend. just in case people are looking. I'll make it fast.

01:24:52 Speaker_00
So just in case people are looking for a couple of recommendations for things that over the last few months, I have found really compelling in viewing or reading a few things. So one is Jerry Seinfeld's Duke commencement speech.

01:25:06 Speaker_01
Oh, yes.

01:25:07 Speaker_00
Amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah. Just trust me. Check it out. Yes. Then there's a very old documentary that I watched again, David Hockney, The Art of Seeing. And David Hockney is an incredibly well-known artist, perhaps Britain's best loved living artist.

01:25:26 Speaker_00
And The Art of Seeing really dives into, through interviews, his way of viewing the world, art and life. It's tremendous and you can find it on YouTube. You might be able to find it elsewhere but it's actually surprisingly hard to find.

01:25:43 Speaker_00
In terms of books, After many, many people recommended it, and I had a hell of a time getting into it. It took 20 or 30 pages, so just suffer through the first 20 or 30 pages. It is one of the most beautifully written books I've ever read.

01:25:56 Speaker_00
Also probably the most brutal book. It is just brutal, brutal, brutal.

01:26:00 Speaker_01
Brutal in what way?

01:26:00 Speaker_00
Okay, so it's called Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy. And selected, yeah, you can get an audible, I listened to it. It was actually great narration. Selected by the Atlantic as one of the great American novels of the past 100 years.

01:26:14 Speaker_00
Here's an endorsement, one of the quotes from Michael Herr, I think that's how you say it, H-E-R, quote, a classic American novel of regeneration through violence.

01:26:22 Speaker_00
McCarthy can only be compared to our greatest writers like Melville, et cetera, et cetera. And this is his masterpiece. So it's brutal in the sense that it is set in the wild west,

01:26:32 Speaker_00
But the Hobbesian behavior of humans and just like evil acts of brutality are, are just beyond.

01:26:43 Speaker_01
Is this going to be like a Quentin Tarantino film in like 10 years or five years?

01:26:47 Speaker_00
It would be hard to make an adaptation. I think it'd be hard to sell because people just come out of the movie theaters being like, what the fuck did I just do to myself? But the prose, the prose is so gorgeous.

01:26:58 Speaker_00
I mean, this is one of those books that I listened to and I was like, I should just fucking hang up my spurs and be done with writing. Like this writing is so good. This writing is so good.

01:27:10 Speaker_00
Maybe this guy's an alien like he's it doesn't seem conceivable to me that a human could produce this. It's so good Now I will warn you if you listen to the audiobook in the beginning of chapters.

01:27:20 Speaker_00
They've these ran They're not quite random, but they're foreshadowing snippets of different phrases and it's confusing as fuck on the audiobook. Okay, so on he's like Marshmallow tobacco, a man finds a dog, hat in the wind.

01:27:34 Speaker_01
You know, what the fuck is happening? That's the perfect Quentin Tarantino, like little like slide that they put up on the screen.

01:27:39 Speaker_00
They always put, yeah, exactly. So that's at the beginning of every chapter, but it's outstanding. If you want something that is shorter and also metaphorically quite beautiful, The Bear by Andrew Krivak, I think if I'm saying his name correctly,

01:27:54 Speaker_00
is a beautiful story of a girl and her father who live close to the land in the shadow of a lone mountain. The father teaches the girl how to fish and hunt, the secrets of the seasons and the stars.

01:28:03 Speaker_00
He is preparing her for an adulthood in harmony with nature, for they are the last of humankind. I'll just stop there. It's beautiful. I finished it in a handful of days. It's very short. That's a very special book. Really, really fast.

01:28:17 Speaker_01
If you're doing documentaries, I want to throw one out there. You've probably seen this, and I just watched it again for the second time. It's called The Birth of Sake. Never seen it.

01:28:24 Speaker_00
What?

01:28:25 Speaker_01
No. Oh, dude, this is a beautiful story.

01:28:27 Speaker_00
Now, we tasted a lot of sake in Japan. We did.

01:28:30 Speaker_01
Yeah, we went to actually one of the breweries and took it right out of the spigot. It was amazing. Oh, so good. So The Birth of Sake is about a traditional handmade... There's only like a thousand of them left.

01:28:41 Speaker_01
There used to be like 4,000 like a decade ago. Now it's a thousand handmade.

01:28:45 Speaker_04
Sounds like Japan.

01:28:46 Speaker_01
And well, they're like machines and automation and all that are like taking over. And this is about, I didn't know if you knew this, but like, if you're actually making sake, you have to tend to it for about six months around the clock.

01:28:58 Speaker_01
And so they get together in these like little tiny micro homes where they live, they leave their families and they just work on sake for six months.

01:29:07 Speaker_01
And so this covers old men, young men coming in, tradition, the handing off of reigns to one generation to another, somebody dying, the whole thing. And it's beautiful. And it's this little tiny brewery called Yoshida Brewery.

01:29:23 Speaker_01
And so there's a, there's a great store in San Francisco. I'm sure you probably remember it called true sake member over in a page. Oh, we're on now. Sorry. And a Hayes Valley.

