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Episode: 2nd and 3rd House Birth Chart Readings

Author: Chris Brennan
Duration: 02:42:27

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In episode 462 astrologer Chris Brennan hosts a live birth chart reading session with listeners to talk about second and third house placements in their birth chart. This is a followup to episode 461 of the podcast where we talked about the meaning of the 2nd house in astrology and

focused on looking at example charts of celebrities, and in this episode the goal was to interview some listeners and ask them about their placements directly. Originally this was intended to just be an episode talking about the 2nd house, but as we went through the examples the 3rd house kept coming up and we kept being pulled in that direction, so I decided to just go with it and see where it took us. It ended up being really fruitful, and we ended up learning a lot about the 2nd and 3rd houses in the process, and each person shared some really interesting and powerful stories that helped to make the meaning of those houses really come alive. This episode then will act as a precursor to the one on the 3rd house that I'm currently putting together. Timestamps 00:00:00 Preface 00:03:48 Introduction 00:06:52 Ruler of 2nd house in the 2nd 00:10:10 Ruler of 2nd house in 1st 00:12:00 Harry S. Truman example 00:14:00 Amelia: Saturn transit 00:32:19 Maria: 2nd house stellium 00:52:00 Dawn: Pluto & Saturn transits 01:29:28 Wil: 2nd house profection year 01:54:37 Jayleene: eclipses 02:34:00 Final thoughts & reflections 02:40:10 Credits Watch the Video Version of This Episode Watch the video version of this episode on the 2nd and 3rd houses on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1Rl30qk548 – Transcript A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 462 transcript Listen to the Audio Version of This Episode Listen to the audio version of this episode or download it as an MP3:

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My name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to The Astrology Podcast. In this episode, I'm going to give a live birth chart reading webinar on the second house and the third house in astrology.

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I'm going to talk to and interview some people about their charts, where they're going to share specific examples with me about those placements, which help us to understand the significations of each of those houses in a much deeper way.

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I'm recording this as a little preview or a little bit of a segment to lead into the actual recording, because I just got done recording it.

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Originally, this was actually just supposed to be a live chart-reading webinar with patrons to cover just the Second House.

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But right away, as we got into the discussion and I started interviewing people, some of the early charts had connections between the ruler of the Second House finances being in the Third House of siblings,

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And right away, there started being in the interviews this draw towards talking about the 3rd house in addition to the 2nd house.

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And initially, I was reluctant and almost wanted to refocus on the 2nd house since that was supposed to be the main focus of the episode.

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But then eventually, I realized that we were almost being pulled into not just a 2nd house discussion, but also a 3rd house discussion.

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And in fact, right now, I'm in the process of preparing for the next episode in the Houses series, which is an episode on the 3rd house. So I realized at a certain point that instead of fighting it, I should just roll with it and see where it went.

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And in the process, I think by the end, we ended up having some pretty profound and pretty interesting discussions that really got to the heart of what not just the 2nd house means, but also what the 3rd house means as well.

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So I just wanted to preface this with that.

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We also, though, got into some pretty heavy discussions at times because sometimes we were dealing with difficult chart placements, so I needed to put a little bit of a trigger warning on this episode that if you're not

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comfortable dealing with heavy topics or topics surrounding even death or, in some instances, suicide, that this may not be a good episode for you if that's not something you're prepared to handle or deal with right now, which is fine.

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But if you are, I think that you'll find we ended up developing some pretty profound insights into the core nature of what the 2nd house and the 3rd house mean.

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After just finishing recording that webinar, I'm actually so happy that we had some of the discussions that we had.

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I think it was one of the best live chart reading webinars that I've ever done, and it will provide a nice addendum to both the 2nd house episode as well as the 3rd house episode that I'm going to do in this series.

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So that's pretty much the introduction.

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I just wanted to put that little warning ahead of time for some people, but also to describe better what you're going to find in this video and in this podcast episode once you get into it, just because it turned into something that

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As you'll see, I'm going to open just talking about the second house and walking into it thinking that's all we're going to cover.

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But in fact, it ended up being much broader and much more profound than I could have expected when I started this today, but in a really good way. So I'm excited to share it with you. So without further ado, let's get started with the episode.

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My name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to The Astrology Podcast.

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In this episode, I'm going to do a live chart reading webinar where patrons of The Astrology Podcast who have signed up to support my work through my page on patreon.com are joining me today for a live webinar where we're going to look at second house placements in their birth chart, look at transits through the second house of their birth chart, and other second house related things in order to see how

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these placements and astrological transits work out in the lives of real people. So I just released, not that long ago, a long, what was it, three- or four-hour workshop, essentially, episode on the 2nd house in astrology.

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And in that episode, Lisa Scheim and I primarily went through celebrity charts in order to demonstrate different variations of how 2nd house placements can work out.

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And I like that approach with celebrities as the primary thing, because their lives are so well documented or publicly documented, and therefore you have kind of like an objective way of looking at the astrological placements.

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So that when I say like, ruler of the second house and the seventh house means this, and then I give a publicly documented example where somebody's biography or multiple biographies are out there, you can kind of see and validate that that's true.

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So that's one piece of thing, and I think that's one half of approaching astrological research that's very valid and very important.

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The other half, though, is the importance of talking to real-life people that are not necessarily celebrities and of having a one-on-one direct personal interaction with them and being able to actually ask them questions, since that's something we can't necessarily do with celebrities.

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And when you do that approach, as we're going to do here today with some of the people attending this webinar, you're able to draw out some of the nuances of the placements a little bit more because you're able to have that dialogue and ask questions and get feedback about some of the delineations and how the placements actually work out in practice, especially in our case, by talking to astrologers or astrology enthusiasts

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who have their own second house placements and have their own lives, but have thought about those placements and sort of reflected on them and seen how they've worked out in different ways. So that's part of what we're going to demonstrate today.

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So everybody who's attending today has signed up for the live stream tier on the astrology podcast Patreon page at patreon.com slash astrology podcast.

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I'm thinking about doing one of these for each of the houses episodes that I do, so we'll see how it goes and we'll see how it works out. We did one

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on the First House last month, and I think that was a helpful additional addendum to some of the things we did in the standard First House episode itself. Some things I wanted to mention before we get started.

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Yeah, there was a few comments that I've gotten a lot from the last webinar that we did, or from the episode that Lisa and I did on the second house.

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One of them is a lot of people are asking why we didn't address or what it means when the ruler of the second house is in its own sign. In terms of that,

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actually had a bunch of examples with people that had the ruler of the second house in its own sign.

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One of the reasons we didn't go into it a lot is because, one, it's just a generally favorable placement for the ruler of the second house to be in its own domicile or in its own sign, and it indicates positive things for

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the manifestation of that house for the most part, that things will go a little bit more positively or a little bit more smoothly in that area of the life than they could be compared to other people, as long as there aren't major contradicting factors involving malefic planets especially.

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So if you look through our actual examples, you'll see actually we did have a bunch of people like that, like King Farouk, for example, who had Mars in its own domicile in Scorpio in the second house, and that was one of the things that kind of characterized that he was particularly fortunate when it came to money and wealth and possessions.

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So part of the delineation is that when the ruler of a house is in its own sign, it's more fortunate, or it is a somewhat fortunate area of the person's chart and the person's life, potentially, other counteracting factors aside.

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It also means that the significations will tend to arise from the nature of the planet, so you have to focus in that instance that the nature of the ruler of the house will manifest its significations much more clearly in that area of the life.

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like if it's Venus, for example, versus if it's Saturn, for example, that's the ruler of the 2nd house in its own sign, they'll tend to have a much more pure expression of whatever that planet means as manifesting in that area of the chart.

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And I think we have some examples of that in that lecture. The other house though is still relevant, and that was part of what we were demonstrating in that talk.

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Oftentimes when a planet's in its own domicile, most of the time it's still going to be ruling one other house in the chart, and so it's going to import the significations of that other house into the second house while also being a generally fortunate placement.

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When a planet's in its own house, there's also

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things that have to do with self-autonomy being more prominent sometimes in the person's life, in terms of having more freedom or control to decide or choose how one makes money or material resources than you might have

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if the ruler of the 2nd house is in other houses of the chart, in which case it gets more wrapped up in other people in the person's life, whereas the person when it has the ruler of the 2nd in its own sign may have greater self-autonomy in terms of that.

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Another one where there's some overlap there that people are asking about is the ruler of the 2nd and the 1st house.

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This one is tricky, but it also has some similar things because it means the ruler of the 2nd house of finances is in the 1st house of self, and so sometimes that means that the person's financial success or failure is more up to them and in their own hands than it is for other people in some way.

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So sometimes there's something about you and your sense of self where your finances stand out in terms of who you are and how you're defined in the world more than other people.

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So one example of this is like Elon Musk, for example, has the ruler of the second and the first house, and he's become at different points the richest man in the world. So that's one way that that can work out.

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It can also mean that somehow money is a special property of who you are or characterizing who you are in the world. Also, it can sometimes mean that money

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that you make money or finances as a result of the body, which is the first house signification, or the mind, which is another first house signification.

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It can also mean that you make money from your appearance, since the first house also represents appearance. So I don't want to spend more time on doing all of that than I need to, so I'll leave it at that.

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But I just wanted to mention that because I know there's a lot of people who asked about that, so perhaps that's something we'll revisit at a future point in this series.

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One last thing before we get started with interviews is there's one chart that I left out

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I actually forgot to mention a bunch of charts just because we covered so many, but one of them that was really interesting that I found was Harry Truman had Libra rising, Cancer on the 10th house, the 10th house of career, and the ruler of the 10th house was the Moon, which is placed in Scorpio.

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in the second whole sign house. And it's ruled by Mars, which is up there in Leo in the 11th, squaring the Moon through a superior sign base square with reception.

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So I thought this placement was interesting because he's one of the few US presidents that actually really struggled financially. And in fact, he struggled so much after the presidency in terms of his finances, that Congress actually passed an act

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which made it so that presidents would get an annual salary after they left office, or stipend of some sort, basically.

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In the 1950s, they passed this act, and it was really primarily about taking care of Truman because it was seen as somewhat embarrassing that there was a former president who wasn't doing very well financially or who was struggling.

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And I just wanted to mention that because I thought that was such an interesting thing because it's something that comes up frequently in his biographies, and it's sort of right there standing out in terms of that Moon struggling a little bit in the 2nd house, but also that because it's connected with his 10th house of career, that it's something he became known for, and that part of his legacy was that then subsequently presidents would receive that money each year as a result of having been president.

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I thought it was kind of a cool example, and I meant to mention it. I'm surprised I accidentally overlooked it in the last episode, but wanted to put that in here as something to think about. All right, so let's do some interviews.

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I'm going to do some interviews with people and look at some charts and see what we learn. Amelia, I think you're the first person up, so I'm going to promote you to a panelist. And I know you have an example of a transit that you had at one point.

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Okay. Hey, thanks for joining me. Thanks for having me on. All right. So you're I've got your birth data. I'm just, um, entering it in.

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So what is it again? Just verbally for those listening.

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It's April 4th, 1980.

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uh woodside queens new york at 10 47 a.m got it all right and is your ascendant uh 15 cancer yes cool all right so let's show your chart first and then we'll show the transits so um

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Natalie, you have Cancer Rising and you have Mars, which is retrograde, and Leo at 25 Leo conjunct the North Node in the second whole sign house in a day chart.

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I thought your example was interesting because you had an example where you had a bad experience where you were basically almost robbed or something while you were traveling, right?

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Yes, that's correct. Do you want the time and date of that event?

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Yeah. Let me do a, I will do instead of the time, I'll just do a bi-wheel for the broad transits. Um, so what was the date of the event?

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July 11th, 2007. Okay.

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There we go. So tell us the story or set up the story and tell us what happened briefly.

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Yeah, so I was traveling abroad. I had spent the summer in Europe, and I had made it to Istanbul, and I was traveling with a friend.

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We were in our, like, I was 27 at the time, but I would say that, like, we looked quite a bit younger, so that also may have had something to do with, like, the target, but Um, we were followed by what looks like police officers.

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Um, they were dressed as authorities and they stopped us and asked for our passports to verify our visas, which were accurate.

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Um, but then they got quite aggressive and like started to, um, tell us through like, there's like a lot of language barrier going on.

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That our visas weren't valid, and it became like pretty escalated where it seemed like it was going to turn into a scary situation. And it was late. And there weren't people around. And so they had our passports in their hands.

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And I just like very instinctually, I get very grabby when I get in a very tense situation. And I grabbed a passport out of one of the police officers hands, and then the other one just looked confused, and handed the other one back.

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And we just took off running. And we did get chased, they did follow us. But through a variety of chances and good luck and a miracle, even though they walked right past us while we were hiding, like, beside a bush, basically.

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I don't like to think about what would have happened if they didn't, if they did see us in that situation, because we were actually trapped.

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But they did follow us and find out, like, where our hostel was and tried to come into the hostel we were staying in. But yeah, so I was able to retrieve the passports Um, it was scary. It could have been a lot worse.

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Um, but your, um, I guess what like sort of triggered that experience, second house experience that I related to, um, you mentioned in the podcast, uh, that there was text indicating thievery and robbery, which made me sort of like, go back and think about this particular situation.

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Yeah, that sometimes Mars in connection with the 2nd house can indicate thievery or robbery was a really common delineation. And I think I used King Farouk's chart that had Mars in the 2nd, and he actually had a tendency to steal stuff from people.

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He was kind of like a kleptomaniac, which was an interesting manifestation of that symbolically.

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So what happened in terms of your chart is your Mars in the second house placement, which is where you have the most challenging planet for you because it's a day chart, was getting activated at that time among other transits.

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But transiting Saturn, there was a Venus-Saturn conjunction in late Leo, and it was conjoining your Mars in late Leo that was getting activated that day.

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Yeah. And weirdly enough, when I got home back to the States, two months later, I ended up getting mugged again. And my, and it was, I did come out of that also safe, but like not totally physically unscathed. I, you know, was a bit violently assaulted.

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But also in that case, my passport was actually in my bag as well. And I was able to retrieve my bag. That whole just Saturn transiting this whole house, with Mars was a great year for me when it comes to that topic.

00:19:49 Speaker_00
Yeah. That's really rough. Do you know the timeframe of the second incident?

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Uh, I don't have, I never recorded that date specifically. I think it was September of that year. Hmm.

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Um, cause that like Mars. Yeah. I mean, um, what's going on there.

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Oh, right. This is a Venus retrograde year. I forgot about that. So you should like Venus go retrograde that summer through your second house at the same time. So it's funny that you had two separate incidences potentially in a few month timeframe.

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Yeah, I actually had three. There was one of January of that year where I was also, um, uh, it's out of my whole entire life that particular year, I had three instances where I was, um, I had like violent attacks by men.

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Oh no. Okay. Um, yeah. So maybe it was more the Saturn thing in terms of talking about a longterm, like entire year in which you're experiencing this. How old were you that year?

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So that's, I was 26 when the first altercation happened, um, in like January of 2007. Um, you know, but like in the end it was,

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I sort of came out of it like not, you know, like there was not any situation where I was like very harmed, but it was like an escalation was happening where it could have been worse, where like I felt like my life was threatened.

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But in the end, like obviously I'm still here, thankfully.

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Yeah, I mean, it probably like psychologically would have made you more wary about like strangers and especially like handing out stuff, giving physical stuff to people like your passport and stuff, I assume.

00:21:48 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, the grabbiness has actually saved me in almost all of those circumstances. So I don't I don't know if that's, you know, what that what that part of my instinctual nature is. Maybe it's that Mars. Um, but I do have Mars stationing direct.

