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Episode: #2238 - John McPhee
Author: Joe Rogan
Duration: 03:03:31
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John McPhee, widely known as “The Sheriff of Baghdad” or “SHREK,” is a retired U.S. Army Special Operations Sergeant Major with over 20 years of distinguished service. He is the owner of SOB Tactical, a supplier of specialized training and tactical gear to civilians, military, and law enforcement.
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In this episode of "The Joe Rogan Experience," Joe Rogan interviews John McPhee, a retired U.S. Army Special Operations Sergeant Major. McPhee shares insights on how adverse childhood experiences impact personal development, particularly among fighters and military personnel. He discusses the significance of wrestling as the backbone of martial arts and critiques current training and competition structures. McPhee also recounts shocking experiences related to safety and the nature of evil in violent contexts, reflecting on his military service in Iraq and Afghanistan. His reflections emphasize the importance of resilience, training, and the psychological impacts of tough circumstances.
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The Joe Rogan Experience.
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Good to see you, brother. Yeah, how are you, man? Great, great. It was nice to meet you at F1, and I really loved your episode of Sean Ryan. I fucking love that dude.
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Thanks, man. Yeah, Sean is... He's the man. He's awesome. I love Sean.
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I'm so glad there's guys like him doing this, that there's more people like him that are, like, finding new ways to, like... You know, media is so wide open now, and it's not... You don't have to get hired by a television station anymore.
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You can just start your own shit and Sean's shows.
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fucking great yeah he's great Sean's I love him as a person yeah I love him too he's great he's an awesome dude and I loved you on that show but god damn man that show was crazy like your childhood was so nuts dude hearing about you living in a brothel when you were 12 years old
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Fuck, dude. Your whole story was so nuts, man. I was listening to it in the sauna this morning. And I was like, oh my God. So I'm there cooking at 195 degrees, listening to you struggle.
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I was in there for a half an hour, which I usually do 20 minutes, but I kept going. I'm like, his life was so fucked up. I feel like I shouldn't bail right now. I should keep listening.
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I feel like, but I'm not the only one, you know what I mean? I feel like where I was in the army is full of guys just like that. A hundred percent. Yeah.
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A hundred percent. Yeah. And I think in some, well, fighters as well, you know, a lot of fighters that I know, like Sean Strickland, a lot of guys that I know had fucked up childhoods. I think it gives you an extra gear.
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I think when you can get through a childhood like that, you got an extra place that you can go to that other dudes can't go to. And in your line of work, that comes in very handy.
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Yeah. Well, I think it works like this. I never heard it as an extra gear, but here's the way I always equated it. You know you're going to get a beating, and it's coming at five o'clock. You know after dinner they're going to be hammered.
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And this is another argument and fight, and it's a pattern, right? And you know this as a kid, right? And what happens is you got to take that beating and then put your church clothes on. We're going to church. You know what I mean?
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And the truth is, is like, I think my brother more than me, but I think my mom actually had him convinced that we were super bad kids.
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And like, you know, we were, I don't know, a couple of years ago, I was like, you know, like, you ever met an actual bad, like four or six or eight year old?
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No, it's how they're raised. It's all in how they're raised.
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And then it was kind of like, I think it was an eye opener for him, but like, it was always our fault.
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Well, that's the thing you can convince kids of almost anything you can convince them. That's their fault You can convince them that they're bad kids and then they feel bad for the rest of their fucking life They feel like a piece of shit.
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Yeah, there's a lot of people out there that didn't do anything wrong They're just raised by shitheads and for their whole life. They feel like garbage. Yeah, and they don't know why Yeah, I agree. It's so hard to snap out of that too.
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And it takes something for you to do that makes you feel valuable and worthwhile. Like you have to kind of like relearn who you are as a person.
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Yeah.
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And some people never do.
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Yeah.
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And then they, you know, find meth or heroin or something that takes the edge away. Yeah. And they can just exist.
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Yeah. Well, I'll tell you that was the army for me. Like the first time I ever felt like like I fit in or I was with people like me was when I was, you know, in Ranger Battalion.
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Yeah. I think fighting is the same way. A lot of those guys, the only time they ever feel normal is when they're in a gym with a bunch of other savages. Yeah.
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It's like guys who want to do that for a living, you know, generally something fucking terribly wrong happened when you were young that put this anger, this monster inside of you.
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Well, I tell you the, I tell people all the time, jujitsu is my sanity.
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Yeah. Jiu-jitsu is meditation, man. Because if you are doing jiu-jitsu, you can't be thinking about anything else.
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Right.
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So it cleans your mind up. You know, we were talking about bow hunting.
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Yeah.
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I think that's the same thing. I think in a different way. It's just when you're doing that, it's so difficult. You can't think about anything else.
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Right. I love when I'm, I don't even care if I get or see an elk today, the places I go to get these elk, I could just sit there all day anyway. I know. You know what I mean?
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The fact that like one of these majestic beasts is going to walk 20 yards from me, fucking bonus.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I just, you know what I'm saying?
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Like, and I feel the same about jujitsu, you know, like, uh, I, I always like in jujitsu when someone does like what you call high level jujitsu to me as it's happening, like couldn't, I don't care if you're smashing my fucking face. That was amazing.
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Are you kidding me? Like, let's take a moment here.
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It's amazing that someone can do that. Yeah. You know, I remember when I was first starting jujitsu, I was like 30 years old, and I thought I was a badass. I had kickboxed, I had won a bunch of Taekwondo tournaments. I thought I knew how to fight.
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And I remember one day when I was a white belt, this purple belt just raped me. I mean, he was my size. This was what drove me crazy. He wasn't bigger than me. And he just destroyed me. Just destroyed, just did whatever he wanted.
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Triangled me, armbarred me, choked me. And I remember walking out of there going, I can't, first of all, what a shift of who you are in the world, knowing that someone can just do that to you.
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Not a bigger guy, someone your size can just, you're helpless. And then I remember thinking, I gotta get good at this. Having that as a skill, that's one of the greatest things you could ever have.
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Because that's what martial arts was supposed to be when we were kids, that the smaller person could beat the larger person just with technique. Correct. Until Horace Gracie came along, you never really saw that. The bigger guys always won.
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And then Horace Gracie, all of a sudden, he's killing people from his back. And we're like, what is going on?
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This is crazy. He's losing. He's not losing.
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All of a sudden, he's like, he's strangling some guy with his legs. We're like, what the fuck is this?
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Yeah, I agree. I agree. I'll tell you. I met Hoyce, like we, you know, in the early days we'd bring Hoyce and Horian was actually the first Gracie I met before Hoyce, right?
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But we'd bring Hoyce in and like watching these guys, like, you know, we'd get like 60 guys up on the mat and this is hard to do. And this is a lot of guys because it's Hoyce, you know, and he would,
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run through every dude yeah every dude and it was like not like not like it was a close match it was like whatever dude from the defo stepped in front of him was the 12 year old child against the fucking an adult Yeah, you know what I mean?
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Like you just fucking handled everybody and I remember one of those times He just fucking I did something and he cinched down on me like a spider and I couldn't fucking move and he goes Yes, I did not think of this. This is good move.
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And I was like, I don't even know what the fuck I'm doing You know what? I mean? I wasn't even a white belt yet It was just he was just fucking me up, you know, but I knew like right then and there I was fucking helpless and
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Yeah, it's a weird feeling.
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And like, yo, unacceptable.
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You know what I mean? Unacceptable, that's the right word. Yeah, right? Unacceptable.
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That's the right word, yeah. Like, you gotta learn this. You gotta know some of it, you know what I mean?
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And even back then, like, we would all tell Hoyce, you know, because we were more Muay Thai, we would train a lot of Muay Thai, boxing, wrestling, a lot of wrestling.
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You know before the Jets and like we would tell hoist back then as soon as you learn to punch You are super dangerous, which is I think where it is now.
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Yeah. Well, I think wrestling is kind of There's like so many elite wrestlers now that have learned submissions and that extra skill of being able to throw bodies around is another level. I agree. Because wrestlers can learn jiu-jitsu pretty easy.
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An elite wrestler, you take a guy like a Bo Nickel or a Daniel Cormier, teach them jiu-jitsu, they're gonna, Hamza Chamayev's the best example of that. You teach a guy like that submissions, he already knows how to ragdoll people.
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So he has this ability to take everybody down, and then on top of that, he's gonna break your neck. I think wrestling is like the foundation. That's the one thing, because then you can dictate whether to fight.
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And then once you learn submissions, which is pretty easy for a wrestler to learn, it's pretty similar. It's the same sport.
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I used to wrestle and it's like the cradle for the pin versus an armbar, right?
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In my opinion. Sure. D'Arce chokes, all these different things come from similar positions. But then stand up, you know, you have to have stand up today because I think, you know, I've been talking about this a lot. I don't think
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I think when you have a fight and it's five rounds, say of a fight, if a guy's mounted on top of a guy at the end of the first round, I think the second round should start with that guy mounted on top of you.
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I don't think they should start standing up because it doesn't make any sense. Like you didn't earn that stand up. That guy took you down. He got on top of you. He's mounted on you. You're about to get fucked up.
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And then all of a sudden you have a reprieve from the governor because the round is over and now you're standing up again. And if you're a striker, that's your world, but you didn't earn that position. It's one fight, it's not five fights.
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It's one fight. So why should you have a beginning of every round where you're standing up?
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Yeah, I agree.
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I agree with that. If I could change the rules, that's the first rule that I would change. I would say whatever position you were in at the end of the round, that's where you start.
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I completely agree with that. And I always feel like that it just fucks shit up. You know what I mean? And then, you know this, doing jujitsu is like, seconds matter.
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And this fight could turn around in seconds, but those seconds can't happen if we stop this early. A hundred percent.
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Yeah.
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I agree with that.
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Well, the early days were wild, right? Because there was no time limit.
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Hey, that's what I watched. The early days is my heyday. Like, I could not get enough. I was, you know, a fight dummy for hoists, Sakuraba who else Oh always so okay I tell you a quick story about hoist he he comes out we're doing jets with him and
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I'm a new guy. So I'm like, Hey, you could share my wall locker. Right. And you got a wall locker and you got like your towel. Cause the showers down the hallway, you know what I mean? Like, uh, have my clothes. Right.
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And then, so Hoist put his family pictures and I didn't notice this, but they slowly did this. Him and my team re-tagged everything with like my last name and team numbers with Hoist. So they re-tagged all my gear as Hoyce.
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Hoyce put his kids' pictures up over mine. One day I'm in my locker like, is this my locker? What the fuck? What the fuck is going on? And I'm like, whose kids are these? And then Hoyce is like, yes, you like my kids? And I'm like, oh, those are your kids?
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No, that's cool, right? Years later, I'm in Iraq and I'm like,
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I gotta go for like one of these surges into Fallujah with another squadron and like their ops are major calling me by name and it's like I've been in Iraq like 30 seconds these guys are calling me by name like what the fuck you know and then he was like we're getting your stuff it's on it's on the helicopter you need to get on this little bird we're leaving like 20 minutes and literally I got on the little bird
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They bring my kid over, I get my shit on, right? And they're like, yo, whose shit is, hey, Royce? Is there a Royce? Royce? You know what I mean? And then my bag is fucking still tagged with Royce's name years later.
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That's hilarious. So you started training martial arts in when you were in the military in the unit. Yeah in the unit So did they have like was it like technical training? Did they teach you did you did they have like real instructors? How does it work?
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Yeah, so in training, when you kind of make it to the unit, there's a hand to hand program. A lot of the hand to hand program is like, traditionally, like you got to cuff people, you know what I mean?
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Like, which is all Japanese wrist locks, which is a foundation for a lot of shit, right? But, uh, you know, you learn that stuff, like how, if you have a weapon, how to like approach somebody, if they grab your weapon, what to do.
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So it was all like a weapon focused, like more like self defense. But I think back then in my day, right in the nineties, it was still bro. Come at me like this. You know what I mean? And you're like, why the fuck would I stand like this ever?
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Like, what the fuck was I doing that got me here? You know what I mean? So it was always some, back then there was a lot of hocus pocus. So we kind of had our own training program.
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And then as my years, the training program got better because we started getting hoist. We started ground fighting, you know? I think the premise for everything they taught in my day when I was a student,
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was like, you know, weapons retention, Japanese wrist lock to get someone cuffed, you know, two-man cuffing procedures, searching, and then, like, how to defend yourself if someone grabbed your weapon or if you went to the ground, right?
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Right, which is all stuff you have to know. Right. But there wasn't a lot of like just one-on-one.
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No, no. It's like, you know, you're in the you're in the gym. They roll out the wrestling mat and it's like, OK, come at the guy like with your rifle and then, you know, a bunch of fucking white belts basically like out there fucking around basically.
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Does it was it like there was there a system like a training system?
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Yeah, there was a there was a system back then and the system was really I think kind of four things without Really knowing what they did back then. I went through the training, but I don't really know what the
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hand-to-hand was back then until later when I was like in the hand-to-hand program or fighting with guys, you know what I mean? But I would say this back then I'd say it was wrestling. It was Muay Thai, right?
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It was a little bit of Japanese wrist locks and some Filipino martial arts. Collie yeah, we had guys that would do the sticks.
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I know a little bit of the sticks You know like first time I got smacked 37 fucking times around the head was another This guy was like what the fuck was that like how do these sticks move so fucking fast?
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You know dudes are good with that are very impressive
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Yeah, super impressed. So I think that was really the foundation, like, and you know, maybe like some, I don't know, like dirty boxing, I would kind of imagine, you know what I mean?
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Clinching.
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Yeah, clinching, punching, stuff like that.
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How did the Filipinos develop that stick fighting? Where did that come from? It's weird that one culture is known for their stick fighting.
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Kind of odd, right? I love all that. The stick fighting, what do they call it? Pantoukin or whatever. The dirty boxing they do. All very, make your opponent off balance at the same time you can strike.
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Or if they are trying to strike you, knock them off balance.
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I'm just I've always been so fascinated how different cultures have a completely different approach to fighting like the ties Figured out the best way to fight stand-up.
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Yeah kick the shit out of the legs Yeah, fucking kick his leg elbow the fuck out of people in the clinch, you know Plung, knees, knees to the body, knees to the face. They figured out striking in a way that nobody else had. It's weird that they did it.
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And I think it's just because of the competition all the time and the betting. Because they were fighting so often, and they had so much money on the line for fighting, that they developed a very pragmatic way of fighting.
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Because they were fighting all the time, as opposed to karate or any of these other things. I don't think they were really fighting as much.
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Well, we don't I mean think about America like prior to Mike Tyson boxing was kind of like Americans if they would have seen like Hicks and Gracie, you know Hicks and Gracie would have been popular in like the 70s or 60s people have been like
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Well, that's not civilized fighting. You know what I mean? Like, get your dukes up. This has got to be fair. You know what I mean? Americans have a very fair sense of what fighting should be. Like, Americans hate, like, dirty fighting.
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But, you know, all Muay Thai and Kali and all that, that was all seen, you know, those guys would come from Asia, fight around the States here, fucking kick everyone's ass, and people still weren't attracted to it.
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Did you ever see, there's one fight that's like one of the most important fights in kickboxing, where Rick Rufus, who is like the king of American style kickboxing, like above the waist kickboxing, fought this Thai guy.
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I forget how, I can't pronounce the guy's name correctly, so I don't want to butcher it. But this, and Rick Rufus was fucking him up in the beginning. He dropped him, he had him in real trouble. Rick Rufus was really good.
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But this dude just kept chopping at the legs, chopping at the legs. And by the end of the fight, Rick's in a heap on the ground.
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And his own brother, Duke Rufus, who became a world Muay Thai champion himself later, and became one of the best trainers in MMA. So this is the fight. What happened? Oh, that's his name? Good luck saying that one.
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But, oh this is not, this is a different, this is like a compilation of a bunch of different people fighting, that's not. This is it, the fight that changed kickboxing. So this fight, well this isn't it, this is a bunch of other shit.
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Go into the fight itself. That's fucking Chuck Norris, I seen Chuck in there. Chuck was legit, Chuck was very legit, so this is the fight. So in the beginning, Rick Rufus, who's like this above-the-weight kick, so he drops him with the left hand.
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Rick was really fucking good, man. He was really good. But they just didn't know anything about the leg kicks. And after the fight, his brother Duke was like, well, I don't think there's any skill involved in kicking the legs.
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And he was saying that, look, he drops him again. So he dropped him two times. Looked like Rick is fucking him up. But this Thai guy, he's probably had 200 fights, and he just keeps kicking at the legs. And after a while, Rick's legs are just dead.
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I mean, the Thai guy's getting lit up. But Rick became an unbelievable leg kicker himself after this. But no one knew. They just didn't know. So as the fight goes on, and this is like a huge challenge match. See, look, he drops him with this leg kick.
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After a while, Rick just can't move anymore. And this dude, I don't wanna say- He ain't even running away well. No, his legs are dead right now. And he's just getting, every time this tie's kicking him, he can barely walk.
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And at the end of the fight, he winds up in a heap. Because he just doesn't know. He doesn't know yet. And he's getting dumped, too. Look at these fucking low kicks. Devastating low kicks. And at the end of the fight, he's just in a heap on the ground.
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Yeah, his kick had no power there.
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But the thing is, Rick was really fucking good back in the day. That didn't show at the end of the fight. But at the end of the fight, he brutalized him with just low kicks. The Ties had figured something out that nobody had figured out.
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And it's kind of shocking. This one area of the world like this one small island. Yeah, they figured it out. Yeah, it's kind of crazy. Love it Yeah, I love it too. It's just and then Brazilian jiu-jitsu, right? Yeah.
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Yeah till you know Maeda comes to Brazil in like the 1930s or some shit whenever that was and then they go the Brazilians like, huh? I think we can fix this
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Yeah, they started like you know because ilio was a small guy and helio is like going well What about if we just did it this way with leverage and just instead of using strength we use technique and Changed everything yeah change martial arts forever.
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Yeah, I love it. I love all yeah I'll tell you that leg kick is my go-to in Iraq and Afghanistan you know what I mean like I get about this far from you. This is good distance for me.
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You can't grab my weapons, but what I would do is I'd throw the Thai leg kick, but I wouldn't aim for the middle of the thigh. I don't care about your pain.
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I'd hit your knee and either it's going to break your knee or it's going to knock you out of your little fucking slippers. And then I just stand on your neck.
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Yeah, it's one of the most effective things you could do. You take away someone's base. And you know, that's the crazy thing about MMA is now we're learning that kicking in the calf is actually even more effective than kicking in the thigh.
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Because there's no meat there. And you slam a shin into that and all of a sudden your foot goes floppy. It doesn't work anymore. Your leg's useless. It's crazy. And we've figured that out over the last five or six years, which is really nuts.
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Like Michael Bisping, who was a world champion, told me he went his whole career without ever getting kicked in the calf. Wow.
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And that was like, you know, four or five years ago, he was a world champion and went his entire career without getting kicked in the calf. Nuts. It's nuts. It's like it's constantly changing and evolving. Yeah.
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Like people find something that works and they're like, oh, what about this?
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I love that it's always evolving too.
00:23:38 Speaker_01
Well, martial arts have evolved more in the last 30 years than they have in the last 30,000 years. I agree. That's a fact. Yeah. That's a fact. And that's kind of shocking. You think about how long people have been fighting.
00:23:50 Speaker_03
I don't know. You know, I see this, you know, I shoot every day. I teach people to shoot all over the country all the time. Right. And it's kind of interesting to me that, um, Don't think it works like that You know what?
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I mean like you would you would think people would have been doing this right the whole time But there's like a lot of myth involved and and it gets watered down over time I think a lot of times even in shooting.
00:24:16 Speaker_03
Yeah, like what are the myths and shooting? Oh so fucking many man, like do we got the time? Fucking shred this shit the NRA I go to I speak at the NRA shows like I The NRA hires me. I speak at the NRA show this year.
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I actually got roofied in fucking Dallas at the NRA show. Yeah, no shit. Do you know who did it? This is crazy, right? Okay, I have an assistant, right? Don't know.
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She's like 30 blonde girl pretty girl her and her husband or or with me and I'm with like the surefire Representative like yo, sorry.
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We got you roofied by the way and then like some other guys right and We get done with the show and we just go have a drink or two and we're going into like the hotel Restaurant to eat a nice steak dinner, you know what? I mean?
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So we get a round of drinks and it was like well old fashions is what it was, well old fashions. And my assistant's like, I sit next to her, she's like, I just can't drink anymore. You know what I mean? Like these are horrible old fashions.
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I just can't, I just can't drink these anymore. And it was like, Hey, we'll be at dinner in a minute. They got good booze at the good restaurant. We'll get anything you want. Right? So,
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She's like, okay, so I was like here I'll take it so I held my cup up and then I kind of held my cup up the surefire guy her husband and she kind of fills us all up equally and So so somebody was trying to roofie her her right?
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So yeah, this is in Dallas, right? So, okay, so We go to dinner, I don't know, I get this Wagyu burger, it's fucking delicious, I'm kind of buzzed, I'm drinking good whiskey, you know what I mean? We're having a good time, right?
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I love good food, right? So, I'm having a great time, her husband's at the end of the table, and all of a sudden, and this is like within 45 minutes of that drink, which I also didn't know, right?
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So his head hits the table, boom, and I look at him and I'm like, like, like, is he okay? And then like, hey, you know how like, you know, them blow up pools where you pull down the side and the water just kind of glides over the top?
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You know, his mouth opens and it was just like, whoa, across the table. You know what I mean? And I was like, I pushed it away from the table, like, so it didn't leak on me. And I was like, we got to go. You know what I mean? It's time to leave.
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You know what I mean? I'll get the check by the front door or something. You know what I mean? But it's, we definitely, it's time. And you weren't feeling it yet? No, I wasn't. I didn't, I didn't feel anything yet. Right. So, okay.
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So it was like, I never seen this happen to this guy ever. Right. So he, this isn't him that like, So it's kind of weird, right? So my assistant's like, hey, I'll take him up to the room.
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I was like, okay, well, we're gonna go have a few more drinks at the bar, right? So me and the other guy go to the bar. She goes up to her room, right?