01:29:30 Speaker_00
Yeah. So they actually bought a sake there called Hitori Musume, which means single daughter, which to this day I've been trying to find so good.

01:29:38 Speaker_01
So they, they actually sell this. I found this like, I have it upstairs. We can take a sip of it. I bought it, but it's not much. It's like, it's like $50 a bottle. Yeah, but it's this little tiny family. The story is beautiful. It's all 4k.

01:29:48 Speaker_01
There's like snow falling in like slow motion highly recommend watching That documentary the birth of sake that's that's my amigo.

01:29:56 Speaker_00
What else you got? I got a short one. Okay, go Alright, so this is a video that was sent to me by my friend Mike. You gotta watch this.

01:30:04 Speaker_01
You gotta watch this It's called just some of the stuff is in each other normally. No, I

01:30:08 Speaker_00
No, not that horrific mutually assured destruction known as our group. It can never make it out. No, no, no, no, no. It's called the higher Ren Aryan by Ren, who is a musician, storyteller, lyricist. It's fucking incredible.

01:30:23 Speaker_00
You've never seen anything like it. And it's a combination of talent, craziness slash lunacy, philosophy, redemption and relief. The lyrics are so good. It's a one man performance where he's playing guitar.

01:30:37 Speaker_00
He looks like a mental patient, like he's in an inpatient out like outfit gets wheeled in and it's just him and a guitar and he goes back and forth playing like the light and dark sides of himself. having a conversation. It is so good.

01:30:53 Speaker_00
It's probably too long to watch now. You should watch it. It will blow your mind.

01:31:02 Speaker_01
I love when we throw out the random links that are just like really good.

01:31:04 Speaker_00
This one, seriously, I was like, Oh, I'm not the only one who's fucking crazy. Oh, that's great. Fantastic. We're all fucking crazy. Oh God, what a relief. So that's, that's definitely, that's definitely one that came to mind.

01:31:18 Speaker_01
All right. I've got my last story of the day and then maybe you have one to add on top of this. So I'm taking a lot of risk here in that, um, tantalizing speaking about podcasts that, uh, we don't want to do what everybody else is doing, you know?

01:31:31 Speaker_01
Um, one of the things that was a complete tragedy that we can all agree upon is that Matthew Perry's, uh, passing away from ketamine overdose or, or becoming unconscious and drowning in the pool. A lot of data came out recently.

01:31:44 Speaker_01
Did you see that story? It was like really horrible. Like these doctors were conspiring to like give him as much as he wanted and like injecting him with what would be considered to be like a general anesthesia.

01:31:53 Speaker_00
Yeah, exactly.

01:31:54 Speaker_01
Enough to put you out. Right. And like, obviously you don't want to fall asleep in the hot tub.

01:31:58 Speaker_00
Right. It doesn't mix with water.

01:32:00 Speaker_01
Yeah. So. The thing that bummed me out about that is that, you know, we talked about this before about my treatment like six months ago and I feel fantastic after that treatment.

01:32:08 Speaker_00
But the thing that bummed me out is that- Meaning intravenous, was it intravenous or intramuscular?

01:32:12 Speaker_01
Intervenous, yeah.

01:32:13 Speaker_00
Yeah, it's an IV ketamine treatment.

01:32:15 Speaker_01
Yeah, so I did it, you know, I did the six sessions and I was going through a really hard startup and like, I feel as good as ever, which is great. Since then, when we did that podcast, I've had,

01:32:27 Speaker_01
And I can't say on camera, but I've had a household name that has built a business that is bigger than you and I have ever built that would be a shock to the world that hit me up and was like, I did this and it changed my life.

01:32:38 Speaker_01
And they've since paid for a bunch of people to do it after them that were really suffering. That person in particular was having some depression, things of that nature that was just treatment resistant depression was what they call it.

01:32:48 Speaker_01
A colleague of mine hit me up and was like, I have suicidal thoughts. I'm not going to kill myself, but I hate that I have them every day. Also a scary message to get. Yeah. But she went and did five treatments and is now in full remission.

01:33:07 Speaker_01
And I was like, this is amazing. And it kills me that, I mean, obviously there are insane dangers around recreational use. I'm not disputing that at all.

01:33:17 Speaker_01
And it's being used in clubs, it's being used all over the place as a disassociated, and I get that it's really bad.

01:33:22 Speaker_01
But I wanted to go out and say, if I'm going to do a different podcast on this, I want to have an expert, which I brought my doctor in. Her name is Dr. Jen. She is a Princeton trained doctor. Not a chiropractor. Not a chiropractor.

01:33:35 Speaker_01
No offense to chiropractors, but they tend to do the Dr. Bob, Dr. Jack, Dr. Jen thing. Yeah, you don't want a chiropractor doing this, but she's been an ER room doctor for like 15 years.

01:33:45 Speaker_00
Now I feel like a dick, I have to say.

01:33:47 Speaker_01
Like there's some great chiropractors out there who I work with, but you don't want them running your ketamine. Right, exactly. And she gets into that and she's like, this is why we need to take this seriously, right?