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Um, and it's also in like, uh, has other mitigating factors. Uh, it's in its own terms. It's in its own decadence.

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Um, right.

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So Mars is 1.7 days away from stationing direct.

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Yeah.

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Wow. Okay. That, yeah, that's a pretty striking Mars placement. And then Where is Jupiter? Jupiter is in your… Oh, right. Yeah, it's right next to it in Virgo.

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I mean, the other thing I noticed about this chart just in terms of you being on a foreign trip at the time is that transiting Uranus was like right there at 18 degrees of Pisces, retrograding back into a conjunction with your Mercury at 17 degrees of Pisces.

00:22:45 Speaker_00
And that seems very relevant as well in terms of being in a foreign country at the time, being traveling and then having this like unexpected event that kind of like disrupts the trip.

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Yeah, we actually were so distraught by the situation that we ended up leaving the next day. And we had intended to stay for several days.

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Okay, got it. Yeah, and then obviously, there's also other transits going on. So in terms of your Mars in the second house, I mean, how else has that worked out for you? Or do you have any general reflections about that's worked out for you in the past.

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I know yours is retrograde, so I don't know if this would counteract it, but sometimes people can spend money very quickly if they have Mars in the second house in the day chart. I don't know if that's ever been an issue for you.

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Have you ever had any other financial issues or other things involving money that stand out to you in terms of your charts?

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Yeah, I'm pretty financially unstable, usually on the lower end of the poverty scale, at least, you know, in my sort of independent adult life, but trying to sort of make money in really independent ways has kind of always been.

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That kind of makes sense since that's one of the nice positive things you have going on is like the ruler of your second is the sun, which is like in Aries in the 10th house. So there's a nice mutual reception between your 10th and your second.

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So the idea of being more independent in terms of how you make finances would make sense there.

00:24:30 Speaker_03
Yeah, and it's, I've always been able to just get by. I would say it's a lot of treading water to keep my head above. But I've had a couple like financial drops, I guess, that have kind of really gotten me out of sticky situations.

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Whether it's like winning a competition, like a photo competition or something like that. And then suddenly I just, you know, I was like,

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didn't have a place to live and I was sleeping on a couch in a state that I didn't want to live in and then I won a photo competition and got like $3,000 and I was able to leave and like go somewhere else to make more money kind of situations.

00:25:07 Speaker_00
Nice.

00:25:08 Speaker_03
Um, let's see other reflections on second house. Yeah, I mean I guess. Uh, as far as spending money, I'm actually really good at saving and being quite frugal. And actually I'm a little bit of like a control freak when it comes to how I spend my money.

00:25:26 Speaker_03
And like, I will afford what small amounts I have sometimes.

00:25:31 Speaker_00
Okay. Yeah, I'm curious about that. Sometimes control things are like a Pluto thing. You do have that sextile there between Pluto and Mars, but I'm curious what else that comes from. It's probably like echoes of different placements.

00:25:51 Speaker_03
Yeah, that might be my Scorpio moon square, that kind of control aspect.

00:25:56 Speaker_00
CB Yeah, the Moon-Uranus conjunction for those listening to the audio listeners is in late Scorpio in the 5th house, and it's configured pretty closely by a square to the Mars and North Node placements in the later part of the 2nd house.

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I definitely have scarcity anxiety, big time, huge, major.

00:26:20 Speaker_00
So that's interesting because that's something that I find really commonly when people have like Saturn in the second house, especially in a night chart that

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because Saturn often indicates things we fear and the people sometimes end up fearing financial lack or scarcity.

00:26:37 Speaker_00
So that's interesting, actually, if that's also a manifestation that you experience of having the most challenging planet in the second house and being concerned or worrying about finances.

00:26:46 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's a pretty good topic.

00:26:49 Speaker_00
Is it something that, like I had a client once with the Saturn in the second house in the night chart, it was ruling as Ascendant, so it was much more important, but it was like there were some pivotal early foundational experiences that kind of led to that or left that imprint for him in some ways.

00:27:07 Speaker_00
Was that the case with you, that there were some early foundational experiences like that, or is it more just as a result of things you've experienced throughout your life?

00:27:16 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, maybe it was being raised by a single parent who, you know, I didn't get to have, like, a great bond with because they were working all the time. So I was sort of left to my own devices a lot.

00:27:34 Speaker_03
Maybe kind of, yeah, like that thought of not, yeah, I'm not sure, like, there seemed to be some sort of connection to, like, a lack of

00:27:47 Speaker_00
um feeling safe maybe sure yeah that makes sense um yeah and maybe just the configuration with the moon then coming back into play and representing like the mother to some extent um if she was the one that was like raising you on her own and and kind of doing what she could to get by um yeah interesting all right well thanks for sharing that example i think that was a really good example and showing you know sometimes

00:28:14 Speaker_00
having a year like that when you're having a long-term Saturn transit that's going over a sensitive degree in your chart in the second house and having those three discrete incidents.

00:28:24 Speaker_00
But then luckily that being somewhat isolated to just having a really bad year in terms of that and that transit eventually going away.

00:28:34 Speaker_03
Yeah, and I also, I liked it as sort of another kind of example that is kind of like a way just from like money and material objects, but sort of like other delineations that we can sort of take about like livelihood and I thought that one kind of matched up nicely.

00:28:53 Speaker_00
Sure.

00:28:54 Speaker_03
And I'm safe, so it's fine.

00:28:56 Speaker_00
Yeah, which is the most important part. That was actually something I was just talking to Lisa about this morning. She couldn't make it here today, but we were talking a little bit about the possibility of the second house also representing

00:29:08 Speaker_00
body things, things related to the body and potentially physical health or physical well-being as part of an early delineation of the second house that may have gotten lost and gotten forgotten about. I think it's kind of interesting

00:29:24 Speaker_00
it may be relevant here just because it wasn't just that your possessions were in danger at that time, but your physical well-being also was potentially in danger at that time. So that may be part of what we're seeing potentially here as well.

00:29:39 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, in order to survive You know, there, you know, yes, you need like material objects, but you also need to like yourself, like your body, your physical self.

00:29:51 Speaker_03
So, um, I guess when I think about like the ascendant is, you know, when we were born and it's like, okay, well, like, sure we're born, but like, we need, you know, what do we need to be able to survive and, um, sustain.

00:30:04 Speaker_00
Exactly. And that may be why the 2nd house, because it was called bios in Greek, which does mean livelihood, but it also just means life. And that may be why the 8th house is opposite to that and is said to signify death,

00:30:26 Speaker_00
as the opposite, because there's something about the second that represents not just the material life of the native, but also their physical life or well-being as well.

00:30:37 Speaker_00
So that's something I'm really interested in exploring, and that could be relevant here also, just because that main incident could have been really bad in terms of just your bodily well-being and safety and mortality and other issues like that.

00:30:54 Speaker_03
Yeah. I mean, I've never been so sure of my life that if, if, if they had caught us, like I would not be sitting here. It was, it was that intense and that's scary. And I've never had that experience before.

00:31:08 Speaker_03
So just instinctually, I was like, this is life or death.

00:31:11 Speaker_00
Okay. Life or death. That's perfect. That's it. Like that's the signification like life or death. Okay. This is really interesting because that was something Lisa and I were just talking about. Um, so I'm going to have to keep an eye out for that.

00:31:23 Speaker_00
We're going to have to see if we see that anything like that, that comes up in future other examples, or if other listeners have similar stories related to the second house, and maybe there's a whole property of the second there that's worth exploring and expanding on more.

00:31:35 Speaker_03
Yeah. I'd love to see a research if it ever comes about.

00:31:39 Speaker_00
Cool. Well, thank you for that. That was perfect. Thanks for helping me discover that. So yeah, thank you.

00:31:44 Speaker_03
You're welcome. Thank you.

00:31:46 Speaker_00
All right. So I'll leave you as a panelist and we'll just mute your mic and stuff. So you can stay in the meeting. That was a great first example to get us started. So

00:32:00 Speaker_00
I'm going to go into the Q&A, and I've asked different people to submit their stories through clicking the Q&A button here in Zoom and then submitting a brief paragraph, and then people can go through and vote on those in order to help me prioritize which ones I should cover next.

00:32:19 Speaker_00
Maria, I know you were up for sharing, but you said you were having some noise issues. Is that good now? Do you feel like sharing? Yeah. Okay. I will promote you to a panelist then. All right. This is fun. We've got a good group here today.

00:32:35 Speaker_00
Thanks everyone for joining me for this live webinar to do a more casual chart reading session. I've really been enjoying this the past few months doing these. Hi. There we go.

00:32:47 Speaker_07
Hey, how's it going? Yeah. Thanks for joining me. Yeah.

00:32:53 Speaker_00
All right. So, um, what is your birth data?

00:32:57 Speaker_04
it's January 14, 1994 at 3.55 a.m. in Guatemala City, Guatemala.

00:33:06 Speaker_00
All right, so 16 Sagittarius, and we're looking at a chart for the audio listeners where you have a large stellium of several planets, the five planets in the second house in Capricorn including Mars, Neptune, Uranus, Venus, and the Sun.

00:33:24 Speaker_00
So you've got a major focus on second house placements in your life just with such a large cluster of different planets in that house. So what's your example or how's that worked out for you or what did you want to highlight for us today?

00:33:38 Speaker_04
Well, in general, in my life, the way I see that represented is I'm an artist and I've always just had a knack for making things. And I have a storage unit full of 50 paintings that I haven't sold yet.

00:33:54 Speaker_04
And I don't know if it's an investment that I'll ever pan out, but that Neptune conjunct my Mars, I have faith.

00:34:02 Speaker_04
And the last seven years, Pluto has been closely conjunct, first my Mars in Capricorn, and now it's still conjunct my Sun and now conjunct my Mercury. And I had just extreme experiences of power dynamics. and death too.

00:34:22 Speaker_04
At the end of 2017, a friend of mine committed suicide and it really, for the first time in my life, I felt able to confront the fact that I've always felt that relationship with what I don't see and with like the beyond or

00:34:42 Speaker_04
you know, thinking about the life after death. You know, I had very, like, strong experiences with with my friend who had just died, and like, feeling her and talking to her in the five months after she had died.

00:34:57 Speaker_04
And then that last year, I got married.

00:35:03 Speaker_00
actually interesting that you mentioned that, not only because of the discussion I was just having with Amelia, but also I was reviewing some of the earliest significations in the Hellenistic tradition for the second house.

00:35:17 Speaker_00
And they were oftentimes, with all of the houses, treating it as if it was a pair and that there was overlapping significations between opposing houses.

00:35:29 Speaker_00
and I was surprised that in like Rhetorius and Valens, especially in calling it the gate of Hades, the gate to the underworld, that there was sometimes connections with death and connection with the second house.

00:35:40 Speaker_00
So it's interesting that you mentioned that.

00:35:43 Speaker_04
Yeah, I mean, in this period, I've had two friends commit suicide, actually. So that happened in 2017. And then in 2019, again, I had another friend commit suicide. And again, I had a very powerful, like,

00:35:58 Speaker_04
psychic kind of experience, like where I had a dream with my friend who committed suicide first, the night that she committed suicide that my other friends committed suicide.

00:36:08 Speaker_00
CB Yeah, and it's tricky because it's like that Pluto transit at the same time, Pluto and Uranus. You have Libra on the 11th whole sign house and the ruler is Venus, which is there at 23 degrees of Capricorn.

00:36:21 Speaker_00
So you've just been getting some of those transits over the ruler of your 11th house there in the second at the same time.

00:36:30 Speaker_04
Yeah. And at the same time, I had just taken a job in India. I traveled all over the world to get there.

00:36:38 Speaker_04
And it was like an extreme power dynamic where my my employer controlled my food, my transportation, my housing, everything, because I was working in a residential boarding school that was very isolated in a mountain in India. And it was in 2017.

00:36:57 Speaker_04
and I took it in 2018 and I left 2020.

00:37:00 Speaker_00
Okay, so this was during Pluto and Capricorn basic or Saturn and Capricorn especially while Saturn is transiting through your second house?

00:37:12 Speaker_04
Yeah, well Saturn and Pluto. Saturn and Pluto, yeah, right.

00:37:17 Speaker_00
So you take a job in this in another country, and but it's the employer has extremely control over everything. And it's very, like isolated and kind of sparse.

00:37:29 Speaker_04
Yeah. And and the kind of situation where when there was conflict in between, you know, colleagues, and, you know, especially, you know, my superiors and, and the rest of us teachers, it could have repercussions that affected the way that we lived.

00:37:49 Speaker_04
our housing because we're all living together.

00:37:52 Speaker_00
It's interesting also just because your son is there at 24 Capricorn and so that's getting hit as well. And it's like the sun itself is the ruler of the ninth house of foreign places and travel.

00:38:03 Speaker_00
So it's like getting things wrapped up in the second house, especially when you have major intense second house transits.

00:38:11 Speaker_04
Yeah. And after that, the pandemic hit, I spent like nine months without working. So I was applying for a green card, worked on my art for nine months, got into the program that's the hardest to get to in painting in the world, and went.

00:38:32 Speaker_04
It was incredibly difficult. I felt like I was very idealistic about my vision of art versus what I found in the commercial art world. felt very alienated. And it was just like a hard reckoning.

00:38:47 Speaker_04
And then I got divorced, because I was a student and I wasn't working. And I, you know, I was without an income. And so it was a very difficult moment financially, like, at one point, I had zero money. And, you know, a lot of paintings to take care of.

00:39:06 Speaker_00
And when did you get divorced?

00:39:09 Speaker_04
It was legal in July 2023, last year, but we broke things up super suddenly too, like thinking about Mars and Venus together and the Mars retrograde in Gemini in November 2022.

00:39:27 Speaker_00
Okay, it was the Mars retrograde in your seventh house?

00:39:32 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:39:34 Speaker_00
Got it.

00:39:34 Speaker_04
And like you said, like, something that I said, I believe that it was one sentence I said that really eventually led to my divorce.

00:39:44 Speaker_06
Okay.

00:39:45 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:39:46 Speaker_00
Yeah. So backing up so that pandemic was really tough, especially financially for you. And that's, especially Saturn, kept going through your second house. And then

00:40:01 Speaker_00
you go into your third house, your Saturn return basically, like right around that time and after that with Saturn in the third house. And it sounds like a lot of this is focused on your painting and wanting to make a career out of that.

00:40:18 Speaker_04
Yeah. And not fully recognizing the business side of it, right? When I think about Neptune trining my midheaven, that's how it strikes me.

00:40:33 Speaker_00
CB Yeah, sometimes people with Neptune in the second can be very idealistic around finances or

00:40:42 Speaker_00
can be sometimes not very grounded around finances, which is an interesting contradiction there in your chart, since it's otherwise in Capricorn ruled by Saturn.

00:40:51 Speaker_00
So you have these tensions between groundedness and not groundedness when it comes to that topic.

00:40:59 Speaker_04
And so reckoning with not immediately making a career as an artist was very difficult. And then I thought I was going to China. I got a job in China. Um, my visa didn't work out. I had to spend like three months living with my mother.

00:41:18 Speaker_04
And then I got the job that I have now where like, I'm like roughly making it around like twice as much as I think I would have been if I, um, was like actually being successful as a commercial painter right now.

00:41:36 Speaker_00
Saturn's finally out of your, not just your second house, but also your Saturn return, which was extending that since anytime you have a Saturn return, it's going to activate both the signs Saturn is in as well as the sign that it rules.

00:41:50 Speaker_00
So it was really dragging out that second house transit that you experienced from roughly 2017 through 2020 into a longer one of Saturn through Aquarius from 2020 to 2023 as well. When did you get that job that you're working at currently?