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I don't know any of this is happening, but as soon as they get to the room, the head of security's knocking on the door. So my assistant answers, and I guess the guy was like, is there a guy that threw up in the restaurant here?
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And she's like, he's in the bathtub naked right now. And then the head of security like, hey, we watched the tapes, ton of info comes out, right? So I don't know who did it. I think so. But like, and then did it tell you? No, no, no.
00:27:37 Speaker_03
They they talked to my assistant and then her husband, right? Like, so I go down to the bar, right? I put my credit card on the bar and like, I fucking party till all hours of the night, yo.
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What did I learn if you roofie me like you're gonna wait six hours to get that booty cuz once you give me drugs I want a party baby.
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You know what I mean like So I'm out like I don't know what the fuck that the surefire guy fucking Peters out I mean, I'm probably just in the lobby alone like It's fucked up.
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I don't know if I know what was in it fuck.
00:28:10 Speaker_03
No I
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It was just something. It wasn't necessarily Rufinol. It was probably something.
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I don't know what it was. So the next day we check out, right? Show's over, we check out. My assistant's knocking on my door, right? And I'm a get up early guy. I do my cardio, you know, so I'm normally up early and she's knocking on my door, right?
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So I answer my door and I'm like thinking, the fuck is she doing here so early? Right? Both of her and her husband. And she's like, you know, I'm glad you're okay. And I'm like, uh, what? You know what I mean? And she's like, what, what?
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And she looks, she's looking at me. She's like, Not you too, and I'm like, me too, what? You know what I mean? I'm kind of foggy, right? It was like fucking, it was checkout, it was after checkout time.
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I slept till like fucking one in the afternoon the next day. I had the worst fucking hangover ever. Like, if that was Rufy's do, the hangover, I understand why people don't do them recreationally, you know what I mean?
00:29:11 Speaker_03
Like, I had the worst fucking hangover. So she's like, let's go.
00:29:16 Speaker_01
Did anybody get tested to find out what it is?
00:29:18 Speaker_03
Mm-mm. No, they had to fly home that afternoon. They got me in my Sprinter van. I had to go do a class somewhere else. I was on the fucking road. So they drove me to breakfast, got me something to eat, kind of sobered me up a little bit.
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And then they went to the airport, dropped me off, and I drove somewhere else in Texas. I was working here. And then the head of security talked to her and her husband, called them a couple days later, check on them, make sure they were OK.
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Long story short is we had a round of drinks that none of us ordered come to our table. And they came to our table from the same waitress that we had. You know what I mean? So somehow we got a round of drinks and we even paid for them.
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And when I got the bill, like, I don't know, we had two drinks and we were getting ready to go. And then a third one came and I just figured someone, one of these, someone ordered it, you know what I mean? It'll be fine. And then I just paid for it all.
00:30:14 Speaker_03
Didn't not even think of it.
00:30:16 Speaker_01
And so did the security know who roofied you?
00:30:19 Speaker_03
I think so. And they didn't tell you? I think they told my assistant. And you didn't ask her? No, I didn't care. I think it was like a targeted thing where they just fucking rob you. You know what I'm saying?
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I like I don't think I mean, all right first and foremost I think everyone's trying to burgle booty holes this day and age and you got to keep your safe So there's that right?
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But I also think like I think it was like they know all these people are in for these conventions so they try to drug somebody and just You could have just took my- I'd have handed you my wallet. You know what I mean? Fuck it. It's not a crime.
00:30:58 Speaker_01
He handed me. It happened to a buddy of mine recently. Oh yeah? Yeah. He met this girl and they go back to his place and then he wakes up the next day and he's robbed.
00:31:06 Speaker_01
Stole his Rolex, stole $25,000 in cash from him, but he got tested and he had, I think it was Xanax. She piled a bunch of Xanax into his drink and he was just out. Didn't know what the fuck happened. Came to the club afterwards.
00:31:21 Speaker_01
He was like all fucked up. Came to the comedy club. He's a comedian, Hans Kim. Shout out to Hans. Hilarious guy. So he's like, something happened. I don't know what happened.
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Gets his hair tested and they they found that there's roofies in him. Damn. Well, I don't even know you can be tested Yeah, you can be tested.
00:33:57 Speaker_01
Oh shit, but you there's like a time period you think if you test hair It'll like last a little longer and I think he laid it waited a day So they had a test hair but within a certain time period they can test you and find out what it is And they said did you take any Xanax?
00:34:10 Speaker_01
He's like, no, I'm like, you know a lot of Xanax in your system And apparently that's one of the things that they give people to rob them. Damn
00:34:16 Speaker_03
Does it cause a hangover?
00:34:17 Speaker_01
I'm sure. Fuck. It's got to. Fuck, if you're going to drug me. Anything that's going to whack you out is going to cause it.
00:34:22 Speaker_03
If you're going to rob me, I just want to say this to the world, if you're going to fucking rob me, give me the non-hangover shit.
00:34:29 Speaker_01
You're getting my shit anyway. What is the non-hangover shit?
00:34:32 Speaker_03
I don't know, whatever that shit is. You know more about drugs than me.
00:34:34 Speaker_01
I was in the army my whole life. I don't think it exists. Damn it, Joe. I think it's prescription stuff or GHB. I know a lot of people give people GHB. I've heard of that. That just gets you like, you don't know what the fuck's going on. I've heard of that.
00:34:45 Speaker_01
I've heard of people getting roofied. If I was a woman, I'd be fucking terrified to accept a drink from anybody. Fuck. I've talked to so many ladies that have had their alcohol drugged by someone.
00:34:57 Speaker_01
Women go to bars, they keep their fucking hand over their drink all the time. Even when they're turning around and looking away, because they just never know. Some guy just dropped something in there real quick.
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Next thing you know, you're going home with them. You don't even know where you are.
00:35:08 Speaker_03
I had a buddy, he doesn't even drink, someone convinced him to have a glass of wine, small town North Carolina, and the cops pulled him over not far down the road and he was like, I don't know what's going on but I can't feel my hands, you know what I mean?
00:35:25 Speaker_03
Like and he's like, he's just a regular guy, you know, and they brought him back to the station and someone had put I think it was a little bit of fentanyl in the wine and like he he left and he said he felt fine and he was driving he said Like I don't feel right even though like he doesn't really add one glass of wine like you might he doesn't even drink You know, I don't even know why he had a glass of wine.
00:35:47 Speaker_03
Someone probably talked him into it you know, I mean he probably didn't even finish it but He's like, you know, he said he was lucky. He felt lucky.
00:35:53 Speaker_02
There's some fucking non-human people out there.
00:35:55 Speaker_03
I'm telling you, that's one of the things I wanted to talk about today is like, there's fucking real evil in the world and in Iraq, in Afghanistan, you go into these fucked up places where they've been like, I don't know, fucking raping, beheading people, fucking tribal shit forever.
00:36:13 Speaker_03
Forever. Like there was buildings I didn't even want to fucking go in. Like you'd go and you'd be like,
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every fucking hair on my body just be standing up and I'm at the doorway and be like I don't even want to clear this fucking building you know what I mean and I don't know fucking why but I know there's fucking old evil in this world. Evil's real.
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It's fucking real.
00:36:31 Speaker_01
And if you've never experienced it you could walk around delusional think oh come on. It's real you can feel it like
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When I'm around real evil shit, only two places I felt real evil shit in my life is Gettysburg and fucking in Iraq, Afghanistan. Yeah, I felt that like I did because I felt evil before and it like makes me want to throw up. It hurts my stomach.
00:36:55 Speaker_01
I mean in the area of Gettysburg. Yeah.
00:36:58 Speaker_03
Yeah on the battlefield stepfather felt the same thing and he's not woo-woo at all He's like a real straight-edge guy fuck man, and then he said it felt so creepy I was almost gonna me and me and my son were out there ghost hunting right and we were both gonna throw up and and
00:37:14 Speaker_03
I didn't tell him but like I had felt that feeling before.
00:37:17 Speaker_01
It's crazy that you said that about Gettysburg because my stepdad's never said anything like that before and he said just the feeling it was so sad and creepy and you just wanted to get out of there immediately. Makes me want to throw up that feeling.
00:37:29 Speaker_01
I think places have memory. I really believe that.
00:37:32 Speaker_03
Well, I think it's energy and I don't think it can be created or fucking, you've talked to science guys, right?
00:37:38 Speaker_01
Energy don't go away, right? Well, I think you just don't see it and you can't measure it. So you assume it's not there. But I think that's one of the reasons why when someone gets murdered in a house, they have to tell you about it.
00:37:49 Speaker_01
Right, they have to because like people they they know like there was JonBenet Ramsey's house when I lived in Boulder I lived in Boulder for a while and we were looking at houses to buy and There was this one house.
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It was like really cheap for the house.
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I was like, this is a nice fucking house They had changed the name of the street so they could try to sell this house Because everybody knew that it was the house that JonBenet Ramsey had been killed in they couldn't fucking sell the house and we were look Yeah, fuck that house
00:38:15 Speaker_01
We were looking at the house on Lake Zillow, and we're like, oh, that's a beautiful house. Maybe we should go check out this house. And then we found out. We're like, oh, that's why they can't sell it. Like, oh, man.
00:38:24 Speaker_01
Like, they changed the name of the street to try to sell this house. It's fucked up. They should have just bulldozed it. They should have bulldozed it and then What do you do about the ground? It's still there.
00:38:35 Speaker_01
Would you want to live in a place where they bulldoze the house where a little girl getting killed?
00:38:39 Speaker_03
Fuck that. Not even joking about it.
00:38:42 Speaker_01
I don't want to live there. No, no one wants to live there. I don't even know what it is now. I mean, I don't know if anybody ever bought it.
00:38:48 Speaker_03
I grew up in old houses in the Chicago area, you know what I mean? And like some of them houses were creepy for no reason and some weren't. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah.
00:38:57 Speaker_01
Yeah. There's something there's something to that.
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But I was I was in Iraq and I was in one of them like, you know, Uday and Kuse like fucking raped people. Them guys were evil.
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you went to like their like their palace all that kind of shit all of them my yeah i i carried i carried their bodies off an airplane and had to guard them until they got cleaned up by the morgan dna tested but uh
00:39:25 Speaker_03
Them fucking guys them palaces like they would pick up like fucking twelve-year-olds off the street.
00:39:31 Speaker_03
They didn't give him to dog The Lions we found them fucking so who they had Lions and the Lions were it's not funny But I mean it's kind of humorous, but I think it's funny
00:39:42 Speaker_03
The Lions were like on The the army side the big army side and they were inside this fence, right?
00:39:50 Speaker_03
And then the Lions were like just lazy as fuck didn't care about no army guys And then one day I seen a lady and kids walk by and they're just behind chain-link and them fucking Lions went nuts and I knew like only that Fuck. Yeah
00:40:07 Speaker_03
Fuck yeah, they were fucking evil.
00:40:09 Speaker_01
I have read so many horrible stories about those guys that they would find a woman who was getting married and they would rape her and then feed her to their dogs.
00:40:17 Speaker_03
Yeah. Or the fucking carp outside the palaces, you know, them big lakes full of these giant carps that just are going to eat bodies like you read about.
00:40:27 Speaker_03
Yeah, but so I was down in one of those one night just cuz like I could be and I had my flashlight always been fascinated by ghost hunting by the way So I'm down there by myself just exploring.
00:40:39 Speaker_03
You know what I mean and like fucking door slammed on me You know what? I mean? I was freaked the fuck out. I'm the only one down there. You know what I mean? Like I Freaked me the fuck out, man.
00:40:51 Speaker_03
And the energy down in those fucking rape rooms or whatever the fuck, I don't know what the fuck you call it. They did fucking bad shit there. It's just like, I don't know. You ever ride a roller coaster and it turns your stomach?
00:41:08 Speaker_03
That's how it feels to me in them rooms. I don't know what that is, but it makes me almost wanna throw up. And the stronger it is, the more I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
00:41:16 Speaker_01
But Yeah, we're such fucking monsters It's just so crazy that that that story repeats itself over and over again like the sons of kings Yeah, they grow up that way are always just super fucking evil because they have unchecked power from the time They're a child.
00:41:35 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah, I got I gotta be honest if I could clone myself and I'd had like a mini me right now I would abuse him Just to make sure he grows up, right? I would raise him, right? You know what I mean?
00:41:46 Speaker_03
Like, uh, I don't, and I, when I say abuse him, I mean like force him to work hard.
00:41:51 Speaker_01
Yeah. Fucking earn his shit his whole fucking life.
00:41:54 Speaker_03
I mean like, yeah, I had a guy like I had a, uh, I don't know what he was. I was in the Middle East somewhere and I, uh, one of the guys asked me like, Are American babies stupid?" And I'm like, what? And he's like, are American babies stupid?
00:42:08 Speaker_03
And I'm like, why? And he's like, well, in America, like, there would be a fence at the edge of the cliff so the baby can't go over. In my country, like, the baby knows don't go by the cliff.
00:42:18 Speaker_01
And I'm like, uh, I don't know. Like, fuck, what the fuck? I bet they don't. I bet the babies that don't know go off the cliff and those genes never propagate. Again. Yeah. Yeah. That's the most harsh form of natural selection. Darwinism right there.
00:42:33 Speaker_01
The most harsh form of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No fucking, I mean, kids that grow up outside lock key kids. Like when I was a kid, you just got left out of the house by have fun. And you figure out who's the child molester. You figure out who's a creep.
00:42:48 Speaker_01
Who's what's dangerous. Don't go near the train tracks. Can't hear the train till it's too late. Stay away from the kids that gets hit. Yeah. At the liquor store. Exactly. Yeah.
00:42:56 Speaker_03
Yeah. I did the same thing.
00:42:58 Speaker_01
You learn about danger.
00:42:59 Speaker_03
Yeah. I tell you, I got my first key. I was six. I fucking lost it like the same day. My mom's yelling at me and she's like, you know, what do you got to say for yourself? I was like, I still remember, it's like one of my oldest memories.
00:43:13 Speaker_03
I was like, I'm six? And she was just kinda like.
00:43:19 Speaker_03
I'm six like I had it one fucking day like I never carried a key in my life like of course I'm gonna fuck this up you know and she was like we can't afford all these keys you know what I mean right but at the same time like I'm fucking six you know so we ended up having to hide it somewhere and then you know cuz my brother wasn't good at fucking keys either like
00:43:38 Speaker_01
You know, it's fucked up that I don't want that to happen to my kids. I mean, my life was nothing like your life, but I was definitely let loose in the world and not really given any guidance. Kinda let loose with no guidance.
00:43:52 Speaker_01
But that's how you make a person like you. A person like you doesn't come from a home that has, like, you know, you're coddled, you're taken care of, you're always protected.
00:44:03 Speaker_01
Like, the only way you make, like, a legit beast of a man is that that man has to go through a lot of shit through their life, and then they come out on the other end hard. It's the only way.
00:44:14 Speaker_01
You don't, you know, I've never met, like, a world champion fighter that came from, like, the happiest of childhoods. It just doesn't exist.
00:44:22 Speaker_03
I don't think a lot of unit or special forces or ranger guys, like, I used to call it the fatherless, you know what I mean?
00:44:30 Speaker_03
And it works kind of two ways either You had a dad But he worked and he came home and he passed out and he woke up and he was gone before you got up And when you got home, he was asleep on the couch or already out for the night because he fucking works fucking
00:44:45 Speaker_03
a lot of hours. Or you kind of just didn't have a dad, you know what I mean? Right. Those people make Special Forces soldiers.
00:44:53 Speaker_03
Just like, you know, dad issues for a chick or put her on a pole, those same issues in a dude puts them in Special Forces, I think. Yeah. And I'll take the fatherless all day long.
00:45:02 Speaker_01
Yeah, yeah. Well, those are the world champions. I mean, that's Mike Tyson, right? Yeah, he was 13 years old, no family. Yeah, gets adopted by a guy as a psychologist, who's all you know, a hypnotist. Yeah.
00:45:16 Speaker_01
And is a great boxing coach and teaches them to become this elite fighter. And I kind of think that you don't become that guy unless you're dealing with all sorts of unspeakable tragedy and horrors, right when you're a child.
00:45:29 Speaker_01
Well, you wouldn't have that kind of focus without that You wouldn't have that monster inside like you have to that monster has to grow because it needs to be there, right?
00:45:37 Speaker_03
Yeah Yeah, I would say like and I don't know what the ratio is but I would say like one out of every fucking hundred or 300 is like the fucking high school quarterback who married the fucking prom king very rare Yeah, I think I only knew one of those guys
00:45:53 Speaker_01
Yeah, those guys I bet if you dig into their childhood that dad was probably a little abusive. Yeah, or their mom or brother Yeah, something there's not these older brothers.
00:46:03 Speaker_01
It's like you want to find the young brother the young brothers the beast I'm the little brother The young brother gets beat up by the older brother and just constantly in battle his whole life
00:46:14 Speaker_01
Like so many fighters, the best fighters have like, like Chris Weidman's got a great story like that.
00:46:20 Speaker_03
Well, I mean, think about this. If you had to fight your bigger brother off your whole life, you would be good at Jitsu. Why? Because you understand leverage, you understand patience, wait for the move, take some punishment, move later.
00:46:31 Speaker_03
You know the deal, right?
00:46:32 Speaker_01
You're also accustomed to being in battle all the time with your brother.
00:46:37 Speaker_03
Right.
00:46:37 Speaker_01
Yeah.
00:46:38 Speaker_03
Hickson was a little brother to Holes.
00:46:40 Speaker_01
Yeah, yeah, same thing. Yeah, and Horian. Yeah, Hickson is, he's such a unique guy because he was like the first guy that figured out like that physical strength, yoga, all the gymnastic natural stuff that he did, flexibility. Breathing.
00:46:58 Speaker_01
Yeah, he was like a physical specimen on top of being super technical. Yeah. So he had like both things.
00:47:05 Speaker_03
Yeah, he had it all.
00:47:06 Speaker_01
Yeah.
00:47:07 Speaker_03
Way before people knew.
00:47:08 Speaker_01
Way before.
00:47:10 Speaker_03
He he knew the winning mindset and how to keep that Mental edge with all the other things and the fighting was just something that he grew up to do I think Yeah, he had that samurai mindset.
00:47:25 Speaker_03
Yeah, I'm telling you I think he like I Talked to a lot of people. I know some legendary guys from the army, right? When he talks it's like this weird time vortex You ever talk to him?
00:47:39 Speaker_01
Yeah, I've had a couple podcasts with him. Wow.
00:47:42 Speaker_03
Like, it's incredible, you know?
00:47:43 Speaker_01
I went over his house once in, like, 2000, and him and his son, and we were watching Colosseum. So Colosseum was, like, the last time he fought when he fought Funaki. And we were watching all the different fights.
00:48:00 Speaker_01
He had a tape of it, and we were watching it. And he was breaking down all the things that all these guys were doing wrong. It was such a fascinating education. He was like, there's too much space. You start here.
00:48:12 Speaker_01
There's too much space and he goes he had this good accent by the way if he goes we started a neutral point We started a neutral point if I get to one. I'm not going back to zero I'm going one to two to three to checkmate he goes.
00:48:27 Speaker_01
I'm not going backwards He goes these guys they lose position they go for here go for there all this extra space And he was like breaking it down while we're watching the fights. It was such an education love that I was fucking amazing. It was amazing
00:48:42 Speaker_03
Yeah, he's a he's a legend.
00:48:44 Speaker_01
Oh, man, like one of the great legends of martial arts You know if you like go into the history of martial arts Hickson Gracie will go down as you know If there's a Mount Rushmore of martial arts legends him and hoist are right up there Yeah, I agree with that and always will tell you like Hickson he goes my brother was a hundred times better than me.
00:49:01 Speaker_01
I
00:49:01 Speaker_03
Yeah, well when Hoyce used to come to us, he would tell us straight up, I'm not the family fighter. I think what he told us back then was like, I don't know, Hickson was pride contracts, UFC was different, couldn't figure it out.
00:49:15 Speaker_03
That's why Hoyce even fought, right?
00:49:17 Speaker_01
Thought that was kind of the deal back then but well, I think there's a long time Different thoughts on it, you know hoist jokes around he goes he goes look how beautiful I am that's why they wanted me but it was also because Hickson was very physically dominant and the idea was like let's have this guy that doesn't look physically impressive to show jiu-jitsu to show the power of jiu-jitsu, but if that doesn't work
00:49:42 Speaker_01
Then we bring in Hickson, but obviously Hoist beat everybody. And then Hickson went over to do Japan Valley Tudor in like 94, I think it was.
00:49:51 Speaker_03
I used to love all those, the Valley Tudors, Pride.
00:49:54 Speaker_01
I thought that was the best. Oh, the golden era of martial arts, because that's when everybody was learning. Like, holy shit, there's so much out there.
00:50:02 Speaker_03
Yeah, I agree. I loved every minute of that.
00:50:04 Speaker_01
And then Fedor Emelianenko comes on the scene, and he's just like... Fedor is my favorite. One of the all-time greats. He's another one. If there's the greatest heavyweight of all time, he's gotta be in the conversation.
00:50:16 Speaker_03
I feel like back in the day, we'd be talking about fighting, and it'd be like, man, I wonder if anyone's ever done this from the mount. Fedor won six fights like that.
00:50:26 Speaker_03
And then like, I wonder if anyone's ever done something like this, and like, well, Fedor won his last fight just like that. And you're just like, fucking this guy.
00:50:35 Speaker_01
You know this prime he was a monster. Yeah, I agree and so stoic like his expression never changed Yeah, he gets head kicked. He gets suplex. Yeah, nothing.
00:50:44 Speaker_03
It's like no one's home in there You know just didn't register.
00:50:47 Speaker_01
He was just a machine.
00:50:48 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah, I loved him And I like when he I seen an interview one time remember his brother Alexander sure He was like Alexander is better than me if he just wouldn't party so much. Yeah, he was an animal and I was just thinking oh
00:51:01 Speaker_03
Fucking feed or saying his brother's better than him.
00:51:04 Speaker_01
You know what I mean? Well, his brother was bigger and taller and was a nasty striker, man His brother was a vicious striker had good kicks. Oh my god.