01:33:57 Speaker_01
So we did the whole podcast and we take it from a very scientific point of view, talking about the neuroplasticity, talking about her outcomes that she's witnessed, blah, blah, blah.

01:34:05 Speaker_01
But the crazy thing that I added onto this, and this is coming out in like a week or so, is that I actually said, okay, I will go in to demystify this. And I went into the clinic and I did intermuscular, which is just a shot in the arm.

01:34:20 Speaker_01
And I tried to stay as conscious as I could and explain the feelings as I was starting to go into La La Land.

01:34:28 Speaker_00
Now let me tell you why. Are you going to share Marble Mouth moments? Oh yeah, 100%. There's all that in there. It is an anesthetic. It doesn't generally help you talk.

01:34:40 Speaker_01
I had to stop and restart the same sentence like five times.

01:34:44 Speaker_01
But I will tell you the reason why I did this is very simply because of my friend that was suffering from severe depression, that she knew me personally, and she's like, I saw you do this, and I saw it have a positive benefit.

01:34:56 Speaker_01
I am not recommending anyone to do this. But there is a subset of people out there that are suffering, that are seriously contemplating horrible things. And I just want them to check it out and also see what a high quality clinic looks like.

01:35:10 Speaker_01
Like, don't go to the chiropractor. Just look inside of- I'm so sorry I said that. No, but it's true though. Like, let's not say chiropractors, but people that have access to this compound. Don't go to them. Like, you should have a real legitimate doctor.

01:35:22 Speaker_01
There should be a real legitimate intake. There should be blood pressure cuffs. There should be heart rate monitors. There should be all the real things that come with a legitimate practice. And so I want to demystify it a bit.

01:35:32 Speaker_01
It's going to be controversial. It's coming out soon. But, you know, I think I'm on the right side of history here. I think that, like, this will help a lot of people. It's not for everyone.

01:35:42 Speaker_01
But if you're really, really suffering and you tried everything else, all the exercise, all the antidepressants, and you still want to do harm,

01:35:50 Speaker_00
Yeah. Maybe, maybe consider. Yeah. For suicidal ideation, I mean, there, there are many resources that we could recommend. Uh, I mean, we're not doctors, we're not doctors, we're not medical doctors. Yeah. I almost off myself in college.

01:36:02 Speaker_00
So I mean, if you, if you search some practical thoughts on suicide in my name, there will be a long post. that will walk you through my history with this.

01:36:09 Speaker_00
But if someone's contemplating self-harm, serious self-harm, then I do think of all the interventions I've seen in clinic, that's the operative term, ketamine sessions, whether IV or intramuscular, are very interesting.

01:36:30 Speaker_00
They effectively hit stop or pause on the thought loops so that you can have a moment of respite to really examine what is happening and going on and take a short break from your pain in the form of these thought loops that are incessant.

01:36:47 Speaker_00
And that is also the reason why, in my opinion, you should not use ketamine outside of clinic. It is too seductive. It is very easy to become addicted if you have any history of... using alcohol to take the edge off.

01:37:06 Speaker_00
Ketamine is like alcohol times a hundred in terms of its effectiveness to taking that edge off. And therein lies the danger because there are severe consequences to becoming really addicted to ketamine.

01:37:17 Speaker_01
I will say this that was really interesting. I talked to Dr. Jen who's done hundreds of patients now, right? And she goes, and I said to her on the podcast and her defense is very interesting. I said,

01:37:25 Speaker_01
You know, for me, like, I don't see how anyone could be addicted to this because like, it's like a journey you go on, you know? And by the time I'm done with the journey, I'm like, oh my God, thank God I get like, you know, a few days off.

01:37:35 Speaker_01
Cause you do it twice a week for three weeks. But she goes, no, no, no, Kevin, I just want to let you know. There are some people that when they feel that, they feel high from that. And I'm not one of those people, thank God.

01:37:46 Speaker_01
But she's like, therein lies the danger. And I'm like, thank you for correcting me there. That's a real legitimate person that is trying to set the record straight. Because some people can get that alcohol times 1,000 and get addicted.

01:37:59 Speaker_01
And then they go finding street sources and all that stuff. But it's a really

01:38:04 Speaker_01
crazy compound because in some settings, it can be a savior and a reboot that people need and an outside perspective to look at themselves disassociated a bit to laugh and like, to look, to take an observer status on their own stories.

01:38:19 Speaker_01
I talk about that. Actually, when they film me coming out of it, they go, they go, what did you feel? And I go, Kevin was over here. I took an observer status of that and I was able to say, he's being crazy and he's his own worst enemy, you know?

01:38:34 Speaker_01
And so it's like, it's very challenging because in some sense, like this is a very dangerous compound, but I don't think we need to like just throw it away.

01:38:43 Speaker_00
No, we don't need to demonize it. I think it's a very powerful tool. And the risk is self-administration. Yes. Right? And I will say I've seen some of the most impressive, amazing, soulful

01:39:02 Speaker_00
High functioning people completely derail their lives using ketamine and other compounds.

01:39:09 Speaker_00
And you just have to be very, very cautious because my belief is, and I think this is a, even if it's inaccurate, I think it's a constructive, positive belief to hold, which is everyone has a molecule that will make them addictive. Everyone.

