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Episode: #2233 - Scott Storch

Author: Joe Rogan
Duration: 02:06:33

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Scott Storch is a multi-platinum, Grammy Award-winning record producer, songwriter, and entrepreneur, with over 50 billion streams and more than 100 million records sold worldwide. His new single "On My Own" featuring Abbie Stair is out now.

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In this episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Scott Storch discusses his journey in the music industry, marked by early inspirations and a self-taught approach to music production. He reflects on his experiences with The Roots, highlights the importance of passion over conventional success, and shares insights on his creative process. Storch addresses his struggles with substance abuse and the importance of sobriety, while also emphasizing health and diet changes. The conversation shifts to his collaboration with artists like Dr. Dre and Eminem, his personal evolution regarding wealth and relationships, and the dynamics of the modern music industry.

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Those are the three I probably most iconic So, what do you what are the we're rolling now? So tell me what's like the most iconic beats you've created. Oh, we're already rolling We're rolling.

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Hey, fuck it. Hey, how you doing? Hey, I mean look I've got I Not hundreds, but thousands of songs? Thousands, for sure. Thousands of songs. I'm told most often that most iconic or identifiable one is obviously still Dre.

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We got... Give me a little of that real quick. Let's see. Now if you watch my fingers while I'm playing that if I was just like a fucking sterile like just basic motherfucker I'd be playing But I wanted to do it like Sloppy. Right.

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Like that perfect imperfection. Right. Like you don't want, sometimes you want a nice sloppy booty or a nice monkey. You know what I'm saying? You don't want things always like perfect, picture perfect. Right.

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You like a little grit on your hardwood floor. Yeah. Yeah, no.

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That's where, you know, that perfect imperfection.

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How did you get started? Huh? How did you get started making beats?

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Like what started you in music? What started me in music? Okay. All the way back? All the way back. All the way back.

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listening to Ozzy Osbourne and Cheap Trick in the mirror with a tennis racket, thinking, wow, I could probably get some girls to like me if I knew how to fucking play this shit.

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And then my parents had an upright piano in the house, and it was a piece of furniture. And I had a cassette deck. At that time, it was all about cassettes. I had a little baby cassette thing.

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I put it on the piano bench and figure out how to play all my favorite songs.

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just just self-taught yeah and you know I ended up taking three or four lessons and the guy was like you should just teach yourself really yeah like and my family didn't we didn't have no money like and my mom to get to the piano lesson all that shit was just I did my thing and like it's at a point where

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My mom and dad were like, can you go outside and play with the kids? I'm tired of hearing this shit. No, no, no, no, no, no. And then that evolved into, I moved with my father. My parents had divorced. My dad was a court reporter, stenographer.

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And we moved from, I was born in New York, as an infant moved to Florida. But when I was 15, just turning 15, I moved to Philly with my dad. And I was really getting into music. I was experiencing hip hop now in my head. What year was this?

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I don't even know what year it was. How old are you now?

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I'm 50. Okay, seven years different than me, so yeah, okay.

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I'm real horrible with the years, but we're talking early 90s.

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Yeah.

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Extremely early. The beginning of the big hip hop boom out of New York. Yeah, and when I first found a love for hip hop, It was... this music that they were sampling all these cool Fender Rhodes sounds, like say Tribe Called Quest.

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That's not one of mine, but it was that like, relax yourself, girl. That native tongue, the De La Soul, all that type of shit was heavy, and I was like, wow, the music is really great in this. It was different than like,

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I mean, I loved NWA and I loved like, but that was like hardcore shit. And then like this musical guru and jazz and all this shit was coming around. So I got into that and I couldn't really afford a keyboard. I'm living in Philly.

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My dad was like, I was cutting school and going into the city from the burbs to like getting the music scene at this young age. And it was like, yo, go back to school and start that shit or get the fuck out.

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He's trying to do me a favor with tough love, but I decided to get the fuck out at 15. And now I'm like couch hopping at homies and that led to moving into the fucking hood.

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in West Philly with this guy who was an aspiring manager that was a videographer that I met at my dad's court reporting firm. And kind of like halfway against my dad's will, he took me in and we started hitting the pavement, man.

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And I joined the Roots. They were called the Square Roots at that time. You know, the band on Jimmy Chow, Questlove, et cetera, et cetera. I didn't have much money and I bought what they call a Fender Rhodes.

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This is like big keyboard, which is, they're very expensive now cause it's a vintage, but at that time I could get that for like 200 bucks. And I got the keyboard, had a couple of broken notes on it and shit. And I just made my sound with that.

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And it was just like this soulful, um, this thing, you know what I mean? And, um, joined the roots and now I'm a band member.

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you know, simultaneously I'm doing construction in Philly for a friend of mine who has like these like shell houses that I got to live in one for a while and I got my first place. I'm like living in this thing.

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He lived across the street in kind of a nice one. This is like super horrible neighborhood but he's got almost like the whole block and like there's construction site on the first floor. I had to walk up and this was like semi-finished one

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no electricity but he ran a cord across the street and a power strip for my electricity I ran everything on that one power strip like I had a fucking a space heater like this because it was freezing cold I had like a keyboard set up like so I could

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doing my thing and that was just, I made my existence and if I had never made it, I was like, man, I'll just play at bar mitzvahs and weddings and fucking call it a day. But I'd rather do that than be a court reporter or some other shit.

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And school wasn't for me. Couldn't focus on anything but the music.

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It always bums me out that there's so many people out there like that, that do have, they have intelligence and ability, but the system just wants them to plug into normal jobs. You don't realize like, hey, there's other jobs out there.

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There's other things that you can do. It's not conventional. The path's not clear, you know, but you want to get into music. You really fucking love music. Get into music.

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Yeah, get into music and nobody tells you that nobody tells you and they don't tell you like Find your niche within music.

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Yeah, maybe you can do the actual music what you can become a promoter or you can become there's so many different fields within music that you write if you're an expert if you have no talent and you have no business being in music at least be honest with yourself because we know if we're good or not like right, you know, I

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But what makes talent? What do you think it is?

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Passion. It's no talent. Passion. Yeah, if you're a passionate person and you love something so much, you're going to end up being good at it, I think.

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It makes sense.

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If you're doing it to get money or something else, it's like, it's questionable. Or you just want to be cool because you like music.

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But if you're so passionate about this shit that you're showing results and you're growing and you're seeing that, and you watch people's reactions, I still do to this day. I'm in the studio, I'm playing some shit.

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I have this weird thing where I start receiving satellite, and I'm playing, and I don't even know what the hell I'm playing. Receiving satellite, so like the muse. I swear to God. I'm not even there anymore.

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I'm just like, all of a sudden, I'm just doing this thing. I've been doing it for 30 years, and I watch the room, and I'm like, oh, they like it.

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like this one. Okay, let's use this. You know what I mean? That's how I know if I'm moving people.

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Receiving satellite is a great way to put it. Yeah, cuz that's what it feels like I always say that like there's sometimes I write things I'm like, I didn't really write that blacked out. Yeah, that's that came from somewhere.

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I didn't have any effort involved in this It just came to me like a gift from the gods.

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Yeah, it's That's why they always call it the muse, you know, because the people that were you know, like Shakespeare and those people They really did kind of feel like it was being given to them Yeah We all do though, right?

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But doesn't everybody kind of say that when they're being honest? Like anybody who writes anything, whether they write literature, whether they write music, comedy, whatever.

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It flows through you. Yes. If you have to work for it, it's contrived sort of like, I feel it somewhat. Like if something doesn't come Push myself.

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Yes, because there's technical stuff that you have to but that initial light bulb that goes off and Yeah downloading satellite and it's the thing about it is it's it's so Hard to control. It's just it's it comes it goes. It's there.

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It's not what's that water you're drinking? What is this curse?

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You know what this bag water? I'm gonna tell you what it is. I get like I

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Inflammation like I'm playing piano whatever like I sometimes get like a little bit like okay, and this is like hydrogen water Okay, and I fuck with a friend of mine my boy Adam like he's like listen.

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I think you should try my water He's investing all kinds of things, and he's just he's been my best one of my best friends my whole life's guy Adam Linder It's fuck cool guy I've been down and out and fucking do take in and you know we're both from sugarness, but you know he has this fucking water and I

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Him and, randomly enough, my boy who's a big songwriter, Pooh Bear, they're giving a go at this water thing. But I like it. It's H-factor water, dude. Yeah, I've heard of that stuff. It's really good.

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So, when you say you're getting inflammation in your hands, like carpal tunnel type?

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Yeah, kind of like that. Sometimes if it's cold and my hands are freezing or something, I can't really go in.

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Do you ever use CBD? Huh? Do you ever use CBD or turmeric?

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I do that type of stuff. I do like the little shots. Yeah, you should do that all the time.

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Raw ginger.

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There's a place in L.A. that I like. I don't have it in Miami. I'm real tight with, I don't know if you know Rick Solomon. He owns this thing Sun Life. They have great shit there. So I do that.

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Oh, the Sun Life place in California.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Oh, I do.

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Yeah. Rick is fucking, he's been an inspiration to me. You know, everybody knows my story. And, you know, I look up to him because he was able to walk away from drugs very easily and stay there. For me, I have a hard time with it. I still struggle.

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And like, it's not drugs. It's To put it bluntly, it's pussy and drugs together, okay?

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It's a hell of a combination, and drug sex and all that shit, and like, you know, you get caught up in that wave, and like, it starts glamorously in your career of doing drugs, and it's just a fucking, it just turns into something real ugly, so.

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So he walked away from me for a while, he was like, bro, you're fucking up again, da-da-da-da, but. I'm in a great place now, man. I got good people around me. I smoke and, you know, I make my music and I chill these days, man. That's great.

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I've graduated. I was trying to tell you about your hands. Like if you're getting inflammation and you're taking hydrogen water, like hydrogen water would be great.

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But if you really want to cut it down, what we were talking about earlier is the way to cut it down. Stop eating things that give you inflammation. That's the big one. That'll change everything.

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Yeah.

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Cut out all the sugar in the bread and you'll be amazed at how well you feel.

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Bread. I'm not really like a sugar guy. Some people eat sweets and shit. Me, I'll go. Lately, because I'm trying to lose a lot of weight, I've been eating fruit constantly. Fruit's great. And I feel so much better.

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I drink water until I'm blue in the face and I'm not hydrated. Eat fruits and shit like that. It's like I feel like it just sticks to your organs and like Just well, there's a lot a lot of watermelon Watermelon's fantastic.

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I love watermelon and apples. Do you take any sort of?

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Electrolytes, do you I do I do I mean regularly I Mmm, I'm shader aid, but I'm just trying to help you.

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Yeah Gatorade, but there's this other stuff I don't even know what it's called, but it's like a powder It's like supposed to be less like that man, and you just put it in the water It's like an accelerator of the hydration like liquid IV or something like that.

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Yeah, I don't even know There's a bunch of those that are really good

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But yeah, that's you know, you could you could take care of that like obviously your fingers are still working But if you're starting to feel like real discomfort, there's some things you could do CBD is a big one CBD helps so much my friend Dave Foley He had arthritis to the point where his hands were like totally curl couldn't straighten his hands out He started taking CBD and it all went away.

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That's crazy. Yeah the benefits of And it's incredible. It really is incredible. The diet is a big one too.

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I think I'm getting my fair share of CBD and THC. From the wheat. Not from the flour, but I like edibles, but not like desolate. I know what you're saying. I'm into rosin edibles.

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The difference is the CBD, you can isolate just the CBD, and they can make it in much higher concentrates. Oh, really? Yeah, like, I love this shit. When I have muscle soreness, this is CBD. No affiliation. CBDMD has this product called Freeze.

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It's 3,000 milligrams CBD. It's a roll-on. It's a roll-on. So if you have, like, sore muscles, yeah. It's fucking great. I love it. But they have great Gummies and oils and CBD is fantastic. Anytime you can eliminate inflammation in your life.

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That's good Yeah, whether it's your personal life or your body just eliminate all so many people tell me this wave of like sea moss sea moss Yeah, like people like there's the benefits of are you hearing about sea moss?

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You're hearing about people eating it I

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Yeah, I don't know. I haven't tried it, but I'm a big believer in ribeyes.

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Yeah, ribeye. Medium rare.

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I love that. Butterflied with a char. Yeah, I'm not really into your sea moss. No, I've never tried the shit, but everybody's like, you should do sea moss. Most of that shit is starvation food. Really? Yeah, people eat it when they couldn't find fish.

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If you could find fish, you ate a fucking fish. Why would you eat that stupid moss? I think that's what most vegetables are. Most vegetables are starvation food. Yeah.

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I fuck with salads. I actually enjoy salads, but I'm going to put dressing on it and shit and destroy it. Right. Some ranch. A little Caesar rind. Extra pepper.

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I just like oil and vinegar. Olive oil and vinegar is all I like on salads. But I like salads. I eat salads.

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Like I'm not like religious about it But I just I know that when I'm only eating like meat and steak and eggs and I feel way better It's just like everything feels like it's in tune. My brain works better.

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My body feels more relaxed It's it's a tangible thing when I eat a lot of bullshit. I feel it dude.

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I met these coming from like being a fucking the middle-of-nowhere kid like not a rich kid not part of like a some socialite type shit. I came up to a certain level of people that was pretty insane, like Russian multi-billionaires.

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What is that like, hanging around with those cats? That's fucking bizarre.

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That must be weird, because they'll get you killed.

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Right? It could happen, yeah. But I'm hanging out with this one guy who was probably one of the richest men in the world, and we're eating borscht. He's like, scotty. You should eat soup every day. It's good. I know what I'm telling you. I'm like, okay.

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I eat a lot of soup. Soup's good. Soup is basically vegetable juice. You're saying like the hot broth and shit like that is just super good for you to live longer.