00:51:12 Speaker_01
He was fucking good, man But that was that was the days where you know, everyone's just kind of figuring out what worked and what didn't work. Yeah, I
00:51:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, you had Vanderlei, the axe murderer.
00:51:22 Speaker_01
Oh, man. I love it. It was also a time where everybody was juicy. Yeah. The whole organization was like, I had a friend who was going to fight over there, and he was 170 pounds. And they said, no, we want you to fight at 185. Go do steroids.
00:51:34 Speaker_01
Like, go do steroids. I was like, what the fuck? He's like, they're telling us to do steroids. When Ensign was on the podcast, he told me, in the contract, it said, like, in capital letters, we do not test for steroids. They're like, go have fun.
00:51:51 Speaker_03
Come back yoked up. Come back juicy.
00:51:53 Speaker_01
Everybody was juicy back then. Because it was the wild days. It was like the wild west. They just wanted the best, most exciting fights possible.
00:52:01 Speaker_03
I think that's what people want now.
00:52:02 Speaker_01
Oh yeah.
00:52:03 Speaker_03
You know what I mean?
00:52:03 Speaker_01
There's a real argument for that.
00:52:04 Speaker_03
I don't think the fans give a fuck about drug testing. No. I don't think, look, and I think this is for all, like the Olympics, I get it. But the NFL, like seriously, why even fucking,
00:52:15 Speaker_01
Why? What do you want the sport to suck? Like baseball. That was the thing when they were doing like Mark McGuire and all that shit and Sammy Sosa. Why are you testing these guys? It's the most exciting thing is to hit a home run.
00:52:27 Speaker_01
These guys are doing something that makes them better at hitting home runs. Everybody should do that thing. Whatever the fuck that is.
00:52:32 Speaker_03
Think about how much more money that bring those organizations.
00:52:35 Speaker_01
Yeah, but there was this thing back then that it was cheating But what it really is is science like they figure out there's a way where you recover more you get stronger You get faster like hey do that guys and by the way, everybody else is doing it, too They're just like hiding it in some sort of a weird way, you know There's this masking and taking weird stuff and there was you know that Balco scandal where they're all taking his stuff called the clear
00:52:59 Speaker_01
I've never even heard of that. You've never heard of that? No, I've never heard of that. I had that guy, Victor Conte, on the podcast who created the clear. He's a scientist.
00:53:06 Speaker_01
And what he did is he, Balco Labs, they figured out that when they're testing, they're testing for very specific metabolites, so they took steroids and then they changed it slightly so that it didn't show up in the test.
00:53:19 Speaker_01
And they're giving them this stuff and they would all pass clear. And they were all fucking drunk. Just monsters, like Barry Bonds. He was a monster. I met Barry Bonds in 1994. I was on this television show called Hardball.
00:53:32 Speaker_01
And Barry Bonds was, you know, he was still a major league player, a big time player.
00:53:37 Speaker_00
Famous. He's famous.
00:53:38 Speaker_01
But he was a regular guy. Like, he looked like a regular athlete. And then he started getting juicy. And then years later, he gained like 60 pounds and was just fucking gigantic and smashing home runs. That would be good.
00:53:51 Speaker_01
Like, you should keep doing that, whatever you're doing.
00:53:53 Speaker_03
I think that's all sports. Yo, jump as high as you can. Take your fucking gear, jump high, run far, smash each other. Let's go. Well, that's the enhanced games.
00:54:02 Speaker_01
You know, the enhanced games doing that. They're developing this whole protocol right now. And the enhanced game is going to let people do whatever the fuck they want that works.
00:54:12 Speaker_01
And their idea is we are going to develop the best athletes in every discipline. And then we're going to give them a lot of money. We're gonna like fuck the Olympics.
00:54:22 Speaker_01
The Olympics is a giant scam Yeah, because the Olympics the athletes don't make any money and NBC and all these broadcast networks in the IOC they're making Billions of dollars off the backs of these athletes hard work and no one is going to see them They're going to see the athletes, right?
00:54:38 Speaker_01
I mean the athletes aren't even compensated. It's a crazy scam It really is, because it's not like, if no one made any money, including the networks, including the IOC, great, great. But that's not the case.
00:54:52 Speaker_01
Someone's making a fucking shit ton of money, but it's not the people that are putting in the hard work. It's the people that are pointing cameras at them. It's the dumbest fucking thing of all time.
00:55:02 Speaker_01
Yeah, so the enhanced games is like let's throw out the drug testing Let's encourage people to do whatever the fuck that works and let's give them a lot of money So like whoever wins whatever they give them a million dollars, you know And then you'll get like the elite athletes will be like well, why am I wasting my time?
00:55:18 Speaker_01
competing for free maybe I blow out an ACL or herniated disc and my career's over and I don't have shit to show for it or I can do steroids and then win and have money for the rest of my life.
00:55:31 Speaker_03
Yeah. I want to watch the steroid sports.
00:55:34 Speaker_01
Of course.
00:55:35 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? The Enhanced League or whatever it's called, that sounds to me like the NFL is going away. I want to see the mountain hit another mountain, you know what I mean? Let's go.
00:55:47 Speaker_01
Could you imagine if they told the NFL, let's just say everybody get juicy?
00:55:51 Speaker_03
Fuck. Those guys are already freaks. They're already doing it.
00:55:54 Speaker_01
Probably.
00:55:55 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? Have to be. I can only imagine. I don't know.
00:55:58 Speaker_01
Have to be.
00:55:59 Speaker_03
My two cents is like, you're doing it anyway, just fucking go with it.
00:56:03 Speaker_01
The way I understand it is they let them know when testing is happening.
00:56:08 Speaker_03
Why even waste the fucking money?
00:56:10 Speaker_01
You know what I mean?
00:56:11 Speaker_03
Like, phone it in. Let's just phone that in. You know what I mean? Like, yo, I took that drug test.
00:56:16 Speaker_01
Okay, click.
00:56:16 Speaker_03
Save some money for everybody. The drug test should be multiple choice.
00:56:19 Speaker_01
We'll fill it out.
00:56:21 Speaker_03
No, nothing. The drug test should be, we're just kind of curious if you've had any success, and we want to know what works so we can recommend better stuff to people.
00:56:29 Speaker_01
Right. Weird thing about you know protecting the athletes health like hey fuck face They're playing football if you really cared about their health you would tell them don't play football So there's no way you care about their health.
00:56:43 Speaker_01
Yeah, there's no fucking way. Yeah, you know it just doesn't make any sense
00:56:47 Speaker_03
I mean, there's inherent natures of danger there. Concussions, knees, shoulders, right?
00:56:52 Speaker_01
Everything gets blown out. How about vaccines? How about you making them get vaccinated and they have fucking heart attacks on the field? Does that make any sense? No. You don't care about their health. You're full of shit.
00:57:01 Speaker_01
Those guys didn't have to worry for a second about COVID. They're elite athletes of the highest order. Do you really think that something that is
00:57:10 Speaker_01
literally only kills like 0.03% of the people who get it and those people or most of them have comorbidities. You really think elite athletes of the highest order had to worry about that? Of course they didn't. It's all bullshit.
00:57:24 Speaker_01
You don't care about them. Let them get juicy.
00:57:27 Speaker_03
Yeah, fucking juice it up, get that gear. You know what I mean? Hey, let's take those piss cups and turn them into fucking drink cups and serve them some whiskey in the locker room. Let's get this shit going. And I want more fighting in my sports.
00:57:40 Speaker_03
You know what I mean?
00:57:40 Speaker_01
That's why I like hockey. Yeah, I love hockey. Hockey's the last sport that allows fistfights normally in the middle of a sport. It's the only sport that allows the occasional fistfight, which is kind of crazy.
00:57:52 Speaker_03
I live in North Carolina and there's a little local hockey team at Bragg. I go to a lot of hockey games. It was like seven bucks for a long time, you know what I mean? And they'll fucking blood on the ice on the Thanksgiving day.
00:58:07 Speaker_03
They'll have a non-league team come in and it's fucking blood on the ice, man. These Southern Provisional Hockey League. I love this hockey.
00:58:17 Speaker_01
It's just wild that that's the only sport where fist fighting is allowed. Yeah, it's kind of crazy because it's grandfathered in yeah, because yeah, it's basically bare-knuckle boxing in the middle of a sport Yeah, which is real weird.
00:58:30 Speaker_03
Yeah, well, then you got soccer. We're like, you know, you rubbed elbows with the guy and he falls over You're faking it like yeah, I have children.
00:58:39 Speaker_01
I know the faker Fuck like I'm a parent you can't Well, anybody could see it's the dumbest thing like a hand. Yeah Yeah, they fall on the ground Holding their side they're holding their chest.
00:58:52 Speaker_01
It's so dumb, but it's also one of the reasons why it's not really accepted in America Watch that flopping. We're like, come on get up. This is so crazy.
00:59:00 Speaker_03
Yeah, I I totally agree.
00:59:02 Speaker_01
Especially when people watch football. You're watching guys get fucking waylaid by a 300-pound super athlete. They get up and shake it off, and then they're right back on the field.
00:59:12 Speaker_03
Yeah, the guy's like adjust his helmet a little bit, you know what I mean? Takes his mouthpiece out, you know, all right, and can fucking move on.
00:59:18 Speaker_01
I just started watching football literally this last year, and you know, when I see guys collide, I've had so many injuries, knee surgeries and shit, and jiu-jitsu injuries. I see guys get hit. I fucking hold my knees, I hold my back, I'm like, oh.
00:59:32 Speaker_01
It's the most brutal shit of all time. A guy who's 290 pounds is running full blast and colliding with you with 100% of his strength.
00:59:42 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah, it's fucking crazy, man. I used to, when I was 38, I was a SAR major in the Army, and like, I don't know, hand-to-hand jujitsu kind of got boring for me, so I was looking for other hobbies.
00:59:55 Speaker_03
I was at the PX and I seen like the Fort Bragg rugby team practices like Tuesday at 6 or something so I Just went out there for something to do man, and I'm gonna tell you you think fucking jiu-jitsu fucks people up fucking go play fucking rugby matter of fact stay the fuck away from rugby like is fucking brutal and no helmets and
01:00:16 Speaker_03
No, nothing man. And like, uh, when I was a kid, I don't know if I can say this, but we played smear the queer all the time.
01:00:22 Speaker_03
Like, I don't know what you call that, but that's, it was just called when we were kids, I'd come home, my shirt would be ripped. I'd get another beating. Cause like you ripped another shirt. These are expensive. You know what I mean?
01:00:31 Speaker_03
But like it's my brothers anyway. Right? Like, not like you bought me a shirt. Uh, but uh, man, it was like crazy. My first practice, like the ball sitting there and one of the coaches is like, grab the ball and run.
01:00:43 Speaker_03
I just fucking grabbed a ball and just ran every one of these little motherfuckers over and then Like guys like man, what college you play in I was like None and I never played a rugby a day in my lane on my first game, you know was like fucking in my third practice
01:01:00 Speaker_03
You know what I mean?
01:01:01 Speaker_02
That's crazy.
01:01:01 Speaker_03
But in doing jujitsu and fighting people in Iraq every night, like I thought rugby was kind of easy. The guy's running at me and I just got to take him down. Fucking double legs. And then I started getting more tackles than anyone in my coach.
01:01:14 Speaker_03
You know, they keep stats and be like, you had like 80 tackles a game. How do you do that? And it's like, Double, double, double leg takedown? Single leg? Maybe a trip?
01:01:24 Speaker_00
Yeah.
01:01:25 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? And then like one of the times, you know, one of the coaches was like, hey, will you teach us how, you know, how would you, how do you normally tackle? You get the most tackles in like double, single legs.
01:01:36 Speaker_01
So you basically teach them wrestling.
01:01:37 Speaker_03
I just taught wrestling moves. Why don't they teach them that?
01:01:40 Speaker_01
That would seem to be like a good skill.
01:01:42 Speaker_03
I bet the pro-level fuckers are doing that shit. They have to. They have to. I mean, because think about this. I know a lot of linemen do like cali for hand speed and stuff like that. You know what I mean?
01:01:56 Speaker_00
Right?
01:01:56 Speaker_03
Because they got to win the hand fight. So I know there's a lot of sports that use a lot of discipline. So I would imagine they would have to be Fucking having you know wrestling practice or takedown tackle practice, right?
01:02:10 Speaker_01
I would imagine they're doing same shit as everyone else for just understanding leverage and how to manipulate a body, right?
01:02:16 Speaker_03
Yeah, right. Well, there's no pads So, you know, you can't come 30 miles an hour into this tackle. You might have to come in at 10 miles an hour You know what I mean? Because you got no pads.
01:02:28 Speaker_01
Right.
01:02:28 Speaker_03
You know?
01:02:29 Speaker_01
Well, that's the argument against pads in football. Is that these guys, the only reason why they can play the way they are and collide with each other full blast is because they have helmets and pads on.
01:02:39 Speaker_03
Yeah.
01:02:39 Speaker_01
Which is totally true.
01:02:40 Speaker_03
I want thicker helmets and more collisions. Let's go.
01:02:44 Speaker_01
Come on, it would be a wild game if you had American football and no pads I mean, that's what they used to do way back. They had those little leather.
01:02:51 Speaker_03
Yeah Like you couldn't pay me to wear one of those get the fuck out of here with that I wonder how many guys died playing that imagine how many concussions how many head-to-head collisions Oh running full blast
01:03:05 Speaker_01
And then, you know, if you're Samoan, you're like some big giant dude, you're gonna go head-to-head with guys because you know you're gonna win it.
01:03:12 Speaker_03
Yeah, fuck every time.
01:03:13 Speaker_01
So you're just fucking head-butting everybody.
01:03:15 Speaker_03
Yeah, the army team has a lot of Tongans. There's a Fort Bragg. Tongans are paratroopers as people. I don't know how that works, but they are, man. They all play rugby.
01:03:26 Speaker_03
Buddy of mine was like I was like you know you how you know when when you start playing rugby He was like I was like three you know huge guy like I knew I knew I was doing pretty good at rugby when the Tongans were like we'd pick they'd pick teams and all the Tongans would be like we want big John
01:03:44 Speaker_03
You can have the rest." And I'd be like, yeah, me and the Tongans will get some, right? We'll fucking crush the people. But, like, they start playing with, like, a coconut. Imagine holding a coconut and just going down ribs on a coconut.
01:03:57 Speaker_03
And I'm like, why would you play with a coconut? And he was like, well, there was only one rugby ball on the island, and the bigger boys had it. Like, oh, OK. Yeah. But yeah, I played rugby for a while and I stopped doing MMA to play rugby.
01:04:11 Speaker_03
But what I realized is rugby is way more injury prone and dangerous. So I kind of went back to jujitsu.
01:04:18 Speaker_01
Oh, yeah. One on one is definitely you can control a lot more of what's going on than a bunch of dudes.
01:04:24 Speaker_03
Yeah.
01:04:25 Speaker_01
Colliding into each other.
01:04:26 Speaker_03
Yeah. I agree, man. It's a hard fucking sport. I know. Rugby's awesome, man.
01:04:30 Speaker_01
It is awesome. It's weird how it never took off in America. It's kind of strange, you know, because we love violence. You would imagine that rugby would be something that we would have adopted.
01:04:39 Speaker_03
I think the only reason it's not popular is because of the time. Like, it's like soccer. Once it starts, it doesn't stop. Americans want to go take a piss and get another beer and come back. And then they want commercials. Yeah.
01:04:53 Speaker_01
And that's the big thing about soccer. And the game never stops. Tough to sell commercials. Right. You can't stop the game.
01:04:58 Speaker_03
Right.
01:04:59 Speaker_01
Whereas football, you have a fucking halftime, bro. You got a whole half hour.
01:05:02 Speaker_03
Well, you ever see the apps that just show you the plays of football a whole games like 12 minutes of actual work Yeah, I mean, you know soccer those motherfuckers are running the entire 80 minutes Let's go and it doesn't stop.
01:05:15 Speaker_01
You know, you have to be in insane shape to play soccer The cardio is just nuts. You're basically sprinting for the entire game. I never played soccer, but I don't think I would enjoy it. I
01:05:26 Speaker_01
Well, we went to watch the the they have a professional league here in Austin and these dudes have these fucking quarter horse legs Yeah, they're like thin upper bodies Gigant I legs because they're just constantly doing plyometrics.
01:05:39 Speaker_01
Yeah sprinting and going side to side and left and right and Fucking crazy cardio, but it's never gonna sell in America if you can't have commercials.
01:05:48 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think that's why Rugby's not popular also, but
01:05:51 Speaker_01
Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. Maybe they just changed the rules a little bit.
01:05:55 Speaker_03
Right.
01:05:55 Speaker_01
You know? Well, it's kind of crazy.
01:05:57 Speaker_03
Here's what we're saying is rugby starts and stops without a time. That's the same thing we want for, you just said, for MMA.
01:06:05 Speaker_01
Oh yeah. Well, that's the problem with MMA too, right? You can't have a no time limit fight because
01:06:11 Speaker_03
How are you going to get the next fight at midnight or 10 o'clock?
01:06:14 Speaker_01
Also, dudes would kind of fight to the death. Like if you get the best of the best today where they're so evenly matched and they're brawling for an hour.
01:06:22 Speaker_03
It could go four hours, five hours.
01:06:24 Speaker_01
And then it would probably end your career. Like at the end of it, you might not ever be the same again.
01:06:29 Speaker_03
You'd be spent. Like you got one of those in you.
01:06:32 Speaker_01
Right. Because there's a lot of guys, like, there's a fight, and you could point to that fight and say, he was never the same. Tony Ferguson, Justin Gaethje, a lot of people point to that fight.
01:06:42 Speaker_01
Justin Gaethje battered Tony Ferguson so bad, he was undefeated up until that point, or maybe he lost a couple of times, but he was the boogeyman. Tony Ferguson was the scariest dude in the sport.
01:06:52 Speaker_01
And then one bad beating, and he was kind of never the same again. Because one bad beating just changes everything. You just never really recover.
01:07:02 Speaker_03
Once you lose the mental edge, right?
01:07:05 Speaker_01
There's a little bit of that, but there's also a bad beating to the brain. He got hit so many times in his head. A bad beating to the brain after a certain amount of time.
01:07:16 Speaker_01
No matter who you are, if you're sparring and if you're fighting, you're getting hit in the head, period.
01:07:21 Speaker_01
And so over the course of your career, you're already accumulating a certain amount of abuse and there's one fight that could break the camel's back. Like in boxing, I always point to Meldrick Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez.
01:07:33 Speaker_01
Like, Meldrick Taylor was the fuckin' man, won the gold medal in the Olympics, and Chavez just methodically broke him down and then stopped him in the last round of their fight. Like, literally, two seconds to go, Richard Steele stops the fight.
01:07:46 Speaker_01
And from then on, he was never the same. It was just, he took so much of a beating in that fight that he was never the same again.
01:07:53 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think that happens with soldiers, too. I've seen a lot of guys who are like, we got mortared or rocketed, and then... next deployment guy doesn't wanna, you know what I mean?
01:08:03 Speaker_02
So it's a mental thing.
01:08:04 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think there's a time where everybody says enough's enough, right? Whether you want to or not, and then once you reach that point, coming back from that point to become that mental champion again is a fucking long road.
01:08:19 Speaker_01
Is there anything, like you as a leader, when you see a guy who's maybe crossed over in that way, is there anything that you would do to try to bring him back? Or is there nothing that can be done?
01:08:33 Speaker_03
That's a great question. Define bring him back. Define what's wrong with him.
01:08:38 Speaker_01
Right. I guess a confidence thing or just being terrified. So like new fear being introduced. You know, a lot of guys think they're indestructible until they're not. And then all of a sudden now this is a new factor.
01:08:53 Speaker_03
Yeah. I used to teach tandem jumping and bundle jumping in the military. And I don't know if you ever see my social media but like I'm in the sky flying and there's a huge barrel under me. I used to teach that.
01:09:06 Speaker_03
And what would happen is if you had a bad jump a bundle jump.
01:09:12 Speaker_03
You would have to cut away, and we called it the nightmare right and you got to end the nightmare And this thing starts spinning you out of control It'll be so many G's that like you'll pass out the parachute will open later right you'll be fine but
01:09:26 Speaker_03
We used to tell guys, right, like, fucking end that nightmare. Make sense? Now, you're the captain of the ship, so a guy would have to end this nightmare, however he ended the nightmare, right?
01:09:37 Speaker_03
And then what would happen is, afterwards, we'd review the video, and I'd have to show a guy, right? And then we'd leave him in the classroom for a minute, and we'd tell him, hey, gather your emotions.
01:09:49 Speaker_03
whatever you need to do, and then get on the next plane.
01:09:53 Speaker_01
Get right back on the horse.
01:09:53 Speaker_03
Get fucking back on that next plane.
01:09:55 Speaker_01
Yeah.
01:09:56 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? And guys would do that. You know what I mean? A lot more SEALs needed that time than like unit guys, because unit guys like, Yo, I'll fly this motherfucker up your ass. We ain't gonna have no problems today, son.
01:10:10 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? What's the difference? I don't know. I think the difference is that the unit is always more mature than SEALs. It's an older culture. It's older guys.
01:10:21 Speaker_03
More experienced guys more methodical guys more planned out So like in a lot of times like, you know younger guys normally the seals they'll have their jump numbers but they're like their core their What makes you you confidence dexterity strength fucking health
01:10:47 Speaker_03
It ain't there yet, and they kind of freak out once in a while. Younger guys. It's a maturity thing, I think. Normally happens to the SEALs.
01:10:54 Speaker_03
Most unit guys are pretty mature and have been through so much shit by the time they get to the unit that you're probably unshakable by then.
01:11:02 Speaker_01
You see that in fights, too. Young, undefeated guys who fight a world champion who's in their 30s, and that guy breaks him down. And then you see, like, they don't know what to do when things are going sideways. And then mentally they fall apart.
01:11:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's when the bad decisions will start. You know what I mean? And the reality is, is you got to snap your fucking self out of that. You got to fucking put your parachute back on and get the fuck back on that airplane.
01:11:31 Speaker_03
I had plenty of those jumps. I've cut away more. Fuck, I had a cutaway training for D-Day last year. Fucking put my cutaway. You can see how fucking low I am and everything. You know what I mean?