00:42:09 Speaker_04
In December 2023. Yeah. Okay.

00:42:11 Speaker_00
Yeah. So that's perfect. So it was just months after Saturn finally departed from Aquarius and you completed your Saturn return and Saturn went into Pisces. Um, so now it's transiting through your, your, um, fourth house.

00:42:27 Speaker_00
You said at one point you were living with your mother.

00:42:29 Speaker_04
Yeah, I was living with my mother.

00:42:32 Speaker_00
When did that, what were the time, when did that start and end?

00:42:36 Speaker_04
beginning of October, and it ended in mid-December last year. CB.

00:42:41 Speaker_00
Okay, so Saturn in your fourth house coincided with a period of having to move in with your mother while Saturn was transiting through Pisces through your fourth house. That's really interesting and brilliant.

00:42:54 Speaker_00
And then you were able to move out on your own after that this year? HA.

00:42:59 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:43:00 Speaker_00
Nice. Okay. Well, that makes sense. And that's really interesting. So it seems like part of your story is one of developing financial independence, but also the tension between wanting to create and do what you love and communicate your

00:43:20 Speaker_00
artistic sensibilities, but also the tension in terms of the struggle to make money from that, which is a struggle some other famous artists have had as well, like Van Gogh, for example.

00:43:35 Speaker_04
And on the topic of life and death,

00:43:38 Speaker_04
Um, really what, you know, I always say it's like the motor of, of making art for me is, um, my family's history with, um, like persecution and, and yeah, persecution and trauma around the war in Guatemala in the eighties.

00:43:54 Speaker_04
Um, like my, my family was persecuted for nearly a decade.

00:44:01 Speaker_04
And just the questions that that left me as someone who was born 20 years after my first sibling, because I have older siblings that really helped kind of taking care of me, but who are like very traumatized by this experience of persecution that I did not go through.

00:44:15 Speaker_04
And my artwork, really, it's all in some way related to this history of war and genocide. It took me a long time to really accept that and be able to present my artwork in that context.

00:44:31 Speaker_04
And also in a way that didn't make me feel like either victimized or too vulnerable. And so for me, the past seven years, I feel like have been about that too.

00:44:39 Speaker_04
And the current job that I have, like the reason why for me, it's sometimes so hard to believe that it's that I'm doing this is because I teach university credits in high school.

00:44:50 Speaker_04
And so I, for example, now I'm teaching a class on genocide and collage and art making and just the history of fragmentation and trauma in art.

00:45:02 Speaker_04
And I feel I really feel like I'm able to express both my artistic sensibility and my kind of personal history. And yeah.

00:45:13 Speaker_00
Yeah, that makes sense.

00:45:15 Speaker_00
I feel like some of that's coming through your Saturn in the third house placement in a night chart, and I'm working on the third house episode right now and starting to research it and delving into the way that that can… I think some of your communication style

00:45:32 Speaker_00
part of your artwork may be coming through that third house placement. It's interesting also that you mentioned your siblings. So your siblings are older and they are old enough that they experienced some of that war more directly and more intimately.

00:45:46 Speaker_04
Yeah. And they also helped raise me because my mom was a single mom. So it's like I had three parents, like a single parent and at the same time, three parents.

00:45:58 Speaker_00
Okay, so they helped raise you. How many siblings do you have?

00:46:04 Speaker_04
I have four siblings, originally five, but one of them died before I was born.

00:46:11 Speaker_00
Okay, so there's some history of loss there in terms of there was an older sibling who was lost and so that probably left part of a mark on your family? Yeah. Okay. That's really interesting. Thank you for sharing that.

00:46:28 Speaker_00
There's so much there that's interesting, and it's also interesting because you're just barely post-Saturn return right now, so so much of your story still has yet to develop and will develop over the course of the next 30 years based on the foundation and the seeds that you just laid over the course of the past

00:46:50 Speaker_00
three to six years, basically, as you were having those Saturn transits through your second house and then your third house. It'll be really interesting to see in the long term how that grows and develops and how you're able to

00:47:05 Speaker_00
continue to express yourself through your artwork and find ways eventually also to have that support you perhaps or to return to that topic in the future.

00:47:13 Speaker_00
Are there any other things you think that are relevant about your second house that kind of stand out to you? Or like in this instance, was there ever any connection between money and or finances and siblings, for example?

00:47:29 Speaker_04
Yeah. I mean, when I say my siblings helped raise me, I mean, my older brother

00:47:34 Speaker_04
uh, you know, Frequently like paid things for me, you know, uh, either related to medication or to my recreation in some way, like my two older siblings have always been super generous. Um, and because.

00:47:50 Speaker_04
You know, I, I, I'm living abroad and it's kind of a big deal. They just kind of been wanting to support that for me.

00:47:58 Speaker_00
it. That's awesome.

00:47:59 Speaker_00
I love that with that connection just with the ruler of the second house being in the third house of siblings and having Saturn being in its own sign and having some positive things come as a result of that placement, even though it's also an area where there's some challenge as well since it's a night chart.

00:48:18 Speaker_00
And having Venus there, having Venus, Kazemi, just about Kazemi with the Sun in the 2nd house is pretty fortunate in the long term.

00:48:28 Speaker_00
And then having Mars as the ruler of the 5th house of creativity in the 2nd house conjunct Neptune is also where some of that overlapping creativity is coming from. Yeah, that's brilliant.

00:48:41 Speaker_00
There's so much there, but I think that's a really great example. Thank you so much for sharing it.

00:48:48 Speaker_04
Thank you so much for letting me be here.

00:48:51 Speaker_00
Yeah so some people in the live chat Izzy says is there like an Instagram or a website to see to follow your artwork or do you have anything up for that?

00:48:59 Speaker_04
Yeah my I'm gonna put my Instagram in the chat I'm at aguilar underscore marias um then I have some writing in my website I have a bit of a writing blog.

00:49:13 Speaker_07
Cool all right um put it in the chat and Let me see if I can put it up really quickly just so I have it in the recording.

00:49:26 Speaker_00
Is this it?

00:49:30 Speaker_04
Yeah, that's it.

00:49:32 Speaker_00
Cool. All right. Well, people can check out your watching the video version. They can see it and see some of your artwork. Wow, that's really amazing.

00:49:40 Speaker_04
Thank you.

00:49:40 Speaker_04
And, and, you know, the, the, this idea of bringing up like death in critique has been like, like a central topic in my education, just, you know, what it means to like, um, have people criticize something that it's one, like so deep, but also so taboo.

00:49:56 Speaker_04
It's like the, you know, in art school, they call it the room of silence. Um, yeah.

00:50:04 Speaker_00
Yeah, and just the topic of life and the absence of life, but the taboo surrounding that, that's an interesting thing.

00:50:13 Speaker_00
Saturn in the third house sometimes could be about not communicating or having a difficulty communicating things, but in that instance of what you're talking about, you're talking about things that are almost focusing on things that people find difficult to communicate about or that people usually don't talk about, but talking about them more openly.

00:50:34 Speaker_04
Yeah. And the other way I see the, the, the communication bit is just the language. Like English is not my first language. And so, and I used to stutter and just take me a long time to be able to speak in English and not stutter. Yeah.

00:50:49 Speaker_00
Okay, nice. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. That's a really common thing for Saturn in the third house.

00:50:55 Speaker_00
I might have to interview you again when I do my third house episode because you have great third house stuff going on that makes a lot of sense in terms of all of that.

00:51:05 Speaker_00
But it's also a good story just in terms of you're obviously very fluent and a good speaker now. So Saturn's always something that gets better with time and with work and effort and things like that. it's nice encouragement.

00:51:17 Speaker_00
I think also, especially for younger people that might still be struggling with things like that, that there's a possibility to work on or to overcome things.

00:51:25 Speaker_04
Yeah, definitely.

00:51:26 Speaker_07
Cool.

00:51:27 Speaker_00
All right.

00:51:27 Speaker_07
Thank you so much. Yeah. All right. Bye. Awesome. That was a great example.

00:51:38 Speaker_00
I feel like we're getting to some pretty deep things here at this point, and this is going even better than I was hoping. All right, so let me see who's next.

00:51:51 Speaker_00
Everybody can vote on by hitting the like button next to the ones that you think I should answer next, and then I'll try to prioritize those. Alright, so it looks like Don is the next one that everyone has voted. Don, are you here?

00:52:09 Speaker_00
And are you up for doing a chat? Okay, so it's gonna have you leave and rejoin. And while I'm waiting, definitely, I'm starting to collect third house examples, I think I'm going to focus

00:52:25 Speaker_00
primarily on celebrity examples first for the first one, like I did last time. So if anybody has any good third house celebrity examples that really stand out to you, then please, um, send them in. You can.

00:52:38 Speaker_00
I'll put out an open call for those soon, potentially, I think, especially on Twitter and Facebook.

00:52:44 Speaker_01
I'm here.

00:52:45 Speaker_00
Oh, you're here. Oh, there you are.

00:52:46 Speaker_01
Hey, sorry.

00:52:48 Speaker_00
I didn't hear you or see you for a minute. All right. So let's do this then. What's your birth data?

00:52:55 Speaker_01
February 3rd, 1966. What time? 541 AM.

00:53:03 Speaker_07
Okay.

00:53:06 Speaker_01
In Bridgeport, Connecticut.

00:53:09 Speaker_00
And you're ascendant is 17 Capricorn? Yes. All right, so here's your chart, 17 Capricorn rising in your second house.

00:53:20 Speaker_00
We have a retrograde Venus at one degree of Aquarius, and then we have a Sun-Mercury conjunction with Mercury at 12 and the Sun at 14 of Aquarius, and the ruler of the second house is Saturn.

00:53:34 Speaker_00
Interestingly, in the third house, just like our last chart example in the night chart, where Mars is placed as well. So tell me about your chart in your life and what's your second house example?

00:53:48 Speaker_01
Well, I didn't plan any of this, but I'm by trade a chef. On the day Pluto entered Aquarius, I quit my job on a whim. It was a bad day.

00:54:05 Speaker_00
When you quit your job as a chef.

00:54:07 Speaker_01
Yes.

00:54:08 Speaker_00
And how long had you been doing it at that point?

00:54:12 Speaker_01
That particular job, not very long, but, uh, being a chef my whole life.

00:54:17 Speaker_00
Okay. So you had a really bad day and you quit your job and Pluto was conjoining your Venus.

00:54:25 Speaker_01
Pluto. Yes. It was at zero, zero, uh, Aquarius that day.

00:54:31 Speaker_00
Do you know what day it was?

00:54:33 Speaker_01
February 2nd, it was the day before my birthday. CB.

00:54:37 Speaker_00
Oh, wow. Okay. So let me, February 2nd of what this year? Yes. Okay. There it is. Yeah. We see Pluto. Pluto is not just at zero Aquarius. It's at zero 24 Aquarius. So let's say, yeah, it's very close to your, your Venus. Yeah.

00:54:59 Speaker_01
Um, the other thing is it's not second house, but on when Pluto, uh, conjoined my ascendant, I had an opportunity to go to an art class and I ended up falling love at first sight as an artist. And that's part of the impetus to quit.

00:55:18 Speaker_01
You know, I just kept wanting to do art and astrology more than I wanted to be a chef. And, um,

00:55:28 Speaker_01
But yes, that day I quit my job, which allowed me to drive to Los Angeles on March 5th, which I think is another, I think maybe Pluto was exact on that day, my Venus.

00:55:47 Speaker_00
Yeah, it was. That was the exact day that Pluto was conjoining your Venus.

00:55:51 Speaker_01
Yeah, so I was, I drove to LA for my daughter's 40th birthday party. I met these two men. who we wanted to do this philosophical experiment together. And I just had such a great time with my daughter.

00:56:06 Speaker_01
I decided to quit my life in Massachusetts and move to New Mexico, which was the closest state I felt comfortable moving to California, where it was within a day's drive.

00:56:20 Speaker_00
Of where your daughter lives?

00:56:23 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:56:24 Speaker_00
Okay. So, and there's this thing, the audio, it's like Venus is actually ruling your 10th whole sign house of career as well as your fifth house of children.

00:56:34 Speaker_00
So that's part of the reason why when you're having this exact Pluto transit, you're both making major changes in terms of your career, but also there's important stuff happening in terms of your daughter. She was getting married during that trip.

00:56:48 Speaker_00
That's why you took it.

00:56:49 Speaker_01
Oh no, she turned 40. She has a cool like home goods store and I went out to do a show with my art, that's why I drove.

00:57:03 Speaker_01
And we just had the best time that we agreed we would do some work later on where I would pick furniture for her store in my area and then we'd get to visit each other on the regular. So that was the plan.

00:57:20 Speaker_01
And New Mexico was a good straight shot to Los Angeles. And also business in Texas, there's a big show in Texas that we wanted to do. So it was in the middle of both.

00:57:36 Speaker_00
CB. Okay. Got it. That's also interesting because March, of course, just starting later that month and in early April, of course, was the beginning of eclipse season.

00:57:49 Speaker_00
And I see the nodes transiting right in the middle of your 4th house and your 10th house.

00:57:54 Speaker_00
You're having major eclipses in your 10th and 4th during this entire period, and you're deciding to move and relocate with the eclipses in your 4th house, but also having major career beginnings and endings with eclipses in your 10th house during this year and a half long period at the same time.

00:58:12 Speaker_01
Right. And it's funny because the, uh, realtor, when I got home, I called my realtor friend and she listed the house and the open house for the, my home was the weekend before the eclipse on. Was it the 7th, 6th, 6th or 7th of April, April. Yeah.

00:58:38 Speaker_01
That Monday. was the eclipse, I believe.

00:58:43 Speaker_00
6th, 7th, and this is, um, yeah, the eclipse took place on the 8th and this was what the. Yes.

00:58:52 Speaker_01
The open house for my house was the 6th and the 7th. Um, there was such a buzz about it that she, um, she said best and final, and we got like eight off eight offers. And we decided on the day of the eclipse that the 8th. which offer I would take.

00:59:15 Speaker_00
Wow. Okay. That's incredible.

00:59:17 Speaker_01
Yeah.

00:59:18 Speaker_00
Perfect. And something I noticed actually earlier, I forgot to mention. So it was a month earlier that you were out there in, um, what day was it? March, March 5th. And that was the day you're out there.

00:59:33 Speaker_00
And is this when you make the decision to sell your house or, or this was just a trip?

00:59:40 Speaker_01
No, I decided to sell while I was there. CB.

00:59:44 Speaker_00
Okay.

00:59:44 Speaker_00
So what I thought was interesting about that, because I was highlighting different things, of course, but transiting Jupiter is at 12 degrees of Taurus, and it's exactly conjoining your IC almost at 12 degrees of Taurus in the 5th whole sign house.

01:00:00 Speaker_00
So this is actually a perfect demonstration of that principle that I always talk about of needing to pay attention to how

01:00:07 Speaker_00
the degree of the IC can import 4th house significations into whatever whole sign house it falls, just because what we have here with your IC falling in the 5th house is like a doubling up of home situation significations with children and creativity significations, because you're out there visiting your daughter

01:00:34 Speaker_00
um also having this this show of your work and then you make this decision to move partially in order to be closer to your daughter yes yeah that's cool yeah that's that's beautiful so and that's again just to reiterate for people that's transiting jupiter conjoining the degree of the ic in the fifth house and then on this trip it goes evidently so well that you make this decision to move where were you moving from or what were you living at the time

01:01:03 Speaker_01
I lived in Massachusetts, Western Mass.