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Bro, I used to live in Los Angeles. I used to go to Jerry's Famous Deli and get their chicken noodle soup. They had the best. Oh my God, their chicken noodle soup.

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No chives though, I tell them. Do they put chives in it normally? Jerry's does, yeah. But I like... Not a chives guy? I like dill. Dill? Dill, yeah. I got like...

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Russian nanny and different things like that that work for me and they put that fresh dill in oh my god And that just changes everything that's like that's like mom I never made a good like you think about how cold Russia is of course they make a good soup Yeah, anywhere that's cold is gonna make a good soup.

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Yeah, you don't hear like soup from Texas. No right you're chilly Yeah, I hear soup. I hear about their soup. Queso. Queso?

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That's kind of soup. I had the butternut squash soup where you put me at last night at the Four Seasons. That's just not my kind of soup. It was good, but it's just not my favorite.

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It's basically vegetable juice.

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That's where you're drinking hot vegetable juice, but of course it's good for you. It's like table cream, all of it. Right.

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Oh, that kind of stuff where they make the white swirls on top like it's a latte? Yeah. Fancy.

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Very fancy, Scott. So yeah music we started like talking about how My music career of all popped up Mike, huh? So earlier we were talking about where did it start and I went all the way back so now

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I'm hanging with this guy Richard, the videographer I was saying, that I met in my dad's office. He took me in, started making an attempt to professionalize myself as a musician, joined The Roots, we got a record deal. I loved it.

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I was now a very lucky guy to be involved in something cool, but I was bringing something real major to the table within the group. And I just felt like, after a while, I wasn't appreciated.

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And that I was just going to be remembered as the guy who played keys for The Roots. And I wanted more than that. I left the group for a multitude of reasons. Some I usually don't talk about, but like I, you know, boo-hoo, I felt some reverse racism.

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I know that people have dealt with shit, like fucked up shit, but I was just like kind of mortified once I'm on a stage.

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Just remember I'm performing with the roots at in New York This event called the black lily and playing the keyboards backing everybody up and this and that and somebody was rapping Pointed me the white devil something else just like No, no, it was fucked up shit, bro, it really hurt me because I'm like, I don't see color I don't see any of that shit.

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I'm the most Like, just coolest motherfucker in that aspect. Like, to me, racism bothers me. But it was like, you know, my family now were not representing for me, and I let that happen.

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And it just combined with- So someone on the stage had that?

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Yes, one of the rappers. I'm not gonna say names, but just- God damn. Shit was just like, how is this happening right now? God damn. And, you know, I felt like all the credit

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and for all the like big melodies and stuff that I was creating for the group was just being swept under the rug and like I said, I got to leave this group. And I'm dating this girl at the time who was like, urging me not to.

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She's saying, you're going to be the Pete Best of the Roots. You know who Pete Best is? Yeah, the Beatle. He left the Beatles. Yeah. So she was like, you're going to be the Pete Best of the Roots. I was like, that's cool. She actually dumped me.

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And I continued on my journey. journey attempting to be a music producer and not join bands. And I met this guy through the whole process of being in The Roots. His name was Derek Jackson.

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And he and I, he embraced me into, you know, you're so talented, like, let's give it a go.

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And we would take these trips from Philly to New York and just go to every A&R, every fucking label, trying, people that contacts that, this guy Derek had in New York, he was from New York.

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You know like he would just use them and then The first week we were doing that we got a couple of bites and one was my first client was Busta Rhymes Wow who's I'll never forget it Busta like believe me.

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He's like alright, and I went to the studio We made a record one shot one kill, baby. That's how it is like you get one shot You know it's not like and we made blood out which was a on his album anarchy and

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We also got that same week, maybe three days later, Capone and Noriega and CNN, the album. Norie's got his whole world in podcasts now. So he's proud of that guy. Great guy. But yeah, they believed in me. And the day I went in, I'll never forget it.

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Capone, whose partner, was coming home from jail that day. and the theme of the day was I guess he got him some girls and like like on the way to the studio to come work and now he's like All day he kept saying, it's nothing.

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It's nothing to come home from jail with these girls in your limousine and come work with me and Scotty and this and that. It was just an amazing day. We made music. We made like three. And then I was off to the races, man. I was making music. Wow.

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And a whole bunch of cool stuff in between there. And then still ain't make no money, but I'm now like doing shit.

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Isn't it funny that that fear of like the the Pete Best type thing That's such a real thing in the beginning You don't have any idea what your future is gonna be like did I like I would see shit on yeah Like they're appearing here.

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They're doing this and that'd be like a fog, but what did I do right? I hold in there and then I'm always, a lot of people say this, but I'm a fucking very harmonious person. I always do good for everybody.

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I never like, you can accuse me of being a lot of things, but being an asshole, I'm not. So when I was in my first trip to LA, all right, I went to LA to perform, and I did this open mic at the Martini Lounge.

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It was my first time ever going to California, and it was a Roots event. I wasn't in the group anymore, but whatever I had to do, I was gonna make a few hundred bucks to go play background on this thing.

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It wasn't the Roots, it was an open mic with random people coming and this and that. So I did this thing. And who do I see come up to me but a chick I knew from Philly. And she was like, Storage, what up?

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She's like, you're not going to believe this, but I signed a record deal with Dr. Dre in Aftermath. And I was like, wow, that's crazy. So she's like, I'm gonna hook you up with Dre.

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You were always fucking good to me in Philly and you never tried to smash. You let me go in the studio and we did cool stuff together. And it was a platonic thing. She was my homegirl. And sure enough, I go and I meet up with Dre.

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I'm waiting for him to come out. I'm in the lobby, nervous as hell. I don't have anything to play for him. I have my fingers, that's about it. And I go into a room and he sits me down. He's like, I heard you good at them keys.

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I start playing for him and this and that. He's real quiet and just like listening. I'm like, ah, nothing's coming from this. I'm going to go home sad today. He leaves the room. I'm still sitting in there.

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I'm like, I don't know if I should be just leaving or I'm supposed to stay in here. And this dude, Larry Chapman is like, one of his like head dudes comes back in. Dre wants you to stay here for a long time.

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He's gonna get you a hotel and here's some money. It was like. Really? Okay. And Dre wants you to stay here for a long time. Yeah, he was just like, let me know if Dre wants you here, man.

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Like, you can stay, because I was going to get on a plane back to Philly that night. And I remember I went back to the hotel, I got all my shit, and now I'm being switched to, like, a fancy hotel. And I'm, like, chilling, and I got some money.

00:26:48 Speaker_02
I went and rented a fucking 5 Series BMW. And I was like, wow, I am in L.A. for the first time. I have money, I just met Dre, I'm about to make a fucking album with Dr. Dre. The next day I go, I go to the studio, I meet up with Dre.

00:27:04 Speaker_02
And he's telling me all kinds of cool shit, man. He accepted me into his world. It was surreal, bro. It's a movie scene. It was surreal. Drake wants you to stay for a long time. He was telling me, I got this rapper that is really talented.

00:27:22 Speaker_02
I believe in him. He's a white boy and this and that. And in walks Eminem. And he let me finish up some record that he was doing with him. It was one of Em's first releases at Just the Two of Us, you know what I'm talking about?

00:27:36 Speaker_02
And I played a little Keys on that. The next day, me and Dre went in to work on his project, and we made Big Egos, which made it to, that's like that one shot, one kill thing. That first day worked out. It led to me being

00:27:52 Speaker_02
along Dre's side and in his camp for a very long time.

00:27:57 Speaker_03
But there's just a handful of dudes like you out there in the world that I call a musical magician. There's people that people call upon. You gotta get Storch.

00:28:09 Speaker_02
I'm a producer producer.

00:28:10 Speaker_03
Right, but what is that? What separates you from other musicians that makes you this savant? Do you think about it, or would that take away the magic?

00:28:20 Speaker_02
Bro, I can barely tie my shoelaces. Right, but you know how to bang out some beats. I got this shit. I was telling you about that Russian oligarch, okay? He looked at me one time, and he says, Scotty, you're not playing this keyboard.

00:28:34 Speaker_02
You're fucking the piano. I don't know what you're doing. I'm not an educated guy, but I have rhythm. on some different shit, like Bob James, your boys, the Black Tees. Love those guys.

00:28:52 Speaker_02
Look, not to jump around too much, but working with them was the first time I feel like I did anything good. I can't explain it. I have all these hits, like The Candy Shop, do this, that, Beyonce, every single thing. I feel like the first time I really

00:29:09 Speaker_02
got into it on some real touch the culture real shit not what's People like trap music and dumb shit like that. This is like the real as it gets. And I got to use these vintage keyboards.

00:29:24 Speaker_02
I'm playing shit with a wah-wah pedal on a keyboard and going crazy. If you look at my Instagram sometimes, you'll see some of the shit that I'm doing. Their studio- I do, I watch it all the time. Their studio is insane, man.

00:29:36 Speaker_02
Those toys, I was really tapping in.

00:29:39 Speaker_01
Really?

00:29:40 Speaker_02
Yeah, it was so much fun.

00:29:42 Speaker_03
I just love those two guys. And they're so fucking talented, man. We saw them out here at Stubbs. Yeah. Fuck, it was so fun, man. Yeah, man. Something about Nashville is a great place to make music, man.

00:29:55 Speaker_03
Well, think about how much great music has come out of there, and then the memory of that shit is burned into the city. I believe in that. I believe that places have memory. You know, I really do. Yeah, you feel it. I think there's an element.

00:30:09 Speaker_03
I mean, it's not everything about a place, but I think places have memory. You know, I think that a place like Nashville, I mean, and also it's small enough because it's kind of a tight community. Everybody kind of knows everybody.

00:30:23 Speaker_03
There's so many musicians there. Kid Rock's there.

00:30:26 Speaker_02
Black Keys is there.

00:30:27 Speaker_03
Yeah, Kid Rock. He told me he met you. Yeah, I ran into him at the UFC. Kid Rock's my favorite fucking thing of all time is going to his giant track of land in Nashville and seeing his fucking White House.

00:30:40 Speaker_02
Yeah, like with the rotating dining room and the fucking crazy He's out of his mind. He did well, man.

00:30:47 Speaker_02
Yeah, he was one of I know I met him I met him he used to come up to the studio when we were making the chronic album, which right I think it was like it was like visiting I think with

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Lot with Eminem doing some other stuff, but he was he was there quite a bit Cool guy man.

00:31:06 Speaker_03
Yeah, he's always at the UFC with Trump. It's Larry cuz Trump comes into American badass The crowd goes nuts when they know he's there and then kid rocks behind him.

00:31:13 Speaker_02
It's like the Republican Avengers, dude I performed at Mar-a-Lago not long. No way. Yeah, I jammed out.

00:31:19 Speaker_03
I did a blacks for Trump Thing and I could it was cool man. Jeff Dye was telling me he's done stand-up at Mar-a-Lago. How crazy is that? Oh

00:31:29 Speaker_02
Yeah, he's a genius. He got a sick operation over that. Mar-a-Lago is insane, bro.

00:31:37 Speaker_03
I need to check it out. We do this podcast called Protect Our Parks with Shane Gillis, Ari Shaffir, and Mark Normans. It's a crazy podcast. We get hammered.

00:31:46 Speaker_03
drink a beer out of like this giant freedom bong it's like an eagle's asshole you're drinking the beer out of and we we talked about doing one from mar-a-lago we might do that still that's cool i'm supposed to go there i think i'll go there for us uh on the 13th they're doing some kind of event like uh

00:32:04 Speaker_02
Roaring 20s vibe dinner and then like a whole weekend of roaring 20s like it's like you wear the outfits I'm not gonna but like bro.

00:32:11 Speaker_03
We're wearing them outfits They wear was like a roaring 20s outfit suit suit. I would imagine that's like breasted Yeah, like the Peaky Blinders what those dudes were. Yeah, what do they wear the 20s the Shelby's suit suits, man?

00:32:26 Speaker_03
Where they were Roaring 20s men Yeah, oh that looks slick those hats. Look at that. They all wore hats and they're crazy. I know shit going on. Isn't that crazy that like Nice hats just went away.

00:32:45 Speaker_03
We were talking about that the other day and we were watching an old-school fight with Jack Johnson and Every man on the street like waiting in line for the fight all the people in the audience for the fight all of them had fancy hats on Men used to just wear fancy hats something happened fancy hats just fell apart and

00:33:02 Speaker_03
Like, if you were in the fancy hat business in 1920, you'd be like, bro, we got it forever. Like, fancy hats ain't going away. But fancy hats completely fucking went- If you were a couple of companies, a friend of mine was wearing a hat.

00:33:14 Speaker_02
He's like, you know, this hat's like four grand. I'm like, it's like some fancy company that got it.

00:33:18 Speaker_03
I'm sure there's companies, but it's not like everybody's- No, it was everything. Like, baseball hats, everybody buys baseball hats, you know? But fancy hats, they just went away.

00:33:26 Speaker_03
If you would ask those fancy hat people, do you think one day the president would be wearing a baseball hat or a fancy hat? They'd be like, a fancy hat. He's the fucking president. Nope. Make America great again. Baseball hat with a suit on. That's crazy.

00:33:40 Speaker_02
You know what? Fancy hats just fell out of style. Yeah, I think you can't bring it back either.

00:33:46 Speaker_02
It's become a much more casual world I believe and it's like I mean sometimes I always bitch like ah people knew how to dress when we used to go out I would put on a sport coat and where you know, but like at the end of the day like I Get it.

00:33:58 Speaker_02
It's all bullshit.

00:33:59 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's nice to dress up.