01:39:24 Speaker_00
You just don't know exactly which key is going to fit the lock. Everyone has the potential to be addicted. And it's just the right molecule. So for me, I'm like, let's safeguard against that. Oh my God. What is this?

01:39:40 Speaker_02
This is just a single shot of that.

01:39:42 Speaker_01
Oh, the great whiskey, the great tequila. Thank you. I love that text was from like 20 minutes ago. He said, thank you. Addison, you're the best, man. Thanks, man. Pickstudio.ai for Tim in Speedos.

01:39:54 Speaker_03
Wait, did you already pull it up?

01:39:55 Speaker_01
I pulled it up. Oh, so good. Amazing.

01:39:58 Speaker_00
Crazy. I mean, it looks just like him. Yeah. What's the story of the snake through the skull on your forearm?

01:40:03 Speaker_03
It's traditional. There's no stories, man.

01:40:07 Speaker_00
All right. There's no stories. It's just beautiful. All right. You know what? I stand corrected. I like it. Hold on, hold on.

01:40:11 Speaker_03
There's no story with the- Oh yeah.

01:40:14 Speaker_00
Like the monkey in the hat with the cigar? That looks pretty traditional too. Oh, look at the CCP baby with the boxing gloves. Yeah, who knows? Addison's the best.

01:40:26 Speaker_02
Thank you so much. Did you guys talk about just what happened last week or two weeks ago with Flux and the model?

01:40:33 Speaker_01
Oh, yeah. So we did mention that up front, but I think we should mention it. Well, I didn't mention Flux. So there was a new model that came out.

01:40:39 Speaker_00
Addison, you get to do the cheers. What should we cheers to?

01:40:43 Speaker_03
to our girlfriends and our wives who never meet.

01:40:49 Speaker_01
To our girlfriends and our wives, may they never meet, is what Addison says.

01:40:54 Speaker_00
Yeah, future tense for me, but you know, a boy can dream.

01:40:56 Speaker_01
So just to give the round out of the 30 seconds, Addison, you switched to a new model called Flux.

01:41:02 Speaker_02
Yeah, everyone knows about it, like that's deep in the AI space.

01:41:05 Speaker_01
Yeah, this is the new AI shit.

01:41:07 Speaker_02
What's really crazy is, so you guys brought up- Should we get him a mic?

01:41:11 Speaker_01
Yeah, yeah, you're talking to this mic. Kneel down for a sec. Take a knee. Just tell us about Flux because the pictures of Tim are insane. Why are they better now than they were three months ago?

01:41:22 Speaker_02
You guys originally brought up PromTent maybe two years ago now, or maybe a year and a half ago. It was in December of 2020. You look good. That's not even AI. That's our trip to Mexico. Yeah, that's just Mexico.

01:41:40 Speaker_02
No, so you guys brought it up and you were making all these theories about what's going to happen with AI and really like just the models just keep getting better and the prompts are kind of still saying complicated.

01:41:53 Speaker_02
And so essentially there was a team at Stable Diffusion or Stability AI Those folks left and basically started another open source model and this thing is competing with Mid Journey and it's all open source.

01:42:07 Speaker_02
It launched and a couple of days after it launched everyone was saying you won't be able to fine tune, you won't be able to train. basically these lores and things like that. 24 hours later, I was like, actually you can.

01:42:20 Speaker_02
And that's how rapidly it's changed. It's just insane. And it takes very little effort.

01:42:24 Speaker_00
We'll put a bunch of these up. They're nuts.

01:42:26 Speaker_01
Let me ask you a question on this.

01:42:27 Speaker_00
Also, I feel like we're going to put these up and then people are going to meet me in person and be like, uh, what happened?

01:42:32 Speaker_01
You really let yourself go. Hold on this picture of Tim with the, with the red, uh, like speedo type stuff. How How could you say I want him in a black jacket here? Red, red pants.

01:42:48 Speaker_02
Yeah. Yeah. So the, the way, like what I'm working on with like pick studio AI is essentially like everyone wants really

01:42:54 Speaker_01
I'm going to have this part out, but do you want to go a little bit more over here so we can see your face?

01:42:59 Speaker_02
I mean, sure.

01:43:00 Speaker_01
Come over this way.

01:43:01 Speaker_02
I want to get my good side.

01:43:05 Speaker_00
Just sit on Kevin's lap if you want.

01:43:09 Speaker_02
I'm not saying that's hot, but if the boner police were around, I'd demand a lawyer.

01:43:14 Speaker_01
That's definitely staying out.

01:43:17 Speaker_02
You're gonna have to catch up oh god, you're kneeling in his fleshlight How we can modify this

01:43:36 Speaker_02
Well, no, the way I've seen this sort of working, like in a way that is actually usable, which is what I keep telling people is how many times have you taken headshots where you just need them from either LinkedIn or show that you're working on?

01:43:47 Speaker_02
It's just like a relating. I mean, that's the I'd hate to be dating right now. Yeah, me too. But you can do anything really. Essentially, like what we're trying to do is figure out what kind of photos people want for.