01:01:08 Speaker_00
CB. Okay. Yeah. So you're literally moving to the other, you've decided to move to the other side of the country? RM.

01:01:13 Speaker_01
Yeah.

01:01:14 Speaker_00
CB. And then you evidently accomplish it by selling your house only four weeks later, essentially on the day of a solar eclipse in Aries, your fourth whole sign house? RM. Yes. CB. That's interesting. That's honestly really stunning.

01:01:28 Speaker_00
And it's a really good demonstration also of just why you need to pay attention to and why they both work and are relevant of paying attention to.

01:01:37 Speaker_00
For example, the degree of the IC and that being relevant in terms of having a sort of 4th-5th house transit with Jupiter conjoining your IC in the 5th whole sign house, but then having that eclipse in your 4th whole sign house and that obviously being

01:01:55 Speaker_00
a fourth house transit then in the fourth sign because you sell your house or you decide to take that offer on the very day of that eclipse in your fourth whole sign house?

01:02:06 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's just a great demonstration of that principle, so I hope everyone internalized that because that's what I see come up over and over again in client and celebrity cases, but it's sometimes very hard for me to convey that principle to people.

01:02:21 Speaker_00
When I say it, it sounds kind of abstract, but I think when you see it in an example like this, it's really good.

01:02:27 Speaker_00
All right, so you sell your house, or you agree to take that offer on April 8th, like the day of the eclipse, and then what happens after that?

01:02:41 Speaker_01
May 15th, I close on the house. I think that's a Friday, and then I leave I put my things in storage and I drive across the country with all my plants, which I have a lot of, to go to an Airbnb in New Mexico in Albuquerque.

01:03:05 Speaker_00
Okay, got it.

01:03:10 Speaker_01
So I arrive on the 20th in Albuquerque. Um, I always rent a house. You know, not attached to anything just for safety. I just feel more comfortable.

01:03:22 Speaker_01
And, um, turns out that the woman who owned the Airbnb had a little casita behind and she just walked into my. rental stole my bag with my wallet and my ID, actually my social security card, because I was moving, and my computer, which

01:03:50 Speaker_01
I'm pretty sure was dead because I'd been watching TV on the couch. So I brought my phone into the room, the bedroom with me. She walked in. I'm pretty sure it was around 4 a.m.

01:04:02 Speaker_01
because her dog was barking and then it woke me up and then it stopped barking. So that was the Persephone journey, the start of the Persephone journey.

01:04:17 Speaker_07
got it.

01:04:20 Speaker_00
Just looking through, it's interesting, Pluto stationed around that time in early May at two degrees of Aquarius, very close to your Venus there in the second house. So it's interesting having that experience of having something stolen.

01:04:35 Speaker_00
You're also right in the midst of your exact Saturn return in the third house, and I think it's fascinating that you're traveling at that time. You're doing this cross-country journey essentially in your car.

01:04:50 Speaker_00
All right, so you had that experience of theft at that time in the place that you were staying. And then what else happened?

01:05:03 Speaker_01
Then I, with my daughter's help, I, I, my next, I was only staying in Albuquerque for a week, but obviously I didn't feel safe. So my next Airbnb was in Taos, New Mexico. I could not bring my plants into the hotel. because I had about 30 in my car.

01:05:29 Speaker_01
So every day, I would, for those five days, I would drive, take long drives with the AC on because it was so hot. And I ended up finding this place, Fort Garland, Colorado, just because it was one of the drives I took.

01:05:55 Speaker_01
which I guess that doesn't sound that amazing, but the synchronicities of me in this house and me and the guy who died are incredible.

01:06:07 Speaker_00
So you found a place to stay temporarily or that you decided to stay in? No, I was in the hotel for five days.

01:06:20 Speaker_01
And then just driving up and around the area to keep my plants from dying, I found this place that I live in now.

01:06:31 Speaker_00
And, um, what day or what timeframe was that?

01:06:35 Speaker_01
Um, that was a holiday. Was it, what is, is it Memorial day?

01:06:40 Speaker_00
Oh yeah. At the end of may.

01:06:43 Speaker_01
Yeah, it was, it was, I think this, that, that Saturday of the holiday weekend.

01:06:51 Speaker_00
I know that's around… I don't know if somebody in the chat can look up when Memorial Day… Norwalk always takes place that weekend, so I think that's around the 24th. It looks like that's a Thursday.

01:07:01 Speaker_00
I do see Mercury transiting over 12 Taurus over the degree of your IC leading up to that. Okay, so you found this place and you decided that that's where you were going to land and move into?

01:07:19 Speaker_01
Yes. And I actually don't remember, but I, because I lost my license, I knew I, I had the money from the sale of my house and I knew I needed to buy another house because I only had an Airbnb for a month and a few days.

01:07:39 Speaker_01
So I drove back to Massachusetts somewhere in here, got my license sorted out, which they were going to mail back to me, but all of my mail just went missing like it disappeared. Some of it I still don't have.

01:08:02 Speaker_01
So the license had disappeared for most of this time. And meanwhile, I move into the next Airbnb, which was on the 27th in Taos. The 27th of May? Yeah. Okay. And this guy is a creep. He was using basically the Airbnb as a dating service kind of thing.

01:08:32 Speaker_01
So we had our issues. He kept just showing up, wanting to do stupid stuff like gardening or pick up a bag or whatever. So the two Airbnbs, I don't know how to describe it.

01:08:52 Speaker_01
It just felt like the communication of having to talk to Airbnb over and over about the theft.

01:09:00 Speaker_01
And now about this guy, I actually didn't speak to them about the guy until he, um, he actually kicked, he locked me out of the Airbnb on July 5th because I told him.

01:09:19 Speaker_01
to leave me alone over and over, and he finally understood that I really wanted him to leave me alone.

01:09:27 Speaker_00
CB Yeah, there was different stuff, like transiting Saturn, stationed finally in late June, so that would intensify things with your Saturn return and travels in your third house, and then Mars passed over your IC at 12, leading up to that. Um, okay.

01:09:49 Speaker_01
So also the house, I bought the house on, um, I think it was the 19th. Well, I was supposed to buy the house on June 19th. That's the date. The, the realtor had set the, uh, closing on, but that ended up being a holiday Juneteenth. Um,

01:10:14 Speaker_01
which because of my trying to get ID to be able to even buy a house, I didn't notice. I ended up going across two, three times more because everything was gone.

01:10:32 Speaker_01
Like I, the conundrum of and catch 22 of how do you buy a house or do any or move somewhere? or get anything without having any way to prove you are you.

01:10:45 Speaker_01
I also didn't have access to any of my money, which probably was the most money I ever had in my bank account ever. So it was this weird situation.

01:10:58 Speaker_01
And those guys that I met in California that I thought were so cool and we were gonna do this thing together, one of them ended up calling me to borrow money from me. which was hilarious. I couldn't even access my own money.

01:11:16 Speaker_00
Right? So yes, it's like Saturn stationing around this time and intensification of your Saturn return transit in the third house, you're like, relocating and then also having challenges with financial stuff.

01:11:30 Speaker_00
And yeah, Pluto is just exactly hitting your Venus again at this time. So I'd like to bring this to some sort of close. So what was the end to this whole story?

01:11:43 Speaker_01
The end of the story is that the guy who owned this house was, he died in February on the 14th in the house, the house was just ransacked. is a gay man and his brother is religious. And so he had a lot of persecution.

01:12:07 Speaker_01
Anyway, even though I'm not gay, I had a lot of religious persecution growing up. My family didn't speak to me. I felt like this is my house. I have to protect it because it's so beautiful. I ended up meeting the people because he was a writer.

01:12:31 Speaker_01
Basically dreams come true kind of situation where this house is my dream house and I'm now friends with the people he's friends with. They are into the writing I'm doing. I basically am the new caretaker of this beautiful property.

01:12:55 Speaker_00
Okay, nice.

01:12:56 Speaker_01
Yeah, gotten unless I was robbed.

01:13:00 Speaker_00
Right? Because it pushed you to go into a different place that you wouldn't have had or or why? What's the direct connection with that?

01:13:08 Speaker_01
The connection is that I was, um, my, all my plants were in my car and they would have died in the hotel.

01:13:17 Speaker_01
So for that five day period, I would drive to different locations within an hour or two of Taos, New Mexico, ended up driving into this location.

01:13:29 Speaker_00
Okay, that's kind of interesting in terms of the third house and driving around the neighborhood before you eventually find the place that you wanted to settle in. Okay, so let's see.

01:13:42 Speaker_00
To wrap things up, I just had a few questions about universal things about your life. One, do you have siblings?

01:13:51 Speaker_01
I have four sisters and a brother.

01:13:56 Speaker_00
Okay. Um, was that an area of like challenge or was there any challenge there? Um, I mean, I guess that's going to get us way too into like third house stuff. So maybe I should make that. Maybe I should condense this and just ask.

01:14:11 Speaker_00
I thought it was interesting that you have the ruler of the second and the third, like the previous person, was there ever any connection between finances and siblings in your life in some way that was like striking?

01:14:26 Speaker_01
Well, right before all of this happened, my dad who my parents are. I say I was raised feral there for lots of reasons they were not good parents, and we just put my dad in care.

01:14:42 Speaker_01
He said he would have money for his children, but it's, he's going to end up using it all. Um, so I had to deal with that right before I left. And that was also part of the reason why I left.

01:14:56 Speaker_01
So I didn't have to deal with my siblings, but, um, or any of my family for a lot of reasons. Um, so it was kind of a cutting ties moving out here too.

01:15:11 Speaker_00
about it. So your relationship with your siblings is not very good.

01:15:15 Speaker_01
Well, since I was, uh, in my early twenties, most of them don't speak to me because of their religion. And then the other two, because of just upbringing, our upbringing was bad. They are just traumatized and, um, didn't do any work on themselves.

01:15:34 Speaker_01
So, you know, you can speak to them, but it's not, you don't get real far.

01:15:40 Speaker_00
Okay. Yeah. In researching the third house episode right now, I'm reading Rhetorius, one of our earliest sources, and it keeps emphasizing religious themes in the third house.

01:15:51 Speaker_00
So I'm actually curious about that because you've mentioned that a couple of times now about how there's been... There were challenges involving religion for you from early on. What was the deal with that?

01:16:04 Speaker_01
Basically, the story of the Scarlet Letter. When I was 12 my parents moved separated and we moved to a very rural place from a not so rural place and my mom became a Jehovah's Witness. I rebelled being an Aquarius and I

01:16:28 Speaker_01
met a boy at the kingdom hall and we didn't do anything wrong. We just were, you know, secretly dating at night since I was probably 15, I think. And so the religion at the time kicked people out who didn't follow the rules. And so

01:16:53 Speaker_01
Even though I hadn't had sex at the time, somebody had told on me saying I had, and so I got kicked out of the religion over and over and over and over and over again, from age 15 until probably I don't know, the last time.

01:17:14 Speaker_01
But I ended up becoming a Jehovah's Witness for two years. It was terrible. And then I got kicked out the last time in my early 20s. And then now none of my family speaks to me. CB.

01:17:27 Speaker_00
Okay. And did your siblings convert to it as well? And is that part of the tension with them?

01:17:33 Speaker_01
Yes, all but two converted to that religion. And then the other two, one became religious with a different religion, and then the other one is just sort of just not religious at all.

01:17:50 Speaker_00
Okay. And that's interesting because it's one of the things that characterizes it and what little I know about it is they have very strict religious rules and observations about what you can't do, what you can and cannot do, which is very Saturnian.

01:18:05 Speaker_00
One of the things I'm focusing on here is just that you have Saturn in the third house in a night chart. So it's your most challenging planet, but it's also the ruler of your Ascendant as well as your second house of finances.

01:18:17 Speaker_00
it's interesting that having the ruler of the 1st house of self in the 3rd house and that it is that Saturn that part of the tension then becomes as your rejection of some of those religious restrictions that your family has gotten into then sort of alienated you from them to some extent from your mother and from your siblings.

01:18:39 Speaker_00
The 4th whole sign house is Aries, and it's actually ruled by Mars, which is in the 3rd house with Saturn. So it's tying in both the parents, tying the parents as well as the siblings into that difficult cluster.

01:18:53 Speaker_00
And it's interesting, your rebellion against that and standing out with Saturn at 15 degrees of Pisces opposite to your Uranus at 18 Virgo and your Pluto at 17 Virgo and just the sort of tension there surrounding it. Yeah, but I'm glad.

01:19:12 Speaker_00
So this is your second Saturn return then, part of what you're experiencing right now, and part of your experience then and the significance of this trip in terms of

01:19:22 Speaker_00
the broader overall meaning of your life is you're really finally also, in your second Saturn return, breaking away completely from all of that and moving away from your family and from that entire part of the country, and in some ways, a final rejection of that.

01:19:39 Speaker_00
And you're relocating and setting up an entirely new life on the other side of the country,

01:19:45 Speaker_00
partially to be closer to your daughter, but also there's a broader context of that in terms of finally achieving some independence from all of the family stuff as well. Exactly. That's beautiful.

01:19:58 Speaker_07
Thank you.

01:20:00 Speaker_00
Yeah, all right. I think that makes sense. And this is amazing because this is doubling up then not just for second house stuff, which is what this webinar was supposed to be focused on.

01:20:12 Speaker_00
But ironically, we're really getting into like third house stuff pretty heavily at this point as well. But that's actually great, because that's the episode I'm preparing for next. And I think this is starting to help me

01:20:23 Speaker_00
see some of the ways I need to approach that episode and some of the topics and themes that come up when the third house is prominent in a person's chart. But that's really beautiful, and I'm glad for you that you're

01:20:36 Speaker_00
you've done that and you've made that choice and that it seems like you're laying a good foundation for you in your life that's going to grow and develop for many years to come.

01:20:46 Speaker_00
The start of a new 30-year Saturn cycle, not to mention laying those new foundations in terms of the eclipses in your 4th house and your 10th house and the

01:20:55 Speaker_00
beginnings and endings in terms of both your career as well as your home and your living situation, as well as family for that matter. So that's really brilliant and beautiful. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for sharing this with us.

01:21:09 Speaker_01
Thank you for letting me.

01:21:11 Speaker_00
Yeah. Do you have any last final thoughts about your second house of finances or anything that we forgot to mention in terms of how those placements have worked out for you in some ways universally?

01:21:24 Speaker_01
Um, well, just like the last example said, Maria, was it Maria? Um, that it, or someone, I don't remember. Anyway, it's been like this roller coaster of finances where I will have a job where I make so much money and then I,

01:21:45 Speaker_01
will go to like, right before I sold my house, I had so little money in the bank. And then, you know, then not having access to my money. So it's, it's like this weird roller coaster that I've kind of gotten used to throughout my life.

01:22:01 Speaker_01
And I semi like, um, of just going with the flow.

01:22:08 Speaker_00
CB. Yeah. You both have just a very similar thing in terms of having Venus in the night chart as the most positive placement in the second house, but then it's like the ruler is Saturn. which is the most challenging planet.

01:22:21 Speaker_00
And so you kind of get this alternation where it goes back and forth between sometimes having very positive things happening in that area and other times sometimes having very challenging things come up in that area so that it's distinctive for leaning towards extremes at different times.

01:22:38 Speaker_00
With your Sun there, sometimes when people have the Sun in the 7th house, I noticed that a lot of their identity can sometimes be around

01:22:50 Speaker_00
they're with, like what their relationships are, for example, or if the son's in the 10th house around their career, if it's in their 11th house, their friends, is there a way in which your identity sometimes can be tied in with what you're doing or what you're doing for your livelihood or things like that?