01:11:42 Speaker_03
And I have procedures I have another parachute like we're all gonna die am I gonna let it ruin my day kind of thing like let's fucking move on you know what I mean
01:11:52 Speaker_01
But how did you develop that mentality just over time?
01:11:55 Speaker_03
I think that comes with what I just said is the core of a person. And I think this is what the army is really good at is developing this core, right? In this core, in this core, right? How do I develop your confidence? Well, I don't fucking know.
01:12:10 Speaker_03
I couldn't even define fucking confidence because I went to Chicago public fucking school system. But I could tell you this, if I taught you to rally race car drive, And you got pretty fucking good at it.
01:12:21 Speaker_03
If I taught you jujitsu, eventually you're pretty fucking good at it. I show you skydiving, eventually you're pretty fucking good at it, right? Why? It's because every one of these things I showed you, world-class level.
01:12:33 Speaker_03
And we brought in world champions in to show you, right? Eventually, you're going to gain confidence. It's the taking your daughter to karate or little kids to jujitsu. They have confidence that other kids don't have, right?
01:12:47 Speaker_03
That's what you got to build so it takes a lot of different skills and getting guys good at a lot of different skills to build that fucking Unshakeable core, you know what I'm saying?
01:12:57 Speaker_01
Yeah. Yeah, and it's It's a matter of when do you introduce them to like extreme adversity? Do you build them up slowly?
01:13:08 Speaker_03
Right, and it has to be built slowly, right? Yeah, and then we used to say this like, um, I
01:13:16 Speaker_03
Aircraft training right let's say you got a breaching airplane right and you got to climb a fucking 20-foot ladder cuz these motherfuckers ain't low to the ground right and you're hanging on a ladder and you weigh fucking 280 pounds in your shit, but you're on these fucking ladders with fucking six other guys who all weighed the same as you or more You got to crack the door get the fuck in this airplane right now.
01:13:40 Speaker_03
Let's just say this is your first time and And you crack that door the first time, and as an instructor, I know you're cracking the door, and as soon as you crack that door, I fucking shoot you in the face. You know what I mean? Yeah.
01:13:54 Speaker_03
And with a training round, right? How fucking embarrassing, right? And then the reality is, is, yo, you just ruined this motherfucker forever.
01:14:02 Speaker_01
How do you breach an airplane? What's the successful protocol for breaching an airplane?
01:14:07 Speaker_03
Mechanical or explosive.
01:14:13 Speaker_01
What do you mean?
01:14:15 Speaker_03
Sometimes we open doors. Sometimes we blow doors. It depends. So which one you want to know about?
01:14:20 Speaker_01
OK, let's go with mechanical.
01:14:22 Speaker_03
Yeah, most doors have a lever on the outside that can be activated. And most doors, there's a certain way they open, right? My team, I was always kind of like a primary door guy. And then there's a certain way doors open. There's latches.
01:14:36 Speaker_03
So all airplane doors open from the outside.
01:14:40 Speaker_01
So, but once you breach it though, you're in a tube and everybody knows where the door is. It's a very vulnerable position. So what's the protocol for breaching a door when you're in a tube like that?
01:14:55 Speaker_03
have to do is breach as many doors as possible and get as many people in as possible as quick as possible and everyone goes to positions right you got cover guys you got runners you got searchers it's a lot of shit that needs to go on on these fucking aircraft same with a fucking big cruise liner right so everybody's gonna once the door is open everyone's gonna flood in and kind of like go to their places you know what I'm saying mm-hmm right
01:15:23 Speaker_01
So you plan it out, you know where you're gonna be, and then you're still dealing with the chaos of you're in a tube and there's only one way in. And things are coming at you, no matter what. So there's no clean way to do that. Not even once.
01:15:45 Speaker_03
What a crazy fucking task I know but the back to the point is if a guy cracks that door any door Let's say it's your first time. I'm showing you like all right Joe.
01:15:55 Speaker_03
I'm gonna show you some you know close-quarter battle I'm gonna show you how clear a door and then just joking around like you're about to go through a door and I shot you in the fucking forehead and
01:16:05 Speaker_03
You wouldn't mentally never want to go through that door again, right?
01:16:07 Speaker_03
So I have to build you up to where well the first time you come through the door Well, I just let you come through the door Right, and then it builds from there God and then there's a point where it's like more this motherfucker shooting through the crack of the airplane Wait till I'm in this fucking bitch.
01:16:24 Speaker_03
I got two pistols on me. This motherfucker is going down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah so as your as your confidence, your core, that core of a human being, like that core of an operator, right?
01:16:37 Speaker_03
As that, like, becomes fucking concrete, a guy's just unshakable. Like, let's go. I don't give a fuck what this position. I don't care. Like, I don't care if I fucking die. Let's do this, you know?
01:16:47 Speaker_01
And it's consistent training over and over and over and over and over. Do you think that this is what's missing in the police force?
01:16:54 Speaker_03
Man, are you kidding me? First off? I work at a lot of police departments. I love police. I support police all the time It's a fucking thankless job. I'll say that yeah, but I would say like think about this Joe if you trained police better, right?
01:17:10 Speaker_03
I work at a lot of police academies. I've helped a lot of police academies. They don't fail people anymore. I show them what I do. I train them to do what I do. They have great success with it.
01:17:20 Speaker_03
I would say this in a police academy, let's say it's six months long, whatever they do. I don't fucking know. Probably about four months of that is fucking paperwork.
01:17:32 Speaker_03
And then, you know, you get a little hand to hand, you get a little driving, you get a little shooting, And then you learn what? But I'm going to tell you this, as a cop, you got the rest of your life to do that paperwork.
01:17:46 Speaker_03
And when you're in training, as soon as you get your first arrest, your training officer is going to be like, don't write it that way. Hold on. Let me see your paperwork. Like this.
01:17:56 Speaker_03
The paperwork could be OJT, and they could spend them time training these guys. Now, I'd also say this is if police were trained better and truly uniformed officers are probably the only guys like stopping crime as it happens.
01:18:14 Speaker_03
If we train those guys better, why would we need SWAT teams?
01:18:18 Speaker_01
Right, you would have SWAT teams through the whole thing.
01:18:22 Speaker_03
Everyone could be SWAT. And if we got 10 of us come together, we're our own SWAT team. And then we could operate independently. We could operate one or two.
01:18:35 Speaker_03
I think police don't do the force multiplier thing like each guy is his own fucking bastion of The law you know what I mean like I just think they kind of share Injuries they don't do hand-to-hand right shooting could be dangerous right and then most shooting is
01:18:52 Speaker_03
You know, the instructor is God and you are fucking stupid. That's how most training is. It's like basic training. And like, no one learns well like that either. Right. You know what I mean? Right.
01:19:02 Speaker_01
Yeah. I, I'm always shocked when I see fat cops, like really fat cops. And I was like, how, how your whole life is your body.
01:19:13 Speaker_01
Like your whole life is, you have to be able to physically defend yourself, you have weapons, you have the law and the uniform and bulletproof vests and all that, but your physical body is almost useless.
01:19:27 Speaker_01
I was at a football game the other day and there's this obese cop, enormous belly. I was like, this is disgusting. It's ridiculous.
01:19:35 Speaker_01
Yeah, you've let yourself get to this point where I know you can't even run you can't you can't you can't last 30 seconds all someone have to do is grab ahold your arm that you would use to take your gun and Control that arm get you to the ground and you're fucked shit I just baseball collar the back of their fucking collar their shirt where the fuck are you going?
01:19:54 Speaker_03
You know, it's crazy. Well, yeah look Okay, first off I think also police should have different jobs like the army. So, okay, if you were 400 pounds, maybe you're the computer guy at the police force or a desk guy or, you know what I mean?
01:20:14 Speaker_03
Like, I don't think everyone needs to be the fittest human being ever. However, if you're on patrol Get the young six foot kids in there, man. You know what I mean? They can handle themselves. They're young. They're bigger than normal. Right.
01:20:26 Speaker_03
This is why a lot of troopers, state troopers used to have like a six foot six one six two height requirement because a six foot two man can generally handle most people. Right. You know what I mean?
01:20:39 Speaker_01
Especially a fit one.
01:20:40 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah. So I think the fit guys need to be on the force. I think, I think there's room for everybody, but I think with police is your police officer or your detective and then that's it.
01:20:53 Speaker_03
But really you're always a cop versus like, well the army, right? Okay, there's drone pilots, there's all these army jobs that kick the infantry kids out the door. Right. Why don't police kind of organize like that?
01:21:07 Speaker_03
And that way, like, the guys are going to run people down can run.
01:21:11 Speaker_01
That's what drives me crazy about this whole defund the police horseshit. Like, are you fucking crazy? You should be funding them more.
01:21:17 Speaker_03
Fucking crime is real.
01:21:19 Speaker_01
Yeah, it's real.
01:21:20 Speaker_03
Evil's real. Evil's fucking real. Yeah.
01:21:23 Speaker_01
Yeah. To pretend it's not. Well, that just means you haven't experienced it.
01:21:25 Speaker_03
Yeah. You're living with blinders on.
01:21:27 Speaker_01
Yeah.
01:21:27 Speaker_03
Yeah. I say, I agree.
01:21:30 Speaker_01
Yeah. It's just bizarre that we expect these people to encounter danger and evil all day long, their whole lives, like 25, 30 years. And, you know, you don't, you don't train them properly. You don't fund them properly.
01:21:45 Speaker_01
And then they get disrespected by the public.
01:21:47 Speaker_03
Oh, that's the worst. Well, the worst, I think the worst is when like the mayor or the police fucking chief is like not supportive of all of the fucking guys. And it's like, you, you think the guys have bad intent? You know what I mean? I get it.
01:22:01 Speaker_03
There might be bad apples or whatever.
01:22:03 Speaker_01
Everyone's got 10% say what you want, but like, well, how about Kamala Harris when she was running for president, she was all about defund the police.
01:22:10 Speaker_03
I don't know how that sells with anybody in the country.
01:22:13 Speaker_01
It's like 2019, 2020. I mean, it's fucking crazy. It's a crazy thing to say. It really is a crazy thing to say.
01:22:19 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if we defunded the police, we'd be Mexico quicker than we thought.
01:22:24 Speaker_01
Yeah.
01:22:25 Speaker_03
Right.
01:22:26 Speaker_01
Right.
01:22:26 Speaker_03
Because the cartels would just drive over the border. Yeah.
01:22:30 Speaker_01
That's real.
01:22:31 Speaker_03
Yeah.
01:22:31 Speaker_01
Yeah. What do you think about this idea of using special forces guys to fight the cartels?
01:22:39 Speaker_03
First and foremost, like if you were like, yo, we're going to wipe out a cartel tonight, I'd have been like, I'll load my frags extra careful. Like, let's go. Right. But the reality is, is like,
01:22:52 Speaker_03
I know all my buddies are like, yeah, we'll fuck him up in a night. We'll fucking yo, yo Fucking let's back up a fucking second here The cartels have fucking men. They own the ground. They have fucking technicals. They have machine guns.
01:23:09 Speaker_03
They have fucking everything an army has. Right? And they've had decades to train waiting for this, number two. And number three, our government's fucking compromised. So if you think they ain't going to know you're coming, You know what I mean?
01:23:26 Speaker_03
I think you're fucking high.
01:23:27 Speaker_01
Jesus Christ, that's a terrifying thought. The government's so compromised, the cartel's going to get the word out before...
01:23:33 Speaker_03
Well, how are we going to- look, we're not good at being fucking sneaky. We're not the Israelis doing that fucking pager shit.
01:23:39 Speaker_01
That pager shit was wild.
01:23:41 Speaker_03
Yo, that needs to be the model for every fucking thing we do in the future.
01:23:45 Speaker_01
No matter what you think about the Israelis, what's going on in Gaza, that pager shit was wild.
01:23:49 Speaker_03
Which tells me America should go back to making its own fucking cell phones and its own- we shouldn't have our fucking comms made overseas at all in any way, shape, or form, in my opinion.
01:24:00 Speaker_01
No, I've been saying that forever. We should have our own cell phones. And the fact that we're buying so much shit from China. Fuck!
01:24:06 Speaker_01
Especially after they banned Huawei because they know that Huawei stuff was compromised and they're having third-party input and be able to spy on people. It's fucking crazy.
01:24:16 Speaker_03
Well, this is why we got to go back to making America like it used to be. We made our own shit. We use our own shit. We wouldn't have to worry about none of this.
01:24:24 Speaker_01
Yeah, it's a very strange thing, what's happening in this country, where China's allowed to buy land that's near military bases, they supply cell phone towers, they put all these different, they sell us all this different shit, and we don't really know.
01:24:40 Speaker_01
I mean, I don't know how many experts are investigating these fucking cell phone towers.
01:24:44 Speaker_03
Fucking zero, I bet.
01:24:46 Speaker_01
Fucking zero. Mike Baker was on here and he was telling me about how around military bases, like China, has installed their equipment in all these military bases.
01:24:56 Speaker_01
At Formula One, where we were, my buddy owns the track and they found these Chinese boxes that they had attached to the Wi-Fi. So they were just scooping up everybody's data. They called in Homeland Security to have them remove it and investigate it.
01:25:11 Speaker_03
Fucking racetrack.
01:25:13 Speaker_01
A racetrack, but they knew everybody was going to be using this public Wi-Fi, probably no VPNs, probably no security, and these people are getting all their shit siphoned up. They're so sophisticated in how they've infiltrated, it's fucking crazy.
01:25:28 Speaker_01
And we just allow it to happen. It's very strange, because you can't buy shit in China. If you think you're an American company going to go over to China and operate with autonomy, you're out of your fucking mind. You can't buy shit.
01:25:41 Speaker_03
They'll never let an American... Never. No, they don't want... Chinese would never buy communication devices from America.
01:25:49 Speaker_01
And they certainly never let America buy farmland right next to their military bases. They'd be like, fuck you. We're like, sure, we'll sell it to you. Are you going to pay more? Oh boy, we'll take your money. It's weird. It's weird how goofy we are.
01:26:04 Speaker_03
I know and then like well I think it's this Joe I think people don't realize how fucking dangerous the rest of the world is and how like people are like plotting against us and it's fucking real out there the world is a crazy place I say this like you don't know how fucking safe you got it here and how fucking great we got it here you know what I mean like people don't know that because they don't never leave here so they're stuck in their own fucking bad attitude of like their own grind or whatever the fuck they do
01:26:34 Speaker_03
And, like, look, I'm telling you, the world is fucking evil. People will fucking rape you, kill you. No one gives a fuck. Like, protect yourself all the time, man.
01:26:44 Speaker_01
Well, you've been to parts of the world where you've seen this firsthand, and I think it's one of those things where if you don't see it, you don't believe it.
01:26:51 Speaker_03
Yeah. I'll tell you one of the, I think, the biggest thing I saw in Iraq. I think in maybe 2009-ish, uh... There was like the most fucking U.S. soldiers ever been in Iraq. Right. Like whatever the numbers are I don't fucking know. Right.
01:27:11 Speaker_03
But when Iraq had the most fucking soldiers it has ever had in Iraq is when Iraq was the safest.
01:27:18 Speaker_03
think about it you know what I mean all we had to do was flood put a fucking tank under every fucking overpass in every fucking neighborhood there's a machine gun and fucking 50 Cal Humvee right like who's fucking around they're everywhere and that's the safest Iraq ever was I'm telling you we have that here and people don't understand that in general so if you wanted to fund the police fuck man we're fucked you know what I mean yeah like it's it's a crazy but
01:27:45 Speaker_01
You know, um, do you know Evan, Evan Hafer?
01:27:47 Speaker_03
Yes.
01:27:48 Speaker_01
Yeah. Evan was, uh, we were in a elk camp and he was explaining some of the shit that he saw when he went from Iraq to Afghanistan. It just, how he's like, Afghanistan is so fucked that you can't even comprehend it until you're there.
01:28:04 Speaker_01
He goes, once you're there and you see it and you understand it, you, you become so cynical. You almost like this culture is like unfixable. And he's like, most people just don't know that a place like that exists.
01:28:16 Speaker_01
That's so just down to its core, so fucked. And we was talking about how these guys have these boys that they have as their harem.
01:28:26 Speaker_03
The number nine boy. What's that? It's what the Egyptian special forces called him, the number nine boy. He's the boy that gets fucked. Why number nine? I don't know. That's what the Egyptian special forces called him.
01:28:37 Speaker_03
But every Afghanistan village had a fucking, what do they call it, the chogy boy or fucking some shit. Yeah, something like that, yeah. But basically the 12-year-old that gets raped.
01:28:46 Speaker_01
He was saying these guys have harems and they would parade them down the street to show they have the most boys.
01:28:51 Speaker_03
Yeah, this was this happened to me on my So I did a solo mission in Afghanistan the book killed bin Laden ever hear of it. Yeah, I brought a hardback for you I'll sign it for you if you want, but it's hard to get a hardback.
01:29:05 Speaker_03
It's like it's like it's got library shit in it I had to buy it because like people always ask me to sign it. I didn't write the book I'm just in it And people always ask me for a signature on it, right?
01:29:16 Speaker_03
So I bought like, I don't know, a family or friend, someone wanted one. I bought like a lot from a library. They didn't use them no more, because they don't sell the hardbacks no more. But I went out on a mission alone in Afghanistan. I was gone 10 days.
01:29:29 Speaker_03
First, I think, first successful mission of the war, my opinion. I don't know. I don't know if there's other missions that were more successful than mine. So I went out alone, and then I do the recon. I have the footage I need.
01:29:45 Speaker_03
I have every fucking thing I need to launch a raid. We, I'm alone, we stop, I'm in a fuckin' jingly truck, right? Like I fuckin' just, I'm in this truck, I hitchhiked basically from Jalalabad into the Tora Bora mountains.
01:30:00 Speaker_03
I'm in a jingly truck with this fuckin' driver.
01:30:02 Speaker_01
What's a jingly truck?
01:30:03 Speaker_03
You know where they like, it's like a fuckin' like a six wheel like dump truck, but like they hang the chains and bells and they paint it like 17 different bright colors and they,
01:30:16 Speaker_03
You never seen a Jane yeah fucking jingly truck cuz it fucking jingles man. Yeah Yeah, fuck is that yeah, so I'm in one of these motherfuckers with this motherfucker, right? He's like a logger. He's he runs the valley.
01:30:31 Speaker_03
He's always in the area But like I don't know any of this fucking I can't even talk to the guy I don't fucking speak shit. You know what I mean I And then like it's fucking dangerous. I had to go through checkpoints.
01:30:43 Speaker_03
I had to act like a retard To get through a fucking checkpoint. What did you do? Yeah, I was at a fucking checkpoint and the dude was like There's this fucking the checkpoints in Afghanistan.
01:30:54 Speaker_03
They're fucking sketch You know, they got like one piece of yarn across the road and You better fucking stop or you will be shot.
01:31:02 Speaker_03
They don't give a fuck about you and like So the car in front of us, I think the fucking like this dude like stole bread from a little kid You know what?
01:31:11 Speaker_03
I mean little kid was eating a piece of bread We just snatched it out of the fucking car yelled at the people. I thought he was gonna schwack him because I didn't have Anything to give him that he wanted
01:31:23 Speaker_03
So I'm in this jingly truck comes next fucking a K in the chest I don't know what the fuck he's saying right, but I know if I speak English I'm dead So not an option So he's like yelling at me right and then finally I just figured I
01:31:41 Speaker_03
I'm gonna do like volume level 12 and just fucking yell in his face, right? So I just get super close to his face, which he didn't like. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. And then the guy's like, what the fuck?
01:31:56 Speaker_03
And then like backed up and then motion like. Motion like get the buck through here with a okay Wow Yeah, so what you just on the spot?
01:32:06 Speaker_03
Yeah, I was that another one I had a I picked up like a dirty towel or blanket off the floor and they took that Right, but what I learned being out alone one of the things I learned is you know you like you watch the movies and like they pull out a wad of cash and they're like I Wink get me across the border there friend.
01:32:23 Speaker_03
You know these motherfuckers are just shoot you in the face and take everything you got and Don't whip that shit out. You're going to get murdered. They're just going to take it all. I mean, they'll steal bread from a fucking kid.
01:32:33 Speaker_03
You think they give a fuck about your life? You know what I mean? And they just fucking throw you on the side of the road and let you rot. Like they don't even care about the smell.
01:32:41 Speaker_03
Like, so like, uh, yeah, I had to act like a retard through this one, man. They don't give a fuck, man.
01:32:47 Speaker_01
They don't give a fuck. You just figured that on the spot.
01:32:49 Speaker_03
on the spot yeah so uh we get i get in the truck we do the recon i like had a literally i had a cigarette bag i think it's like kent or some shit i don't fucking smoke but like kent cigarettes i had a plastic bag with my fucking sat phone and um anyway
01:33:06 Speaker_03
how to get a camera out, get it under my arm, and I kind of filmed the house, right? US eyes on. And then I had to get the footage back. So we get to the end of the valley. It's fucking dark.
01:33:18 Speaker_03
You know, there's no way we can get out of the valley before light. So we stop at this house, and the driver's like, you know, motion us in, right? It's the Muslim right of they can't turn you away, right? So we go to this house.
01:33:30 Speaker_03
We're in the room, bunch of old fucking grumpy men. They don't fucking like me at all. And the driver, and the driver, I guess, goes there and crashes all the time when he's in the valley, right? So this is normal for him to be here.
01:33:42 Speaker_03
And then, so in that room, they had like this boy, and they fucking drug him into another room, and you could hear yelling and shit. And I was just like, what the fuck do you do?
01:33:51 Speaker_03
I have everything I need to pull off the first successful mission in Afghanistan for the American government. Okay. Do I save this kid and compromise my mission or do I just get the fuck out of here?
01:34:08 Speaker_03
Pull this motherfucker off and the reality is I had to look the other way and I didn't like it But so I took my speed, you know, they give you speed I took my speed stayed up everyone went to bed. They fed me dark opium tea.