01:43:59 Speaker_00
Go to the go to the website for a second. What's the tagline? Pro portraits created with AI. There we go.

01:44:04 Speaker_02
We're doing a whole bunch of stuff. And these are actually old ones because we're sort of piloting this right now of different portraits. So those are old versions of our portraits.

01:44:14 Speaker_02
But, you know, I see it less being, hey, I want to be riding an elephant going crazy. It's more like I used to take portraits every year with my buddy Nate Taylor, who took your portraits back in the day.

01:44:25 Speaker_02
And we'd have to spend like a day or two taking these photos. And like, he doesn't want to do it. I don't want to do it. He's going to take a thousand photos and maybe one looks good. And it's like, this is just going to get it right, right away. Yeah.

01:44:36 Speaker_02
So it's just, it's realistic way of getting a great portrait, but you can do whatever. Like I, I absolutely did that. And that's going to my, my library, your private stash book, bookmarks, tax returns, 2011.

01:44:51 Speaker_01
I think I'm going to make it only fans for Tim. I'm going to make OnlyFans for Tim based solely on this AI model. And that's an interesting thing. All right, so. That's true.

01:45:03 Speaker_00
I can have a name. You all right over there? Yeah, I'm good. Microphone went for a wobble.

01:45:08 Speaker_01
I love Addison. He's the best. He's always dabbling. Like, this is a one-person startup that he did on his own. I fucking love that, though. Yeah, I know.

01:45:16 Speaker_00
It's so cool. Dude, dabbling is where you find things to double down on. Yes. Right? That's where all the magic happens. A hundred percent.

01:45:25 Speaker_01
All right. I'm, I'm, I'm out of good stories. You got anything else?

01:45:28 Speaker_00
Good stories. I think I've covered most of it on my list. I'll mention a few things. There's a children's book for adults. You're right. You said children's. Children's. Yeah. A children's children. Apostrophe S. A children's. Children's.

01:45:45 Speaker_01
Yes. Okay.

01:45:47 Speaker_00
Maybe it's Long Island coming out.

01:45:49 Speaker_01
I don't know. I think that's how you say it.

01:45:51 Speaker_00
It's called The Well of Being by Jean-Pierre Weil, I guess if you're going to say it in German. All right. And this has made an impact on me. It's a beautiful book. It's very easy to read. You could read it with your kids. And

01:46:07 Speaker_00
The couple who introduced me to this are one of the most thoughtful, present, and playful couples I know. F and K, thank you for all this.

01:46:16 Speaker_00
And it infused, you know, they've also infused the raising of their daughters with the ethos of this book in a way.

01:46:22 Speaker_00
So here's the description, The Well of Being from Jean-Pierre Wael is an illustrated inquiry into the art of happiness and what it means to be radically alive in our daily moments. I'll stop there. It's a long description.

01:46:33 Speaker_01
It's out of print. I'm on Amazon right now. It's out of print.

01:46:35 Speaker_00
Is it really?

01:46:36 Speaker_01
Yeah. And so I had to just buy a used copy.

01:46:38 Speaker_00
Buy a used copy. It's a beautiful book. Okay. And then separately, there's a question that I've been asking myself a lot. And

01:46:45 Speaker_00
You can find this more elaborated upon on my blog, takes two or three minutes, but don't freak out because the first few paragraphs of the blog post, but it's a strong metaphor. And the question is, are you hunting antelope or field mice?

01:47:00 Speaker_00
And I've been thinking about this. with the podcast, as well as with respect to next projects, how I choose next projects, right? Because all we have is our energy and time. And if you spend it in one place, you can't spend it in another.

01:47:14 Speaker_00
And this particular question, people can look it up for the history, but are you hunting? Are you hunting? Antelope or field mice is a reference to sort of the metaphor of the lion.

01:47:28 Speaker_00
A lion can survive on field mice, but it's going to ultimately be very, very, very, very, very over busy. And it's going to burn more calories than it earns through hunting field mice.

01:47:39 Speaker_01
So it'll be skinny.

01:47:40 Speaker_00
Don't be skinny, but like pick a big... It would be skinny if it was... It would be skinny, yeah. But pick a big audacious goal. that can feed you for a long time, right?

01:47:50 Speaker_00
So as you're being busy, quote unquote, like are you hunting field mice or antelope? Can I challenge that for a second?

01:47:58 Speaker_01
Challenge. So if you're hunting field mice, I'm assuming that's easier prey, easier to get, probably gives you more time to like sit with who you are.

01:48:12 Speaker_01
Like the one thing that struck me about today, and I just like, let's have a little real talk for a second.

01:48:18 Speaker_00
Oh God, coming to Jesus moment. Here we go.

01:48:20 Speaker_01
You went on this sabbatical and yet you had to write a book.

01:48:25 Speaker_00
I didn't have to write a book.

01:48:27 Speaker_01
Hold on, hold on. Our mutual friend, who shall not be named, pointed this out as well, where it's like, can you sit and just be you, or would that be too hard?

01:48:41 Speaker_00
Okay, let's do it. All right. So let, yeah, this is, this is good. Let's, let's get into the fucking chewy bits. So I routinely every year spend at least a month off the grid, right? Like last October I was gone. I was in, I was off the grid.