01:23:07 Speaker_00
Like when you were a chef, how much did you identify with that as like part of your work being part of your identity?

01:23:17 Speaker_01
That's a great question because I got, I was a cooking instructor at the school and a woman came in and said, hey, come to this art class I'm teaching. And it was an oil painting class and it was pivotal. It was just love at first sight.

01:23:38 Speaker_01
I absolutely, just like I quit my life now, I did the same when that happened and I got a waitressing job because I was like, I can't do anything. I can't be a chef and be a artist. So I ended up being a waitress so that I had time to be able to paint.

01:24:02 Speaker_01
And people would say, it was very awkward for me because I'd been a chef my whole life. People would say, oh, what do you do? And I didn't feel comfortable saying I was an artist.

01:24:15 Speaker_01
And I didn't feel comfortable saying I was a waitress, not because there's anything wrong with it, but it just felt like it wasn't me. So it was this whole egoic death that I went through stopping saying that I was a chef.

01:24:33 Speaker_00
Okay. And that's part of the Pluto transit as well as it's like an ego death of what you used to identify with as you're making this transition into what you're starting to become.

01:24:44 Speaker_01
Exactly.

01:24:45 Speaker_00
Nice. Okay. Yeah, it just keeps coming back to that, especially Venus ruling your 10th house career and having that Pluto transit, and then that also awakening something about your 5th house of creativity at the same time.

01:25:02 Speaker_00
So it'll be really interesting to see how that continues to grow and develop as Pluto continues to have that transit over your Venus and some of that transformation is completed and then moves through into eventually your Mercury and your Sun later on and what sort of additional

01:25:20 Speaker_00
of transformations are in store in terms of the way you communicate or the way that you identify with what you do for a living.

01:25:29 Speaker_00
But this past year or two of Pluto starting to dip into Aquarius has been not just that Venus transit itself getting activated, but also just a

01:25:39 Speaker_00
preview of that entire process that'll play out over the course of the next 10 to 20 years as Pluto makes its way further into Aquarius and moves through your second house in its entirety. KS.

01:25:53 Speaker_01
Yeah, I'm actually excited about it.

01:25:56 Speaker_00
Yeah, it seems really exciting.

01:25:57 Speaker_00
It seems like you've reached a great time in your life where you've put some things in the past that are probably you're ready to move beyond and also to open up and fully step into some things that maybe you've wanted to do for a long time, but now it's finally time to do it.

01:26:16 Speaker_01
Yeah, exactly. And my Jupiter return is coming up as well, which is pretty cool.

01:26:22 Speaker_00
Yeah, keep going. That's all right. Um, cool. Well, I think that's a good stopping point. So thank you so much for sharing your example.

01:26:30 Speaker_00
And I look forward to hearing at some point and having like a check-in or a follow-up to hear how it all continued to play out.

01:26:36 Speaker_07
Okay, cool. All right. Thank you. My pleasure. All right. This is amazing.

01:26:46 Speaker_00
Um, let me check the chat. Yeah, thank you, Eva. Eva says, I appreciate how Chris takes his time with all the delineations. I enjoy watching him work a chart.

01:26:58 Speaker_00
I love it also sometimes where you have disparate events, but I've been experiencing this a lot over the past month, especially when I was doing the second house episode and I was going through celebrity charts.

01:27:10 Speaker_00
And recently, now that I'm doing the third house episode, sometimes I'll have somebody like a celebrity like Jim Carrey, for example.

01:27:16 Speaker_00
I mentioned Jim Carrey in the first house episode in passing, and he had Neptune on the Ascendant, and then I was having some sense of that.

01:27:24 Speaker_00
But recently, he has some third house placements, so I've been returning to his chart and researching his life.

01:27:29 Speaker_00
And sometimes you look at a chart and you see certain placements, and you don't really know how that works out, or you have some abstract notion of

01:27:38 Speaker_00
what the combination of those two things means, but you don't know how that actually works out in the person's life.

01:27:44 Speaker_00
But then you start reading their biography, and their chart starts to come alive, and you start to go through this process of realization of how the placements actually work out in very striking ways in describing their life.

01:27:57 Speaker_00
It's nice to have that experience in researching celebrity charts.

01:28:00 Speaker_00
It's also nice to have that experience when you're just talking to clients or any individual about their chart and seeing the picture come together in its totality of not just what the person's chart is and what it means about their life universally, but also sometimes like just now

01:28:17 Speaker_00
the specific slice of their life that they're currently in and what all of the events are about.

01:28:23 Speaker_00
Seeing the totality of that come about in the transits is really amazing sometimes, and it's nice to be able to have those conversations about it and just see it all come together. There's something really fulfilling about that.

01:28:36 Speaker_00
So all right, I want to take a little break for a few minutes to go grab a drink, but then I'll come back and we'll continue maybe doing another couple of examples because I was shooting for about two hours today.

01:28:48 Speaker_00
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01:29:02 Speaker_00
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01:29:22 Speaker_00
For more information, visit patreon.com slash astrology podcast. All right, I'm back from break, so this is going really well. I want to talk to the next person who submitted a story that was upvoted the most, which is Will Aquino.

01:29:40 Speaker_00
So let me promote you to a panelist right now. There we go. Hey. Thanks for joining me. What's your birth data?

01:29:53 Speaker_02
Oh yeah, I didn't have a chance to put it in there. It is September 5th, 1986, 321 a.m.

01:29:57 Speaker_07
in Reno, Nevada. Right. Is your ascendant for Leah? That is correct.

01:30:09 Speaker_00
Okay. September 5th, happy recent birthday.

01:30:13 Speaker_07
Thank you.

01:30:16 Speaker_00
All right, so here's your chart.

01:30:17 Speaker_00
You have a chart with Leo rising, you have a Sun-Mercury conjunction or Kazemi at 12 degrees of Virgo in the second house, and the Moon is also in the second house at 26 degrees of Virgo, and they are opposite to Jupiter at 18 degrees of Pisces.

01:30:35 Speaker_00
So what is your second house example or what did you want to share?

01:30:39 Speaker_02
I have a couple of different things. I just went through a second house perfection year.

01:30:46 Speaker_02
I feel like it's because of the opposition there to, to Jupiter that like, I had some good, like some good times with financial gains and then some like really big debts as well. So like they both were kind of like popping in there.

01:31:04 Speaker_02
Um, also like Venus recently transited my, my second house, like last month, all the last month that she was going through Virgo. She just brought all kinds, cause she, she's the, um, benefic of sex.

01:31:19 Speaker_02
Also the role of the third and 10th, like she brought not only a bunch of gains, like really, really, really good money last month.

01:31:30 Speaker_02
Um, she also helped me make different connections that are going to help me with my creative project that I'm going to do. Um, where it's going to be, um,

01:31:41 Speaker_02
talking a little bit about astrology, but other aspects of things that people can do to get to know themselves.

01:31:50 Speaker_00
So you have Leo rising with the ruler of the Ascendant as the Sun in the second house of finances. And how does that topic show up in your life? Did you say you work in finance?

01:32:06 Speaker_02
No, I don't work in finance. Right now, right now actually what I'm working on is probably something where that's going to show up a lot more.

01:32:17 Speaker_02
I'm working on a project called as within with will, and it'll be going over like just a bunch of things that would connect also the the Uranus there in the fifth.

01:32:30 Speaker_02
And basically what I'll be doing is going over different ways that people can get in touch with themselves, get to know themselves on different levels, and then be able to use that to live in the world in an authentic manner.

01:32:42 Speaker_02
And one of the things I do personally is I'm an astrologer, so I'm able to link a lot of these different things together in that sense. But I wonder also, since

01:32:52 Speaker_02
Mercury is traditionally the ruler of astrology, if that has something to do with the connection there to astrology as well, and Jupiter in the 8th maybe.

01:33:01 Speaker_00
Right. Yeah, for sure. So the second house perfection year that you're talking about is the one that you just got out of in the past.

01:33:08 Speaker_02
Yeah. Yeah, I just just finished it.

01:33:11 Speaker_00
So you just finished the second house perfection year and you said it was kind of like alternating between sometimes being finances were very good for you in this past year and having windfalls like when Venus was going through your second house.

01:33:24 Speaker_00
But other times there were challenges and you were having some some struggles with it.

01:33:30 Speaker_02
Yeah, struggles with debts, big debts popping up throughout the year, actually.

01:33:36 Speaker_00
Yeah, it's like that Saturn transit through Pisces has just been hovering all over your Jupiter placement in the 8th house, and then sometimes opposing your 2nd house placement. So I could see how that would cause some tensions.

01:33:53 Speaker_00
So it's just debts from the past that you're having to deal with, or is it more recent debts that you've had to take on?

01:34:01 Speaker_02
They're more recent deaths that I'm taking on that I've been taking on and some deaths from the past as well.

01:34:06 Speaker_00
But but like There's been a mixed bag with debts Okay, yeah you have Jupiter in the eighth house in Pisces, I knew somebody once that had that where they had a knack for like

01:34:28 Speaker_00
getting money from other people or other people would like donate them money and support them financially in different ways. And it was actually quite striking the extent to which that seemed to play a major role in their life.

01:34:41 Speaker_00
With Saturn transiting that house, you may not be feeling that right now, but do you feel like there's been times in your life where you've had financial windfalls from other people or in which somehow other people played a major role in helping you financially?

01:34:57 Speaker_02
Yeah, like I've had it go kind of both ways where like, I definitely have been helped out by people financially, but I also do a lot of help financially. Cause I don't really have much, um, I don't put much value on money itself.

01:35:09 Speaker_02
Like part of me wants to, part of me sees that like it's necessary, but the other part of me is like, whatever I can make it. It'll like, it always makes its way back in. Like Jupiter there just, I guess, makes me super optimistic and like,

01:35:23 Speaker_02
it always comes through. I always have enough because I'm always giving. I just feel like that's just kind of the way it works.

01:35:28 Speaker_00
CB. Okay, nice. And I'm trying to think of what else in terms of the concrete examples. So you have Mercury in its own domicile as the ruler of the second, which is a positive placement in terms of finances, and indications for finances.

01:35:50 Speaker_00
And then Mercury's also ruling the 11th House of Friends. So I guess I was curious if you've ever had a connection in some way between your personal finances and your friendships or alliances that stood out.

01:36:05 Speaker_02
Oh, definitely. I've had many opportunities where it's been either friends that have helped Like support me throughout different periods of time, but then they also like refer me clients and stuff when for astrology readings.

01:36:22 Speaker_02
Um, so like, it's very connected in that sense as well. Like I have friends, actually, my siblings have helped out with that aspect as well, where they'll. They'll refer me clients and then I'll have clients that refer me other like clients.

01:36:36 Speaker_02
And right now, like the project that I'm working on is going to hopefully give me like an audience as well there in the 11th to. to draw on more of that aspect of things. CB.

01:36:50 Speaker_00
Nice. Okay. Yeah, you have Venus in Libra in a night chart in the third house and also ruling the 10th house. So I guess since we've been talking so much about the second and the third, I might as well ask. So you do have siblings.

01:37:03 Speaker_00
What's your relationship with them like? It's positive? JR.

01:37:07 Speaker_02
Yeah, I love my siblings. CB.

01:37:09 Speaker_00
Okay. Do you have a lot of siblings?

01:37:11 Speaker_02
I have a whole lot of siblings, like an ungodly amount of siblings.

01:37:17 Speaker_00
Give me, give me like a ballpark number.

01:37:20 Speaker_02
We're going to say over 12. Wow.

01:37:23 Speaker_00
Okay. That's incredible.

01:37:26 Speaker_02
Yeah. Like on top of that, I've got like, um, People that aren't necessarily blood family that are also considered family.

01:37:33 Speaker_02
And then like, it's interesting to me because I've got the, um, I live here in Vegas and that's on, um, a Venus IC line and astro photography. Um, and I've met a lot of people who have just become like extra siblings for me.

01:37:48 Speaker_02
And some of those people have actually ended up living with. And with the, with the IC being brought in there, like it's, it's super interesting to me in that sense. And some of them do feel like it's, um,

01:38:00 Speaker_02
It's like very destined like meetings with some of the people that I've met up with that end up being like siblings.

01:38:10 Speaker_00
Yeah. So it's like there's an overlap for in your chart. The other person we talked to had the IC in the fifth whole sign house, but you have the IC in the third house.

01:38:18 Speaker_00
So somehow like living situation things are overlapping with siblings or other third house topics.

01:38:27 Speaker_07
Yeah. Okay.

01:38:30 Speaker_00
Um, have you in your adult life, have you lived with siblings or was it just those?

01:38:36 Speaker_02
Yeah, I've, I've, I've lived with siblings. Siblings have lived with me. It's, it's been like a constant, like taking turns on that, on that whole situation with like, I might live with a sibling for some time. I have like a sibling live with me.

01:38:49 Speaker_02
Like currently I have a sibling living with me.

01:38:51 Speaker_00
That's awesome. you're in, that's really interesting what you said about the relocation because Reno's far enough away from Vegas where you are now that in Vegas your IC actually switches to be or shifts to being much closer to your Venus.

01:39:15 Speaker_07
I think we had a technical thing, the connection might be delayed or cut

01:39:22 Speaker_00
All right, so in terms of siblings, I think that's really interesting. So now we've seen again another

01:39:33 Speaker_00
example of that principle I was talking about earlier, where whatever whole sign house the IC falls, it just doubles up on significations so that you get both fourth house significations and in this instance, third house significations.

01:39:50 Speaker_00
And so he has lived with siblings at different points in his life, not just as a kid or not just as a child as you would, but even into his adult life.

01:40:04 Speaker_02
Sorry about that. Vegas Heat took out my phone.

01:40:08 Speaker_00
No problem. That happens. One other question. Venus also rules your 10th house, and it's in the 3rd house, which I would normally associate with things like communication.

01:40:22 Speaker_00
Venus is in its own domicile, so the potential for being good at communication or communication being a large part of your work, which it is. But

01:40:33 Speaker_00
Actually, I found one of the most famous podcasters in the world recently, Alex Cooper, has that placement. She does the Call Her Daddy podcast and has

01:40:44 Speaker_00
Yeah, she has Venus ruling the 10th, and it's in Libra and the third, just like your chart, and she's become successful at literally doing communication. But I was curious if it overlaps at all with the sibling thing.

01:40:56 Speaker_00
Have your siblings ever been tied in with your career in any way, or have they ever prompted you to go down certain career paths?

01:41:04 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah. Actually, one of my first readings that I actually did professionally was from like, um, a client that my sister actually referred to me, like she actually got me my first paid reading.

01:41:21 Speaker_00
That's incredible.

01:41:24 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:41:26 Speaker_00
actually really reminds me of the Anthony Bourdain example that Lisa used in the last episode where he got his first writing gig from a friend who recommended him and referred him, and that's why he started that career originally as a writer.

01:41:41 Speaker_00
It was basically a friend just referring him and having the ruler of the 11th and the 2nd sometimes it can be like a one-time pivotal event that pushes a person in a certain direction.

01:41:56 Speaker_00
So that's an interesting overlap there with you in terms of that here.

01:41:59 Speaker_02
Also, I do Uber currently. I do Uber and I'm an astrologer, and Uber I feel like is very third house as well, like the back and forth of the movement there. For sure.

01:42:14 Speaker_00
You're driving all day?

01:42:16 Speaker_02
Yeah, when Venus went retrograde, what was it, last year, the year before, there came some times where I was like, okay, well, this is no longer sustainable. I need to move into something else.

01:42:29 Speaker_02
Because I had been feeling that I needed to actually start doing more readings and everything. I just had been really lazy about trying to do so.