01:34:21 Speaker_03
They tried to put me down That's why I drank the tea. Anyway, knowing it was spiked And then I took my speed to kind of counteract it and then everyone went to bed. I laid there just wide awake and laid there wide awake like
01:34:35 Speaker_03
Fucking shut an eye these motherfuckers are gonna cut my dick off and stick it in my mouth because that seems like what they like to do and then Finally the middle of the night.
01:34:44 Speaker_03
I fucking fucking got my a K. I stuck it in the driver's face I drug him out to the truck like right before sunup, and we fucking left the valley, but like You know compromise the mission or save the kid. What do you want who?
01:34:58 Speaker_03
What's it gonna be, man?" And then, like, you just see this all over the place.
01:35:02 Speaker_01
So, you were, like, one of the first guys to do these singleton missions.
01:35:06 Speaker_04
Yeah, yeah.
01:35:07 Speaker_01
So, when they set you off to do something like that, like, what's the protocol? Like, how do they even... Good luck.
01:35:17 Speaker_03
You know, I mean, I don't know like Well back then it was that guy Dalton Fury, right the guy who wrote kill bin Laden was my commander and Okay, it's a long story I wrote I'm writing a book it's finished maybe someone would want to publish it but it's called the singleton and it's about my going out alone, but
01:35:41 Speaker_03
Was like they see I was I was at my base. I was in a saw to bad and we were just getting rocketed and mortared every day It's kind of like mortar bait, whatever and then we had like fucking zero Lickies and chewies no fucking candy. No beef jerky.
01:35:59 Speaker_03
No fucking pop-tarts. No fucking nothing, right and And we're just sucking it up and like I gotta eat fucking these Afghan motherfuckers cook us food and like I'm eating vegetables I don't even know what the fuck that vegetable was.
01:36:10 Speaker_03
I don't even recognize it as a vegetable. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know that's fucking goat cuz it tastes horrible, but I don't know what the fucking I don't even know what the fuck they cook me.
01:36:19 Speaker_03
You know, I mean, it's like anyway So I go to my boss and I'm like yo. Hey, I I wanna fuckin' go to the main base, right, and steal pogey from the fuckin' chow hall. What's pogey?
01:36:31 Speaker_03
Pogey bait is a term for like beef jerky, snacks, candy, cookies, like any kind of like snack food, right? So, and my boss is like,
01:36:44 Speaker_03
Yeah, if you you schedule the airplanes you make all the coordinations you can go I was like fucking bet man I fucking scheduled the helicopter like motherfuckers.
01:36:52 Speaker_03
You don't know how resourceful I can be you know what I mean, so I Scheduled everything for the next night, and then like I drove my I had a red Toyota truck I drove my Toyota truck in the back of the Chinook right so tight in there You can't even get out you got to just sit there.
01:37:06 Speaker_03
Hope you ain't got a piss I They fly me to the main base, fuckin' land, drive in the main base.
01:37:12 Speaker_03
Like, by this time, like, the Army's, like, takin' over, where, like, you gotta, like, fuckin' salute, um, fuckin' the Army base in Afghanistan, like, two weeks ago, like, a fuckin' SAS guy lost a leg in a landmine, you know?
01:37:24 Speaker_03
But, um... So, I go to the base, and then the commander sees me, and he's with his sergeant major, another guy, and they're like, this is our fuckin' guy right here. So they're like, hey, what are you doing? And I'm like, about to raid the chow hall.
01:37:42 Speaker_03
Like, what the fuck does it look like I'm doing? You know what I mean? Like, if it's one thing, I'm honest, right? So I was like, yeah, I'm getting pokey for the fucking, for our base. Like, what's up? And they're like, hey, we got a mission for you.
01:37:53 Speaker_03
And I told them, hey, I'll do it, right? But you just got to tell my, ask my boss if it's all right, because I didn't work for these guys. And they're like, OK, cool. They're in my squadron, but like, not my direct boss, right?
01:38:06 Speaker_03
So they call my boss my boss says fine and like they sit me in this room, and they're like hey We want you to go out alone, and I'm like okay, and they're like explain everything to me We want you to go out alone like do you have any questions?
01:38:18 Speaker_03
And I was like Mike my only question was and it wasn't a question I'd look the commander in the eye, and I said tell me you're gonna cover my ass if something goes wrong and
01:38:28 Speaker_03
He was like oh Yeah, we'll cover you like yo you could have gave a fucking better a man up with that answer You know what I mean like you know what I mean.
01:38:38 Speaker_03
He gives this like weak answer, and I'm just thinking well fuck man You know what I mean now, so what were they telling you they wanted you to do oh? Go out alone, US eyes on, get footage of this guy at his house so we could launch, right?
01:38:53 Speaker_03
Because the generals back then weren't in line with Bush's dead or alive. And they were, I believe the Pentagon was a bigger hindrance in the beginning of the war than they were fucking, than they were worth. But- How so?
01:39:09 Speaker_03
Well, the general at the time that was in charge of us, our task force, right? And we're talking about tier one, like the guy in charge then had like two rules. Number one, you can leave the wire if you get US eyes on a target. Okay.
01:39:27 Speaker_00
Okay.
01:39:28 Speaker_03
And number two, no one leaves the wire. Well, how the fuck are we going to do number one without, if we can't leave? Figure it out. So, the commander... I was... Because I was... When you say, leave the wire, what do you mean exactly?
01:39:44 Speaker_03
Like, go out hunting for bad guys. Leave your base. You know what I'm saying? Go out in combat.
01:39:49 Speaker_01
But you can't leave your base.
01:39:50 Speaker_03
But you can leave the base.
01:39:53 Speaker_03
But you got to get these eyes on to launch a target So you got to get your recon guys out there doing reconnaissance because we need these reconnaissance and US eyes on to hit these targets Okay, we want to launch reconnaissance Yeah, no one leaves a wire That's kind of how it worked man, right?
01:40:09 Speaker_03
So the reason they used me is According to the army the army at every level is great at accountability 100% we need to know where everyone is at all times, right? So when I flew to the other base, I was in transit, right?
01:40:28 Speaker_03
So they left me in transit for a week. So instead of saying I left the wire, I was just in transit because I was in transit anyway to go get Pop-Tarts. So they lied to everybody, left me, my staff, and I didn't know this at the time.
01:40:48 Speaker_03
I like, like this could have mattered less to me. I learned later, you know, but, uh, they paperwork nutshell the general and sent out reconnaissance and that was me.
01:41:00 Speaker_03
And then they came back with the eyes on and the general agreed to launch the mission and it was a success. And no one asked how the fuck did someone leave the wire? Cause no one cared cause we were successful. You know what I mean?
01:41:15 Speaker_01
So what are you thinking when you're out there doing this? Like what is going through your head when you agree to do this?
01:41:22 Speaker_03
Fuck. Figure it the fuck out. I don't fucking know. I'm not trying to have anything in my head right now.
01:41:28 Speaker_01
That's what's crazy. It's like they just let you figure it out.
01:41:31 Speaker_03
Yeah.
01:41:32 Speaker_01
So you have to feel very vulnerable.
01:41:35 Speaker_03
Um, I don't know. I wouldn't say vulnerable, Joe, but, uh, I do think this is like, there's guys that like fucking make it happen. You probably got guys like this. Any task you give a guy is just like, wait, you're done with that already? Like.
01:41:49 Speaker_01
Some people can just make shit happen.
01:41:50 Speaker_03
And then I'm one of those guys. That's like one of my better qualities, make it happen. So like fucking go make it happen, motherfucker.
01:41:59 Speaker_01
Go act like a retard when you get pulled over.
01:42:01 Speaker_03
Hey man, do what you gotta do, baby. Like fucking survival of the fittest.
01:42:06 Speaker_01
So the problem is once you do one of these, now you're the guy that can go do these things.
01:42:10 Speaker_03
Yeah, and I did hundreds in Iraq and fucking loved it.
01:42:13 Speaker_01
Jesus Christ.
01:42:15 Speaker_03
Yeah.
01:42:16 Speaker_03
Loved it Fuck that you know you you okay think about this Joe and and you do jiu-jitsu and you fight right you want to depend on yourself or You want to depend on yourself and people you don't know what the fuck they're made of Who the fuck are you gonna trust?
01:42:38 Speaker_03
Right, so it wasn't really a big stretch for me to be alone. You know what I'm saying?
01:42:43 Speaker_01
Yeah, I do, but it's still a very unusual mindset.
01:42:47 Speaker_03
Yeah, maybe. I don't know. And then my other mindset is like, no matter where I am, no matter what I do, everyone in a 25-yard radius is gonna fucking die. Just so I can make it home and if I had to kill everyone in the whole village goddamn, right?
01:43:03 Speaker_03
Everyone in that fucking village would be dead for me to come home. So I just figured yo fucking be ready to fight at all times.
01:43:12 Speaker_03
I learned a hundred to one lessons learned leadership lessons a hundred to one being alone versus being a pack of 30 motherfuckers and Like y'all let us come ram this down your fucking throat and we'll call it Tuesday. You know what I mean?
01:43:27 Speaker_03
where when I was alone like You got to make better decisions. You're a fucking coyote. You're a ghost You know, you got to make ghost decisions the fucking you know The bravado like we're gonna kill everybody the fuck we are we're not gonna fire a shot
01:43:40 Speaker_03
Why because like you you fire one shot as a singleton, you better be ready to kill everybody Because gunshots is a fucking dinner bell for psychos. You know what I mean? So Are you ready? You know what I mean?
01:43:53 Speaker_03
And the reality is is like I had to think of other shit do other shit how to act like a retard, you know, and then I had to get along with people I had a how to do so much shit that is out of like even the commando norm as a singleton, you know, I
01:44:08 Speaker_01
I think if no one that can really teach you this fuck I mean No How to breach an airplane right how the fuck you're gonna teach a guy to act like a retard if you get pulled over How are you gonna teach a guy to be a singleton and right?
01:44:25 Speaker_03
Well, we used to tell guys I used to tell my guys all the time and this is a unit thing but like I could train a monkey to shoot I'm training you to think Don't care about the shooting because if you're thinking right the shooting will be easy.
01:44:38 Speaker_03
You know what I'm saying?
01:44:39 Speaker_03
Yeah But yeah, man I'll tell you I thought about writing a leadership book calling it the singleton and just kind of the lessons I learned, you know Like so few guys have done that, you know, like I see all these like, you know, I don't know I don't look at the internet.
01:44:54 Speaker_03
I don't watch the news. I don't do any of that I don't do social media. I have it. I don't fucking look at it. I don't have it on my phone It's not worth my sanity So I'm like a fucking time capsule for fucking the 2000s. You know what I mean?
01:45:09 Speaker_03
And like, I never understood some of these other like veteran stories. You know, I never, I never kind of, look, the lone survivor. I never understood the full story. Cause I went out alone all the time. That shit didn't happen to me.
01:45:24 Speaker_03
Motherfucking seven Taliban on my ass. You want to see seven fucking bodies super quick. You know what I'm saying? Bring them boys up here, you know?
01:45:33 Speaker_03
I never really fucking understood some of these other stories because I had such a different experience I can't fathom if I was with five you know the times I was with five guys you know how many people I was with three guys you know how many people we killed in the Battle of Tora Bora fucking hundreds I just stopped counting on my first day like
01:45:52 Speaker_03
So, having said that, I don't understand some of these stories because I had the experience I had. You know what I'm saying?
01:45:59 Speaker_01
It's a very unusual experience. How many guys were singletons?
01:46:03 Speaker_03
Fuck, I don't know any. You don't know any? I mean, a couple of my buddies, but not like me. Wow. Yeah. And then once I did it, it was kind of my lot in life.
01:46:13 Speaker_00
How many pages is this book that you wrote?
01:46:16 Speaker_03
Uh, I don't know, like fucking 20 chapters.
01:46:19 Speaker_00
I wrote a big book. It seems like it'd have to be 500 fucking pages.
01:46:23 Speaker_03
Yeah. So I can't wait to read that book. Shameless plug. If you know anybody who buys books.
01:46:27 Speaker_01
Someone needs to buy that book. Yeah. We'll get to that book sold. All right. We'll get that book sold.
01:46:34 Speaker_03
So that leads me.
01:46:34 Speaker_01
I need to read that book right now.
01:46:36 Speaker_03
I'll give it to you. Okay. I'll text it to you.
01:46:39 Speaker_01
Okay.
01:46:39 Speaker_03
I'll text it to you today for real. I'll text it to you. I'm done with it.
01:46:43 Speaker_01
Okay.
01:46:43 Speaker_03
No, I think it's as good as I could get it. And I'm just a regular Chicago public school system. Fuck. I didn't even take a book home because if the school loses the books, they can't teach.
01:46:53 Speaker_03
So it was like half, half my class was in the book and the other half was homework and he left the books in class. So like,
01:46:59 Speaker_01
I didn't have homework, you know, it's probably better because you're gonna get it like yeah from you. Yeah with no Gloss.
01:47:07 Speaker_03
Yeah, no bullshit, but which leads me to Iraq where I did hundreds of solo missions. I was a taxi driver I had like I don't know fucking 30 50 vehicles and I so once they realize you can do this and Yeah.
01:47:22 Speaker_01
Like, oh, call McPhee.
01:47:23 Speaker_03
Yeah. Well, no, it's just kind of my thing. You don't have to call me. Just tell me what you need.
01:47:28 Speaker_01
Wow.
01:47:28 Speaker_03
Yeah. I mean, my bosses knew how to use me like that.
01:47:31 Speaker_01
So you started enjoying the craziness of it. I love being alone. Why did you love it so much?
01:47:39 Speaker_03
I don't know. I hate to say this, but like guys like me are generally fucking assholes. Like you've met a few guys like me and they're like, yeah, I was afraid someone would get away. Like, shut the fuck up, man. God damn it. You know what I mean?
01:47:54 Speaker_03
Like, so not really a fan of a lot of like alpha males. They can be dicks at times. So like, uh, yeah, it kind of set me down my, down my path as I just stayed away from the dicks and did my own thing.
01:48:08 Speaker_01
You know what I mean, right? So you just had you had your mission and you enjoyed the fact that it was all up to you I didn't have to fuck with no one else.
01:48:17 Speaker_03
It's on my timeline fucking and I will make this happen Like I will make shit happen that other people can't I don't know how I don't know why but I just will That is such a wild experience like your experience in war must be so different than everybody else's just because of that Yeah
01:48:34 Speaker_03
So, having said that, we're talking about Iraq, I brought some show-and-tell items. What'd you bring? I brought something I have never fucking shown before. What do you got? And I believe it's fucking evil. You wanna see it? Yeah, I do.
01:48:49 Speaker_01
What is it?
01:48:50 Speaker_03
I gotta get it out of my box.
01:48:52 Speaker_01
Oh, you got a box. Yeah, I brought a box.
01:48:57 Speaker_00
I'm kinda scared.
01:49:01 Speaker_02
What's that?
01:49:05 Speaker_03
Hey, can you Google Saddam Hussein Mauser?
01:49:08 Speaker_02
This is his hat?
01:49:10 Speaker_03
Yeah.
01:49:11 Speaker_02
Jesus.
01:49:12 Speaker_03
It's the one where he shoots the Mauser in the air at the fucking parade grounds. I was given that by his tailor. Wow. Yeah, that one. The liner fell out. The liner's in here. Look. You can see what kind of hat it is.
01:49:30 Speaker_03
The glue fell out of the liner, but look.
01:49:36 Speaker_02
That's fucking crazy.
01:49:37 Speaker_03
I rolled up his tailor. And all his butlers. Anybody who touched his ass fed him or touched his dick. I fucking rolled them motherfuckers up.
01:49:51 Speaker_00
Wow.
01:49:53 Speaker_03
Saddam was captured nine days after I left. I had to leave for Christmas.
01:49:58 Speaker_01
This is crazy. This was on his head, now it's here.
01:50:01 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but it's a Piccadilly Fox fur hat. I also have a sweater. I took a, I had all his clothes, like, man, fuck, I had everything that guy had. But yeah, his tailor. Okay, so Saddam's inner circle, right?
01:50:22 Speaker_03
When I was working Saddam, we were working a Saddam piece, right? Some fucking legendary hits that no one's ever fucking talked about, like,
01:50:31 Speaker_03
We did the cleverest shit fucking during Saddam And I will tell you this is I learned on my fucking singleton mission in Afghanistan the first one We need to be a lot fucking smarter if we want to crush these motherfuckers, and I'm not talking like we captured two bad guys I'm talking we go in kill everyone needs to be killed capture everyone that needs to be captured and fucking would do this right right so Yeah with the Saddam piece, right?
01:50:58 Speaker_03
His tailor and his butlers and Saddam's inner circle was all Christians. Fucking every one of them was a Christian. And Saddam believed. that Christians, if they martyr themselves, go to hell. Muslims martyr themselves, you go to heaven.
01:51:18 Speaker_03
So he surrounded himself with fucking Christians. So his tailor, his butlers, his jawalas, all those guys, they're fucking washing his ass, feeding this motherfucker. We're all Christians.
01:51:30 Speaker_03
And it's why Christians flourished in Iraq, which they're, you know, like, I'd like to, I'd hope all these guys are still alive, but the reality is, is like ISIS probably fucking got rid of them after Saddam's gone, you know?
01:51:43 Speaker_03
ISIS killed so many fucking Christians, you know what I'm saying? But they were all Christians. And so his, I, it started with the ex ambassador, excuse me, to the US. And then I met the tailor and started talking to the tailor.
01:52:04 Speaker_03
And then one day he brought this hat and he brought some clothes and I was like, what was this? And he was like, You know, he told me this is the one where he shot the Mauser, and he had some clothes. I grabbed a sweater.
01:52:14 Speaker_03
I wear this sweater on Christmas Eve, and then, hey, when I was fatter, it's like a fucking halter top, my belly fat's hanging out. You know, my family's like, I don't know, they think I'm nuts, but I normally wear that sweater on Christmas.
01:52:31 Speaker_03
I forgot to bring it around, I brought it, but. Wow. Yeah, now that I lost weight, I think I'm actually Saddam's size, you know what I'm saying? It's spooky, you know what I'm saying?
01:52:39 Speaker_03
End up being the same so that could have wore all those clothes, you know Wow, but yeah, they were Christians, right and We rolled up to Taylor The Taylor gave up a butler like I was me and another guy were at the Taylor's house Right, and we were gonna snatch this guy right this butler and the butler is the guy who used to wash Saddam Like he bathes Saddam every fucking day.
01:53:05 Speaker_01
So Saddam had someone bathe him Yeah, he didn't bathe himself
01:53:09 Speaker_03
No. Crazy, right? Yeah. Weird. But he had a lot of, a lot of, but they were all Christians and they were all, honestly, they were all fucking nice people to be fair. Like all the Christians were great people. Um, anyway, uh, yeah.
01:53:22 Speaker_03
So, uh, I'm in the house with another guy and the guy's early. So we fucking shoot up on the roof the guy comes I call my guys there They're not really in place yet. So he comes He leaves he only stays a minute and he's gone You know what? I mean?
01:53:42 Speaker_03
And these I think all these inner circle Saddam folks know they were valuable to us and and like they realized they were gonna get snatched at some time so he was like he was out right and
01:53:54 Speaker_03
I called my guys right and then Literally my guys were like two blocks away as he was leaving. He ran into their Humvee He ran into my guys and they're like, hey this guy just ran into us and like this vehicle.
01:54:07 Speaker_03
I'm like, that's the dude Yeah, he ran into our guys in a Humvee he was trying to drive away and like crashed into like the guys that were gonna snatch him Wow. Yeah. I'll tell you another Saddam story. This is this is my one of my favorites.
01:54:26 Speaker_03
Saddam had like regular pieces of ass and like his favorite piece of ass was this butter face lady. I don't know what she did for him, but she wasn't a looker. You know what I mean? So like look and feel are different things.
01:54:43 Speaker_03
Saddam knew what felt right to him, obviously. And she was married and we wanted to get to her. I mean, maybe Saddam's favorite sex. Partner wouldn't know where he is, right?
01:54:59 Speaker_03
So We have the tailor the tailor knows who he is So we have the tailor kind of invite him to the tailor stop shop this tailor had a store in downtown Baghdad so he comes in the store and
01:55:15 Speaker_03
I told my guys if he doesn't come out quick to, I had a couple, I don't know what they're called now, Mohawks, I think is what they call the Iraqi counter-terror guys. Before they were even established, the guys were with us.
01:55:29 Speaker_03
So we had a couple of those guys. And I have them start fighting in front of the store. So literally everyone piles on in the street to see these guys fighting. Everyone piles out of all the shops, stores, and everyone's watching these two guys fight.
01:55:46 Speaker_03
Literally, the guy we're looking for walks up to see the fight and his back is to the van door of the guys that are gonna snatch him. Wow. So I call him. I'm like, yo, you see that tall guy? That's our guy. Fucking snatch him. And no shit. Van door.
01:56:01 Speaker_03
Van door fucking opens. Nobody even knew where the fucking guy went the tailor later was like, where did he go? Did you take who took him? Where did this guy go? Where's this man at? Yeah, I mean like no one even seen him get snatched, right?
01:56:16 Speaker_00
That's such a clever idea.
01:56:18 Speaker_03
Yeah have two guys fight And then later my boss was like who were those guys fighting? I was like, that's our boys and he was like, wait, did you do that? And I was like I didn't want to be there for like six hours. Like, you know what I mean?
01:56:31 Speaker_03
Like, how do we speed this up? We got shit to do today. Like, you know what I mean? That's my efficiency.
01:56:36 Speaker_00
It's my thing, like... That's genius.
01:56:39 Speaker_03
Yeah. That's one of the... And we did so much. Hey, all right, I'll tell you another one. My first Saddam hit, uh... I worked a lot of Intel side for Saddam, me and a couple other guys.
01:56:53 Speaker_03
So we worked somewhere not with our squadron and we worked with another government agency. Make sense?
01:57:01 Speaker_03
We get the call the squadrons doing a hit there's a Saddam sighting right so this is like the beginning like 2003 Iraq we were fucking Ken blocking it with fucking maps like hit the third traffic circle go out on the nine o'clock like literally I get us to fucking Ken blocking fucking navigating through a fucking shitty Baghdad fucking street map I get us to the fucking target right and
01:57:26 Speaker_03
Humvees are already there. The rest of the guys are already there Rangers got that block and positions all set up So we get there we raid the house, right?