00:34:00 Speaker_02
Sometimes sometimes a pain in the ass. Yeah, it's a pain in the ass lately I've just been changing my whole fashion ways like

00:34:07 Speaker_02
A friend of mine said something, he's like, even though I have nice things, he's like, you don't need a Ferrari, be the Ferrari.

00:34:18 Speaker_02
When you walk in a room, you're on South Beach and all these fucking guys that barely have a pot to piss in are getting out of the Lambo and the fucking valet.

00:34:28 Speaker_02
The Ice Scout and shit like I'm the king of that shit I was filthy rich and did all that shit and I might as well just landed a fucking spaceship on top of the club like I was doing everything but Lately, I just it turns me off. I look at myself.

00:34:41 Speaker_02
I look like I feel like a poser mmm, I feel like the richest guy in the rooms wearing a fucking a fucking a Bare-bones, no diamonds type shit.

00:34:50 Speaker_03
Like well, look at Elon Musk.

00:34:52 Speaker_02
Yeah, I

00:34:52 Speaker_03
Dude wears Occupy Mars t-shirts. Doesn't even have a watch. Yep. You know, it's just hanging.

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That's where I'm at.

00:35:00 Speaker_03
I think what happens is, in the beginning, you want everybody to know you're doing well, so you have all your stuff on. You dress real nice. You know, like, wow, Scott looks good. He looks sharp.

00:35:10 Speaker_03
But then, when you're undeniable, you reach a point in your life where you're just like, who am I doing this for? This is stupid.

00:35:15 Speaker_02
Yeah, well, if you're like me, and you have a point in your life where you had $100 million, And you were trying to impress everybody, and you fucking didn't have any respect for anybody. Like, my financial manager walked away from me back in the day.

00:35:27 Speaker_02
He said, you're unmanageable. Why? Were you going crazy? I was going, I was spending so much money.

00:35:32 Speaker_03
But look, you're still here. I had fun.

00:35:34 Speaker_02
I had tons of fun. But you had a good time. But when you lose everything.

00:35:37 Speaker_03
Yeah.

00:35:38 Speaker_02
You want to fake it and be like, oh, no, I still got it. And I'm the guy with the most obnoxious set of diamonds, and I'm broke as shit. Because I just wanted a look of art. My ego wouldn't let me let go of that shit.

00:35:49 Speaker_03
That's a negative feedback loop. Because that doesn't feed into art either. It's the opposite.

00:35:54 Speaker_02
It doesn't. I had to get rid of all of that. I had to really take it back to nothing. I don't care about labels and shit. I like nice things. Look.

00:36:04 Speaker_02
Not I don't like have to do the pull up on the club But look there's nothing wrong with a fucking 9-11 like it's just a great car like yeah, there's amazing anything yeah, I do it for me now like whatever I do and I'm just like I'm really getting into my music.

00:36:21 Speaker_02
I'm getting into a lot of things and

00:36:23 Speaker_03
I appreciate both things. I appreciate people who dress real nice, and I appreciate people who don't give a fuck. I think there's a place for everybody.

00:36:30 Speaker_02
There's a happy medium.

00:36:31 Speaker_03
Yeah. And then the stuff, stuff is not life. Life is not your stuff. No. But some stuff is fucking cool. Hell yeah. Like Cat Williams when he was here, he wasn't even living here or staying here, and somehow or another he got an electric Rolls Royce.

00:36:45 Speaker_03
So he's here for a day to do a show. Wasn't he doing a show somewhere else or something, like an arena somewhere? But one of the things he said, he said, when you're sitting in this car, you know where you spent your money.

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Because it's like, you go, oh, I know why this is $600,000. Look how fucking amazing this thing is. Lights on the ceiling. I love nice things. I just like them for different reasons. Right. You don't like them for showing off.

00:37:12 Speaker_03
You like them because you like them because they're awesome. There's nothing wrong with luxury. Yes. There's nothing wrong with luxury. The problem is you trying to show everybody your luxury instead of just enjoying it. Like, look at my car.

00:37:26 Speaker_02
Or prioritizing it before your children or before anything. Before anything.

00:37:30 Speaker_03
Before anything. Before food. It shouldn't come before anything. It should be just a fun thing. And when you get to a level of success that you're at, if you don't figure that out, that's when it's the saddest.

00:37:41 Speaker_03
When someone makes a ton of money and doesn't go, oh, it's not about the things. It's about the relationships that I have. It's about my friends. It's about my loved ones, my family. It's about the people that I work with.

00:37:53 Speaker_03
It's about everybody having a good time. It's about let's all get together and break bread and eat and hug each other and tell each other we love each other and do great work and have a good time and just enjoy this life experience. That's the thing.

00:38:06 Speaker_03
That's the thing. The car is just like, look, that's cool, dude.

00:38:08 Speaker_02
Yeah, it's icing.

00:38:09 Speaker_03
Yeah, if you pull up in a cool car, I'm like, check it out.

00:38:11 Speaker_02
That is all some people have to offer in their life, and they think that that is great.

00:38:16 Speaker_03
Well, you know, the problem is that's seemingly the most unattainable thing. When you're broke and you see some guy who pulls up in a brand new 911, you're like, what the fuck? This is yours? It's mind-blowing.

00:38:29 Speaker_02
I had Bugattis and all kinds of shit. You had those things? I had everything. I won for the best car collection on fucking MTV Cribs. I had like 26 cars, bro. If you name it, I had like $10 million cars. Like crazy shit, like I'm an idiot. But at any rate.

00:38:47 Speaker_03
Yeah, but those are fun too, if you can afford it.

00:38:49 Speaker_02
No, yeah, but I lived a billionaire's life as a millionaire. I had a hundred million, I thought I said a hundred billion in my account. I thought there was an extra zero. But recently, I met a guy, You just met Kevin.

00:39:03 Speaker_02
Kevin is a fucking like, just a great person. I had met him years and years ago. He was the head of security for 50 Cent. And when he, he brought 50 to my house to do the candy shop. Okay. And that's when I met him, but I lost touch with him.

00:39:21 Speaker_02
for so many years, and just, you know, not so long ago, just re-met him at this studio. This guy, B.B. at Circle House said, yo, I got you, this guy wants to, you've met him before, but he wants to meet you.

00:39:33 Speaker_02
He's now the owner of the Platinum Security Group, which is like one of the largest corporate security companies in the nation. Like, this guy owns so much real estate, he owns half of Boca Raton. He's like a major frickin' guy, and he like,

00:39:50 Speaker_02
We started he wanted to initially hire me to do some music for some artists that he had a record label and We ended up partnering on that record label and partnering on these different type things that were you know different projects and shit that we're doing and He is like yo

00:40:09 Speaker_02
First of all, you need to get the fuck out of Miami, and I want you to move an hour north to Boca so you can focus and really make the music and stop worrying about... Because Miami, like, starts slipping into my old ways, and girls are every day.

00:40:23 Speaker_02
It's show up, and it's a cesspool, bro, and it's so much fun, and it's so fucked up, and there's so much ass, and there's so much drugs, and there's so much everything, and it's like, fuck that. You should have to have a passport to go to Miami.

00:40:36 Speaker_03
That is not America. That's some new thing. That's some new thing. Miami's wild.

00:40:41 Speaker_02
It's good to go there if you need to fucking be there.

00:40:44 Speaker_03
The energy in that place is amazing.

00:40:45 Speaker_02
An hour down the road is beautiful waterfront living and normalcy. And just far enough to where the garbage is not going to hit you every day.

00:40:55 Speaker_03
You can get there if you want, but yeah, you're outside.

00:40:58 Speaker_02
That's what I think.

00:40:59 Speaker_03
Attack it from the outside.

00:41:01 Speaker_02
He's like, move up here. Since I did that and followed his lead, so many great things are happening. Even just like unlocking, you know how you block your blessings? Like I was blocking my blessings and now they're starting to come.

00:41:13 Speaker_02
I'm here with you talking and telling my story and things like that are happening, great things. I have an artist that I'm working on.

00:41:24 Speaker_02
My album, I decided like, you know how Khaled makes an album, he's got all these different people, and I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna like, I've made my whole life of making hit records for labels and for their artists, why not develop artists and do my own album and use some of those artists for my projects, and yeah, I'm putting out a slew of singles.

00:41:50 Speaker_02
This girl, Abby Stair, that Kevin introduced me to is so amazing. I think there might be a picture somewhere of that, I was told, because I'm using her for my single, for my first single, even though we're going to be developing her album.

00:42:08 Speaker_02
But I'm doing my single featuring her and then a whole bunch of other ones that I'm going to be putting out. I have one with Young Blue and I have tons of singles. But we have this song

00:42:20 Speaker_02
Yeah, I'm excited man like I'm doing the things I always wanted to do I'm taking like full-on Initiative now anything moving an hour outside Miami was a big part of that I think yeah in order to like just balance.

00:42:35 Speaker_03
Yeah balance my you need balance man You need to be able to go hard, but you need to be able to recover relax and focus you need privacy you need

00:42:43 Speaker_03
Solitude so you could think everybody needs that you need balance in your life If you don't you just go you lean in one direction you want it's like it's like your body You only work out your biceps fucking your hips are gonna go something's gonna go wrong You're gonna fuck your body up with imbalance.

00:42:58 Speaker_03
You're gonna fuck your life up with imbalance everything needs some sort of a balance and everybody's balance is different and You know, for a guy like you who goes hard, you probably should get the fuck out of Miami.

00:43:10 Speaker_03
You probably should be living in Boca with all the quiet people. Yep.

00:43:14 Speaker_02
And I'm loving it. If I need to go to Miami, I'm going to Miami.

00:43:17 Speaker_03
One hour. It's one hour. Fuck it. How hard is that? I love Florida. This is a fucking crazy ass place. It is. Crazy ass place filled with reptiles. Yeah, right? And they literally were walking around on your dock.

00:43:29 Speaker_02
There's so many.

00:43:31 Speaker_03
Giant iguanas falling out of trees when it gets cold out. It's just such a fucked up place, but it's so fun. There's so many good things. And during the pandemic, I think people started to really appreciate Florida.

00:43:45 Speaker_03
Like so many people moved down there and they're like, hey, you can just, just live here. You don't have to just be under the tyrannical control of the government.

00:43:52 Speaker_02
Look, the Northeast was a great place to, as a young guy, to build strength and the changing of the seasons and scraping the ice off your fucking windshield and just learning about being a man, wearing Timberland boots because you're fucking freezing cold.

00:44:07 Speaker_02
And I think... I think every young person should have to like experience that. One hundred percent. Not just like sunshine.

00:44:16 Speaker_03
I grew up in Boston. Yeah. And you know it's cold as fuck in the winter. When I was a kid we made money by shoveling snow and that you know that's back breaking fucking work shoveling long steep driveways and shit for a hundred bucks. You know.

00:44:31 Speaker_03
But if you could do that and do that all the time like you build resolve you're out there freezing your hands are numb. You know, we'd play outside in the snow. Your fucking hands would go numb. You'd come in, you can't feel your feet.

00:44:44 Speaker_03
Makes you stronger. It makes you stronger. Scraping the ice off your windshield before you go to work. Salting the fucking walk. I feel bad for people that don't grow up in those environments, because I really think it gives you a little extra edge.

00:44:57 Speaker_03
And those changing of seasons is amazing.

00:44:59 Speaker_02
Different feelings, different moods.

00:45:01 Speaker_03
All my favorite comedians for the most, well, that's not true. I was gonna say that, but then Kennison. He was from Texas. Sam. Yeah. But that was different. That dude was, that's a different thing. I always think about back to school.

00:45:13 Speaker_03
I think about Sam Kennison.

00:45:14 Speaker_02
I don't know why, but mine just goes right there. Was he right? Was he right?

00:45:19 Speaker_04
I was there!

00:45:22 Speaker_02
That dude was awesome. Yeah, he was awesome. I have an appreciation for film. I have an appreciation for comedians. I grew up, I was buying Richard Pryor albums as a kid and Eddie Murphy albums. I spent a lot of time, I became good friends with Mike Epps.

00:45:37 Speaker_02
A lot of comedians. Comedians are tortured souls, you guys. I think a lot of... That whole comedy tragedy thing is very serious. For many, for many.

00:45:48 Speaker_03
Yeah, there's something to that, but it's... You just gotta figure out how to balance it, like we were talking about before. For me, I balance it out with exercise. Exercise and saunas and cold plunges and yoga and shit like that.

00:46:03 Speaker_03
That's how I balance it out. That's how I keep my mind straight. But if I didn't, I would be spiraling, just like all of them. I think you need something in your life that's more difficult than your life.

00:46:16 Speaker_03
Something that you do, that you choose to do, that's more difficult than regular life. Because then it makes regular life way more manageable.

00:46:22 Speaker_02
Well, it's kind of cool.

00:46:25 Speaker_02
I'm 50 and I'm like inspired like what I was in my early 20s and just like doing the music and it's like sometimes I get reminded of like the fact you know like when you try to like keep up like there's a session like and you're gonna have to go meet little baby at 3 in the morning.

00:46:44 Speaker_02
And you're 50. Okay, fuck it. I just do it. I just have to compensate for it. I could have just went for days back in that day without drugs. You know what I'm saying?

00:46:55 Speaker_02
And now it's like, all right, I'm going to sleep real late because I'm going to have to go at three o'clock in the morning.

00:46:59 Speaker_03
So is that like a standard thing? When rappers come and they want to work with you, do they generally want to work late at night?

00:47:06 Speaker_02
Rappers?

00:47:07 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yes. They all want to work late at night.

00:47:09 Speaker_02
And my biggest problem is

00:47:13 Speaker_02
I know, I can't always tell them that, sometimes you should just send them CDs and shit, but I know when you get in a room and you make some shit right there on the spot for somebody and you're feeling their energy, that's when the best records happen.