01:49:00 Speaker_00
Yeah, but you were doing shit. I was doing stuff, but here's my question, right? And this was in our shared text thread. I basically said, okay, look, so the accusation is that Tim doesn't know how to chill out. I'm like, okay, fine.

01:49:14 Speaker_00
Let's take that as true. If Tim were to chill out, what does that look like on a daily and weekly basis? And one of my challenges was humans are built to be social. You have a family, our mutual friend has a family. There's an inbuilt

01:49:29 Speaker_00
social network in that family. I don't have that, right?

01:49:34 Speaker_01
I mean, you're a brother to me, so you always have a family.

01:49:37 Speaker_00
Yeah, I appreciate that. And on a day-to-day basis, when I wake up in the morning, my hotel room, my house is empty, right? So I need to go externally, I need to travel outside of the confines of my house to find that human interaction.

01:49:52 Speaker_00
So the question is like, okay, well, if you could write the script, what would Tim Ferriss chilling out look like?

01:50:00 Speaker_01
I don't know what that would look like.

01:50:01 Speaker_00
What would it look like?

01:50:02 Speaker_01
Oh, it's very simple. All right. I got the best answer for you ever. Oh boy. No script.

01:50:08 Speaker_00
That sounds like some fucking fortune cookie stuff that I can't make sense of though.

01:50:11 Speaker_01
What does that mean? I know you can't make sense of it, but that's the point. It's no script. When have you done that? When I did my meditation retreats, when I do, there's no script.

01:50:21 Speaker_00
No, but you had a schedule for each day.

01:50:23 Speaker_01
Sure, but like, I think- That was like an intensive silent retreat where you're meditating eight hours a day. You wanna sit in this back, bitch? Like, okay, I suffer from the same thing you do. I suffer from the same thing you do.

01:50:33 Speaker_01
And that is that we can't- There's a reason we're all friends, right?

01:50:37 Speaker_00
We're all fucking border collies.

01:50:38 Speaker_01
We chew it on the couch. We can't turn it off, you know? And it's like,

01:50:43 Speaker_01
Honestly, I think the healthiest thing, though, would be to wake up with no agenda for a month, with no friends for a month, with the fact that you just wake up saying, what is today going to bring?

01:50:56 Speaker_01
And that is damn fucking hard for people that are driven like you and me are.

01:50:59 Speaker_00
So I did that for almost a month last October.

01:51:01 Speaker_01
But do you do some psychedelics during that time and shit? Come on, you do some shit.

01:51:05 Speaker_00
Towards the end, but in that particular case, I mean, I'll just say that I don't think humans are built for isolation. Agreed, agreed. And there is a fetishizing of self-sufficiency and independence in the US that I think is unhealthy.

01:51:20 Speaker_00
It exists in other places for sure. But if you look at our evolutionary biological, like our biological programming, completely refutes that. To be exiled, to be excluded from the group is effectively death.

01:51:33 Speaker_01
I'm not arguing that, but what I'm arguing is like, what if you couldn't touch a pen or a computer for a month?

01:51:38 Speaker_00
Shoot arrows.

01:51:41 Speaker_01
Or both.

01:51:43 Speaker_00
I mean, I do think, and I can't remember the particular attribution of this. Man, I wish I could really remember it. Ron Jeremy? No, it was someone else.

01:51:55 Speaker_00
But it was basically like man finds leisure through the switching from one activity to another, like one compelling activity to another, something along those lines. I wish I had the exact quote and the attribution, but I don't.

01:52:10 Speaker_00
And this applies obviously cross gender, but the point being that I'm not convinced that being idle is a fruitful goal to have. If you can't sit with yourself for five minutes, that's a problem. Right. But different people have different constitutions.

01:52:31 Speaker_00
And for me, for instance, right, if you look at the four hour work week, OK, so I get rid of not get rid of, but I automate my whole business, blah, blah, blah. What do I do? I end up doing tangos like six to eight hours a day. Right.

01:52:43 Speaker_00
But that was not done from a position of obligation or It was done from a place of enthusiasm and excitement and love. That's different. And that, I think, is good medicine, right?

01:53:03 Speaker_00
So as long as I have the self-awareness to distinguish between something that is done from a place of fear or guilt or prestige hunger or responsibility or some nebulous obligation versus the things that enliven me,

01:53:22 Speaker_00
I think being active is fine as long as I land in the latter category. For instance, I'm doing a lot of archery right now. And I fucking love it. I am so fed by it. And I'm not saying I'm the world's best. I certainly am not.

01:53:38 Speaker_00
But I just find it so meditative.

01:53:42 Speaker_01
But can I ask you one question? One of the things I'm really curious about is like, Tim, I respect you so much because of how I've watched you dissect and assimilate information like no other human I've ever seen on earth.

01:53:58 Speaker_01
And you are able to learn and pick up and go deep on any topic within a matter of minutes or hours or weeks. You do that quite well.