01:42:38 Speaker_00
That would have been the Venus retrograde last year. It would have started in your second house of finances and retrograded back into your first house.

01:42:46 Speaker_00
So at that time you ran into a wall where you felt like financially you needed to start doing something else?

01:42:53 Speaker_02
Yes, exactly. Doing Uber on its own is just not sustainable.

01:42:59 Speaker_00
Yeah, that makes so much sense. That's a great example of a Venus retrograde. So I'm going to animate the chart for those watching the video version and you can just see. Yeah, it's the Venus retrograde that was around your second house.

01:43:16 Speaker_00
When it started, Mars would have been going through your second house at the time that the Venus retrograde's taking place. Nice. Okay.

01:43:23 Speaker_02
So that's when- And since she rolls over the 3rd and 10th, it was actually on the day of the Venus Kazemi, something big happened. I was like, all right, I really, really need to leave this stuff alone and like actually move on to something else.

01:43:39 Speaker_02
And so that kind of like spurred me to like actually get started on like doing my website and everything. And during the second house perfection year, I've actually started the website. I've actually started posting like, um, blogs.

01:43:51 Speaker_02
I haven't gotten to doing the videos just because that Virgo perfectionistic stuff along with, uh, Mars in Capricorn, like I really have a problem with putting out things that aren't, um, really good quality to me. So.

01:44:06 Speaker_00
Yeah, as a Mars in Capricorn, that is an issue I struggle with as well. I think the way I've figured out how to do that is just if you can put things out and then just improve, just put it out and then just improve one little thing each time.

01:44:22 Speaker_00
So then you'll look at what you'll put out, especially early on, and you'll hate you'll hate it. But if you identify one thing that you can improve when you do your next piece of content, that will add up slowly over time.

01:44:38 Speaker_00
And eventually, if you just keep improving one thing each time, you'll eventually get into really good shape. But it's important to push yourself to just start putting the stuff out there.

01:44:47 Speaker_02
Yeah, that's what I'm working towards. That's why I started with the blog posts. At least I'm not

01:44:52 Speaker_02
out there like i've already recorded a bunch of videos i just have to actually like decide to like the editing takes so long i don't know how people i don't know how you guys do it like the editing is it is it is intense but i feel like if i do actually start doing things since um mars is actually trining the my mercury and sun and then sextiling my jupiter like i feel like that could actually start to make something happen

01:45:20 Speaker_00
Yeah, for sure. It sounds like this second house perfection year and the Venus retrograde the previous year was the start of pushing you in a direction of having greater financial success and especially self-autonomy, because this is basically then

01:45:38 Speaker_00
The second house perfection year has been the year in which you transition from having to work for other people to starting to work for yourself.

01:45:46 Speaker_00
And that's part of what I was talking about at the beginning of this when I said planets in their own domicile, when the ruler of a house is in the house, that sometimes it indicates greater self-autonomy because the planet symbolically is like a planet that's at home

01:46:01 Speaker_00
as opposed to when a planet's in someone else's sign, it's like a person who's a guest who's staying away from home.

01:46:07 Speaker_00
And the biggest difference between being in your own house versus being in somebody else's house is having greater self-autonomy and the ability to do what you want to do and have the freedom and control to make your own choices when it comes to, in this instance, your own financial

01:46:27 Speaker_00
success or failure, essentially. But what was the thing?

01:46:30 Speaker_00
Because Mars was transiting through your second, and it sounded like you said during the Kazemi that there was almost like an event or something that really prompted you of being like, okay, this isn't working, and I need to start getting something else going.

01:46:48 Speaker_07
There was an incident where

01:46:55 Speaker_00
You don't have to go into the whole thing. Was it just, was it a negative thing that prompted it?

01:46:59 Speaker_02
Oh yeah, it was definitely a negative thing. It was a negative thing and it's, it probably actually lasted pretty much most of the time that Mars was there in Virgo. Um, and then it kind of loosened up. So like, then I got lazy again.

01:47:12 Speaker_02
I was like, yeah, whatever. I can continue on with this. And then just different things are like kind of pushing me to the, to the point where like, I've actually started setting myself up to where I can do more readings.

01:47:23 Speaker_02
Um, and I'll be able to like actually be more self-sustaining in that sense.

01:47:31 Speaker_02
And we'll see how the, um, the eclipses, which are upcoming in my second and eighth house end up affecting that stuff as well, because that's definitely something to look out for next.

01:47:44 Speaker_00
Yeah, for sure.

01:47:44 Speaker_00
That's going to open a whole two-year window of major beginnings and major endings when it comes to, on the one hand, the Pisces eclipse first this month and issues of debt and other people's money, and then, on the other hand, when the Virgo eclipses start, whenever that is, like next year, the second house and your own personal finances and wealth and what it takes to make a living.

01:48:11 Speaker_02
Yeah, I'm excited for it.

01:48:13 Speaker_00
Yeah, this is all this all heading in a good direction. And this is like, you have a very good chart for this.

01:48:18 Speaker_00
And it's it's amazing to see you at a relatively early stage in your life compared to other people, making some of these choices and making this shift now, and setting yourself up to be in a great position in the future and to have greater financial self autonomy, and to manifest some of the positive placements that you really have in your chart, like

01:48:40 Speaker_00
having Mercury, the ruler of the second, in its own sign, having Venus, the ruler of the 10th and the 3rd, in its own sign, and even having Mars exalted in Capricorn as well, and starting to really take some of those placements and manifest them to their fullest potential.

01:48:59 Speaker_00
So I think the last thing is just realized with the nodes transiting through Libra and

01:49:10 Speaker_00
just the nodal return, which is part of it, but also just that you've been having eclipses starting at least a year ago, certainly in October, bouncing back and forth between your 9th house and your 3rd house.

01:49:21 Speaker_00
And so I think it's interesting that you're starting to learn how to communicate within the context of your chosen field as an astrologer.

01:49:31 Speaker_00
And so we get both the 9th house astrology significations as well as the 3rd house communication things, but it's like a new beginning for you in a way that starts out very humbly, which is something I commonly say with eclipses in terms of you're starting to write blog posts or learn how to edit videos or other things like that, but it's a new beginning for you essentially.

01:49:57 Speaker_02
Part of what I'll be doing with the As Within series is that I'll be talking about different religions and stuff like that. And last, like 18 years ago, I actually went on a mission. I served a mission and I went to Spain.

01:50:10 Speaker_02
So like I went abroad and I was preaching. So it'll be interesting to see how this comes around now because it's a whole different ballgame.

01:50:18 Speaker_00
And that was 18 years ago. So that was the last time the nodes were in these signs. Exactly. Yeah. Having eclipses in the same axis.

01:50:28 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:50:29 Speaker_00
Wow. Okay. That's really cool. So you did some missionary work back then.

01:50:33 Speaker_00
That's interesting also just with having the degree of the midheaven in the ninth house, so an overlapping of career and religious significations in addition to just the religious potential significations of the third house.

01:50:51 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:50:53 Speaker_00
Yeah. All right. Cool. Um, so do you have like an Instagram or Twitter?

01:50:58 Speaker_02
Yeah. Uh, my Instagram is the number one with will with one L let me look that up. I wonder if I can write that down here. I was actually set up in my room where I do my readings and then I had to leave because I had to go to a lunch. So we'll see.

01:51:22 Speaker_02
But I just typed it in there. Did that pop up?

01:51:26 Speaker_00
Yeah, there it is. I think that just showed up. So here's the Instagram account. So people can check that out for astrological readings and other stuff that you've been talking about.

01:51:40 Speaker_02
Yeah. And my website is withwill.com.

01:51:44 Speaker_00
Awesome.

01:51:45 Speaker_02
Cool.

01:51:47 Speaker_00
Cool. Well, people should check that out. Thanks a lot for sharing your story. That was a really good example of both. Second house stuff, but also third house stuff.

01:51:55 Speaker_00
So I love that this workshop somehow very accidentally turned into a second slash third house workshop, but I'm, I'm loving it. Cause that's exactly where my mindset was, um, today. So it's nice to have that.

01:52:09 Speaker_00
So thanks for, thanks for sharing your, your example.

01:52:12 Speaker_07
Yeah. Thanks for having me on. All right. Take care. Bye bye. All right, amazing. That was great.

01:52:25 Speaker_00
Yeah, this has been really good. I'm glad this actually, I was not reluctant, but I was trying to, at different points, refocus it on the second house.

01:52:35 Speaker_00
But then I realized this had a life of its own, and it was turning into a second slash third house workshop. So I might actually have to title it that.

01:52:46 Speaker_00
which is unexpected but has been actually really delightful since this has been a really good preparation for that third house episode that I'm working on right now. All right, so let me see how many people are with us in the live chat.

01:53:05 Speaker_00
Still got some people here. What does everybody think? Does anybody have any questions or comments at this point about everything we've seen or reflections about stuff? Yeah, L&M in the chat points out that his

01:53:24 Speaker_00
Mercury Sun Kazemi was in 17 minutes, so that's a really amazing example of a Kazemi in the second house. Yeah, I think this has worked out great. I'm trying to decide to do any more examples. If people want to take a look at the Q&A and upvote,

01:53:44 Speaker_00
example you'd like to do next. I'm trying to decide whether to just end it on a high note since it's now been about two hours, which is what I was shooting for, or whether to try to squeeze one more in.

01:53:53 Speaker_00
I just did another webinar yesterday for my Hellenistic astrology course where we talked about zodiac releasing, so I'm getting a little tired in terms of continuing for today.

01:54:09 Speaker_00
and says the Moon is opposite Uranus today, so it's not surprising we got into the 3rd house unexpectedly. That is actually an amazing point. The Moon is at 19 Scorpio, applying to an opposition with Uranus at 27 Taurus.

01:54:33 Speaker_07
All right, I'm just looking through some of the last ones.

01:54:37 Speaker_00
Okay, so Jaylene had one that was an eclipse. Are you still here? And do you want to share your example real quick? It's a quick one. Okay, let's do it. All right, I'll promote you to a panelist. So give me your birth data. And we'll jump right into it.

01:54:57 Speaker_05
Yeah, I can hear you. Awesome. Thank you for having me.

01:55:02 Speaker_07
Yeah, thanks for joining me. What's your birth data? 12, 15, 93. Okay. New York, New York. What time? 19 a.m. Say that again, what time? 19 a.m. At 19, okay. So it should be a 12 degree Aquarius rising. Got it, all right.

01:55:32 Speaker_00
So here's your natal chart. and tell me what's your example that you wanted to share?

01:55:41 Speaker_05
So last year, May 5th, the day of the Scorpio South Node Lunar Eclipse, it was about 13 degrees Scorpio. I lost my job on that day.

01:55:52 Speaker_00
What day was that again?

01:55:55 Speaker_05
May 5th of 2023.

01:56:03 Speaker_07
There we go.

01:56:03 Speaker_00
Okay. So this was the day of a lunar eclipse at 15 degrees of Scorpio in your 10th house of career and you lost your job.

01:56:14 Speaker_05
Yep. It was also a six house perfection year ruled by the Moon, which is ruled by Mars in the 12th.

01:56:27 Speaker_00
Okay, yeah, so that's actually interesting in and of itself that you're in a 6th house perfection year and transiting Mars is in your 6th house at the time.

01:56:37 Speaker_00
You have a day chart, so Mars transits are more difficult for you, and then transiting Mars hit 21, 22 degrees of Cancer opposing your natal Moon at 22 degrees of Capricorn. So it's like you're getting

01:56:52 Speaker_00
essentially the worst possible transit for the ruler of the year to get in a day chart, which is an opposition transit from Mars.

01:57:00 Speaker_00
Yeah, well, that's actually the other point that I thought was really great and what I exclaimed at the beginning, which is just

01:57:12 Speaker_00
is a great demonstration of when a person is in a Cancer or Leo perfection year, the eclipses tend to be much more important and much more potent for them compared to other years because it makes the Sun and Moon the lord of the year.

01:57:27 Speaker_00
And normally, people don't know what to do with that because the Moon moves so fast that it's weird to think about using it as the time lord of the year and paying attention to all of its transits being more important.

01:57:37 Speaker_00
But in reality, what happens is it's just the lunations and especially the eclipses that become more important. So that's the other reason why this happened, like right on an eclipse in your 10th house.

01:57:49 Speaker_00
Give me the context, though, in terms of letting us get a sense for your subjective experience of this and how shocking it was to be fired. How long had you been working at this job? What can you tell us about what you did?

01:58:06 Speaker_05
So I realized that I actually had my final group interview for that position on December 14th of 2020. And it was a eclipse in Sagittarius. So it made sense to have lost the job. We weren't having layoffs. It was a very small energy consulting firm.

01:58:28 Speaker_05
And my manager and I and a person that we hired, we all got laid off at the same time in the morning of the eclipse. Very shocking. Like I said, we weren't aware it was happening.

01:58:41 Speaker_00
Okay, so it just came out of left field. And then all of a sudden, you're unemployed from a job that you had been doing for what, like, yeah, two or three years at that point. And so let me go back to your chart.

01:59:01 Speaker_00
Also relevant in terms of that was, of course, since you have Aquarius rising, Saturn had just recently, like two months earlier, ingressed into your second house of finances.

01:59:15 Speaker_00
So you're having a Saturn transit in your second house at the same time, and that's kind of inaugurated with you losing your day job at the time.

01:59:24 Speaker_05
It also squares my MC, which is my clue. CB.

01:59:29 Speaker_00
Yeah. So your MC for the audio listeners is at two degrees of Sagittarius and Saturn was at five, so it had just squared that and then, in fact, would retrograde back there and station later in the year at like zero degrees of Pisces again.

01:59:47 Speaker_00
So after you lost your job, what happens? What do you do?

01:59:53 Speaker_05
I start kind of just taking the severance pay because it was the first time that I had been unemployed and unemployment so I was just kind of living life as a true Sag and then I eventually began becoming serious about applying in October of 2023 and then I had connected with someone at a

02:00:20 Speaker_05
networking event beforehand while I was working for that company. I connected with them afterwards and actually became their consultant. So I was getting income that way. And then I also started teaching dance.

02:00:34 Speaker_05
But all the interviews, I would always get an interview in everything I applied, but I would never make it very far. And just recently, I had an old colleague

02:00:49 Speaker_05
pass on an email from somebody who's looking for a skill, like very specialized that I have, um, which is, um, I work in green hydrogen on the environmental justice and community engagement side, which is very 11th house.

02:01:07 Speaker_05
Um, so I ended up applying, interviewing, got the position start on Monday ahead of the second house eclipse full moon. So it ends my unemployment.

02:01:18 Speaker_00
Wow. So your unemployment is just about to end right on the Pisces eclipse that's about to take place in your second house?

02:01:26 Speaker_05
Yep. Start tomorrow. It's been really crazy.

02:01:31 Speaker_00
That is incredible. And also I like that because what is tomorrow? Today is the 9th.

02:01:38 Speaker_05
Tomorrow's the 10th.

02:01:39 Speaker_00
Oh, sorry. Oh, yeah. Today's the 9th. Well, today here it's the 8th.

02:01:45 Speaker_05
Oh, sorry. I'm looking at the chart. Yeah. Tomorrow's the 9th.

02:01:49 Speaker_00
So are you starting on the 9th or the 10th?

02:01:51 Speaker_05
The 9th.

02:01:52 Speaker_00
Okay.

02:01:53 Speaker_05
I had learned that I got accepted for the position when Mercury was at two degrees of Virgo, and then it retrograded back, and now I don't start until Mercury is pretty much where it was when it retrograded.