00:47:27 Speaker_02
A lot of dudes are not with it, but there some are. That's the extra magic, right? Yeah, I think the best artists want that. The ones that aren't really artists, they just want some bullshit to rap on, some more bullshit.

00:47:41 Speaker_03
But there's something, you're exchanging something as human beings, right? You're with that person. You're experiencing them, they're experiencing you, the music, the song, everything together, the lyrics. That's a human experience.

00:47:55 Speaker_03
That's why I refuse to do Zoom podcasts. Like some people in other countries, they wanted to be on a screen and just sit in the living room. You gotta fly here, bro. You gotta be in the room.

00:48:06 Speaker_02
I'll give you a perfect example. I got a call a week ago, FaceTime, and it was J. Cole. I was sitting on my phone. And I was chillin', I was like, oh shit, it's J. Cole.

00:48:22 Speaker_03
My neighbors think I'm sellin' dope.

00:48:24 Speaker_02
He says, yo, Storch, I figured out a way that I can harness that Storch thing. You're in Florida, I'm flying there, so I'm going home from this tomorrow, he's gonna be there the next day, we're gonna be working at a hit factory, but he gets it.

00:48:41 Speaker_03
We were just listening to Neighbors in the green room last night. We were all going, motherfucker, I am.

00:48:49 Speaker_02
I'm excited. I'm excited when somebody wants to get in the room and they have an idea of what they feel like out of the Scott Storch bag of tricks. They wanna harness or encompass it.

00:49:00 Speaker_03
Well, you're also a guy that you find out you're working with Scott Storch that day, everybody gets fired up. Because you've had so much success that there's this excitement about you. And you're in the room, and that creates additional inspiration.

00:49:16 Speaker_02
I think by all clients, because if somebody's going to be in a room when I'm not there, and they're like, this is the one Scott Storch did, That shit had better.

00:49:26 Speaker_02
If I like the artist or I don't, like whatever the hell it is, they have to be like, yo, that beat is fucking flames. Like, so I give my all to shit.

00:49:35 Speaker_02
And for some reason, man, like I said, like I just, this is one of the few things I can just do over and over again. I do it good. I give results. Nothing always sounds the same. If somehow I managed to pull it off.

00:49:47 Speaker_02
And it's like, I just remember Dr. Dre telling me, yo, because his work ethic is crazy. He says, you don't have to be on every day, just most days.

00:49:59 Speaker_02
And it stuck with me, and I was like, yeah, man, you gotta be known for being the guy that hit home runs almost every time.

00:50:05 Speaker_03
Not every time, but almost every time. But when you're dealing with something that involves creativity, it can't be every day. It's not possible. You're asking too much of the muse. But that's also the problem with being a workaholic.

00:50:18 Speaker_03
You're going hard all the time. You're constantly working, and you're gonna have your hits, and you're gonna have your misses, and that's just a part of the process.

00:50:27 Speaker_02
I go hard with everything that I do, whether it be a bad thing or a good thing. Yeah, like most people do. I got like, you know, the same energy I give to that, to the music and shit. I was given to like the wrong things for a while.

00:50:41 Speaker_03
A good friend of mine, we were talking about a buddy of ours that died. He died from pills and he was super clean. He was a professional pool player.

00:50:50 Speaker_03
Like a really like world-class pool player super clean never did anything never drank never smoked got a car accident fucked his backup started getting on pills and Pain pills to him.

00:51:01 Speaker_03
He chased the pain pills the way he chased being the best in the world at pool the same thing that got him to be a wizard at playing pool that a same obsession for him that Same obsession got wrapped up in the pills and he died. He died young and

00:51:16 Speaker_03
And we were talking about it, and I'm like, that is what it is. That's where obsession and addiction cross paths. One can serve you, one can ruin you. And they're the same energy. It's just how you channel the fire.

00:51:29 Speaker_03
You can channel the fire to wood and cook your food, or you can channel it to your house, and now you're fucked. Like, where do you put the fire? How do you direct it?

00:51:39 Speaker_03
And if you direct it the right way, you can have an amazing life and do all kinds of cool shit and have a great time and meet cool people and have a fun life. Or you can do it the wrong way and just be on skid row, covered in scabs.

00:51:50 Speaker_02
It's hard to balance sometimes things that take over your soul, like pills and shit like that. Later I want to talk to you about, I got into the business of rehab. Not for money. I got into the business of rehab to help people, but that's later.

00:52:05 Speaker_02
Honestly, I got my whole life. was just all music, music, music. I loved music. I loved going in my fucking car and just listening to the things I love, like music. I love music of the 70s, and I love Marvin Gaye.

00:52:22 Speaker_02
I like all this fucking incredible music. Earth, Wind, and Fires, and this, that. That's where it all comes from, so I based my music on the past 50 years of music, 100 years of music.

00:52:33 Speaker_02
And I was doing good, I smoked pounds of weed, made my music, lived a very healthy life and became very rich. And I was in a bubble for so long that One day, I'm living in a house that Ivanka Trump recently just bought.

00:52:54 Speaker_02
It was my house on Indian Creek Island, which I owned outright. I bought the fucking house for cash from the widow of the founder of Southern Wine and Spirits. I bought this house, it was fucking massive topiary gardens and incredible thing.

00:53:11 Speaker_02
I was living a healthy life. And I wasn't in my mind like cool, but I was like happy. I was cool. That was as cool as it gets because I was balanced and healthy and doing what I love to do. But I felt like

00:53:27 Speaker_02
I was yearning for something bad, or I don't know what I was yearning for. But this girl ended up showing up at my doorstep, a very famous girl. And look, I'm not playing the blame game or anything, but it's just a course of events happened.

00:53:44 Speaker_02
Paris Hilton shows up at my door initially to work on music.

00:53:49 Speaker_02
and we ended up connecting and I learned this whole new way of life like with paparazzis and being like next to her and then inevitably hooking up with her and we're now an item and shit and we're you know

00:54:09 Speaker_02
We're having tons of fun, we're good friends, but I think we're both using each other in a certain way. I'm so excited to be next to this girl who's the coolest, most famous girl in the world. She's my girl.

00:54:25 Speaker_02
Her passion was, at that time, music, and she was next to me, who I'm the number one music producer in the world at the time. And it went on and then inevitably the nightlife led to fucking... Cocaine. She don't lie, she don't lie.

00:54:47 Speaker_02
First year, year and a half, going here on planes and St. Tropez and St. Bards and the flyest shit you could do and flyest, the best fucking coke and all that shit, just having a blast. And then it just goes bad.

00:55:04 Speaker_02
And then it's just like you have a relationship. You see in the movie Blow. Oh, yeah. You've seen how hot Penelope Cruz. Oh, yeah. And Dewar like in the beginning. Oh, yeah. Into each other. It just comes. Of course. On like there's no happy ending.

00:55:18 Speaker_03
Your foundation gets rotted out under you.

00:55:20 Speaker_02
Yeah. And like my A-list life. Was like, you know, was born there and like I was now like in that situation and ended up with Kim Kardashian and all these different things. She wasn't even famous at that point, but she's cool, man.

00:55:39 Speaker_02
She's always been a great person.

00:55:41 Speaker_03
I gained a lot of respect for her when she started working for criminal and prison reform.

00:55:45 Speaker_02
Yeah, that just shows. That sits on the heart too.

00:55:48 Speaker_03
Advocacy for people that are wrongfully accused. Yeah, man. She's done a lot of good things. That lady's gotten a lot of people out of jail.

00:55:57 Speaker_02
As long as I've known Kim, she's never been anything but just a super sweet person. That's awesome. I met her before the fame. We dated before the fame. I was a hot mess. I was the fucked up one when we were together. I just was not focused.

00:56:16 Speaker_02
I was just thinking about strippers and drugs and this and that. I was still on a high level, but I was living a fucked up life. I had a session. Now I moved to Palm Island from Indian Creek because

00:56:32 Speaker_02
Everything I was doing, I was trying to impress Paris, and I knew that everybody wanted to be on Star Island and Palm Island, and close to the party, South Beach. It was South Beach, South Beach.

00:56:43 Speaker_02
I didn't know that where I was living already was the big daddy. Those houses, you have to be a... Everybody's there, like Bezos, everybody's there now, like where I was. I moved to this house on Palm Island.

00:56:55 Speaker_02
I go from a 90-foot yacht to a much bigger yacht. I take these leaps just trying to impress her and just blow her mind, even though she didn't need that. But I was doing it. Trapped. Yeah, it was all some weird mental thing.

00:57:09 Speaker_02
A lot of people get caught in that spiral when they start making money. I didn't want to be famous. I wanted to be the most famous. I wanted to be the biggest boss, not just a boss. I had to be that guy. Boy.

00:57:19 Speaker_02
And when I lost everything, it was like, it's bad news. And look, I had Janet Jackson at my house to do a session. Pre or post-nipple at the Super Bowl? I don't remember. I don't remember the nipples, but I remember this sweet, cool lady.

00:57:35 Speaker_02
When I met Janet, I was told to not even really talk to her, more like talk to somebody. It was like, pass your message and tell this person and they're going to relay it. Even in the same room.

00:57:50 Speaker_02
To the point where within a few hours... Wait, you're collaborating with music? Just for the first few minutes this happened, and then like... Dude, we became like homies. It was like immediate, I was like, fuck that.

00:58:02 Speaker_03
Well, sometimes it's the handlers that fuck things.

00:58:03 Speaker_02
The handlers.

00:58:04 Speaker_03
I've seen people, they give themselves extra importance by saying, if you want to talk to her, you have to talk to me first.

00:58:11 Speaker_02
Yeah, like creating a role for themselves.

00:58:14 Speaker_03
And creating a little bit of insecurity on your part too. Don't address Ms. Jackson correctly. Address me, I'll address Mrs. Johnson. And probably she might not even know about all that.

00:58:24 Speaker_02
Dude, by the end of the day, I was smoking my weed. I was telling her about the different kinds I had, these New York plastic jars, and this and that. Just cool as hell, but flash forward to now she's coming to Palm Island to work.

00:58:42 Speaker_02
I left her at my house for like seven or eight hours because I wanted to go to the gold rush and go get some blow and hang out with strippers. It was just like, are you fucking serious? Like, you're really going to do that?

00:58:54 Speaker_02
Like, you don't see it at the time because it's out of your fucking mind. You're out of your fucking mind. Out of my mind.

00:58:59 Speaker_03
Out of my tits.

00:59:01 Speaker_02
So much regret for things like that.

00:59:02 Speaker_03
When you have so much money and you have power and fame, it's like you have too much possibility.

00:59:07 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:59:07 Speaker_03
There's too many things that can entice you and if you're doing blow and going to strip clubs all the time It's just like more titties in my face, please. Yeah, let's keep doing it. Let's keep partying.

00:59:16 Speaker_02
Let's stay up selfish Yeah, and it's and you're not thinking about it because you're what are you saying? Good fellas? Hey, your brain is going to mush.

00:59:23 Speaker_03
It's imbalance. It's true. It's imbalance It's like what we're talking about. So you need a balance and

00:59:29 Speaker_02
The A-list parties turn to B-list parties. The B-list turns to C-list. The C-list turns to fucking street urchins. You know what I mean? I've had some fucking funny moments, though. Like, I remember having a party. It was like a Super Bowl party.

00:59:43 Speaker_02
I had like... Seven or eight hundred people at my house and I like everybody's like fizzling out.

00:59:49 Speaker_02
It's now like 9 in the morning 10 in the morning I think Snoop was there Mike Epps was there different people were hanging out lingering chillin like family people now It's like friends and shit and like there's a knock on my door at like 10 a.m.

01:00:04 Speaker_02
And it's Pamela Anderson and that shit was the funniest shit in my house living with me at that time was one of my favorite people and And I knew he was upstairs like sleeping or whatever. My good friend DMX, God rest his soul.

01:00:23 Speaker_02
And Pamela was showing up and I was like, yo ex, yo ex, check this out. I was all geeked out.

01:00:30 Speaker_02
I'm like, so thinking it's so funny that I got Pamela coming to my house at 10 in the morning and he comes over the railing of my house and he's like, looks over Baywatch, and then he just walked back away, walked back in the fucking thing, okay?

01:00:46 Speaker_02
X was living with me, man, and it was like the blind leading the blind. I'm a coke addict and he's a crack addict, and I'm trying to help him. I'm like, man, you really need to get clean, man.

01:00:59 Speaker_02
It's like, what the fuck is really... So I'm like, yo, you need to go to rehab. So I convince him to avoid a jail sentence for something, a charge that he had, whatever. He went to rehab and was getting his shit together.

01:01:16 Speaker_02
The place that I had gone that didn't really work for me, but I had him there. I really did care about him. I wanted him off that shit. Whatever, that was like a worse evil. or a faster suicide than I was even on. And he ran out of the place.

01:01:32 Speaker_02
I got a call from him. The place was directly across the street from the Hard Rock in Hollywood, Florida. And he's like, calls me, he's like, yo, what's up? I'm like, well, how are you calling me? You don't have phone privileges like that.

01:01:42 Speaker_02
And he's like, I'm across the street from the rehab at the Hard Rock with one of the nurses. And I'm like, oh my, are you fucking kidding me? I was like, yo, X, cover yourself up. Come back to my house.

01:01:58 Speaker_02
I'm going to talk to these people, let you back in. And he wouldn't let him back in. It was a real tough motherfucker to own this place. And he ended up, because it was court ordered, he had to go away.

01:02:08 Speaker_02
I'm at the Montreal one morning a couple of days later. My security's like, yo, dog, there's 50 federal agents here. Woo, woo, woo, like crazy shit, bro. It was like, I couldn't believe it. I felt horrible.