01:54:09 Speaker_01
The one thing that is the rounding out of the holistic picture of Tim that I'm curious if you could ever tap into is the Tim that says, I can just be without having to go

01:54:25 Speaker_01
for those things or having to engage in that type of thinking, you know, that type of like pursuit, that type of analyzing, you know, I, Daria, my wife is, she's a PhD in neuroscience and, and I oftentimes get engaged in intense debates with her about this, where I'm just like, chill the fuck out.

01:54:50 Speaker_01
So, but I'm just like, you know, I'm like, I'm like, I wish, I wish with all my friends balance. And I think of the, where our mutual friend was trying to get to is like, might you find, might you find a little bit more of that side of the house?

01:55:06 Speaker_01
Cause you have the other in spades.

01:55:08 Speaker_00
Yeah. Yeah. It's a good question. I mean, I'll sit with it. I think the balance can come in a lot of different forms. So the balance is time-bound, right? In the sense that, is it balanced on a daily basis? Is it on a weekly basis?

01:55:21 Speaker_00
You're analyzing it though, dude. You're analyzing it. No, it's not. It's finding the right conceptual framework through which to think about it. And I don't think that's a mistake. I think it's actually very helpful.

01:55:32 Speaker_00
It depends on how your mind works, right? For me though, it's like if I'm super intense for a month and I'm going 10 out of 10, and then I'm zero out of 10 for a month, like that equates to kind of a 5-5, right?

01:55:45 Speaker_00
That's for me a certain degree of balance, but it's not, if you looked at it on the minute to minute, hour to hour, day to day, It would look very lopsided.

01:55:54 Speaker_01
I know a fantastic app that I would love to build for you, which would be like the Tim Tim random app. And like you open it up every morning and it tells you what to do for a month. And I'd be like, today it's like, what the fuck is this?

01:56:05 Speaker_01
And you'd be like, Oh, I have to buy a slip and slide and go down at 20 times. It's just like something where it's just like throw you completely out of your life and you're like, wow I didn't have to think about it. I didn't have to overanalyze it.

01:56:18 Speaker_01
It's just a fucking thing I'm gonna do.

01:56:20 Speaker_00
Well, this is this is part of the curse of the entrepreneur, but it's also but it's all the same Yeah, a hundred percent, you know exactly what I'm talking.

01:56:27 Speaker_01
I know exactly we talked about this but also But also at the same time these are your mics. I know I But also at the same time I will say that like when you introduce another partner, it's the dance. That's fucking hard, right?

01:56:40 Speaker_01
Yeah, cuz Daria is very much about like Structure and shit where I miss Daria and I are very similar very similar super similar.

01:56:48 Speaker_00
Yeah. Love you, Daria.

01:56:49 Speaker_01
She's you with hair the best. Yeah She's a better body I mean, you look at my AI. I'm sorry. Okay. Thank you everyone for tuning in.

01:57:08 Speaker_00
Good to see you, buddy.

01:57:09 Speaker_01
I love you, brother. Yeah, I love it too. It's a, it's always good to hang out with you. I seriously, like I, I wish we could be in the same city for more than like a day or two.

01:57:19 Speaker_00
Seriously. A hundred percent agreed. So.

01:57:21 Speaker_01
If we can talk Dari to move to Austin, I would be down. Seriously. We'll figure it out.

01:57:25 Speaker_00
We'll figure it out.

01:57:26 Speaker_01
Good to see you, buddy. All right.

01:57:27 Speaker_00
All right, man. Peace. See you guys. And oh, yeah. For all the links and whatever images of me and my speedos and all that good jazz, go to TimDotBlogs slash podcast. Yes.

01:57:37 Speaker_01
And check out my Ketamine episode at KevinRose.com.

01:57:39 Speaker_00
There we go. KevinRose.com. All right, everybody. Take care. Hey guys, this is Tim again. Just one more thing before you take off, and that is Five Bullet Friday.

01:57:49 Speaker_00
Would you enjoy getting a short email from me every Friday that provides a little fun before the weekend? Between one and a half and two million people subscribe to my free newsletter, my super short newsletter called Five Bullet Friday.

01:58:01 Speaker_00
Easy to sign up, easy to cancel. It is basically a half page that I send out every Friday to share the coolest things I've found or discovered or have started exploring over that week. It's kind of like my diary of cool things.

01:58:14 Speaker_00
It often includes articles I'm reading, books I'm reading, albums perhaps, gadgets, gizmos, all sorts of tech tricks and so on that get sent to me by my friends, including a lot of podcast guests.

01:58:26 Speaker_00
And these strange, esoteric things end up in my field, and then I test them, and then I share them with you. So, if that sounds fun, again, it's very short, a little tiny bite of goodness before you head off for the weekend, something to think about.

01:58:41 Speaker_00
If you'd like to try it out, just go to tim.blog slash friday, type that into your browser, tim.blog slash friday, drop in your email, and you'll get the very next one. Thanks for listening.

01:58:53 Speaker_00
Way back in the day, in 2010, I published a book called The 4-Hour Body, which I probably started writing in 2008. And in that book, I recommended many, many, many things. First generation continuous glucose monitor.