01:57:34 Speaker_03
We get all these guys and then finally there was like no fucking shit Joe there was like I Don't know 15 motherfuckers. It was like a Saddam look-alike fucking contest. They all had the mustache.
01:57:47 Speaker_03
There's like short fat Saddam's there's like tall skinny Saddam's so it's like body doubles and
01:57:53 Speaker_03
Well, I don't know if it was body double just all looked like yeah, because like the Saddam look was popular the mustache Yeah, I mean not that they all look the same, but they kind of all look the same, you know from my perspective at the time Right.
01:58:05 Speaker_03
So like it was like well, no wonder someone called this in it's fucking like they all look like Saddam, you know, I mean and then on the outside like
01:58:15 Speaker_03
Fuck man the Rangers shot up these vehicles at the blocking position I have my squad my my sergeant major was like hey go fucking clean up the bodies, and I'm like Why the fuck am I on brains detail?
01:58:27 Speaker_03
I didn't fucking shoot nobody today And he's like you're the only one with a regular pickup truck that could haul the bodies And I'm like fucker already thought it through. This is why this guy's the boss. You know what I mean like and then
01:58:42 Speaker_03
Lesson learned that day is you know, like in Iraq you just drink water out of bottles and then throw them in your truck Man, we were loading bodies in there's fucking a hundred water bottles in the back of the bed Someone just come by the bed of the truck and throw an empty water bottle in like at the house or whatever Right and like I'm throwing bodies and fucking shit in the back of my truck and there's like bloody water bottles squirting everywhere as a fucking mess man, so I
01:59:09 Speaker_03
I learned that day, like, my vehicles are always clean. Always fucking clean, man. From that day on. But, like, it's a fucking mess. And then, man, they shot up this fucking, this old man, this old lady. Like, they ran the checkpoint.
01:59:24 Speaker_03
They were about, they were about to hit the Humvee with the Rangers, so the kid shot at the driver, but, like, the kids didn't, the Rangers back then didn't know as much as Rangers know now. You know what I'm saying?
01:59:36 Speaker_03
And the kid shot the warning shots at the driver, but he hit the brakes. And the fucking vehicle will never stop if you shoot the brakes. I don't know if you know that.
01:59:49 Speaker_03
And it fucking hit the Humvee at like fucking 40 miles an hour, broke the transmission, and I had to clean up the bodies. Had a set up an HLZ take them later to the HLZ, you know what I mean?
01:59:59 Speaker_03
And then it was like my is my first Saddam raid in Iraq and it was my first Experience in Iraq with the Rangers and like that day I was fucking fed up with them, you know Like there's some young fucking 18 year old kid medic in the back of the truck and like I'm like, hey fucking give these people morphine and
02:00:20 Speaker_03
He's like, I'm not supposed to give the enemy morphine, Sergeant. You know what I mean? I'm like, yo, does anyone look like a fucking enemy to you here? Anyone fighting you in the back of the truck? Then there is no fucking enemies here, bud.
02:00:33 Speaker_03
Fucking give these people some drugs, so at least we ain't gotta fucking hear them moan and shit, you know what I mean? And the kid, I had to force him to fucking be humane, you know what I mean? Because he was just trying to follow orders.
02:00:46 Speaker_03
Later, they'd be so much better, right?
02:00:49 Speaker_03
Beginning of the war like my first that's my first Saddam hit you know what I mean, and I was just thinking Fucking this is gonna be awesome, and that kid was shooting down the street with the 50 Cal like Imagine just a fucking city street in Austin right and you're parked in the middle of the road And you just shoot with a 50 Cal off the top of a Humvee You know like eight feet off the ground through those tracer rounds would skip down the road It was breaking glass fucking going through cars fucking you know 500 yards down the road
02:01:17 Speaker_03
road like people scattered like it's amazing you know 50 cows amazing you know what I mean and then I had a fucking pickup guts but well this is the fucked up thing about it is like you you went through all this chaos
02:01:33 Speaker_01
You're uniquely qualified for chaos, for some strange reason.
02:01:38 Speaker_03
Love chaos is my jam, man. As soon as this gets confusing, yo, I got this. You know what I mean?
02:01:43 Speaker_01
But why is that?
02:01:44 Speaker_03
I don't fucking know.
02:01:46 Speaker_01
It seems to be what I do best. Does it always go like that? Yeah, I think so. Is that something that, like, you accumulated this mindset over time? I don't know. Or did you just always have it? I think it was beaten to me.
02:01:57 Speaker_03
Really? Yeah, like, think about it. When I was a kid, the house was chaotic.
02:02:02 Speaker_00
Yeah.
02:02:02 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? You learn the chaos.
02:02:06 Speaker_01
Right. And then it's just, you're designed for that. Bring glass in case of war.
02:02:12 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah. I guess so. I don't know. I think I'm a normal guy, but like people tell me I'm not. It's not normal.
02:02:19 Speaker_01
I mean, I understand you. I understand you. It's not normal, but I understand you.
02:02:25 Speaker_03
Yeah. I mean, like, look, I just feel like, okay, we're all going to die. I'm not going to let it ruin my day. I've been through bad shit. I'm not the fucking victim. I've done bad shit. I'm not the fucking bad guy. You know what I'm saying?
02:02:38 Speaker_03
Like, uh, and then having said that, it's like, I don't know, man. I think it affects everybody differently, but I think, you know, um, before I retired, I was burned out. I didn't know I was burned out. I was an asshole every day.
02:02:53 Speaker_03
Fucking, I was, you know, you, I mean, I just, fucking guys would come into my office, what do you want? Yeah, too slow, get the fuck out. When you know what you want, come back. The guy would be like, ugh, okay, sorry, Major.
02:03:04 Speaker_01
Well, you were operating at 10.
02:03:06 Speaker_03
Always always yeah, and then I learned man like I was having a lot. I fucking hated my life. I was miserable I hated being a sergeant I hated being army management is what I called it. I'm not a leader. I'm not a follower.
02:03:19 Speaker_03
I'm not a soldier I'm fucking army management, and that shit is fucking dry fucking toast you know what I'm saying And I just got out of fucking Baghdad in o6 fucking killing people like o6 was a great year you know and then I got to sit on the fucking staff and do this shit like
02:03:35 Speaker_03
It's just fucking killing me Joe and then so like I wasn't a very good song major so I realized one day like man I think I used to be funny like you know like when I was a kid like I'd catch that beating if I could say that one fucking smartass comment to you I might get beat more and
02:03:53 Speaker_03
But I fucking said my piece, you know, I mean even as a little kid I'll take the beating to fucking call you an asshole, right? So like I kind of maybe had that mindset going into it or something. You know what I mean?
02:04:06 Speaker_03
Yeah like But yeah, man I just think like I think a lot of it just goes back to my childhood and being able to manage the chaos one minute We're fighting the next minute, you know, someone's at the front door. Let's go answer
02:04:19 Speaker_01
The crazy thing about it is if you are, you're running any branch of the military and you're asking a lot of people to find someone like you, that you can find someone who doesn't just accept this but thrives on it.
02:04:38 Speaker_01
That's, like, try recreating that in a lab. Fuck. You know what I'm saying? I don't know. How do you make that? You can't.
02:04:45 Speaker_03
I don't know. I've only seen, like, I don't know, in my experience of all the guys I know and all the combat I've seen, I'd say there's, like, just, I mean, you know, we're not the common guys.
02:04:58 Speaker_00
How many guys?
02:04:59 Speaker_03
Maybe a dozen in my life.
02:05:00 Speaker_02
You guys on a group chat? Fuck no.
02:05:03 Speaker_03
Fuck, now you don't talk to nobody. You know what I mean? You'll never know who they are. They ain't fucking talking to you, me, fucking nobody. You know what I mean?
02:05:11 Speaker_03
And some of the, you know, I maybe know a dozen of those guys, eight probably still work for the dark side of the government as old men, wherever that is. And the other guys are like raising families and don't want you fucking with them.
02:05:25 Speaker_00
Right.
02:05:26 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? They don't do shit like this.
02:05:28 Speaker_01
Yeah.
02:05:29 Speaker_03
Guys like me don't do shit like this.
02:05:30 Speaker_01
But the thing about it is, if you didn't talk about it, people wouldn't know. Right. Like, I think it's great that you talk about it. I think it's important.
02:05:38 Speaker_01
I think people need to, I mean, people need to, you know, we're trying to, like, fill in an understanding of the world. And until you've talked to someone who's experienced a part of the world in a way, in a way that no one else has,
02:05:54 Speaker_01
You don't know that that's a thing.
02:05:56 Speaker_03
Right.
02:05:56 Speaker_01
Like the fact that you can come and talk about this is a very good thing for everybody. Thank you. Because people will see like, okay, like this is super complicated. Like this, the whole thing was super complicated.
02:06:10 Speaker_01
And to have a guy that could talk about navigating probably the most complicated aspect of this super complicated thing, and to actually thrive in it. It's very strange.
02:06:23 Speaker_03
Thank you. I still think I'm normal, Joe. I think I'm a regular guy.
02:06:26 Speaker_01
You're definitely not normal. But like I said, I understand you. Thanks, man. I get it.
02:06:31 Speaker_03
But yeah, man. And look, I got some more items. You want to see something else I've never shown off? So I talk about stories in some of my videos about being a taxi driver. I also had another vehicle that was an Ude Kuse secret police vehicle.
02:06:48 Speaker_03
So when I drive this vehicle downtown, like, the fucking sea would part. The road could be packed. And I'm driving my vehicle and people just move. What kind of vehicle was it?
02:06:57 Speaker_03
It was like a Maxima, a Nissan Maxima, but it's what the Ude secret police drove. You know what I'm saying? And then they carried these, and I'll show you. Check this out.
02:07:11 Speaker_01
Whoa.
02:07:14 Speaker_03
So the lion is the Babylon lion, and that's the symbol of the Republican Guard. But I used to carry that as a taxi driver. And when I get out of the taxi, people would see that fucking gun and just fucking walk away.
02:07:32 Speaker_03
And that's a Republican, that's what the Republican Guard rocked, those silver guns. I say it's a pearl handle, but it's like plastic.
02:07:39 Speaker_01
Yeah, it's plastic.
02:07:40 Speaker_03
Yeah, nothing fancy about it.
02:07:43 Speaker_01
But specific to them. Yeah. Wow.
02:07:48 Speaker_03
Yeah, I had a guy make it for me. There's only so many guys that'll do a case You wanna you want like a silver a K. What are you the cartel? No get the fuck out of here You're not serious about guns.
02:08:08 Speaker_03
You know how many fucking knows I had to collect up to like Anyway, but that's my Republican Guard. That's my taxi driver.
02:08:15 Speaker_01
So you had that made Specifically because you knew that they carried that
02:08:19 Speaker_03
No, I captured that on the battlefield and carried it in Iraq.
02:08:24 Speaker_01
So that is one, but why does it say Bozeman, Montana?
02:08:26 Speaker_03
Cause well, cause, okay. So if you bring one home, you get fired. But what I did, what I did is I took the hand guard and the pistol grip and then I had a guy make a copy of what I had.
02:08:43 Speaker_00
Yeah.
02:08:44 Speaker_03
Yeah.
02:08:45 Speaker_01
Okay.
02:08:45 Speaker_03
So it's, it's, I mean it's legal and everything.
02:08:48 Speaker_03
So the handguard and the pistol grip yeah, right, but that's exactly what the original gun look like cuz I didn't look when you're in the defo like you want to get fired for bringing back an AK right fucking you know what I mean like Dumb like you know what I mean like it's not worth the risk right but like it's like hey Can I bring this handguard back like the fuck you want that garbage for oh?
02:09:11 Speaker_03
That's a yes, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it took me a while to get, but yeah, that guy built it for me.
02:09:16 Speaker_01
Wow.
02:09:17 Speaker_03
Just got it. Kind of matches the hat. Everybody I know likes to take a picture with that and the hat. So it's kind of popular. Wow. Yeah, the hat's been in Texas here for a very long time. Been stored in Texas.
02:09:32 Speaker_03
Got it documented about as much as possible as I can.
02:09:35 Speaker_00
Just having some fucking nightmares about that hat.
02:09:37 Speaker_03
I don't know. Hey, you know anybody that might want it?
02:09:41 Speaker_01
Well, you were selling it? Yeah. I bet somebody would want that.
02:09:44 Speaker_03
I don't want it.
02:09:45 Speaker_01
Yeah, I don't want to keep that in my house.
02:09:47 Speaker_03
No, fuck no, Joe. Why do you think I keep it in a black fucking box, man? Yeah, I don't want it. But I know there is people out there that would treat it better than me. I mean, I crammed it in a box. And the guy that stored it for me put it in glass.
02:10:03 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? He kind of knew what he was doing. Actually, I had it stuffed in a bag.
02:10:08 Speaker_01
You know what that would be good for? Zack Bagans haunted museum. Mmm. Yes. Have you know Zack?
02:10:15 Speaker_03
No, I hear that place is fucking creepy My brother said it was fucking And my brother likes creepy shit and he was freaked out.
02:10:23 Speaker_01
He's got everything in that place.
02:10:25 Speaker_03
He's got a Kevorkians van He's got the Camaro from fucking the Waco. What's Koresh? Does he and like this?
02:10:34 Speaker_01
I don't think so. I
02:10:35 Speaker_03
I thought he bought the Camaro from Correction. You were gonna buy it? Wasn't the serial number like I am God or something?
02:10:42 Speaker_01
Wasn't it the serial number? It's a 68 Camaro and it was for sale and I came that close to pulling the trigger on it. But I was like, I don't want that fucking bad juju in my life. That's it. 68 Camaro from Deadly Siege. Zach Beggins. Oh, he does have it.
02:10:54 Speaker_01
So he bought it. So Zach bought it.
02:10:56 Speaker_02
He's the one selling it, I think.
02:10:58 Speaker_01
Oh, he's selling it now. So he got it. It was for sale. 23 this was from a year.
02:11:03 Speaker_01
No this it was for sale quite a while ago, and I was gonna buy it Somebody emailed me and told me that they know I love old muscle cars And they said caresses Camaros for sales like ooh, and I went like this let me buy it then I was like no The fuck am I gonna do with this?
02:11:19 Speaker_01
Yeah?
02:11:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, I'd rather buy one that has no history.
02:11:23 Speaker_01
Yeah, I have a 69. I love them. I love old muscle cars, so I was thinking about it. But I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You don't want that in your life.
02:11:31 Speaker_03
I had a 67 Camaro when I was a kid.
02:11:33 Speaker_01
Look at the title. David Koresh, Waco, Texas. Jesus Christ.
02:11:38 Speaker_03
Does the serial number say I am God or something?
02:11:42 Speaker_01
No, it seems normal. Look at the VIN numbers, normal, it's a normal VIN number. Fucking crazy asshole. That guy, I, when, you know, you went to the Mothership last night? Yeah.
02:11:53 Speaker_01
I was gonna buy another building before that that was run by a cult, and they moved out here, it was called, I forget what the... What was the name? The Bodhi Tree? Is that what it's called? Anyway, there's a documentary on it. It's called Holy Hell.
02:12:07 Speaker_01
So this guy, he was a yoga teacher in West Hollywood. And he was a gay porn star and a hypnotist. So this fucking guy. He got a lot of ass. So the Bodhi Field, that's it. Thank you. Waco goes off, right?
02:12:26 Speaker_01
And then the cult awareness network starts investigating him. And he's running this cult in West Hollywood. So he escapes in the middle of night and drives out to Texas, moves to Austin, tells everybody come here. And they all move out to Austin.
02:12:40 Speaker_01
And then he has them build this place. It's called the One World Theater. And all the cult members ran this place for years until they figured out that this guy was fucking everybody.
02:12:50 Speaker_01
One guy sends out a mass email saying, hey, this guy's been hypnotizing me and buttfucking me for the last 10 years. And everybody's like, me too. So then they all find out that he's fucking everybody, this guy. So they all leave. The cult falls apart.
02:13:03 Speaker_01
The building's for sale, so I swoop in. When I move here, the building's for sale. Ron White tells me about the building being for sale. He's like, this building's fucking awesome. I perform there. You should buy it.
02:13:15 Speaker_01
So Ron White's my hero, so I'm like, I'll buy it. Fuck it. We're going to open up a comedy club. Let's open it up in this place.
02:13:22 Speaker_01
All sorts of problems with the building code this that a lot of environmental a lot of shit So I get out of it, but I bought the building before I watched the documentary So I watched the documentary and I'm like, oh no Same thing.
02:13:37 Speaker_01
It's like these fucking people though all the lives lost they lived 20 years these poor people wasted 20 years of their life following this fucking asshole and And he's got this building. But the reason why he bought the building was because of Waco.
02:13:50 Speaker_01
So when Waco pops off, they were like, oh, jeez, these cults are fucking dangerous. So the Cult Awareness Network starts going after everybody. So this guy moves here and changes his name. Because back then, you could kind of change. No internet.
02:14:02 Speaker_01
You could do that. You could kind of change your name and know, oh, it's a different guy. And so he has all his followers build him this theater. So for a brief period of time, I was under contract for that theater.
02:14:14 Speaker_03
Do you go in their building?
02:14:15 Speaker_01
Oh, yeah. Was it creepy in there? It was a little weird. This guy would like he had this theater, this beautiful theater. He had it built so he could dance in front of his followers so he could perform in front of his followers. He was a weird cat.
02:14:31 Speaker_01
He was like a really handsome guy when he was younger. But then as he got older, he started getting plastic surgery and got look real weird.
02:14:37 Speaker_01
And he would, like, be thinking about getting something done, so he'd force one of his followers to go get it done. And so they'd get it done, they'd come back with their fuckin' cheeks, and they'd be like, hmm, I kinda like that.
02:14:46 Speaker_01
And then he would go and get the surgery done. At the end of it, the end of the documentary, he looks really fuckin' weird. Cause he's got Botox and fuckin' cheekin' all weird shit to his face.
02:14:57 Speaker_01
Yeah, but the feeling in the building was just like of loss. That's what it felt like, loss. Just, oh no.
02:15:06 Speaker_01
You know, like you don't want to buy a house from some people that they went bankrupt and they lost everything and their family fell apart and then you're in the house like, ooh, this house feels like sadness.
02:15:16 Speaker_01
I felt like we could burn some sage and fucking party in there for a few days. We'll clean it up.
02:15:20 Speaker_03
Get some good energy in.
02:15:21 Speaker_01
But now, I'm glad. I'm glad that didn't happen.
02:15:25 Speaker_03
Why even go through that?
02:15:26 Speaker_01
Yeah, well it was kind of funny at first.
02:15:28 Speaker_01
I thought it was funny until I felt you know a cult owned it Oh, this is funny, and then my buddy Adam called me up because hey you watch a documentary on that fault I was like oh, no There's a documentary never good.
02:15:39 Speaker_01
Yeah, they don't like doc make documentaries about the good cults No, and it was a fucking it was horrible at the end of the documentary like you're tearing up you're like oh these poor fucking people and
02:15:48 Speaker_01
Because he's so many people some people are just gullible and they they're not bad people They just want someone better than them to tell them how to live life.
02:15:56 Speaker_01
Yeah, that's all they need something Yeah, they need something if they're missing something whatever it is something went wrong and they're willing to believe a lot of really ridiculous shit and then 20 years later.
02:16:07 Speaker_03
They realize they wasted their life people do a lot of weird shit call it religion. I Mm-hmm.
02:16:11 Speaker_01
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, and that was this place. Yeah, but That was because of Waco that this this guy built this thing. Yeah Damn, the Waco things fucked you ever watched the the raid?
02:16:25 Speaker_03
I know yeah, I mean the raid kind of like we got the briefings back in the day like, you know The raid was a couple years old, but yeah I know about the raid.
02:16:34 Speaker_01
It was pretty fucked. I mean they just cooked those people.
02:16:37 Speaker_01
Yeah, they burned it down Oh, yeah, if I could see the tanks like shooting fire into the buildings, I don't know what happened caught fire Yeah, it was back in the 90s when you could kind of get away with something like that and people didn't really know oh
02:16:49 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah, like well, we didn't know it would burn. Well, it is made of wood Yeah, but I mean we shot fire at it.
02:16:55 Speaker_01
Yeah, I don't know what happened.
02:16:56 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy All right, you ready? I got some other stuff.
02:17:01 Speaker_00
What else you got?
02:17:02 Speaker_03
What else you got? I Got I got a swag bag for you. Okay, I got a bunch of stuff I make that I do right So I just kind of wanna I like to do this, right? Look I got you a The SOB hat. This is the best hat we sell right here.
02:17:21 Speaker_03
I wear this on the range every day. I got your same t-shirt as me. Team SOB shirt. Welcome to the team, Joe. Thank you. We're glad to have you. My second favorite shirt of all times is this, and I wear this every day when I elk hunt. Do you really? Yeah.
02:17:38 Speaker_03
Oh, wait. Oh, no. This is the wrong one. I got a shirt. I sell these shirts. They're called slaughter things, and it's all I wear in elk camp. You know what I mean? But look, we got you a shut-up hippie shirt. I sell a ton of these. I wear these normally.
02:17:53 Speaker_01
What are they? Are they knives? They're bullets.
02:17:56 Speaker_03
Bullets. Got you a shut-up hippie shirt. When I go to California and teach California classes, I wear a shut-up hippie shirt all the time. And then tons of guys by him. I had a guy he comes to my classes. He's a younger kid.
02:18:10 Speaker_03
He's tall Got a young family, right? They go to I think Asheville, North Carolina and they're eating it like some Destination like you got to go eat here and it's a bus So he's a big guy, right?
02:18:22 Speaker_03
And he's in this like school bus and it's where you got to order is in this old school bus. So he said like my shoulders almost touching the ceiling and he had to put his head down and he had to shut up hippie shirt on behind him.
02:18:32 Speaker_03
And some, Hey, some hippie behind him was like, better be careful wearing that shirt. You'll get your ass kicked around here. Right? And he, and he says, he looks back and he pulled up his shirt and he said, better make it a gunfight.