01:02:21 Speaker_02
And then you flash forward to not so long ago, I was heavily involved in a rehab center in California, in Studio City, where we used cannabis for healing. And it came to my attention that he was on his last legs. X was in bad shape.

01:02:42 Speaker_02
So I was able to make a meeting happen. My partner, Steve LaBelle, I don't know if you know who Steve LaBelle is, managed Bone Thugs-N-Harmony and all these people, like real legend. We were partners on this place and we had X come in. He had emphysema.

01:03:03 Speaker_02
He was one rock away from death, like, you know, that kind of thing. So we convinced him, we put him on a private plane to Washington to do a detox.

01:03:12 Speaker_02
He went, he went through the whole detox and his plan was to leave the detox and come to our facility inpatient and do rehab. He never made it back on the plane to head back and we never saw him again. And like I was me trying to save man's life.

01:03:33 Speaker_02
I really loved man.

01:03:34 Speaker_03
He was like such a special guy But like such a special performer, I mean, there's this one of the greatest ever do it Oh without a doubt without a doubt the power that that guy had in his voice It was amazing, but wild people make wild shit And I'm one of them sometimes.

01:03:53 Speaker_03
Yeah, you can't control it.

01:03:54 Speaker_02
Yeah calculate or

01:03:56 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, going back to Kennison, I mean, that just did him in. I mean, he died in a car accident, but he was falling apart, because it was all cocaine. Cocaine and drinking.

01:04:07 Speaker_03
And the wildest of the wilds all get caught up in that life, because you escape yourself.

01:04:12 Speaker_02
It's an escape, I was just about to say. Yeah, it's an escape.

01:04:15 Speaker_03
The difference between enjoying yourself and an escape is, you know.

01:04:18 Speaker_02
But, bro, like, the comedown, like, after, like, Because after a while, that getting fucked up and going to sleep doesn't work. It's like now you want to go for two days or three days. The way you feel at the end of that run is no good, bro.

01:04:34 Speaker_02
It's just no good. It's not good.

01:04:35 Speaker_03
Well, you're closing in on death. Yeah. That's the reality.

01:04:38 Speaker_02
Yeah, your body's shutting down.

01:04:40 Speaker_03
People don't like to think that, but if you're up for two days, you're about four days away from death. You keep that up for four days, you're gonna die.

01:04:47 Speaker_03
You'll stroke out, you'll have a heart attack, something will go wrong, you'll pop, something will go off. Yeah, you'll get emphysema or you'll get pneumonia, you'll get something horrible because your immune system's destroyed.

01:05:00 Speaker_03
But it's like wild people make wild shit, and do you get a DMX without drugs? I don't.

01:05:05 Speaker_02
Yeah, it's like you call it sex drugs or rock and roll, rock star shit, whatever you wanna call it.

01:05:09 Speaker_03
I don't know if you get those people, I don't know if you get Hendrix without acid. I don't know if you get it. I don't know if you get it. I don't know if you get it without heroin.

01:05:17 Speaker_02
I don't know. Maybe I'm so lucky because now I finally realize and I'm like understand like all the things you're saying about you can just die and like I get it now and I'm like I'm not doing that and like

01:05:31 Speaker_02
I lived it, though, and I got to experience, but the music is still fertile, and I'm still doing my thing, because a lot of those memories and things.

01:05:37 Speaker_03
Oh, bro, you made it through. Yeah, I made it through. You made it through. You're alive. You're healthy. You're lucky. You're blessed.

01:05:43 Speaker_02
Fucking lucky as hell.

01:05:44 Speaker_03
Lucky as shit. And it's just like, that's the dance, man. The dance is how much wild do you let in your life? And if you don't let any in, you might be boring as fuck. Your art might suck.

01:05:58 Speaker_02
I made it out alive.

01:06:00 Speaker_03
All my favorite artists are a little off the rails, and always have been. From my favorite writers to my favorite musicians. I mean, so many of my favorite musicians died young.

01:06:12 Speaker_03
Hendrix is probably one of my all-time favorites, but that's a great example. Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, all these people died young, man. Kurt Cobain died young, because they went too fucking hard, too wild, too wild out of the gate.

01:06:25 Speaker_03
Amy Winehouse, too wild.

01:06:26 Speaker_02
You're dealing with stuff that, like, It's not like you could just be an organized drug addict. Some people just have less of an addictive personality, but the shit just takes over.

01:06:38 Speaker_03
Yeah, it takes over. And again, if you live in that, there you go. If you live in that wild life, it's like there's no one telling you to stop. There's no one telling you to slow down. You have all the money in the world. Like what? Who the fuck are you?

01:06:52 Speaker_03
Why are you telling me to slow down?

01:06:55 Speaker_02
Fuck outta here.

01:06:55 Speaker_03
I just did the Star Spangled Banner with my teeth. Get the fuck off the stage. You ever see him do that? Ever see Hendrix do the Star Spangled Banner with his teeth? Bro. That motherfucker.

01:07:08 Speaker_02
I'm told I'm one of the only guys who can play music and smoke weed at the same time. I don't know how they play music and sing at the same time. I met this guy, Post Malone, part of his business team, like him and Dre London, this guy Austin Rosen.

01:07:28 Speaker_02
Austin Rosen's a fucking awesome dude, like he owns Electric Field Entertainment. Post, all these guys, Lou Bell, they're all part of like some of the most talented and like, Just one of the coolest things going on in music are these guys.

01:07:47 Speaker_02
So I wanted to make a life story, like biopic. I was going to do something. I had one idea I was going to do. And then he was like, Austin says, dude, I want you to go meet this guy. His name's Charles Roven. He owns Atlas Entertainment.

01:08:05 Speaker_02
I don't know if you're familiar with Atlas, but they made, like, one of the biggest movie producers in the history of movies. He did, like, Suicide Squad, that whole series, The Dark Knight, Oppenheimer, like, some of the craziest movies.

01:08:22 Speaker_02
The list just goes on. I'm like, oh, shit, this guy makes blockbusters. He was gonna make my movie? He was like, listen, Just go meet him, see what happens. I meet the guy, and I go in his office. I'm like so nervous.

01:08:35 Speaker_02
He says to me, I don't like you very much, especially from what I read. But if I like you by the end of this meeting, I think we'll make a movie. What does that mean? I don't like you very much, especially from what I read. What do you read?

01:08:50 Speaker_02
There's some fucked up shit. Oh, tabloid type shit? Yeah, but a lot of it's bullshit. Of course it is. It made me look a certain way. But meanwhile, me and him ended up really seeing eye to eye, and I was able to articulate

01:09:03 Speaker_02
why a lot of these things happened. There was one interview I missed because I wasn't even told about it and apparently it was rescheduled three times and then I was told about it and I unfortunately had to reschedule it.

01:09:19 Speaker_02
Guy wrote the most horrible story about me.

01:09:21 Speaker_02
It was the cover of a magazine and it was me covered with blood all over my face and just making me just look like fucking Hitler and You know, it couldn't be any further from the truth like I yeah, I made big mistakes, but I did it

01:09:37 Speaker_02
I was the nicest person, I would give the shirt off my back. Any person that ever stopped me in the streets to get a picture, I'm gonna ask them how their day was. You know what I'm saying? I'm that guy. I'm very thorough and very consistent.

01:09:51 Speaker_03
Well, that doesn't sell. Yeah. What sells is you're the worst piece of shit of all time. Oh my god.

01:09:55 Speaker_03
Let me read about this piece of shit So that's that's a horrible thing that journals do for money They make these pieces where they completely distort a person's essence and they only do it for money.

01:10:07 Speaker_03
Yeah, they're just like emotional hit people Let's not talk about everything. I left my footprint in the fucking world But at any rate, yeah, right.

01:10:15 Speaker_03
Let's just talk about negative things and only from a very distorted perspective Selfless life is nuanced about and it's weird life is fucking crazy.

01:10:24 Speaker_03
Yeah, and sometimes people make mistakes, but it's not their whole being Yeah, and to try to like condense a person down to like tabloid headlines like that's the essence of the person That's crazy. That's like the least compassionate

01:10:38 Speaker_03
The least kind way of looking at human beings. That's not how human beings are. We're complicated. That's why those little hip pieces, they're gross and they don't really work. Because people know that.

01:10:51 Speaker_03
They know that a person, there's probably a lot more to this. Why is this so negative? This is not a balanced version of who that person is.

01:10:59 Speaker_02
I'm a complex character if I was in a movie.

01:11:01 Speaker_03
Of course you are.

01:11:03 Speaker_02
You're an artist.

01:11:04 Speaker_03
Every artist is complex. I've never met one that isn't.

01:11:08 Speaker_02
A very, very raw and real look at my life is happening now with Atlas Entertainment. We're making a movie, major movie. Who's going to play you? It's got to be several me's, because my span of my career starts ultimately. You're a kid. I'm a kid.

01:11:29 Speaker_02
Yeah, I'm already a kid. Maybe they do CGI, turn you into a kid. You could play yourself. Nah. They could do wild shit. I didn't want to be involved in production, writing. I needed to be respected and real, raw.

01:11:42 Speaker_02
Like, it's not gonna make me look like the greatest guy. It's not gonna make me look like a bad guy. It's just gonna make me look like who I was, you know what I mean?

01:11:49 Speaker_03
Do you have any say in, like, because one of the things that drives me nuts is when there's a movie and no one was there, and you see, like, this historical figure say some things, and you're like, well, how do I... He didn't really say that.

01:12:01 Speaker_03
Some fucking writer wrote that shit. This is not a real conversation that this person had with somebody.

01:12:05 Speaker_02
I spent a lot of time with the writers. This guy Dan is...

01:12:07 Speaker_02
freaking amazing talented guy and Yeah, everything is gonna be cool if I have my way I Have an 18 year old son who's literally me who I make all my music with this kid Jalen He's my son and he's like one of my best friends and

01:12:25 Speaker_03
What's like when Ice Cube's son played him?

01:12:27 Speaker_02
And this kid looks just like me. And at the time I was his age, acts just like me. Perfect. To a point where it's not even normal. So I can't think of anybody better. But we'll get to that. I'm not saying he's going to, but I would love for that to be.

01:12:42 Speaker_02
And I think anybody could see if this kid's capable. Yeah, and and he is me.

01:12:48 Speaker_03
He's like you feel me like my mouth everything different fucking things like yeah But but it's weird when someone's alive and someone's playing that person who's alive and you know, I can't that's not only Scott Storch You know, I mean, it's weird.

01:13:00 Speaker_03
It's like a movie about you and you're you remember when Michael Jai white played Mike Tyson, you know and Mike Tyson was I mean they were friends they were cool with each other but like that had to be weird you're playing a dude who's still alive and

01:13:12 Speaker_03
Mike Tyson's a special guy. He's a very special guy. He's a very good friend of mine. I'm glad he got through that fight and didn't get hurt. Yeah. That's what I was, I was hoping he would knock Jake Paul out. Just because that's the Cinderella story.

01:13:26 Speaker_03
I don't have anything against Jake Paul. I like Jake Paul. I think what he's doing is genius. I think what he's doing is like, I mean, he's got, he's making insane amounts of money. He's having a great fucking time. He's a legit boxer.

01:13:37 Speaker_03
He's absolutely a legit boxer. You can't hate on somebody that works that hard. You cannot. I would never hate on- If you do, you're an idiot.

01:13:43 Speaker_02
No, I was like, you know what? This guy is fucking really driven. Him and his brother, they're like driven, like it's not at all- For sure. Everybody starts somewhere. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

01:13:51 Speaker_03
So they were YouTubers or they were on Disney Channel, who cares?

01:13:54 Speaker_02
It's what you do with it.

01:13:54 Speaker_03
What you do with it. But the reality is... Mike is 58 years old, and I was worried. I love that guy. And he was a hero of mine when I was a kid. So to see him, 58 years old, fighting, part of me was like, fuck.

01:14:07 Speaker_02
Me and him have fought a lot of the same demons, and we were there for each other in a lot of ways. I talk to him pretty deep conversations with Mike. And he actually checks on me and like, yo, you good? And I do the same. That's great.

01:14:20 Speaker_02
And my friend Rick. We're all kind of like- That's beautiful. Yeah.

01:14:24 Speaker_02
that's beautiful he's a beautiful person he really is man for a guy who was the most terrifying fighter of all time he's a really nice guy to be around i felt like i was in the fucking movie hangover one time like because i was hanging out with him in vegas i remember we're cruising around in my fucking bentley mulsane at the time and he's like

01:14:41 Speaker_02
Yo, let's go jam out. We went to the Palms, from my hotel to the Palms, and we rented the studio there just so I could play piano. We're jamming out, playing old records and shit. Oh, that's awesome.

01:14:51 Speaker_02
But just cruising around Vegas, I was like, damn, this is like fucking hangover. That's awesome. Greek dude, man.

01:14:58 Speaker_03
Vegas is a great example of a place where you have to have balance. It's like living in Miami to me. You live in Vegas, you should probably live in Henderson. Yeah, right. Live out there. Celine Dion's. Yeah, exactly. Live close to the mountains out there.

01:15:13 Speaker_03
Don't be right in the middle of all that. Attack it from the outside. That's what I did in L.A. When I lived in L.A. I lived like an hour outside L.A.

01:15:20 Speaker_03
I never lived... I did when I first moved there and then I slowly started moving further and further away until I got about an hour outside.

01:15:26 Speaker_02
I am not comfortable in L.A. anymore. I used to be. It's crazy. I sleep with one eye open. Yeah. I sold my house. I got rid of that fucking place in the valley. I was just... Home invasions everywhere.

01:15:38 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's crazy. It's like what they've done to that city in a short amount of time is shocking. I never thought it would go that bad that fast. And it's the way it is now is bizarre.