01:59:09 Speaker_00
and cold exposure and all sorts of things that have been tested by people from NASA and all over the place. And one thing in that book was athletic greens. I did not get paid to include it. I was using it.

01:59:22 Speaker_00
That's how long I've been using what is now known as AG1. AG1 is my all-in-one nutritional insurance, and I just packed up, for instance, to go off the grid for a while.

01:59:33 Speaker_00
And the last thing I left out on my countertop to remember to take, I'm not making this up, I'm looking right in front of me, is travel packets of AG1.

01:59:43 Speaker_00
So rather than taking multiple pills or products to cover your mental clarity, gut health, immune health, energy, and so on, you can squirt these areas through one daily scoop of AG1, which tastes great even with water.

01:59:54 Speaker_00
I always just have it with water. I usually take it first thing in the morning, and it takes me less than two minutes in total. Honestly, it takes me less than a minute. I just put it in a shaker bottle, shake it up, and I'm done.

02:00:04 Speaker_00
AG-1 bolsters my digestion and nutrient absorption by including ingredients optimized to support a healthy gut in every scoop. AG-1 in single-serve travel packs, which I mentioned earlier, also makes for the perfect travel companion.

02:00:18 Speaker_00
I'll actually be going totally off the grid, but these things are Incredibly, incredibly space-efficient. You could even put them in a book, frankly. I mean, they're kind of like bookmarks.

02:00:28 Speaker_00
After consuming this product for more than a decade, I chose to invest in AG1 in 2021 as I trust their no-compromise approach to ingredient sourcing and appreciate their focus on continuously improving one formula.

02:00:40 Speaker_00
They go above and beyond by testing for 950 or so contaminants and impurities compared to the industry standard of 10. AG1 is also tested for heavy metals and 500 various pesticides and herbicides. I've started paying a lot of attention to pesticides.

02:00:55 Speaker_00
That's a story for another time. To make sure you're consuming only the good stuff. AG1 is also NSF certified for sport. That means if you're nothing, you can take it.

02:01:05 Speaker_00
The certification process is exhaustive and involves the testing and verification of each ingredient and every finished batch of AG1. So they take testing very seriously. There's no better time than today to start a new healthy habit.

02:01:18 Speaker_00
And this is an easy one. Wake up, water in the shaker bottle, AG1, boom. So take advantage of this exclusive offer for you, my dear podcast listeners, a free one year supply of liquid vitamin D plus five travel packs with your subscription.

02:01:34 Speaker_00
Simply go to DrinkAG1.com slash Tim. That's the number one. DrinkAG1.com slash Tim for a free one year supply of liquid vitamin D plus five travel packs with your first subscription purchase. Learn more at DrinkAG1.com slash Tim.

02:01:52 Speaker_00
This episode is brought to you by Helix Sleep. Helix Sleep is a premium mattress brand that provides tailored mattresses based on your sleep preferences.

02:01:59 Speaker_00
Their lineup includes 14 unique mattresses, including a collection of luxury models, a mattress for big and tall sleepers, that's not me, and even a mattress made specifically for kids.

02:02:09 Speaker_00
They have models with memory foam layers to provide optimal pressure relief if you sleep on your side, as I often do and did last night on one of their beds.

02:02:16 Speaker_00
Models with more responsive foam to cradle your body for essential support in stomach and back sleeping positions, and on and on. They have you covered. So how will you know which Helix mattress works best for you and your body?

02:02:27 Speaker_00
Take the Helix Sleep Quiz at helixsleep.com slash tim and find your perfect mattress in less than two minutes. Personally, for the last few years, I have been sleeping on a Helix Midnight Luxe mattress.

02:02:40 Speaker_00
I also have one of those in the guest bedroom and feedback from friends has always been fantastic. They frequently say it's the best night of sleep they've had in ages. It's something they comment on without any prompting from me whatsoever.

02:02:51 Speaker_00
Helix mattresses are American made and come with a 10 or 15 year warranty depending on the model. Your mattress will be shipped straight to your door free of charge.

02:02:59 Speaker_00
And there's no better way to test out a new mattress than by sleeping on it in your own home. That's why they offer a 100-night risk-free trial. If you decide it's not the best fit, you're welcome to return it for a full refund.

02:03:10 Speaker_00
Helix has been awarded number one mattress by both GQ and Wired magazines. And now, Helix has harnessed years of extensive mattress expertise to bring you a truly elevated sleep experience.

02:03:22 Speaker_00
Their newest collection of mattresses, called Helix Elite, includes six different mattress models, each tailored for specific sleep positions and firmness preferences, so you can get exactly what your body needs.

02:03:34 Speaker_00
Each Helix Elite mattress comes with an extra layer of foam for pressure relief and thousands of extra microcoils for best-in-class support and durability.

02:03:42 Speaker_00
Every Helix Elite mattress also comes with a 15-year manufacturer's warranty and the same 100-night trial as the rest of Helix's mattresses. And you, my dear listeners, can get between 25 and 30% off plus two free pillows on all mattress orders.

02:03:57 Speaker_00
So go to HelixSleep.com slash Tim to check it out. That's HelixSleep.com slash Tim. With Helix, better sleep starts now.