02:18:45 Speaker_03
And they shut the fuck up.
02:18:46 Speaker_02
Oh, that's hilarious.
02:18:47 Speaker_03
You're gonna get your ass kicked.
02:18:50 Speaker_01
That's so funny. By hippies. That's so funny. That's the most gentle ass kicking of all time.
02:18:55 Speaker_03
Yeah. Thank you for that. You know what I mean?
02:18:57 Speaker_01
Yeah.
02:18:58 Speaker_03
Okay. I got your condom holster. I make these. It's your EDC. Yeah.
02:19:04 Speaker_01
You make these out of leather, right?
02:19:05 Speaker_03
Yeah. They're made out of leather.
02:19:07 Speaker_01
I saw this on Sean's show. Yeah.
02:19:08 Speaker_03
Nice. Yeah. It's all I use. It's all I wear. It is the most comfortable holster. Here. And that's all the stuff for you. Oh, thank you. I'll give you the bag too. Oh, I got a bag. Okay, so check this out.
02:19:19 Speaker_03
Here's another thing I use all the time the cooling schmock So basically I saw this too. You know what the you know the schmocks, right?
02:19:27 Speaker_03
Yeah, basically I made a cooling towel the size of a schmock Okay, so like when I'm on the range literally I just dump a bottle of water in my neck the fucking thing absorbs it What's it made out of?
02:19:38 Speaker_03
It's the cooling material, you know, like the cooling towel material, right? But the problem with most cooling towels is they're not big enough, so it's like one layer on your neck and it dries in like two minutes.
02:19:50 Speaker_03
This you could kind of get double it up, pour water on it, it'll stay cool for a long time.
02:19:54 Speaker_01
Because I've seen people, they're making gear and clothes out of like this cooling material. What is it?
02:20:00 Speaker_03
I don't know, I think it's like the way it's woven to where when the water drains out of it, it cools quicker. And it's materials that cool quicker or feel cool to the touch kind of deal, without knowing what it is.
02:20:12 Speaker_01
I've heard people talk about clothes that they make out of this. They're like, it's really legit. For whatever reason, it keeps you cooler.
02:20:19 Speaker_03
I would wear t-shirts on the range made of that shit every fucking day I'm outside. Yeah? Yeah, fuck yeah. Especially in the heat, you know what I mean? Okay, so check it out.
02:20:29 Speaker_03
I got you a couple slings I don't know if you have rifles, but okay hundred percent made in America Everything on the sling is made. There's a cutie on there. I make traditionally cuties in the gun world. I
02:20:42 Speaker_01
If somebody wants to buy any of this stuff, where do they get it online? Sheriff of Baghdad, Joe. SheriffofBaghdad.com? That's right. That's right.
02:20:49 Speaker_03
Okay. Here's another thing I got you, punchers, punch daggers.
02:20:52 Speaker_01
Oh, okay.
02:20:53 Speaker_03
So it's G10.
02:20:55 Speaker_01
I got a few of them here. Oh, okay. So this doesn't even go through a metal detector.
02:20:59 Speaker_03
That's right. A, there's no metal in the sheath. It's all plastic screws. A, cleans up easy. No DNA. You could clean it in diesel fuel. It'll wash all the DNA off. Diesel fuel?
02:21:11 Speaker_01
You can wash it in anything. Is that the move? Alcohol, yeah. Diesel fuel's the move? I think so. Just go to the gas station, get on the canisters.
02:21:19 Speaker_03
You could do fucking dish soap, but you can't permeate the plastic. It'll come clean. And I sharpen them with... I sharpen them normally with like 400 grit sandpaper.
02:21:29 Speaker_00
Really?
02:21:29 Speaker_03
I just resharpen them with sandpaper. But the reason I made it is I always wanted something where like, I was always wearing my body armor, right? And I wanted to just put the punch dagger right in the center.
02:21:41 Speaker_03
That way if something happened, I could get it. Right. Boom. And just start fucking punching. I mean, the whole problem with knives is you got to learn how to use a knife. But with a punch dagger, if you could throw a punch. Right.
02:21:54 Speaker_03
You could bury that thing in someone's neck. You know what I mean? Which is what I would tell anyone.
02:21:58 Speaker_01
Jamie's been looking for one of those for a while. Haven't you, Jamie?
02:22:02 Speaker_03
Yeah, hey It'll clean the DNA off sand it down a little alcohol. Okay. Another thing I made and this is super important I call these combat bands.
02:22:13 Speaker_03
It's a high temperature silicone, but it's a rubber band The so what here is when like when I carry this rifle, I put a sling on it But if I'm in in and out of vehicles, the sling is always just hanging somewhere, right?
02:22:25 Speaker_03
so I put the rubber band on the gun and
02:22:28 Speaker_03
Then I just weave the sling underneath the rubber band so if this touches the barrel doesn't melt right right and then back in the day I had to use actual rubber bands for parachutes And if I can last a day like in the heat in Texas a rubber band will last one day in a car well Well, that's only one day.
02:22:46 Speaker_03
I might I got to go to out every day in my car right so when I retired it's one of the things I wanted the most so I made them the Guys use them to put suppressor covers, hold them on there, banging on the suppressors.
02:22:58 Speaker_01
You have great videos online, like instructional videos, like how to fight out of your car.
02:23:04 Speaker_00
Yeah, thank you, yeah.
02:23:06 Speaker_01
They're really informative. Things I didn't think I was interested in learning. Then I started watching this, like, this guy's fucking thought this shit through.
02:23:14 Speaker_03
It's all I did, Joe. Look, I'm a simple guy. Let me just show you how I did this, right? Maybe you come up with a better way. I don't know, right? But I think this is the difference between the Army and the unit.
02:23:29 Speaker_03
In the Army, they're like, here's a gun, kid. Go use it. In the unit, they're like, let me show you to the nth degree how to use that rifle. So when something happens, guess what? You know what I'm saying?
02:23:40 Speaker_03
So it's the difference between showing someone something and teaching someone something and I think those are different and I think I think that's what the unit was good at Here's some of my favorite things the boot kits Solomon boots made for the military.
02:23:55 Speaker_03
I've been wearing Solomon boots. You'll see a set of Solomon boots in the Saddam picture and Yeah, yeah, it's all I wear Solomon's right well if you got the quests, you know how the laces kind of come Yep, so like the running shoes.
02:24:09 Speaker_01
Yeah.
02:24:09 Speaker_03
Yeah, so I turn them into like the running shoes. Oh Nice. Yeah, we sell a ton of those. Okay.
02:24:15 Speaker_01
And what do you do with the extra lace? Cut it off.
02:24:17 Speaker_03
Oh, you just cut it off. I loosen the boot where I get my foot out and I cut the excess off and put the end on. So I don't have like three feet of laces. I only have like eight or 10 inches, you know what I mean? Six inches, whatever it is. Okay. Smart.
02:24:34 Speaker_03
These are some of my best things. This is a, I would call it a scribe tool, right? In the fact that it's a carpenter pencil. Make sense? You know a carpenter pencil? But the middle is G10. Same thing as the punch knife. So it's for stabbing.
02:24:53 Speaker_03
A lot of guys carry them, go through metal detectors, a lot of guys carry them to airports, like these things. I get pictures of these things everywhere. I made it fist size so you could punch with it or kind of get a good stab with it if you wanted.
02:25:10 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? Something I always wanted.
02:25:13 Speaker_01
Smart. Yeah, I have a pencil like that someone gave me.
02:25:16 Speaker_03
Yep. Yep. Okay, so check this out you here's a bunch of stickers we make Some of the things that happen on the range blind guys. I always tell them they can't see shit You know how like when you shoot and guys like really push their butt backwards.
02:25:32 Speaker_03
I call that the prison wallet Showing me your prison wallet, you know what I mean?
02:25:39 Speaker_03
So there's a lot of stickers are like funny shit I tell guys all the time like a guy I'll be shooting good all day long and the end of the day you'll fuck something up and I'll just come up all I gotta do is whisper to a guy be like sucks to suck don't So all the stickers are just funny shit that happens on the range, right and then look this is the premise of the NRA show we talked about earlier is I made a little card and
02:26:04 Speaker_03
The gun world is sketchy information at best, generally speaking, of where your bullets go and why. Like it's fucking magic. It's about eye dominance. One side's eye dominance, the other one is how to fix yourself, where the bullets go and why.
02:26:20 Speaker_03
Make sense?
02:26:21 Speaker_00
Yeah. So, look, this edge.
02:26:24 Speaker_03
Yeah. So, look, this edge. Tension on the left hand. Yep. And then, like, you use this edge. So, if your group is generally tall, right, you got stance issues.
02:26:35 Speaker_03
And then as you see your group, whatever angle it's on, the arrows point to it and tell you how to fix it.
02:26:43 Speaker_00
Interesting.
02:26:43 Speaker_03
Now, backside eye dominance. This is where the gun world fucks up. And I'll tell you this, the gun world talks about two things for eyes. Primary hand, primary eye. Right-handed, right-eye dominant.
02:26:56 Speaker_03
They talk about being cross-eye dominant, right-handed, left-eye dominant. Right? Okay. Here's how division I think really works. Okay. Being primary hand primary eye is the guy who makes all the rules in shooting.
02:27:11 Speaker_03
You should open your eyes You should do this, right? He makes all the rules But the reality is is his vision is his right eye on a scale of 1 to 10 He'll tell you borderline 11 because it's that fucking good You know what?
02:27:23 Speaker_03
I mean borderline 11 in the good eye ask him the vision in his other eye and he's gonna tell you heart 8 It's not really so good Mm-hmm. This guy will always be able to keep the other eye open Makes sense.
02:27:36 Speaker_03
Yeah, okay now These are the same thing it whether your primary hand primary eye or cross-eye dominant It's the same thing.
02:27:45 Speaker_03
You have a strong eye and a weak eye and the strong eye takes over Doesn't fucking matter strong eye takes over right fucking easy for you. Okay, this is one out of ten and The other nine are what I call I neutral, right?
02:27:58 Speaker_03
They don't have a dominant eye and either I could take over at any time because either I on a pistol could see the sites at any time. And this is where people get fucked up. That makes sense with archery too. A hundred percent.
02:28:11 Speaker_01
It's the same. Don't like to keep both eyes open. I've tried it.
02:28:15 Speaker_03
Yeah. Well that's cause you're what I would call I neutral.
02:28:18 Speaker_01
Hmm.
02:28:20 Speaker_03
Say what I'm saying? And then I would also say this, if you have a gray hair on your head, you're closer to being eye neutral than any eye dominant, any fucking thing because of life, right?
02:28:32 Speaker_03
And the reason I would tell you that is because the part of the brain that works the eyes is like the part of the brain that works the ears. It's the part of the brain that works the legs and the arms, right?
02:28:41 Speaker_03
They work, all these things on your subconscious I think work better together and are stronger together. What do I mean by that? You know, when it comes to leg days, dudes are like, dude, man, bro, on a squat 500 on leg day.
02:28:54 Speaker_03
Okay, does that mean you can do 250 pounds with one leg? No, you can't probably right because the legs are stronger together than they are independently, right?
02:29:03 Speaker_03
And this is a function of the the the deep part of your brain the fast part of your brain, right? So having said that you can't choose an ear Kenya, right?
02:29:12 Speaker_03
The only way you can choose an eye is the eyelid which has nothing to do with vision or dominance.
02:29:17 Speaker_01
Mmm See what I'm saying makes sense I've never heard anybody say that so but now that you're saying it yeah, like okay, okay
02:29:24 Speaker_03
Yeah. So if you look at the card, right, if you're like right handed, right eye dominant, you should be hitting in the middle of the circle there, right? But if your left eye takes over, look where the rounds will go.
02:29:36 Speaker_03
And it'll always be, look, it'll always be eye distance apart on your target. So people that have eye issues, they don't shoot one group. They shoot two groups, one for each eye and the gun goes left eye, right eye, left eye, right eye.
02:29:50 Speaker_01
Evan was telling me that he learned to practice left-handed a lot. And he practices things, even though he's right-hand dominant, it helped the right side to practice with the left side. Do you subscribe to that?
02:30:05 Speaker_03
Yes, I do. And I'll tell you why. Before I retired from the Army, I tore my bicep out of my left arm. I'm left-handed.
02:30:14 Speaker_03
So I went and turned in all my left-handed holsters and got right-handed holsters And I was like, I'm gonna train myself to be right-handed from here forward because the VA said I'd never use my left hand again So I was like, okay. Fuck you guys.
02:30:26 Speaker_03
I'll be a righty. You can't slow me down. You know what I mean? And then I started training as a righty Took me about two weeks. I was fucked up. It was tough. You know what I mean? I had to stick with it. Fucking a lot of frustrating days.
02:30:38 Speaker_03
And after about two weeks, my brain just transferred all that skill to the right hand. And I just fucking rocked it from then on out.
02:30:45 Speaker_01
It makes sense because you have this mental memory of excellence with one side. You just have to...
02:30:51 Speaker_03
Well, think about this. If you actually knew perfect practice, you could switch that to the other hand.
02:30:56 Speaker_01
Right.
02:30:56 Speaker_03
But if you never knew perfect practice, the other hand would get the same garbage.
02:30:59 Speaker_01
Right. That makes sense.
02:31:01 Speaker_03
Yeah. So.
02:31:03 Speaker_01
The eye thing completely makes sense, and I've never heard anybody say it before. Everybody says you should keep both eyes open.
02:31:08 Speaker_03
Well you should, but the guy who made that rule has a strong eye and a weak eye and he can do that. Where you, your brain, when I say someone is eye neutral, your brain treats your eyes as equal. What does that mean?
02:31:20 Speaker_03
Your vision could be shit, it could be great, but the brain says, I got two windows. I look out of this one, eh, let me look out of that one. And you're going back and forth.
02:31:29 Speaker_03
You'll see the gun move, you'll see the head move, and then most of the time it just, like it's no good. You're just not seeing it good. Make sense?
02:31:38 Speaker_01
It does. Are you one of those guys that resists red dots, or do you use red dots? I don't give a shit.
02:31:43 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? I can bring that shit.
02:31:44 Speaker_01
But did you ever resist it at all, or do you? Because iron sights never fail you. They're always there. No batteries.
02:31:50 Speaker_03
I am not a red dot guy. I'm an iron sight guy. However, let me explain myself. The internet knows me as a red dot hater. But I'm taking that video, and I'm going to draw one line through that red dot back to your face.
02:32:03 Speaker_03
And if it don't point exactly to your eye, you're shooting and not seeing shit. And every time I show this to somebody, they're like, so you're against red dots. No, you're never going to catch the red dock unless you get better technique.
02:32:16 Speaker_01
And you get better technique with iron sights.
02:32:19 Speaker_03
Well, no, you can have good technique with a red dot also if you had fucking good technique and someone showed it to you, but no one shows it to you. Right. The next thing with the red dot is the red dot is great for guys who don't see well.
02:32:32 Speaker_03
Because what happens is the red dot becomes in between you, your eye, and the target. Make sense, essentially? Right? So you'll be able to see that. But what no one tells you is it's harder to learn, harder to master.
02:32:48 Speaker_03
So you need it, but you need to train with it properly or it's not doing you any good. Why is it harder to learn?
02:32:53 Speaker_03
Few reasons, um, you know the if you look at pro shooters High-level pro shooters guys that are like fucking insanely fast winning, you know national IPSC champs Rob Rob Latham Dave Savigne you look at these guys what you'll see is like
02:33:12 Speaker_03
They're so much more efficient than anyone else, right? And they'll use a way bigger site.
02:33:19 Speaker_03
Like, I think the winningest site of all time in, like, gun games is, it's like the Seymour STS, but it's, like, more the size of a beer can than it is the little tactical site. So now when you shrink that thing down to a postage stamp,
02:33:35 Speaker_03
They put a coating on it so it doesn't fucking reflect or whatever, but you can't see through it well. And they curve the glass, which anyone who shoots rifle scopes will tell you fisheye is a fucking real thing.
02:33:47 Speaker_03
But this red dot has all these things going on and it's supposed to be better for a guy who don't see shit. And it just becomes harder to do. And then once you show them how to get it right, like they'll never have problems again.
02:34:00 Speaker_01
But it's all about showing them how to get it right. Right. Right.
02:34:03 Speaker_03
And then no one talks about that because they're stuck on you can't use the right eye or they never get past that.
02:34:08 Speaker_01
How important is it to teach people the right way the first time so they don't have to unlearn shit?
02:34:13 Speaker_03
Man.
02:34:15 Speaker_03
Everyone has a preconceived notion of what they think they should do whether you've shot before or not, and I'm gonna have to unfuck that No matter what no matter what so it's like, you know It's like kind of like in the dojo where it's like, okay I want you to do like 20 good 20 shitty arm bars and then we'll we'll get the hips better on the next 20 we'll tweak the hand on the next 20 will to and
02:34:40 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? Like, get some of them bulk movements down first, and then we keep fine-tuning.
02:34:46 Speaker_00
Fine-tuning.
02:34:47 Speaker_03
Yeah, so it doesn't matter. I mean, look, even if you learned how to punch from John Jones on your first day, you wouldn't go out and win a match that night.
02:34:56 Speaker_00
Right.
02:34:57 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? So I think it's like, I always, I tell people this all the time, 1% better a day. Just 1%, that's what I'm looking for today.
02:35:07 Speaker_03
If I can be 1% better today than I was yesterday, well that's 365% by the end of the year and I didn't do much every day. You know what I mean? So I always tell people like shooting or a skill like this is a marathon, not a sprint. Right.
02:35:22 Speaker_01
That's with everything, right? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so too.
02:35:25 Speaker_03
And I tell you, if you think you're going to have to pull a gun and save your family one day, you should be practicing a few times a week. It doesn't have to be much, but you should be practicing a little bit.
02:35:38 Speaker_03
Getting this gun out shouldn't be a shock to you when the time comes, because it's not going to come to you then.
02:35:42 Speaker_00
Right. Yeah, that's great advice.
02:35:44 Speaker_03
Yeah, do you enjoy teaching? I fucking love teaching I love helping people now that I'm doing jits again a lot of people want me to show them like fucking cars or guns and jits and guns and
02:35:58 Speaker_03
I don't know if I'm ready to take my sanity pastime and turn it into work. You know what I'm saying? So I play with guns now and a lot of guys have told me I need to be like, you know, like the car bailouts, like all this shit like I do.
02:36:15 Speaker_03
I'm afraid to ruin jujitsu as work. So I've been reluctant and I always tell people I'll never teach jiu-jitsu, but like I'll fucking teach anyone everything I mean if we can get better today, let's talk about it.
02:36:27 Speaker_01
One thing about teaching jiu-jitsu though is I think it makes you better at jiu-jitsu. I think it's selfish. It's like a good thing for you.
02:36:34 Speaker_03
Okay, you know this. You're a black belt, right? Every day you went to a dojo, you were trying to hand that black belt his ass. And then you get your black belt, and now everyone, every day, the rest of your life, is trying to hand you your ass.
02:36:49 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? It's a fucking thankless job.
02:36:51 Speaker_01
Of course. Yeah.
02:36:52 Speaker_03
No, I love that belt.
02:36:52 Speaker_01
There's no day where no one's trying to hand you your ass. Yeah. Fuck yeah, let's go. That's the beautiful thing about jujitsu, too. I know. You don't really, you don't catch any breaks.
02:37:00 Speaker_01
You might get one day where there's like, oh, there's only blue belts here.
02:37:04 Speaker_03
Love it when someone forces me into like real survival mode No, I'm not talking about like, you know, you got a triangle and I'm just gonna ride this I'm talking like someone like I'm like fucking I got to do something now.
02:37:19 Speaker_01
I fucking love that How are you avoiding injuries?
02:37:23 Speaker_03
Okay, so first and foremost I started out I don't even take Motrin I try to take no drugs after I got off the pills from the VA and started getting active and You know, I try not to take any medicines at all I went to master worlds and motherfuckers are yoked up fucking at the gear is out You know what?
02:37:43 Speaker_03
I mean? Like these motherfuckers are working out since last year just a fucking stroke of motherfucker today, right? so like I was a little unprepared this year for Worlds in that aspect, but I'm all for the peptides. I'm all for the TR.
02:37:58 Speaker_03
I'm not against any of it per se. And I think that's a… I did the peptides. I just… I don't like shots. Right. And I won't give myself a shot.
02:38:11 Speaker_00
You were talking about that on Sean Ryan's show.
02:38:12 Speaker_03
You don't like something piercing your skin. Yeah, I don't like that.
02:38:16 Speaker_01
I don't know why. It's so weird. I know. It's so weird. A guy who's been through everything that you've been through is like, needles, sketch me out.
02:38:23 Speaker_03
I mean, it doesn't hurt. I'm not a sissy about it, but it's like... Peptides are so easy though.
02:38:28 Speaker_01
I know. Well, I took the pills.
02:38:31 Speaker_03
I took the pill ones.
02:38:32 Speaker_01
PPC-157? Yeah.
02:38:32 Speaker_03
And I'll tell you, Super legit. Was it Gary Brekker that guy?
02:38:38 Speaker_01
Yeah.
02:38:38 Speaker_03
He talks about redheaded people. I'm a redheaded people. I got pale skin, you know.
02:38:43 Speaker_01
Redheaded people have better pain tolerance.
02:38:46 Speaker_03
Yeah. Well, I take drugs different.
02:38:48 Speaker_01
I think there's a thing about that though. Google that. Redheaded people have better pain tolerance.
02:38:53 Speaker_03
Hey, my whole life I've taken drugs differently. Like I don't get Percocet, I get Dilaudid.
02:38:59 Speaker_01
So I think like- Like when you got roofied. Like everybody else conked out.
02:39:04 Speaker_03
Yeah, I'm just in over party mode.
02:39:06 Speaker_01
You were also talking about on Sean's show that you have the thing that Jamie has where you can take a lot of edibles and you don't feel it. Oh, yeah, the weed gummies are fucking worse.
02:39:14 Speaker_01
Some studies have found that redheads have a lower pain threshold, but other studies have found the opposite. Oh, okay. So it's all fucked up. Inconclusive. Inconclusive.