01:15:51 Speaker_03
I always say that it's like a girl that used to date, she was really cute, but now she does meth and she works for the cartel. What happened to you? The pandemic happened. You just remember her from when she was so sweet and cool.

01:16:02 Speaker_03
Well, the pandemic was the the reason why the government was able to fuck up that city. It's the pandemic was just that was their way to fuck up the city. There were stacks of bricks. Yeah. On the street.

01:16:17 Speaker_02
Yeah. Stacks of bricks.

01:16:18 Speaker_03
Stacks of bricks. It's somebody left there hoping someone would throw through windows. Starting riots.

01:16:23 Speaker_02
That's some weirdo shit, bro.

01:16:25 Speaker_03
It's spooky and scary. It's spooky. I don't like to go full Batman on this, but it's like there's evil villains out there that are pulling the strings of the world. And that's real. Those fucking protests are organized, man.

01:16:37 Speaker_03
People spend a lot of money to organize those things and then put bricks out. The whole thing was designed to disrupt society. And then the defund the police bullshit, how anybody bought into that is so crazy. Reform the police, yeah.

01:16:51 Speaker_03
Train the police better, yeah. But defund them? Are you fucking crazy?

01:16:55 Speaker_02
Yeah, let's just all not be safe.

01:16:56 Speaker_03
Are you out of your fucking mind? Do you not know the law of the jungle? Do you not know the real streets? Let me know when your house gets robbed.

01:17:02 Speaker_02
You're not going to get a cop. It's not coming now.

01:17:06 Speaker_03
I have had so many friends that completely flipped a 180 after they got robbed. 180 they're Trump supporters now.

01:17:13 Speaker_03
It's crazy people that were like full-on liberals and then they you know Get a gun pointed in their face and also they're like, oh this is what we signed up for This is you're just letting these people out like you arrest these people and let them out and then they just do it again and they get Arrested like what the fuck?

01:17:30 Speaker_03
The assistant to the DA in New York just got attacked, just got by some guy who had been, see if you can find this, he got robbed by some guy who had been arrested some insane amount of times since 2023.

01:17:45 Speaker_03
I was looking at the story online, I was like, this is so crazy that this person just keeps getting out and keeps robbing people, and they just robbed the assistant to the DA. Alvin Bragg. ROR'd out.

01:17:56 Speaker_03
Suspected gang member accused of exposing himself, robbing Manhattan district. Exposing himself? He pulled his dick out and he robbed him. Exposing himself is funny. Go to the headline. Exposing himself is first. The robbing part, that second.

01:18:12 Speaker_03
But he showed him his penis. That is unbelievable. Unbelievable. What is wrong with this world?

01:18:18 Speaker_02
I don't mean to laugh about it, but it's just like, it's comedy, bro. It's like satire almost.

01:18:23 Speaker_03
Brandon Somoza confronted the 38-year-old victim in the hallway of her building on West 44th Street around 2 a.m. Authorities say he grabbed the victim's purse, cell phone, and bank card before exposing himself.

01:18:34 Speaker_03
He pulled his dick out after he robbed her.

01:18:36 Speaker_03
He robbed her first, but they put it exposing himself for the heart most horrible thing that he did Police were able to track the phone and eventually arrest him near a hotel on West 45th Street 8th Avenue on Tuesday leading authorities to believe the suspect is a migrant Possession of drugs about no, they know who the guy is Jamie.

01:18:52 Speaker_03
They caught the guy He's been see if you can find a more updated version of it because he's he was arrested a ton of times since 2023 Exposing himself makes more sense now that it's a lady. I thought it was a Jamie. Oh Okay, right there.

01:19:08 Speaker_03
He's been arrested six times in the last five months for similar crimes six times Wouldn't you think after five times ago? Hey, maybe this guy's a real criminal. We might need to block him up Maybe we'd need to put him in jail.

01:19:19 Speaker_03
Maybe he's a real criminal. Nope. Keep him out there Jesus Christ That's the world we're living in now, and that's LA and that's New York And that's a lot of places that got fucked up by incompetent people I feel safer

01:19:37 Speaker_02
knowing that Trump is in office. I do too. I feel great about it.

01:19:41 Speaker_03
What I don't feel safer is right now they're launching missiles into Russia. How are you allowed to do that when you're on the way out? The people don't want you to be there anymore.

01:19:49 Speaker_03
There should be some sort of a pause for significant actions that could potentially start World War III. Maybe that would be a good thing that we would like to avoid from a dying former president. The whole thing is nuts.

01:20:05 Speaker_02
Look, I don't know shit about politics.

01:20:07 Speaker_03
Zelensky says Putin is terrified. Fuck you, man. Fuck you people. You fucking people are about to start World War III.

01:20:17 Speaker_02
Yeah, it's crazy. Russia fired a missile today.

01:20:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, they fired an intercontinental ballistic missile for the first time ever. It's the first time one of those has ever been used.

01:20:26 Speaker_03
It's fucking insanity because those intercontinental ballistic missiles can have nukes on them this wouldn't didn't but if it does The whole world changes and it changes because the military industrial complex and it changes because the money that's going to Ukraine and it changes because the outgoing President or whoever the fuck is actually running the country is designed to do some decided to do something fucking insane fucking insane

01:20:49 Speaker_03
And we're all sitting there watching it, and people are cheering it on. CNN was saying, like, finally. See what their headline was about Zelensky using, about Biden giving Zelensky the ability to use long-range missiles. U.S. made long-range.

01:21:05 Speaker_03
It's not like nobody knows where they came from. It's not like nobody knows we've been funding this. It's a proxy war. The whole thing is fucking insane. It's insane. Come to the negotiation table. Sit down. Work this out. Stop killing everybody. U.S.

01:21:20 Speaker_03
allows Ukraine to use long-range missiles. So what did they say? Someone had said that, like, CNN was saying that it was a good thing, which I think is how? How has the left gone so far crazy that they think it's a good thing to launch missiles?

01:21:41 Speaker_03
That's what's scary about life is like you don't want to pay attention to that shit. You just want to live your life. You want to just be carefree and have fun and do the thing that you're passionate about. And meanwhile, the world is burning.

01:21:52 Speaker_02
You can't do anything about it at that high level. It's like there's nothing.

01:21:56 Speaker_03
Well, we can. We voted Trump in, and his idea is to stop all this shit, and hopefully he can do that. But, you know, man, fuck. It's scary.

01:22:06 Speaker_02
I feel like none of the fucking problems between the Ukraine and Russia would have been exacerbated as far as they went had Trump been in office.

01:22:18 Speaker_03
I'd like to think that.

01:22:19 Speaker_02
I genuinely believe that. He has a way of keeping the peace in a certain way.

01:22:26 Speaker_03
Well, as soon as he got elected, the Taliban said, let's form a truce. You know, Hamas is saying, let's cease fire. Everybody is saying these things like right away. China was saying we'd like to do business with America.

01:22:37 Speaker_03
Russia was saying that, like, let's fucking calm everybody down and stop being so fucking tribal. You're so crazy that you think that everything the left is doing is right because you're on the left. This is insanity.

01:22:50 Speaker_03
And for anybody that's a left-wing progressive person to think that somehow or another missiles are a good thing. God damn it. God damn it, you people are out of your fucking minds. How can you think that's the answer? It's never the answer.

01:23:03 Speaker_03
This is craziness, especially with Russia. God damn. Yep. But anyway, that's the shit that keeps me up at night man.

01:23:13 Speaker_03
Oh, I know when I get paranoid late at night when everyone's asleep That's the thing that gets me a world war the war just because it's happened before man Did the world has been at peace before and then all of a sudden chaos and to think that that can never happen again

01:23:27 Speaker_03
You're wrong. It's happening right now. It's just not happening here. And we don't feel it here. So we don't it doesn't affect our thinking process. And we support things that could lead to it happening here.

01:23:39 Speaker_03
And we don't even realize we're doing it while we're doing it.

01:23:41 Speaker_02
As a human being like wouldn't you think that Keeping yourself and the rest of the population of the world safe is priority number one. It's priority That's number one and peace and by the way, everybody wants peace.

01:23:56 Speaker_03
Everybody wants their children to be happy Everybody wants to be well fed and healthy. Everybody wants that just figure out a way to Fucking balance it all out. Yeah, Jesus Christ Well We got 60 more days until Trump gets in or whatever it is.

01:24:15 Speaker_03
How many days is it Jamie?

01:24:20 Speaker_03
But who knows maybe once it gets in they'll ramp it up who knows maybe they'll sabotage his administration That's what's even more scary people don't want him in power And the people that are in power don't want to leave power and they'll try every way they can to keep it 60 days from today

01:24:35 Speaker_03
All right.

01:24:35 Speaker_02
On the news. 60 days. Keep your fingers crossed. Yeah.

01:24:39 Speaker_03
Just hope Putin understands what's going on as well. And Zelensky doesn't do anything stupid. But saying that Putin's terrified. God damn it.

01:24:46 Speaker_02
It's like you're trying to like tug the tail of a fucking sleeping dragon. Dragon.

01:24:52 Speaker_03
Yeah. Also, Zelensky, can I get a drug test? Can we just get one drug test before we send you any more money? Like, what are you doing? Are you doing a lot of blow over there? Like, this is like blow-like behavior. I'm not responsible for him.

01:25:05 Speaker_03
I wasn't there. But you know what I'm saying? This is like cocaine-like behavior. Putin's fucking scared, man. Yeah. Putin's terrified. Jacked up. We got him. We got him, man. We got him. Like, what are you talking about?

01:25:15 Speaker_03
He has nuclear missiles, you fucking monkeys. Jesus Christ. It's my chance right now. Jesus Christ. Cause destruction. Yeah, Putin should not have invaded Ukraine. Yes, 100%. But don't start World War III. Like, there's gotta be a way to settle this.

01:25:32 Speaker_03
There must be. I gotta put some of this into my music.

01:25:35 Speaker_02
Like, these feelings and like, even the conversations we're having.

01:25:38 Speaker_03
One of my best, my favorite anti-war songs is Ghetto Boys. Fuck a War. Bushwick Bill. Willie D told me he wrote that in 40 minutes.

01:25:48 Speaker_02
I like Ghetto Boys. I love Ghetto Boys. Storytellers like Kool G Rap. Oh, yeah, man. Cock blocking. Yeah. They were the best storytellers. Oh, my God.

01:26:01 Speaker_03
Scarface and Kool G. The L Street Blues. Yeah. No, I love Kool G Rap.

01:26:07 Speaker_02
I'm on the verge of committing murder. It's like a whole fucking plot.

01:26:11 Speaker_03
He had a great flow, too. Yeah. Yeah, he had a great flow. Yeah. Kool G Rap was awesome.

01:26:18 Speaker_02
Hip hop's different these days, man.

01:26:19 Speaker_03
I heard he's like a, someone told me he's a devout religious man now. Really? See if that's true. I always wondered what happened to that dude. That was a guy that I felt like didn't get his due on the world stage.

01:26:32 Speaker_03
People don't respect him for as good as he really was. Because I would tell some young guys about Coogee Rap, but they don't even know who he is. And I play music in the green room. You ever hear the brand new heavies?

01:26:45 Speaker_03
Like the jazz band when they linked up with a bunch of rappers? The Heavy Rhyme Experience? Have you ever heard that album? Of course. Coogee Rap's Death Threat is the best track

01:26:55 Speaker_03
That I play that shit in the green room of the mothership and I was like, what is this man? Yes, he's saying some shit and it's with the brand-new heavies playing the music funky fucking tremendous jazz Tremendous.

01:27:08 Speaker_03
They did a great thing with Gangstar too. Yep. They have a great song with Gangstar too.

01:27:13 Speaker_02
That's on that yeah, I'd love that's where I entered into my Passion and love for hip-hop is that era?

01:27:21 Speaker_03
Yeah That's one of my favorite errors Nas, you know Illmatic Godson, that's like one of that's almost like the Sgt.

01:27:31 Speaker_02
Pepper's a rap. Yeah.

01:27:33 Speaker_03
Yeah, man Oh my god, and how old was he when he made that?

01:27:37 Speaker_02
He was young.

01:27:37 Speaker_03
Real young. One love. Genius. How about Rewind? Rewind is one of the most genius rap songs of all time. It tells a story backwards.

01:27:50 Speaker_03
insane and it's genius and it's it's fun and it's it's the flow's great mind-melting shit i think naz is my all-time favorite lyricist it's like naz and and then everybody else is like i mean i love them all but like to me naz is a special lyricist like his lyrics are special like he's got so many oh moments

01:28:11 Speaker_03
Where you're listening to me and you're like, oh, oh.

01:28:15 Speaker_02
It's not even just punchlines. It's like the whole subject matters. The way he describes.

01:28:19 Speaker_03
The way he hits things. He can paint a picture. He paints a picture. But the way he chooses his words. We were listening to Get Down last night. Oh my god. God damn that's good.

01:28:30 Speaker_02
A word choice. M is to me like one of the really like the greats of that. Saying things in a different amount of syllables or a word that you wouldn't expect. It's just real creative shit.

01:28:42 Speaker_01
Yeah.

01:28:43 Speaker_02
I love Jadakiss and Styles P. I think Jadakiss is like in my top tops. DMX.

01:28:53 Speaker_03
My workout music is Wu-Tang Clan. That's my workout music. Gravel Pit, when you hit in the bag. And whenever we do shows, we have like a ritual.

01:29:04 Speaker_03
Like when we're driving to the arena, especially if we're getting a police escort, which is the craziest shit of all time. You're going to do a show and you got a police escort. And we always listen to Protect Your Neck. Like, oh, we got to play it.

01:29:17 Speaker_03
Like, OK, here we go. Let's go. Protect your neck. Let's go. We're on our way to the arena. And then once we get in the door, I'm your boogeyman. KC and the Sunshine Band.