02:02:06 Speaker_00
Wow, that's brilliant. That's a good demonstration of why the shadow periods are important or why I always emphasize those. You got the position when Mercury was at two degrees of Virgo. Do you have the day for that?

02:02:25 Speaker_07
It was the third or fourth. Yeah.

02:02:30 Speaker_00
So it was around the time that Mercury was stationing.

02:02:33 Speaker_05
Yeah.

02:02:35 Speaker_00
Basically in your eighth house that you.

02:02:38 Speaker_05
It must have been before that because that's Sunday. Right. So yeah. Yeah. It was when it was at two degrees. Yeah.

02:02:45 Speaker_00
Okay, so it was when it was direct still before it's stationed retrograde, but it was in the pre retrograde shadow period at two degrees.

02:02:53 Speaker_05
And then wait, if you go back, you can see that the sun was also training my Jupiter that rules my second house. And since it's the Lord of the year, that was pretty cool.

02:03:05 Speaker_05
So I had Mercury squaring my mid heaven at two degrees, the sun at eight degrees Leo, trining my Jupiter and Scorpio in the 10th house, which was my second house.

02:03:22 Speaker_00
Yeah, but that's still really striking.

02:03:24 Speaker_00
Well, it's just a good example because I've seen discussion about shadow periods recently and people not being sure about the concept, but I think it's really important because it sets up that sometimes when a planet

02:03:42 Speaker_00
goes retrograde around a sensitive degree or a personal degree in a person's birth chart.

02:03:48 Speaker_00
Like in this instance, Mercury here was at two degrees of Virgo squaring your Midheaven in Sagittarius, and it sets up a situation where you're going to get three exact hits of that transit.

02:04:04 Speaker_00
And that's more than anything why shadow periods are important because

02:04:09 Speaker_00
Shadow periods are an attempt to describe and explain how there's going to be a connection between those three different seemingly separate dates in which Mercury is going to be making the same aspect to a personal planet or a personal placement, but how they're actually connected and part of a sequence of events.

02:04:31 Speaker_00
So it's great that you noticed this because that means on this date. So what happened? They you think that they made the decision that you would get the job on this date?

02:04:41 Speaker_05
Yeah. Um, so I got the email, um, pretty much that I, that they were, cause they had to go to the higher ups and let them know, um, cause it's government. So everything's very complicated for no reason.

02:04:52 Speaker_05
Um, and yeah, so they let me know that they were talking to them about having me come in as the candidate. Um, I also forgot to mention that Venus is training my son. that day as well.

02:05:06 Speaker_00
CB Right. That's nice. So you got the notification and then it had to be go through the higher ups and maybe get approved because Mercury then stationed retrograde in your eighth house.

02:05:18 Speaker_05
LS I also negotiated on the seventh and then got the new offer on the eighth and then signed on the ninth.

02:05:26 Speaker_00
CB Nice. So you're the Mercury retrograde Well, that was actually the seventh was actually the day of the Mercury-Venus conjunction in your eighth house.

02:05:35 Speaker_00
But it means you're negotiating with your employer about how much essentially they're willing to pay you and how much what the terms are of your agreement with them for employment under the Mercury retrograde in your in your eighth house.

02:05:47 Speaker_05
Yes. And then lastly, I just wanted to say that because of Saturn being in my second house and all of this, I wasn't into astrology as deeply. And I just knew like sunshine stuff.

02:06:00 Speaker_05
But when I lost the job, and it was an eclipse during the mercury retrograde, then I like became interested in astrology. And everybody said that.

02:06:12 Speaker_00
on just a sec because I just wanted to finish the last point of the Mercury retrograde thing. I just wanted to round that out.

02:06:18 Speaker_00
So you're starting the job tomorrow when Mercury is back at like two and three degrees of Virgo, which is where it was both when you were notified that you essentially got the job as well as when you were negotiating it?

02:06:35 Speaker_00
So that's the post-retrograde shadow is even though Mercury is

02:06:40 Speaker_00
theoretically done with the retrograde, now that it's getting back to the final degree that it started the retrograde at, you're now finally moving forward into the thing that you were negotiating during the retrograde.

02:06:53 Speaker_00
So that's such a perfect, I don't know if I've ever had, I'm sure I have in the past, but not any time recently that I've seen such a perfect encapsulation of why shadow periods are important than this.

02:07:06 Speaker_00
Sorry for interrupting, but I just wanted to make sure we emphasize that because that's actually really brilliant that you noticed that.

02:07:13 Speaker_05
Yeah, I've been tracking it like a hawk after, you know, becoming aware of how accurate astrology can be with predictions, because I thought it was just psychological stuff.

02:07:24 Speaker_05
But yeah, with Saturn in my second house, as somebody who's never really had a budget, I hate finance. It's the only B I got in my MBA. I have recently decided to create a budget forecast, like my debt and hang that off.

02:07:43 Speaker_05
So I think that will satisfy Saturn. So he'll, you know, leave me alone a little bit, as he squared all my planets. But yeah, I'm not looking forward to Mars, running over my moon again.

02:07:58 Speaker_07
So yeah, so with in terms of well, you're not in a what perfection are you in now?

02:08:10 Speaker_00
7th, so you're in Leo still. Okay, yeah, because December is when it'll switch over to Virgo. Got it. Okay. Yeah, I think that's really interesting.

02:08:22 Speaker_00
So for you, part of the Saturn transit through your second house, as well as the way that the eclipse is about to accentuate it, you're going to start budgeting because up to this point,

02:08:35 Speaker_00
So with like, with Pisces being your second house, and maybe it's like Neptune's been transiting there for the past decade, and Jupiter is the ruler that financial stuff, you said, you're not very good at just like keeping track of money and things like that, that it's not something you focus on, or that you have a lot of like firm boundaries around up to this point.

02:08:56 Speaker_05
Yeah, no, um, I live with someone who has kind of taught me how to do that. And yeah, so I'm pretty confident that I can do that now.

02:09:10 Speaker_00
Nice.

02:09:10 Speaker_00
So that's a great, that's very constructive, you know, way of experience in the Saturn transit in terms of putting more structure into your finances to have greater, what are some of the keywords like control or greater responsibility and what was the one you said?

02:09:29 Speaker_00
Stability. Stability. Okay, nice. Yeah, that makes sense.

02:09:34 Speaker_05
Yeah, I feel like I'm in financial prison, and I want financial freedom.

02:09:40 Speaker_00
How would you or why do you describe it as financial prison currently?

02:09:44 Speaker_05
Because I am stuck, because I don't have the finances to go and do things, if that makes sense. So I'm kind of ball and chain. Everything I do, it has to eventually go back to the debt that I have to pay.

02:09:57 Speaker_05
So I feel like Saturn's kind of making me work hard to release the shackles pretty much. and then learn how to budget and be serious about not just spending my money like crazy.

02:10:08 Speaker_00
So is it debt from school or debt from the unemployment of the past few years?

02:10:13 Speaker_05
Both, and then just spending like I have all the money in the world.

02:10:18 Speaker_00
Right, yeah, that's a real issue sometimes with Jupiter. ruled either Jupiter 2nd house or Jupiter ruled 2nd house can sometimes be spending freely.

02:10:27 Speaker_00
But it sounds like with this first eclipse–because eclipses always, when they happen in a house, it opens up a year-and-a-half period of focusing more on that house as well as the house opposite to it and the relationship between the two.

02:10:44 Speaker_00
So this first eclipse is going to be in Pisces, but it's opening up a series that'll keep jumping back and forth between Pisces and Virgo and your 2nd house of finances and 8th house of

02:10:55 Speaker_00
debt and other people's money over the course of the next year or two. And what'll happen is people kind of seesaw back and forth between focusing more attention on one and then less attention on the other.

02:11:10 Speaker_00
And they keep having to go back and forth in terms of putting more focus on one area or the other at different points, depending on the eclipse, until eventually the point of it is to reach balance and to set a new standard in the life for dealing with those topics by the time you emerge out of it, like two years later, once the nodes leave those two signs.

02:11:32 Speaker_05
Yeah, and I forgot a huge part. This new job is technically a fellowship. So it's an educational stipend and I have to take out my own taxes. So as somebody who hates finance, who has like my mom and the accountant, they do that.

02:11:51 Speaker_05
Um, well, my sister, um, and so now I have to learn how to put money aside and keep it in a place and know that it's there instead of spending that savings. Um, so I think that's also cool.

02:12:05 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's actually really cool.

02:12:07 Speaker_00
That's such a great Saturn transit that's really annoying in terms of having to learn how to do those things and could be frustrating or could be seeming like extra work, but then eventually emerging out of it in a year or two.

02:12:24 Speaker_00
Having developed such a greater sense of responsibility, you'll be in such a better place once you come out the other end of it.

02:12:33 Speaker_05
And then I know you were looking at third house examples, and I've been having eclipses between those two, if you wanted to go over that, but we don't have to. CB.

02:12:43 Speaker_00
No, let's do it. That'd be great. So what was that? Starting like a year ago, we had, well, especially earlier this year in April, but which eclipses or what's been going on? Tell me about it.

02:12:56 Speaker_05
LS. Well, I'm not really sure which eclipse. I think it was at the bending of the nodes at the end of June. And I don't really know what that means, but my brother, who was mentally unstable, had bipolar disorder one.

02:13:13 Speaker_05
In a manic episode, he took his life. And I think that's also sad and opposing the eighth house.

02:13:20 Speaker_05
and then having the eclipses between the 3rd and the 9th, and then I have a very much older brother who has been suffering with lung cancer, and he's just not doing too well, so I'm very wary of the eclipses that are still happening in the 3rd and 9th, and then now beginning in the 2nd and 8th, but yeah.

02:13:40 Speaker_00
Yeah, I'm really sorry to hear that. Yeah, I'm sorry you went through that.

02:13:48 Speaker_00
So yeah, we had the major Great American Eclipse, so-called, which occurred in, what was it, April, and that was in the sign of Aries, which was in your third house of siblings. So eclipses can

02:14:08 Speaker_00
be an omen or a foreshadowing of events that will play out over the course of the next several months?

02:14:14 Speaker_00
You said it happened in June, but did he start struggling, or was there some sort of advancement of his condition or of his mental issues around that time, around the April time frame, that then eventually culminated?

02:14:31 Speaker_00
Or do you know what was going on with him back in April?

02:14:33 Speaker_05
Yeah, I'm sort of because I my family's in New York, and I'm in San Diego, but I'm moving back now. Jupiter in the fifth. I see. But anyways, he, I guess had a really bad manic episode. And around April, May, no, around April, and then they sent him to

02:14:53 Speaker_05
the Bronx and or Brooklyn for him to get mentally stable. I guess he came out of that and was great for two months. And then he had a trigger at work.

02:15:05 Speaker_05
And yeah, that's kind of what led to him getting into another manic episode after being like the best he's ever been in years for two months, and then ending like that. And I think when people have high emotional peaks,

02:15:21 Speaker_05
when they're, um, they're happy at a really high happiness. And then things come and they're negative. The law is so low that it takes them.

02:15:32 Speaker_00
Right. Yeah, for sure. What, um, when did he pass away?

02:15:37 Speaker_05
So he passed away technically June 27th. And I say that technically because he was missing. For three days, or I think my family, so we live in upstate New York, Andrew was missing.

02:15:51 Speaker_05
And then my mom finally called for a search and they searched and found him in the woods of our yard. So I didn't know until July something.

02:16:04 Speaker_05
And that week I actually had reached out to him and we spoke for the first time, like, and it was like, you know, not hostile because we had a very strange relationship.

02:16:15 Speaker_05
But I'm happy that we had a really great conversation before all of that happened.

02:16:21 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's great that you got to have that with him, even if you didn't know that that would be the last conversation you'd have with him. So that was the week before he died.

02:16:33 Speaker_05
Um, it was the week that he died. So it was Monday, I reached out to him Wednesday, he called me that night he tried committing mom found him took him to the hospital, they released him, which were doing legal action, I guess.

02:16:48 Speaker_05
And then that night that he came back that Thursday, he tried again and was successful. And he had been trying over and over. He had Mars and Gemini in the 8th and the Moon and Gemini at 29 degrees in the 8th. So I think that's kind of what it was.

02:17:08 Speaker_07
I'm not really sure how it works out astrologically.

02:17:19 Speaker_00
Yeah, I mean you did make a good point about it being at the midpoint essentially between eclipses, which I do think is important when you basically have a lunation or lunations that are squaring the nodes.

02:17:39 Speaker_00
I think those lunations are more powerful because they're at the halfway point between eclipse seasons. And as a result of that, they're squaring where the eclipses took place. So it sort of gets tied in with the entire eclipse cycle in some way. Yeah.

02:17:59 Speaker_05
And then I also had Mars in the fourth about to join up with Uranus, that's squaring my Saturn, and then it's forming a T-squared with Saturn-Pluto.

02:18:12 Speaker_05
And I saw it in my mother and my sister's chart when I looked at it too, beforehand, and I was wondering what this would be. And then my brother was also in a Leo perfection year.

02:18:24 Speaker_05
The sun, transit sun was opposing his natal Saturn in the third house and transit Saturn had stationed at 19 degrees for a while directly opposing his son. So yeah, and then he had Mars in the seventh opposing his Pluto in the first.

02:18:43 Speaker_05
He was a Scorpio rising.

02:18:45 Speaker_00
got it. Okay. Yeah, because I forgot at the end of June, Saturn was stationing at that time in Pisces.

02:18:52 Speaker_00
So that was also a station for you in your second house, which then, yeah, kind of brings us back to that question we were discussing earlier in the episode, which is just

02:19:04 Speaker_00
or all other houses, we can sometimes see this overlap or connection between the house and then the house opposite to it.

02:19:12 Speaker_00
The second in modern times is usually one of the only houses that we don't usually see that, but that maybe there is some sort of connection there between that axis and this notion of life and death and the barrier between them, or sometimes the overlap and transition point between them being represented by that axis.

02:19:34 Speaker_00
Yeah. And then there's other stuff, the eclipses, of course. Your chart is responding very strongly to eclipses, and I was trying to figure out why.

02:19:44 Speaker_00
I do see that your Sun is in the same sign as the North Node, so that must mean that an eclipse happened not too long before you were born.

02:19:52 Speaker_05
It was like a week or two, but I'm wondering if it's the MC North Node almost direct conjunction?

02:20:00 Speaker_00
Okay, yeah, that could be. That's something we saw recently with like Kamala Harris's chart has the node right on the Ascendant and she also seems to be responding very strongly to eclipses in her chronology.

02:20:12 Speaker_00
So I've been wondering if that's actually like a signature of why another additional reason why a person might respond really strongly to eclipses.

02:20:22 Speaker_05
Yeah, that would be interesting to look into.

02:20:26 Speaker_00
Yeah, for sure. And know, with Mars transiting your fourth house during this, I mean, it transited your third house just before, and I don't know if that's part of if he was already starting to decline somewhat during that time.

02:20:43 Speaker_05
I think he was fine around that time, it seems. But again, I wasn't directly there, so it's hard to say.

02:20:52 Speaker_00
Got it. I guess I was just wondering to what extent it going through your fourth whole sign house that your family and your parents especially were really impacted by it?

02:21:04 Speaker_00
Or how much more impacted were they by his death than you were, but were they very impacted by it?

02:21:13 Speaker_05
Yeah, it's my mom's only son. And then My sisters and my mom have tried. It's kind of really devastated my mom mostly. I think both of my sisters, they're in the behavioral health arena in one way or another, so they have been trying their best.

02:21:33 Speaker_05
But my mom is really taking it hardest because my sisters know that they tried their best and they're comfortable with that. My mom feels guilty.