02:39:26 Speaker_03
Yeah, but I will tell you this. It healed my stomach and my healing went from like a week or two to like
02:39:33 Speaker_01
Yeah, four days BBC 157 is very legit.
02:39:36 Speaker_03
Yeah, and so anyway, I want to do more in the future I'd like to I kind of want to do it all like I mean, I'm fucking I'm 54 man.
02:39:48 Speaker_01
Yeah What are you doing to avoid injuries?
02:39:50 Speaker_03
Okay, so besides that I do cardio a couple years ago my first elk hunt my first elk bow hunt and
02:39:58 Speaker_03
You know we ride up to like 9,000 feet and then like walked up three miles from there like yo I was 280 at one time that was a fucking hell of a walk for a big fat motherfucker up that fucking mountain and then I hunt with these old guys and then the two guys I was with like two of the guys have hearing aids and the other guns right huh from guns and
02:40:19 Speaker_03
I don't know just older Yeah, yeah, they're hunters right yeah So both of them got hearing aids and the front one looks back to the second one both good friends of mine Like and was like turn your hearing aids down so you ain't gotta hear and breathe so fucking loud I heard you motherfuck you like
02:40:39 Speaker_03
So I told myself like I was gonna start walking 30 minutes a day and that was fucking hard And then now I do like an hour cardio. I Could run but I don't but I started again. I need to be running a little bit for cardio.
02:40:55 Speaker_03
I Treat strength as two different things I spent about a year with 15-pound dumbbells, just like rehabbing motion, movement, joints. And it was a lot of fucking pain. And then, you know, now I'm getting stronger every day.
02:41:11 Speaker_03
I've been, you know, power athlete, big John. But I kind of look at strength two different ways. I try to do strength days where it's like the traditional squats, deads, like all the big ones, push-pulls, all of it, covered all.
02:41:25 Speaker_03
And then I see it as conditioning as something separate. Right and conditioning would be lighter weight like CrossFit like round right without without knowing how to say it better.
02:41:36 Speaker_00
Yeah.
02:41:37 Speaker_03
So but the steps fucking I'm going to tell you this I'll tell anybody this you want to fucking start losing weight. It starts at 10,000 fucking steps a day. Get your ass out there start fucking walking.
02:41:50 Speaker_03
And then the next thing I did is I went to a competition class by Sean's in Tennessee And I got a diet. I got workouts. I got an app. I tracked my diet I did right before worlds.
02:42:03 Speaker_03
I was at 170 grams of protein 1,800 calories a day Very strict about yeah, and I shredded weight. I cut I cut down. I was probably 240 I cut down to 222 and
02:42:17 Speaker_03
As the smallest human being in fucking 222 cuz everyone's yoked up like fucking madmen My coaches were like you know And I can't believe I even listen to this, but they're like man. It's the 55 bracket like it's guys like you This is their pastime.
02:42:34 Speaker_01
You know what I mean today is not the same.
02:42:36 Speaker_03
Yo these motherfuckers will cut This is fucking killer season out at this bitch. Yeah You know what I mean? Like I was unprepared for, man, I had this big Mongolian motherfucker. You know Edwin Jammy? You know Edwin?
02:42:48 Speaker_03
Edwin, Gracie Barra, Tarzana, California, right? Edwin's like a jujitsu legend. He's at Worlds. Who's your coach? I don't fucking have a coach. It's me and my backpack and a gi. Let's fucking get this fight going, bitch. And he's like, well, I'll coach you.
02:43:03 Speaker_03
And I'm like, well, okay. You know what I mean? I don't got a coach. And then like right before we walk out on the mat, he's like, yo ref, are they the same weight class? And I'm like, yo, my man, Ed, this is my coach right here.
02:43:14 Speaker_03
My man, like, you know what I mean? But like this dude was fucking huge. And he was one of them Mongolian jacket wrestlers. You've done this?
02:43:21 Speaker_01
Oh, I've seen that.
02:43:22 Speaker_03
I couldn't, I couldn't get the takedown. And then we went down on the ground. He hit me with a, like a fucking paper cutter, popped my head out, tried to choke me again. Fucking got out of it, but as I was getting up.
02:43:34 Speaker_03
I knew I needed to keep this guy in the ground But guess what man when you get in trouble guess what you do you stand the fuck up and this dude stand up?
02:43:41 Speaker_03
And I knew I wasn't getting my two points back, and then I was just fucking exhausted like I was fucking so excited to ramp up their conditioning I Yeah, fuck yeah, man. This year I'm fucking winning. I'm fucking world champion, Joe.
02:43:53 Speaker_03
I'm the toughest old motherfucker I fucking know. You know? God damn it, let's fucking go. I'm gonna figure this shit out. But I will tell you, I think what I didn't know is you gotta train to compete to compete well.
02:44:06 Speaker_03
Mm-hmm and I fucking fight and I want to fight and I want to get smashed and I want to fucking I want to almost lose this fight ten fucking times to finally get that fucking submission on you and That's a great fight to me and like yo, yeah.
02:44:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, you just lost 13 points on that And then if you don't get the submission, you just lost 13 points on that. You know what I mean? So it's a different animal.
02:44:28 Speaker_01
That's the interesting thing about treating it like the sport versus what you get out of it, what you like.
02:44:34 Speaker_03
And I'll tell you this is like, I probably could have changed the match if I would have pulled guard around three minutes in. Ain't never pulled guard in my fucking life like what kind of fucking asshole pulls fucking guard well.
02:44:48 Speaker_03
I figured it out I'll tell you what kind of asshole when you can't take a bigger motherfucker down Yeah, this is maybe what pulling guards for or in the real world walk the fuck away Yeah, before you fucking just get fucking smashed out here.
02:45:02 Speaker_03
You know what I mean thinking you're something you ain't
02:45:05 Speaker_03
Do you spend a lot of time practicing off your back because a lot of times big guys don't I'll start there fucking get my neck Let's go you can't take I will give you my back just to fucking get out. I don't give a fuck man.
02:45:16 Speaker_03
That's great I always like honestly when I when I'm like when I'm just at the dojo like Girls or smaller people right I try not to smash them right and I'll tell them like hey if I get on top just fucking sweep me right stay on top of me the whole time and
02:45:34 Speaker_03
And I just fucking let him go at me.
02:45:36 Speaker_01
Yeah, I would just pretend that I'm weak. When I would roll with someone who's weak, I would pretend I'm weak. I think that's the best way to do it. No strength. I'm never going to use strength.
02:45:47 Speaker_01
Hickson always said that defense was more important than anything. He said, I am always safe. No matter where I am, I am always safe. Defense.
02:45:56 Speaker_03
You're fucking a you're Hickson is great by the way you see the documentary I have not seen choke, but I just finished his new book the Dark one dark dark Hickson came out with a new book.
02:46:09 Speaker_03
I just Because he's got Parkinson's now yeah, but you know he's got the breathe book, but he just came out with a new one I just listened to it like last week You know what I mean?
02:46:18 Speaker_01
Yeah, but you gotta watch choke. I got to one of the greatest documentaries of all time I know I've heard for a martial artist. I've heard incredible.
02:46:25 Speaker_01
It's Hickson in his prime Competing in Japan Valley Tudor and just you see him training and doing his yoga and all the crazy breathing shit where his stomach sucks Yeah, yeah, I don't even know how to do that.
02:46:38 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah, he when he was testing me for my purple belt he was like Yes, um, yes. Yeah, when I lay on the ground, I am flat. He's like, when you lay on the ground, you are not flat. You should roll more.
02:46:56 Speaker_03
I'm like, I know you know enough English just to call me fucking fat, you know what I mean? But God damn it. You should roll more. Yeah, I should roll, yeah.
02:47:04 Speaker_03
And he's showing me like rolls from side control, getting out of stuff because I am more round than I am flat. And it's kind of like, you know, fat guys should roll more. It's hard to stop, you know what I mean?
02:47:15 Speaker_03
So he had, there's some real fucking wisdom in there. You know what I mean? But it's like, I always like how like they know enough English to assault you, but they'll say it like their way. You know what I mean? Yes.
02:47:25 Speaker_02
It's just being practical. Yeah. Yeah.
02:47:27 Speaker_03
No, it's just real talk.
02:47:28 Speaker_02
And that's what he does. Yeah. It's pretty cool getting your purple belt from that guy.
02:47:33 Speaker_03
I am the only person. So, okay. I had to do the paperwork. You know, there's other like big time Hickson black belts out there that kind of police up all everybody.
02:47:44 Speaker_03
So when you go to worlds or you fight, you know, like these guys and they told me they would, they'd get me under their paperwork. But literally I did the paperwork with IBJJF and I sent it to Hickson and he filled out the paperwork. But like,
02:47:57 Speaker_03
I didn't know, I sent him the paperwork and it's like one of them forms where you just sign it with your finger on your phone, like super easy.
02:48:03 Speaker_03
I sent it to Hicks and I was like, hey coach, we got a form, we got a sign, and he's not a member of any of these organizations anymore.
02:48:13 Speaker_03
Didn't know how this would go and they're like sent me a fucking paper copy and like have mr. Gracie sign this signature, right?
02:48:20 Speaker_03
So I text it to Hicks and I'm like a coach Can you sign my paperwork for worlds real quick and he texted me right back and he's like, hey champ I'm looking for a printer now as soon as I find one I'll sign this and I was just thinking I
02:48:34 Speaker_03
Fuck, I don't even know who's got a printer. I don't even have a printer in my fucking house. If Hickson's looking for a printer, I think he just told me no. You know what I mean? Like, fuck. And then a couple days later, he sent it back to me signed.
02:48:46 Speaker_03
I think probably his wife was like, oh, Hickson, yeah, look.
02:48:51 Speaker_03
I think he kind of didn't know but he got back to me and then they sent me I had to do this a few times and Then I was the only guy I'm the only belted guy fighting under Hickson in Masters right now.
02:49:04 Speaker_02
Yeah, that's pretty fucking cool.
02:49:06 Speaker_03
Yeah, and then I would say this for jiu-jitsu for me is like I I'm so glad it is where it is these days cuz back in the day. I mean think about this back in the day I travel all the time. I'm in a different dojo fucking weekly.
02:49:21 Speaker_03
You know I might be here for four days I try to get three days of Jets. I'm in fucking Waco. I'm going to fucking places I've been in 26 different dojos this year like doing back in the day.
02:49:31 Speaker_03
That was fucking Korean day You know what I mean fucking monsters and portraits
02:49:35 Speaker_03
Portuguese right because you don't have no loyalty you don't have no fucking and the reality is like yeah I'm just never home right I don't want to be unloyal to anybody I'm loyal to everybody but I just want to get rounds and I'm so glad the jiu-jitsu world it's so fucking welcoming these days meaning yeah like like I don't have to show up and fight right much more open-minded yeah they're happy to welcome people from other schools the only the only the only person that was like
02:50:04 Speaker_03
Why Are You Here was Cyborg at Fight Sports.
02:50:07 Speaker_01
Oh, really?
02:50:07 Speaker_03
Yeah, you know Cyborg? Yeah, sure.
02:50:09 Speaker_02
He's great.
02:50:10 Speaker_03
And you know Roosevelt? He's a fighting savage. You know Roosevelt, the tall guy that hangs out with him? I don't. Tallest black belt I ever seen. Tallest Brazilian I ever seen, right? So he's one of the black belts down there with Cyborg.
02:50:23 Speaker_03
And I'm out there, and I'm like, at the time, I was blue belt. You know what I mean? And I was probably, I don't know, 250. I was kind of fat. And like, Fight Sports is like, Old-school Brazilian jiu-jitsu where we're gonna shrimp across the mat.
02:50:38 Speaker_03
We do fucking all this I don't give a fuck if you lose in jiu-jitsu today, but you're gonna be tough, right? So it's that kind of shit and that's how Carlson Gracie's was.
02:50:46 Speaker_01
Yeah Yeah, you even got to the class you were fucking exhausted.
02:50:49 Speaker_03
Yeah, the class hasn't started yet, right? So I'm out on the mat. I'm breathing hard I'm just kind of doing my thing and Rose about the big tall black belt comes over and he was like Man, he's like, you are my inspiration. I'm like, I am, coach?
02:51:02 Speaker_03
I'm your inspiration? He's like, yes. He's like, you are out here. You are doing this, man. He was like, you are everyone's inspiration. And I'm looking around, and everyone's rolling. And then everyone stops, because he's talking to me.
02:51:18 Speaker_03
You know what I mean? And now everyone's looking at me, and I'm like, what in the fuck is going on, right? So he was like you are here you were doing this you were old you were my inspiration and I'm like Thanks coach.
02:51:33 Speaker_03
I was like and then like I didn't need a break, but I was like fuck after that talk Maybe I do need a break. So I was like, maybe I do need a break coach, you know, and he was like, okay fix your key So I fixed my gear time my belt.
02:51:44 Speaker_03
He's like run laps around the practice until you're ready to practice again. I It was like, man, that's fucking worse. I wasn't, I didn't even need the fucking break. And he gave me the old speech. So I agreed. And then, and then I had to run.
02:51:56 Speaker_03
I thought that was more embarrassing running laps around everybody. Right. But like, like when he said he wanted to give me a break, like the fucking. Brakes is like screech to a hall everybody was like did he just say like does that guy?
02:52:09 Speaker_03
What the fuck does that guy get a break?
02:52:11 Speaker_02
You know what I mean?
02:52:13 Speaker_03
Yeah, and yeah, and then hidden cyborg came up to me and They didn't I didn't have a gi yet. I hadn't bought a gi and I hadn't found a gi that fit me so Had I just bought a gi but only had a white belt, right?
02:52:26 Speaker_03
Oh, I got the gi at Gracie Raleigh my home dojo, right? And then they only had a white belt. So I had a white belt size white belt in it But really I was a blue belt. So and when it came to rolling cyborg is like, who are you man?
02:52:40 Speaker_03
I'm like coach and he's like, who are you man? Who are you? Oh Like a spy yeah, he's like why are you here?
02:52:46 Speaker_03
And I'm like I just I just well my brother lives here coach And I called ahead of time and I asked if I could come do jiu-jitsu I'm just trying to get a couple days while I'm on the road. He's like man. You are no white belt. Who are you?
02:52:59 Speaker_03
What are you doing here? And I was like well I'm actually a blue belt coach, and he was like why didn't you then they got a wall of like old belts Which is like the coolest thing I ever fucking seen like I'm I'm
02:53:10 Speaker_03
100 just old different all kinds of belts. It's fucking cool as fuck my opinion, but he was like Why didn't you get one off the extra belts? And I was like, well, you didn't have one coach and he let he thinks for a second He was like you are right.
02:53:22 Speaker_03
There's not one your size on the wall and I was like, holy fuck There's a ton of belts there for him to even know that
02:53:29 Speaker_03
Because I went through all of them and couldn't fit one, you know, and he was like, okay So he was just concerned you were sandbagging or trying to get it.
02:53:36 Speaker_01
Yeah, I don't know.
02:53:37 Speaker_03
Yeah But they were great with me like shout out to cyborg and Roosevelt hard dudes. Yeah, they're fucking they're hard down there Yeah, but I've been in 26, I think 26 dojos this year.
02:53:50 Speaker_01
That's wild.
02:53:51 Speaker_03
And then so you're all in I I'm all in man.
02:53:53 Speaker_03
I'm in I'm in all the time and in like so one of the things is like I can only go to Hickson to get promoted because I'm never in one doll dojo long enough to like earn a stripe or earn So I think it's like I don't know.
02:54:09 Speaker_03
I feel like I'm fortunate of where I am. You know what I mean? And then Honestly, the reason I went to Hickson is because I could yeah, and I figured if if I need to be tested for a belt I Yeah, like who else should test me?
02:54:23 Speaker_01
You know what I mean? When you get your black belt, you get a black belt from Hickson. It's like there's very few black belts that hold that kind of weight. Yeah, there's like Henzo Hickson. Yeah. Jean-Jacques Machado.
02:54:33 Speaker_01
There's a few of those like old school legendary belts. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Megaton Diaz. It's like a few of those legendary old school belts, you know, Pedro Sauer. Yeah, fucking Heegan. Yeah, Heegan. Yeah. Yeah. I love Heegan. I know. I love.
02:54:49 Speaker_01
I actually was Higin's corner guy when he was in Abu Dhabi in 2003. You were? I was yelling his time out. Yeah, because I was there with Eddie Bravo. Oh yeah, that's right. You know, we all trained at the Machado, so I know Higin.
02:55:01 Speaker_01
And then Higin's like, my friend, do the time for me. And so like, he was like, he was kind of out of shape, but he's still fucking people up. But he wanted to know, like, tell me when there's like a minute to go so I can really fucking hit the gas.
02:55:13 Speaker_01
Like, I wanna coast for a little bit and then decide when to go.
02:55:17 Speaker_03
Yeah, I love, I call it like, I call it fat guy jujitsu, and I think people are shocked when I say that term, but really it's like the, I don't know, the Dan or Her ageless stuff. There's stuff that bigger guys, leth athletic,
02:55:34 Speaker_03
are gonna have to do because they can't do a flying whatever they can't you know what I mean and like I Love his smash game and I so I was at a I went to the Machado camp. It was him Roger Carlos and John John Machado, I love that guy too.
02:55:50 Speaker_03
You know John sure he carries he carries condom holsters. Nice. Yeah, he's great, man but I went to their summer camp and I was like, hey, can I get a picture and like he's sitting on the couch and Carlos is like you know, typical Bigger Brother shit.
02:56:04 Speaker_03
Get the fuck up, you're lazy, kind of dogging him. So I was like, you don't have to get up, coach. So I sat on his lap, and he was like, what the fuck?
02:56:13 Speaker_02
That's hilarious.
02:56:16 Speaker_03
Yeah, I went to a Machado camp this year. I spent a lot of time with Rafael Lovato. I love that dude. That guy's a fucking legend.
02:56:23 Speaker_02
Yeah, he is.
02:56:25 Speaker_03
I got invited to Felipe Acosta's kind of an affiliate training with Rafael. Shout out to Rafael. He's fucking amazing. Every one of his black belts gave me time. And then Felipe Acosta, just fucking next level, man. And it gives me hope as an old guy.
02:56:45 Speaker_03
I know I'm 55, and I know I want to win the fucking 55-year-old bracket. But why the fuck do I need to be in the 55-year-old bracket? You know what I mean? If my jujitsu is good enough, I should be able to fight anyone, right?
02:56:58 Speaker_03
And that's what gives me hope of fucking carrying on that one day, like, because, you know, all I do is fight these young guys. And yeah, sure, they beat me right now, but like... You know, how many times did Helio get crushed? Right.
02:57:11 Speaker_03
You know what I'm saying? So like, it's the beauty of jujitsu is the age should be fucking the least in this equation. You know what I mean? So that's kind of where I stand.
02:57:21 Speaker_03
And I'll tell you, man, anytime someone can fucking put it to me where I'm about to go down, I couldn't be fucking happier, man. I had this black belt the other day.
02:57:30 Speaker_03
Out of nowhere just fucking smash me and like and then he lets and I tap he lets me up And I just got the biggest smile on my face, and he was like Looking at me, and I was like that was fucking amazing coach I was like you ain't never smashed me like that right, and he he just kind of looking at me I just fucking tackled him again Fucking went right back to smashing me.
02:57:53 Speaker_03
You know what I mean like
02:57:55 Speaker_01
I just love it, man. Yeah attitude for learning. Yeah, no better.
02:57:59 Speaker_03
Well, I as a human being I need to learn something every day I think you're the same way in a lot of ways like I don't care what it is good for you Yeah, I do too.
02:58:07 Speaker_03
I think it keeps your brain healthy 100% I think it keeps Alzheimer fucking all that bullshit away.
02:58:13 Speaker_01
Yeah, I think that's why people get old It's one of the reasons other than your body failing is your mind gets old. Yeah, you're not stimulating it Yeah, for real, right? John, this is a fucking awesome conversation. I really appreciate it.
02:58:25 Speaker_01
I had a great time. And I can't wait to read your book.
02:58:28 Speaker_03
So, okay. I'm going to get some rounds in the future when you're healthy?
02:58:32 Speaker_01
Yes. I'd love to do that. I'd love to get some rounds with you.
02:58:35 Speaker_03
Yeah, for sure. I definitely want to come back. I killed Tony last night. Fucking amazing. That's like bucket list for me.
02:58:41 Speaker_01
You can come to the club anytime you want.
02:58:43 Speaker_03
Man, I couldn't thank you enough. Like, I know I came here yesterday. Not a big deal to me, right? Because, like, yo, I got killed Tony out of this deal. Like, last night was fucking funny, man. This guy told a joke last night.
02:58:56 Speaker_03
The funniest fucking joke I think I ever heard in my life. I don't know if I could say it or not.
02:59:02 Speaker_02
Which guy? What did he look like?
02:59:04 Speaker_03
There was a guy, just kind of a shorter guy, a white guy, beard, and he just read jokes. He just said, like, random jokes.
02:59:12 Speaker_01
Oh, was one of the bucket pulls?
02:59:14 Speaker_03
Yeah, as a bucket pull guy. And then, like, he said this joke. You want to hear it? Sure. Okay. This is the fucking funniest thing I heard in a long time. Why don't police have turtles as pets?
02:59:28 Speaker_00
Why?
02:59:29 Speaker_03
Because you can't kneel on their neck. I was like, oh my fucking God, like next level right there.
02:59:41 Speaker_01
Well listen brother, anytime you want to come to the club, more than welcome. Thank you very much for being here. It was a great conversation. I really enjoyed it. Thanks for all the swag. Thanks for letting me hold the evil hat.
02:59:50 Speaker_03
Yeah, yeah. Well, I got to put it back in its box.
02:59:53 Speaker_01
If people want to find you online, sheriffofbagdad.com.
02:59:56 Speaker_03
Sheriff of Baghdad, SOB Tactical, either one will get you to me. You type in Sheriff of Baghdad and a ton of shit of me pops up.
03:00:05 Speaker_01
And someone, whoever the publisher is, pop on it. Hit me up. I'm sure that book's insane. All right.
03:00:12 Speaker_00
Thank you very much, brother.
03:00:13 Speaker_01
Appreciate you. All right. Bye, everybody.