01:29:27 Speaker_02
Boogeyman, I'm your boogeyman.

01:29:30 Speaker_03
Yeah, like, just to get everything going, like, let's go.

01:29:33 Speaker_02
KC. You mentioned his name, I have to do it. I see him at the Hit Factory in Miami one time. I was like, wow, it's fucking KC. KC and the Sunshine Band. And we meet, and he's like, I saw your MTV Cribs, and I'm just gonna tell you.

01:29:51 Speaker_02
I spend more on my flowers and my orchids than you probably do on your cars every month." I was just like, what? Wow. What a weird flex.

01:30:00 Speaker_03
What a weird flex. I was like, okay. Okay. Cool. I think you're wasting money because that flower is going to die. Right. And I got a Bugatti. So to each his own. Bizarre quotes. That doesn't even make any sense. You're getting robbed. Okay?

01:30:13 Speaker_03
You're getting robbed. Your florist is a piece of shit. Hey, everybody's got their own thing. I know, but you're getting robbed. If you're spending that much money on your flowers, you are getting fucking robbed, sir.

01:30:25 Speaker_02
He's being facetious, but he was making a point.

01:30:27 Speaker_03
But that's a crazy flex. It's also a weird way to introduce yourself to somebody. Yeah, I had just met him. But isn't that one of those things where you used to be on top and you want to show everybody you're still on top?

01:30:37 Speaker_03
Just like you were talking about, like wearing the diamonds and the jewelry. Go up to the guy who's hot right now and say, yeah, I saw your MTV Cribs and guess what? My flowers. Yeah, I spend more money on dirt.

01:30:49 Speaker_02
Dude, I've seen some crazy shit in my life, bro.

01:30:52 Speaker_02
I've had some crazy fucking moments for a fucking poor boy that came from nothing and rose to like a place where it's like, I've seen life on every side of like, I've seen life as a poor boy, I've seen life as making it, made it, blew it, this, that, and I've seen like,

01:31:12 Speaker_02
I remember sitting in St. Barts, I had been invited on the boat of pretty successful, very wealthy Russian people that I knew, I know, and sitting there, chilling, doing my normal, like,

01:31:32 Speaker_02
just hanging thing and I see a battleship pull up, like an actual, like, fucking army or navy, whatever the fuck, boat pull up near us. Somebody gets off the tender, gets on the boat I'm on, and it was Gaddafi's son.

01:31:50 Speaker_03
Whoa.

01:31:51 Speaker_02
Yeah. Like, what the fuck? This is surreal. Was Gaddafi still alive? Yeah, I don't forget what year it was. I think it was like 2008. Okay, yeah. So he's probably still alive. Yeah, Gaddafi's still alive.

01:32:05 Speaker_02
He was telling me how his country is becoming much more like open-minded and normal and this and that. And I had a keyboard. I was like jamming out, playing and shit. I'm just such a fucking weirdo. I was like playing Hava Nagila.

01:32:20 Speaker_02
I'm just like a weirdo, dude. That was funny. But I've seen some shit, man. I've seen the fucking craziest.

01:32:29 Speaker_03
It's a great American story. But that's the great American story, you know? Coming from nothing, chasing your dream, making your dream, fucking up your life along the way, but still alive to tell the story.

01:32:40 Speaker_02
I used to see fucking BMF out at the club all the time. I'd be in the club and I'd be like, these guys over there, they just sent you 20 bottles of Cristal. And you're like, okay, who are they? And they're like, this is the fucking, this is the guys.

01:32:54 Speaker_02
I'm like, okay, cool, thank you guys. They were fucking cool as shit to me every time I'd see them.

01:33:00 Speaker_03
Weird.

01:33:01 Speaker_02
Yeah, I never had any drama. I never had any like crazy situations happen because I think in the terms of like I was providing opportunity for a lot of fucking people trying to make it, like rappers from the streets.

01:33:15 Speaker_02
So people were just always cool with me and I was respectful to everybody around me.

01:33:21 Speaker_03
Did you ever have a communication with that guy who called you the white devil? No. That was it?

01:33:27 Speaker_02
That was it. You never talked to him after that? I knew what I had to do. I had to make my own world and people that love me and be around those people.

01:33:35 Speaker_03
That's a terrible way to think. It's such a terrible way to think that someone, just because of the color of their skin, even though they work with you and you're cool together, that you could just out that person.

01:33:46 Speaker_02
The other side has endured over the beginning of time. It's like, okay, so what, whatever. But it just hurt my feelings because it was my fam, I thought, and I guess I just felt like... Just felt fucked up, and I was like, you know what?

01:34:03 Speaker_02
If anybody knows me, they know that, like, I'm not that devil. Like, I'm the guy that's just loving. like free-spirited, like open-minded, like non-racist.

01:34:15 Speaker_03
Right, but that doesn't sell headlines, buddy.

01:34:17 Speaker_02
Yeah, I know.

01:34:18 Speaker_03
The white devil sells headlines. The white devil gets people feeling better about themselves. I moved to L.A.

01:34:23 Speaker_02
and started working in Trey's camp, and I felt so much love and respect, and like, I was made to feel like what I was bringing to the table, and that crew was like, They were identifying that shit, and they were praising me and making me feel great.

01:34:43 Speaker_03
Well, you know the expression, game recognizes game. Yeah, right? Yeah, that's what it is. People see you, and they hear you, and they see, like, oh, this guy's a wizard. Like, what's going on? OK. You're staying here for a long time, Scott.

01:34:56 Speaker_02
I let a lot of people down, man, when I got heavy into drugs, like the Dr. Dre's of the world. It's like, they're trying to hang in there with me. Like, fuck, bro. Like, at some point. You know, they gotta like put me on timeout, you know? Yeah.

01:35:10 Speaker_03
Well, that's probably good for you too.

01:35:12 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:35:12 Speaker_03
When you disappoint people that you respect and care for, that's like, that's a real emotional rock bottom, you know? And that's, sometimes people need that to course correct.

01:35:24 Speaker_03
If everything's going great, you have no reason to stop doing blow and partying all night. If everything's perfect,

01:35:30 Speaker_03
You know, there's a lot of people that will enable you to keep that life going because they're feeding off of you misery loves company There's that but then there's also people that like all they want to do is Keep you happy because they make a living off of you and so they don't want to rock the boat, right?

01:35:44 Speaker_02
So they don't care like if you're destroying yourself the truth is

01:35:49 Speaker_02
there's two different modes there's the guy that can make music and smokes his weed and fucking eat pizza and just like a normal guy and then when i flip to that other thing the cocaine is not a drug you can really make i feel like good music on.

01:36:09 Speaker_02
It may seem good when you're making it, but when you listen to it the next day, because the emotions, it's like a whirlwind of emotions that you feel when you're in that world, like you really feel like

01:36:23 Speaker_02
happiness, sadness, this, that, the other, like all these things, all within 10 minutes, you could have all these emotions and it's no good. So how are you gonna stay on something that you want to make people feel a certain way? Right.

01:36:37 Speaker_03
That's, I mean, I've never done coke, but everybody that I know does coke says you can't perform on it, it fucks you up, you don't feel right.

01:36:45 Speaker_02
Nah, because you're feeling 20 different emotions inside of a minute. And it's like, you can only think about one thing when you're on it, is that. That's it. So.

01:36:58 Speaker_03
Yeah, there's no real good Coke stories. Not recommended for anybody. I don't know anybody who's got like a great Coke story. No. Maybe one night. But most Coke stories lead to my life fell apart. No happy ending. No. No happy ending.

01:37:11 Speaker_03
No, there's no like Coke advocates. You know, there's a lot of marijuana advocates. They'll tell you, you know, marijuana changed my life. Marijuana made me more compassionate. That's me.

01:37:19 Speaker_03
Marijuana made me a kinder person, more sensitive, you know, more into community, more into love. Nobody says that about cocaine. There's no cocaine fixed my life. My life is kind of a mess. And then I started doing blow.

01:37:32 Speaker_03
And then, man, it all just came together. You know, I realized that's what I need. I was a little, I think I'm a little imbalanced. I just need cocaine every day.

01:37:39 Speaker_02
I remember being so perplexed.

01:37:42 Speaker_02
I don't like throwing people under the bus, so I won't say who it is, but one of the most massive people in the world of technology, in the world of these younger computer guys that became extremely famous, people that started Facebooks and this and that, all that type of shit.

01:38:04 Speaker_02
One of those guys, I'm not gonna say who, but somebody who's fucking so huge, I went to visit him with some friends of mine. I'm sitting at a table, whacking it up, and a dude's telling me that he just had a heart attack a couple of nights before.

01:38:20 Speaker_02
And then he started talking about how Cocaine's one of the most poorly publicized drugs in the world. I was like, what the fuck am I listening to? Me even being under the influence was like, this is frightening.

01:38:33 Speaker_02
This was one of those guys, like one of the big, big, like change the world kind of people.

01:38:40 Speaker_03
So he was telling you he just had a heart attack, but cocaine is awesome.

01:38:42 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:38:45 Speaker_03
And he's super smart, which is even scarier because you can convince yourself that you're right.

01:38:50 Speaker_02
The whole world knows who this guy is. The whole world. I've had many situations where people so selfishly, even knowing I'm recovering or recovered or whatever the fuck you want to call it,

01:39:06 Speaker_02
want to have the opportunity to do something, they'll pull me aside like, I always wanted to do a bump with you. But no, we can't do that, bro. When was the last time you did one? Shit, I mean, I've fallen within the past six months.

01:39:23 Speaker_02
But, you know, I got good people around me now. That's good. And like, the shame and the guilt and everything just prevents you from from enjoying that and even thinking about doing it.

01:39:39 Speaker_03
You can't do it. That's good. That's good. Hey, man, six months is great. Yeah. Six days is great. The whole thing is just you're going to fall. And if you fall, get up. Get up. It's OK. You're a human being. Human beings fuck up.

01:39:52 Speaker_03
They make mistakes, especially when you're dealing with something like addiction. And most people think, that can never be me. That could never be me. I'm not like that. Yeah, it could definitely be you.

01:40:02 Speaker_02
There's things that trigger it, and it's usually pussy. You know what I'm saying? You have no intention whatsoever of doing something, and all of a sudden, it's right there in front of you.

01:40:16 Speaker_02
There's a fucking ass-naked girl, and there's a pile of this, and you had two drinks.

01:40:20 Speaker_03
You're like, look, I've done it before. I could just do it this one time. Yeah, we'll be okay.

01:40:25 Speaker_02
Yeah, we'll be okay. Three days later, you're looking out the window like, ah, what the fuck?

01:40:30 Speaker_03
Bloodshot eyes, you got pink eye. Yeah.

01:40:35 Speaker_02
Yeah, but too much too much going on now man. That's kind of me in the movie with my single with like my album, you know, it's just Well, it seems like you're in a good place. That's great.

01:40:46 Speaker_03
That's awesome. That's awesome Well, it's a I think it's so important for people like you to tell your story raw and unedited like you do Because I think people want to see a person that's been very successful and they want to have this rosy

01:41:02 Speaker_02
View of what their life was like people love to like build you up, but they love tearing you down Oh, yeah, like it becomes like a and then for me Like in my business, it's such a desperate business if

01:41:19 Speaker_02
People know I'm of sound mind and at the top of my game and I'm making some fucking fire ass music. That's a threat for certain people. Of course.

01:41:29 Speaker_02
So they'll block it and they'll perpetuate the rumors and do whatever the fuck to make sure that I don't get behind. They're like a goalie for the artists. So many huge artists, they don't want me to get with them because they know what's gonna happen.

01:41:44 Speaker_02
I'm gonna make better shit.

01:41:46 Speaker_03
People don't like when someone's talented and they don't like when someone's successful because everybody compares themselves to other people That's the real the real problem is the comparison is the thief of joy. Is that Thoreau? Is that what it was?

01:42:01 Speaker_03
Thomas Jefferson. Yeah, Thoreau is most men leave live lead lives of quiet desperation. But comparison is the thief of joy is that's a real thing, man.

01:42:10 Speaker_03
And if you're a person that's looking at someone else's success, and somehow or another wanting to diminish that you're doing it to yourself, whether you realize it or not, you're wasting your own

01:42:21 Speaker_03
Precious life energy on hating on a person and that will take away your gift.

01:42:26 Speaker_03
It'll take away your creativity It'll take away your ability to be present Because they're fools that's why they do in the first place job security It's it's a foolish venture and even if it works even if it works you're doing yourself into because you know You're a piece of shit

01:42:40 Speaker_03
You know that you've done that to a person. You know you've distorted who that person is just because you want to feel better about your own life.

01:42:47 Speaker_03
You want someone to falter so that you don't feel when you're comparing yourself to them, you don't feel inadequate. And that's that's the reason. It's just pettiness, just human weakness. And it's one of its grossest forms. It's not called out enough.

01:43:02 Speaker_03
You know, it's it's it's really it's a disgusting behavior pattern. It's bad for humanity.

01:43:07 Speaker_02
I genuinely feel joy and excitement and happiness for friends or colleagues that have success. Yeah, you should. And it's inspiring. I just see so many others that just... Don't look at it like that. Because they're selfish.

01:43:26 Speaker_03
They're haters. But that's a good thing. And you could say that that's selfish in a way, because when you help people, and when you're inspired by other people's success, and when you enjoy other people's success, you are experiencing a positive thing.

01:43:44 Speaker_03
And that positive thing is one of the most important aspects of life.

01:43:48 Speaker_03
to deny yourself that because you can't control your emotions and you can't control your jealousy and your feelings and to like hate on someone, you're denying yourself an opportunity to feel good.

01:44:01 Speaker_03
And you could genuinely feel happy for everyone's success and still be successful. It doesn't take away your success at all. It's just a mental trap and people need to understand that trap.