02:21:48 Speaker_00
Yeah, I think that makes sense just in terms of that Mars transit in your chart showing it being especially a hit to your parents.

02:21:56 Speaker_00
And evidently for her, did you say something like it was that he they found him in the woods or something behind her house?

02:22:04 Speaker_05
Yeah, in the woods. And yeah, he had taken a fentanyl pill just to end it. And He had been out there for a few days and we live in upstate New York. So definitely like Mars stuff happened like coyotes that afterwards.

02:22:28 Speaker_07
Yeah.

02:22:29 Speaker_00
And that was all back at your, was that your, um, like where you grew up in terms of your, your home.

02:22:36 Speaker_05
Yeah. And I'm actually now, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm actually moving back now. Um, so kind of fortify the home front and I think. I had all this time been wondering why Jupiter on my IC, like what would that bring because I'm too broke to move.

02:22:51 Speaker_05
But I, now that I have this position and it's a remote position and my family isn't doing too well and part of the reason I couldn't live home was because of him. I am now moving back home and hopefully, yeah, it all goes well.

02:23:12 Speaker_07
Yeah.

02:23:12 Speaker_00
Yeah. Yeah, with the Jupiter station in your IC sign, that is interesting coming up. Jupiter's going to station at 21 in early October, so that's potentially relevant in terms of that.

02:23:29 Speaker_00
And then of course, I know some people will be pointing out Mars would have been transiting your quadrant 3rd house on that side of the IC. even when it was in Taurus. I think that might be relevant as well.

02:23:41 Speaker_00
And it was something I mentioned in the 2nd house example with the episode with the Noël Till example of looking at the overlap between the whole sign and quadrant houses, and that may be relevant there as well as an extension of the IC principle.

02:23:58 Speaker_00
Yeah, well, yeah, that's really a striking example in terms of both your 2nd house transits and just how

02:24:09 Speaker_00
that financial stuff is happening for you at this time, but also potentially bringing up that entire axis of the second house and the eighth house.

02:24:17 Speaker_00
And of course, that's going to tie in not just the debt versus personal finances themes, but also just sometimes the topic of mortality, and especially if you're moving back home, having to work through those different stages of grief and of

02:24:35 Speaker_00
yeah, having some of those realizations in retrospect as well as helping your mom to work through some of that at the same time so we can kind of see how there's this constellation of

02:24:47 Speaker_00
second and eighth house things happening in addition to the eclipse that happened in your third house just two months before, having really marked that as what I always say.

02:24:59 Speaker_00
I always say eclipses are major beginnings and major endings, and sometimes the greatest end to something can be the end of a person's life. Yeah.

02:25:12 Speaker_00
But it sounds like then that's also, you said it's allowing you in some ways to move back home, which you hadn't felt comfortable previously because of that relationship with him.

02:25:22 Speaker_05
Yeah. And part of what I can do now moving back home is not pay San Diego rent. So now I can completely eliminate my debt within like two years. Well, not like the federal loans, but like the private loans and the credit card debt.

02:25:40 Speaker_05
So I'm pretty stoked about that. Very much to second and eighth analysis of the season.

02:25:49 Speaker_00
Yeah. And that's really interesting because it just shows how know, our lives are complicated, and it's really just one thing that's happening in our birth chart.

02:25:59 Speaker_00
But sometimes there's multiple important things happening in our birth chart, but that shows how they can be interconnected and why you can be having major transits in your second house of finances, in your

02:26:12 Speaker_00
third house of siblings and your eighth house of debt and mortality, and how sometimes it's all relevant instead of it just being one thing, that you go through this series of different experiences that let you experience different colors and different shades of the archetype of that house.

02:26:31 Speaker_05
Yeah, and it's been really exciting to kind of see how it all plays out, even though obviously there's some like emotional hurt that comes with life. But Saturn in the first resilient.

02:26:46 Speaker_00
Yeah, very resilient. And yeah, I think how long have you been studying astrology?

02:26:57 Speaker_05
Seriously, since like October.

02:27:01 Speaker_07
of last year.

02:27:01 Speaker_05
Yeah, I got into it in May. Like, I was watching your videos and stuff starting in like October and now I have books everywhere.

02:27:12 Speaker_00
Okay, so you started seriously studying astrology then when a solar eclipse happened in your ninth house?

02:27:19 Speaker_05
I think it was a few things. Um, yeah, so the solar eclipse. No, that was in the I think my Mercury ingressed into my first house, into Aquarius, in March of 2023.

02:27:33 Speaker_05
And I think that's kind of what did it, because I didn't have a ninth house eclipse, I don't think. Or is that when it started? I thought it was October that it started.

02:27:45 Speaker_00
Well, you said you started seriously studying astrology in October of last year. Yes. So on October 14th, there was a solar eclipse in Libra, which would be your ninth house?

02:27:56 Speaker_05
Yeah. So that's when I started buying books. Um, I had been watching, um, the Ashanti podcast for like a month or two, but it's really hard to grasp when you're so new to everything.

02:28:08 Speaker_05
So I just started buying books and it really helped to as well as watch the podcasts. And then, um, I got the Astro gold app and that is really kind of what elevated everything.

02:28:18 Speaker_05
Cause I'm able to look back and being unemployed, um, having all this time on my hands, um, definitely like to be productive. So yeah.

02:28:30 Speaker_00
Nice. That's incredible. Well, you've picked it up really, really quickly in terms of you seem to have a really strong command of it. And also you're tracking everything really well, um, in the same way that I would be tracking it.

02:28:43 Speaker_00
So I'm impressed at how good you are after only studying seriously for a year. And it seems like you found it at a right time where hopefully it's giving you some good

02:28:54 Speaker_00
perspective on your life, and maybe if it's not like fully answers necessarily giving you some of that perspective, hopefully provide some sense of relief or some sense of seeing the bigger picture of how things are playing out.

02:29:07 Speaker_05
Yeah, I think it's definitely helped me accept that everything happens as it should, in some way. I know that we also obviously have free will, but I think it I find a lot of comfort in that. So

02:29:24 Speaker_00
Yeah, I think, especially as astrologers, seeing some of the stuff lining up like it does, especially when you're dealing with grief, that for me, at least, I always found that tremendously reassuring when I was dealing with grief.

02:29:39 Speaker_00
It was one of the few things where I could sort of step outside of myself and at least see some of the correlations and have a sense of like,

02:29:49 Speaker_00
This is terrible, and I'm extremely sad that this happened, but I also know that this is going to push me in certain directions, and it's going to change my life in a way that I can't fully appreciate now.

02:30:04 Speaker_00
hopefully will take me in some directions in the future that are positive that wouldn't have happened otherwise, and that you can already kind of see echoes of that in the astrology, I think is reassuring ultimately.

02:30:15 Speaker_00
And I think that's one of the functions of astrology for us as astrologers or people that look into it is the ability to have some sense of reassurance when those things happen.

02:30:25 Speaker_05
Yeah, exactly. And I think the last thing to end it more on a high note, instead of like, Oh, my brother died. Because of his death,

02:30:33 Speaker_05
After going back home, it kind of assembled all of my friends from childhood that I've always had and still keep in touch with, but I've been living in San Diego for seven years.

02:30:43 Speaker_05
So I go back home and they all assemble like Avengers and they're helping and they're having, like his birthday's coming up, so they're having dinner with my mom.

02:30:52 Speaker_05
So it seems very much like third house childhood friends being revived and we're all very tight knit again. So it's nice. And I'm excited to go back home and be around them. So.

02:31:06 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's incredible.

02:31:07 Speaker_00
I'm really glad you mentioned that because as I'm, again, rereading Rhetorius, our earliest source, in modern times astrologers tend to just associate friends with the 11th house, but Rhetorius is very consistently mentioning friends over and over again in addition to siblings in connection with the 3rd house, having that sextile.

02:31:26 Speaker_00
And it's interesting, you make an interesting point about that, which is the friends are the people you knew in your neighborhood, largely growing up, that were around your house and stuff.

02:31:37 Speaker_00
And for many of us, when we move away from home, they're the people that continue to live back in the vicinity of where we used to live or where we grew up.

02:31:47 Speaker_00
And that sometimes when we go back there, part of reacquainting ourselves with our old neighborhood is we get to reconnect with our old friends.

02:31:55 Speaker_05
Yeah, and honestly, I've missed them so much. You never realize it till you're with them. That's how I feel when I'm with somebody. So it's very nice to connect.

02:32:06 Speaker_00
Yeah, that's incredible. And of course, you have such a big 11th house stellium that that's relevant as well, where friends would be very more important for you than for other people.

02:32:16 Speaker_00
But also, yeah, like you said, I think that's also a third house thing. And that then also, in some ways, can be part of what the eclipse potentially was a

02:32:27 Speaker_00
not just an omen of, but also was a preview or a foreshadowing of that there would be a major change in that area of your life, too, and that you're coming back to something and reconnecting with old friends.

02:32:40 Speaker_05
It's interesting. The second and 11th house ruler are ruled by Jupiter, so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the eclipse. Yeah.

02:32:51 Speaker_00
CB Yeah, that at some point there might be a connection for you with the ruler of the 2nd and the 11th and the 10th between your finances and your friendships and your career.

02:33:04 Speaker_00
So it'll be interesting to see how that how that plays out in the long term.

02:33:09 Speaker_05
Yeah, I'll hit you up when you do the Tenth House.

02:33:12 Speaker_00
Okay, we'll check in again then. It's going to be a long several months before I get to the Tenth House, since I'm only on the third, but I think that it should give you time to let that develop and percolate a little bit. All right.

02:33:27 Speaker_00
Thank you so much for sharing your example and chart. This is actually an incredible way to round this out. And thanks for your vulnerability and everything else and being willing to share it. I appreciate it.

02:33:39 Speaker_00
And I think we all got a lot out of it and helped to round out this, what is unexpectedly turned into an amazing second house slash third house discussion.

02:33:49 Speaker_05
Yeah, obviously, thank you so much for creating a community in which I can learn so much. Because otherwise, being unemployed, I wouldn't have been able to. So thank you again.

02:34:00 Speaker_07
Yeah. All right. Thank you. All right. All right. That was incredible.

02:34:13 Speaker_00
Yeah, I did not plan for this episode. I was not sure how this workshop was going to go today and whether this was going to go well. This has pretty much blown away all of my expectations.

02:34:28 Speaker_00
I did a webinar recently where I prepared it more ahead of time. I always like to plan things ahead of time. So I had previously been. asking people to submit their stories ahead of time and then putting them in a document.

02:34:50 Speaker_00
And then people were not necessarily showing up or were not there, so I would sometimes read them. But I had this realization yesterday that I shouldn't read the stories anymore because the purpose of these is actually to talk with people directly.

02:35:04 Speaker_00
And even if that's scary for me as somebody that likes to really prepare extensively ahead of time, that sometimes you just have to go with the flow and let the discussion take you where it's going to take you.

02:35:16 Speaker_00
And in this instance, this took us through this incredible journey, not just through the 2nd house, but also into the 3rd house, and sometimes showing the connections between the two or the parallels, especially when there's overlap in people's charts

02:35:34 Speaker_00
either through natal placements that are connecting the 2nd and 3rd house, or sometimes through transits that are either connecting those two houses or showing events that are happening in parallel in those two parts of the life, if there are major transits happening there at the same time.

02:35:55 Speaker_00
I think we learned a lot today. We got into some even deeper stuff about what the 2nd house means in terms of both natal placements as well as transits.

02:36:05 Speaker_00
And then we also had a nice preview and a nice transition into what I'm working on researching right now, which is the 3rd house.

02:36:15 Speaker_00
you know, sometimes when you mention some of the basic topics about it, it doesn't sound like it's a super important house that people usually want to focus more on the glitzy and glamorous houses, like the 10th house or something like that, or the 7th house of relationships.

02:36:32 Speaker_00
But sometimes when the 3rd house is important in a person's chart, it's important for a really major reason, and it can really alter the life direction in really major ways.

02:36:43 Speaker_00
So my goal for this month is I'm actually going to be doing an intense bit of research over the next week on the 3rd house. I'm not sure when I'm going to release this episode to the public.

02:36:54 Speaker_00
I am going to release it to patrons for early access to the recording later today, immediately as soon as we get done, because that's one of the benefits

02:37:04 Speaker_00
of being a patron of The Astrology Podcast is getting early access to the rough cut of episodes as well as the ability to attend these live webinars each month.

02:37:13 Speaker_00
So I'm not sure when I'm going to release this episode, and if it'll be out in time for when I actually record the third house episode, we'll have to see. But if people do have other good third house

02:37:28 Speaker_00
I'm going to start with celebrity examples for that first workshop. If you have any good third-house celebrity chart examples, please let me know and please send them in to me. You can send them to theastrologypodcast at gmail.com.

02:37:42 Speaker_00
Just try to keep it relatively concise. If it's a celebrity chart, please stick with only AA or A-rated data, which is data where there's a really strong source for it, or maybe B data, which is a biography.

02:37:55 Speaker_00
But I try to stick with just well-timed charts in order to have solid research basis for the conclusions that we're drawing from them. So if anybody wants to help me find good third house examples, please let me know.

02:38:10 Speaker_00
I think this went so well that we'll probably do a follow-up at some point, even though this did end up focusing on the third house.

02:38:18 Speaker_00
Perhaps we'll expand that and return to that next time once I actually release the third house episode and think about doing another live webinar like this one to talk about and revisit the third house again. So we'll have to see how it goes.

02:38:34 Speaker_00
All right, I'm just reading some of the comments. Thanks, everyone, for joining me today for this live stream and for joining me in this journey. I really appreciate it, and thank you to everybody that shared their stories.

02:38:46 Speaker_00
Thanks to all the patrons that support this work, because I think I'm really

02:38:52 Speaker_00
happy with this community, and I feel a lot of gratitude that we're able to have these sorts of discussions and find some of these things in the process, which is helping everyone to learn something about astrology as we go through these stories and share these examples.

02:39:09 Speaker_00
So thanks a lot for joining me as part of this journey. Alright, I think that's it for this webinar. Sorry we didn't get to all the examples today. I wanted to let each of these examples breathe, but we'll see if we don't return to this in the future.

02:39:26 Speaker_00
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02:39:30 Speaker_00
If you have a good example of especially a second house or a third house placement or transit, go ahead and post it as a comment below this video on YouTube, and I'd love to hear your story and hear additional stories shared that can help to confirm some of the significations and the meanings that we found in this episode or even potentially help us expand on certain significations.

02:39:54 Speaker_00
I think that would be great to continue this process of learning and growing as a community by sharing stories with each other. All right, I think that's it for this episode. Thanks, everyone, for joining me so much. I will see you again next time.

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02:41:01 Speaker_00
For Mac users, we recommend the program AstroGold for macOS, and you can also get a 15% discount when you use the promo code astropodcast15 at the website astrogold.io.

02:41:15 Speaker_00
If you'd like to learn more about my approach to astrology, then you should get a copy of my book titled Hellenistic Astrology, the Study of Fate and Fortune, which is available in both print and now ebook forms, where I've started selling a PDF copy of the book through my website at hellenisticastrology.com book.

02:41:33 Speaker_00
If you're really looking to deepen your studies of astrology, then check out my Hellenistic Astrology course, which is an online course in ancient astrology.

02:41:41 Speaker_00
It's perfect for beginner and intermediate students because I take people from basic concepts up through intermediate and advanced techniques for reading birth charts.

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There's over 100 hours of video lectures, including monthly webinars and Q&A sessions. And at the end of the course, if you complete the final test, you'll receive a certificate of completion saying that you studied with me.

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You can find out more information at theastrologyschool.com.