01:44:13 Speaker_03
It is insecurity, but it's also a lack of understanding of how your mind works. how the human mind can play little tricks on you and lay traps for you and how jealousy can rear its ugly head and distort your views.

01:44:25 Speaker_02
We fall into certain ways.

01:44:27 Speaker_03
Yes, we fall into certain ways.

01:44:29 Speaker_02
When I was in the fucking the limelight and now I'm like in like Team Hilton, and I'm hanging out with certain people.

01:44:37 Speaker_02
I'm hanging out with some fucking spoiled brat, Lucky Sperm Club-ass fucking degenerates, and basically competing with who could be the most obnoxious in the crew. You don't see that happening until I look back at videos and things.

01:44:55 Speaker_02
I was like, dude, what a chump I was. Doing that I was like slowly but surely like turning into that.

01:45:02 Speaker_02
Yeah, just to be like, I don't know just That's the shit that's fucked up like you have to like really always maintain Who you really are and like not get lost in that shit and like live for others or try and be a

01:45:17 Speaker_03
Did we were we talking about this in the podcast the other day or was it a green room conversation someone said that First personalities are as infectious as diseases can be Someone was saying that people's energy is as infectious as diseases.

01:45:37 Speaker_03
And when you're around someone that has a great personality and very positive, you get infected by that positivity.

01:45:43 Speaker_02
You start exuding that.

01:45:44 Speaker_03
And when you're around shitheads, like fucking dumbasses who just think in a stupid fucking way, you start thinking that way. It's contagious. There's something to it.

01:45:54 Speaker_02
You gotta be careful about the company we keep. Oh my God. This world is so polluted right now.

01:45:59 Speaker_03
It's the most important thing. It's the most important thing is your community, right? Your family, your friends, your community, the people that you associate with. And if you're associating with shitheads, you're gonna have a fucked up experience.

01:46:14 Speaker_02
The less people I come in contact with, for me, it's better. Like, I like being home. I like going to nice restaurants, and I like being home.

01:46:22 Speaker_02
I don't really like going out and fucking... because all that energy rubs off on you, and people's karma, whatever the fuck it is. Yeah.

01:46:30 Speaker_03
The anxiety, everything. All the weirdness of people comparing with each other. Who's got the better watch? Who's wearing the nicer shoes? Like, what the fuck are we doing? All of that. It's stupid. That's good. You're smart. You're wiser.

01:46:44 Speaker_02
Yep, takes time to figure these things out like but but better late than never.

01:46:48 Speaker_03
Yeah, but but you still have the art.

01:46:50 Speaker_02
You still have the desire for the art that through the whole thing lost that passion that we spoke of earlier for a while. And now it's back like a motherfucker.

01:46:59 Speaker_03
Beautiful.

01:47:00 Speaker_02
Yeah, I'm in there like

01:47:03 Speaker_03
That's the American success story. And when you rather that than at the height of your fame with the party and the drugs and the fucking chaos and the falling apart, it's better to just embrace the art.

01:47:13 Speaker_02
That's where the creative... If it's not real, I don't want to fuck with it. I'm not going to chase checks to work on music. I'm going to work on what's great. And that's how you fucking do what's right.

01:47:25 Speaker_02
You stay in your lane and you do what's... Is there any way to play the single I got coming? I think I have it, but I'm gonna show you this girl's 21. Is there a picture that you can? You don't have a picture?

01:47:39 Speaker_02
It's like a, it's like a, I have a single cover.

01:47:43 Speaker_03
I just have the song. I can Google it or something.

01:47:45 Speaker_02
No, it's all good. I'll show you, but the girl is like organic. Like she doesn't need auto-tune. She's not like, like she's real. So this is just an example. Auto-tune is a wild thing. Yeah. Abby Stare. Texture.

01:48:03 Speaker_02
I mean, I don't see this every day in, like, artists. It's usually, like, some... Put it in here.

01:48:17 Speaker_00
Wow. She's a writer, too. Hold on. You're finally gone, but at least I have some leniency. And I may feel something just because you don't. And a girl falling hard, no, it ain't for the weak. So don't try this at home. I guess it's a funny game still.

01:48:55 Speaker_00
It's your last, last, last, last. My faith would die to waste if I'd go back to that place. I know, I know, I know. I'd rather fly away or wait 10 times longer to feel the right way on my own. My faith would die to waste if I'd go back to that place.

01:49:34 Speaker_00
I know, I know, I know. Wait 10 times longer to feel the right way on my own. Mama told me if you can't live without something, then you gotta give it up. Can't live with it either. I guess I'm the problem when it's all said and done.

01:49:58 Speaker_00
You laugh at your fun. I got the last one. Something told me. So what you're listening to is a girl. That's an amazing voice. She writes that shit. See the conviction.

01:50:26 Speaker_02
If you get a songwriter, a big fancy songwriter, to work with some girl and teach her how to have emotion, it's not the same as, there she is. It's a lot of Amy Winehouse vibes. Amy Winehouse vibes in that song.

01:50:40 Speaker_02
In this fact that it's both organic, it's different.

01:50:43 Speaker_03
No, not different, not like she's copying Amy Winehouse, but that vibe of authenticity.

01:50:48 Speaker_02
Yeah, she's a real... She's 21? Damn. And the emotion is there that comes from... And she writes all that. Yeah, she's like... That's incredible. That shit is not something like that could be taught. Put that up again, Jamie?

01:51:00 Speaker_03
Is that available right now? Can I get that?

01:51:02 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:51:02 Speaker_03
I'm gonna add that shit to my Spotify playlist. I'm gonna put that on the Green Room playlist right now.

01:51:10 Speaker_02
on my own. Yep. That's gonna be the first one. Look, I'm showcasing her. That's my, this is my single. It's Scott Storch featuring Abby Stair.

01:51:18 Speaker_02
But, um, she, we're, you know, I'm part of the making of her physical, her album, which is already has a bunch of stuff that she made on her own that she made and then stuff I've did with her and 1217 Records, me and my partner, Kevin. Um, yeah, we're

01:51:39 Speaker_02
That voice is amazing, man. Oh, she's dope. And, you know, I got some great records.

01:51:44 Speaker_02
I got records with A-list celebrities, like, you know, it's not exciting to play, like, for me, a record with somebody who has already sold millions and millions of records, like, for my project. I want a break. I made a habit in my career of

01:52:00 Speaker_02
Breaking artists and like I've like I did Chris Brown's first song and I told him sitting in the studio I was gonna make you a hit record today.

01:52:09 Speaker_02
He was like 15 16 and we made run it that day I've done a lot of you know when I came back into the business after my like dark period of just not doing anything and except doing drugs which lasted eight nine years I

01:52:26 Speaker_02
I met Steve LaBelle and Steve, not only were we partners on the rehab center, but he was helping me get back into the music thing. And I was like, yo, get me a meeting with Jay-Z. Get me Beyonce. Get me all the people I made hits for.

01:52:40 Speaker_02
He's like, fuck no. They're not going to want to work with you right now. Show them what you're doing. I'm going to give you the best blueprint.

01:52:47 Speaker_03
Some people like to jump the gun.

01:52:48 Speaker_02
Yeah, he's like. This artist, this artist, this artist, this artist. These are all new artists. You don't know who they are. But if you make them fire, everybody's going to look at you like you're a fucking get the Heisman trophy again.

01:53:02 Speaker_02
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. One by one, every single one of those artists that he put me with that were nobodies at this point. are all huge right now. Trippie Redd, A Boogie, Roddy Ricch, Russ, who's one of my favorites. I love Russ.

01:53:22 Speaker_02
I don't know if you're familiar with his music. He's got something to say. He's the man. You gotta fuck with Russ. He's a really serious artist today.

01:53:32 Speaker_02
I've seen this guy without radio because he has a fan base, a cult fan base, because what he does is so real. Without radio or any shit, he's selling out arenas by himself. That's amazing. Yeah, it's amazing.

01:53:47 Speaker_03
I love that that's happening today. They've kind of taken the gatekeeper. The gatekeeper is out of the equation now. All something has to do is be good and get it online.

01:53:58 Speaker_02
He released 200 songs in one year, just like SoundCloud or whatever the fuck it was called.

01:54:04 Speaker_03
Wow. 200 songs in a year?

01:54:06 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:54:06 Speaker_03
Holy shit.

01:54:07 Speaker_02
And he just started that consistency. Yeah. People just became an acquired taste.

01:54:14 Speaker_03
So you love watching people make it?

01:54:16 Speaker_02
Yeah, I like being responsible for that. It's more of a challenge than just, oh, I'm going to make Drake a hit. You know, I really want to work with Drake, but I've been roadblocked with Drake. I know Drake loves

01:54:27 Speaker_02
me and my production, but for whatever reason, I haven't been able to get in.

01:54:34 Speaker_03
I want to get a hold of Drake and talk to him about his fight picks. That motherfucker loses more money on fights. Before it's over, I need to get a record off with him.

01:54:45 Speaker_02
I want to get a record off with him.

01:54:47 Speaker_03
Wasn't Jon Jones a 600-to-1 favorite? I mean, well, he had it by KO. It wasn't just a win, but yeah.

01:54:52 Speaker_02
Well, that's what I would have said anyway.

01:54:54 Speaker_03
I mean, I would not have thought Jon would have... I mean, that's an easy bet.

01:54:58 Speaker_02
I want to get a record off with Rihanna, too. I had a very uncomfortable meeting with Rihanna, and I'm mortified to this day.

01:55:05 Speaker_03
Uncomfortable because of the cocaine?

01:55:06 Speaker_02
No.

01:55:07 Speaker_03
What happened?

01:55:08 Speaker_02
I, she was in a VIP in New York years and years ago and doing her thing and whatever. And they like, obviously people know who I am. So they didn't front on me. They let me up into her table. This was a greenhouse and back in the day.

01:55:22 Speaker_02
And I introduced myself and whatever. And I gave her a hug and I fucking got hooked onto her hoop earring.

01:55:30 Speaker_01
My clothes got hooked on and like, don't move, don't move, don't move.

01:55:34 Speaker_02
No, it was, shit's gonna. I almost ripped her fucking ear off accidentally. Oh no. That walk out of that VIP room was the most mortified, most embarrassing shit I ever fucking felt in my life. Oh, she's cool. I bet she doesn't even remember that.

01:55:46 Speaker_02
Did I just really do that? It wouldn't mean to get her earring. But that's an accident. I know, but still. That's an accident. You're that guy at that moment. Oh no. That guy. So yeah, it haunts me.

01:55:57 Speaker_03
If I only didn't hook up with that earring. You want to make a good impression and you get her ear ripped off. Yeah. Yeah.

01:56:04 Speaker_02
Whatever, life is full of surprises.

01:56:09 Speaker_03
Yeah. So, your favorite thing seems to be breaking new people then. Is it because you get to show the world new talent? Does it remind you of you when you were getting your breaks?

01:56:21 Speaker_02
You're helping sculpt what somebody's sound is gonna be, the backbone of where they started, like creating something new. And I think that's a... To me, my sound has always been to not have a sound and have different genetic strains of music.

01:56:42 Speaker_02
I call them different things that I brought to the table that nobody else was doing. And then when people start doing it so much, you're honored, copying you, and then you move on to the next thing.

01:56:52 Speaker_02
But with artists, you get to concoct some kind of new vibe with them. I did Beyonce's first solo album, We Made a Sound, and we did three smashes. I did three straight smashes out of three songs I did.

01:57:10 Speaker_02
One was Baby Boy, Naughty Girl, and Me, Myself, and I. And at that point, I had just moved from L.A., and I had been working with Dre for so many years, and I'm looking at Dre, I'm like,

01:57:28 Speaker_02
Dre has his empire, and I need to go off and create my empire, not competing, but doing something different within music, and not using that sound that he and I created and sculpted together, which was like the new wave of West Coast music.

01:57:45 Speaker_02
I moved back to Florida, to Miami, where I hadn't been in eons, because I went from Florida as a kid I lived there until I was 15, and I moved to Philly with my dad, and then from Philly to L.A.

01:58:03 Speaker_02
And now I'm going from back, you know, to go start my own little world. I'm now rich, okay? And I go home to Florida. I'm rich, and I'm ready to fucking make my own little sound and shit, create some shit.

01:58:16 Speaker_02
Beyonce was one of the first contestants, and we fucking solidified that shit. and made history with that album. I remember she did the Grammys, and she thanked God, and then she thanked me first. And I was like, I have it up.

01:58:34 Speaker_02
It was one of the biggest honors in the world. And we made history. And that's the ultimate thing that I want to continue to do, is I want to do that with Abby. And I feel like once I get driven like that, there's nothing can stop me.

01:58:54 Speaker_03
That's beautiful Scott's been great talking to you man. I really appreciate it appreciate you coming down here. It's been a lot of fun Wow, we did three hours. It's close like two and a half hours now. It's crazy.

01:59:05 Speaker_02
Yeah, I could talk right?

01:59:06 Speaker_03
Yeah, man Well, you got good stories Yeah, good story. And you have a good story. Your story is a good story. And like I said, I think it's a great story for people to hear. That's why people like biographies. People like to find out, was it easy for you?

01:59:22 Speaker_03
Why am I struggling? What is this struggle like? Is it the same for everybody? When you're struggling yourself, you think you're alone. And when you have a dream and you don't know if it's going to come true, you go, was everybody like this?

01:59:33 Speaker_02
Nothing great comes easy.

01:59:35 Speaker_03
Nothing. Nothing.

01:59:36 Speaker_02
Thank you for having me.

01:59:37 Speaker_03
My pleasure, brother. Pleasure to meet you. Pleasure to hang with you. My man. Appreciate you very much. Sure. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye.