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Episode: #2229 - Jeff Dye

Author: Joe Rogan
Duration: 02:28:52

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Jeff Dye is a stand-up comic, actor, and broadcast personality. His YouTube special "The Last Cowboy in LA" premieres on November 14.

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In episode #2229 of The Joe Rogan Experience, host Joe Rogan engages with comedian Jeff Dye, exploring themes such as humor derived from personal experiences with pets and relationships. Jeff shares insights from his own tumultuous upbringing, mirroring challenges faced in modern society, particularly around identity, authenticity, and the pressures of technology. The discussion also delves into the complexities of social dynamics, group behavior, and the nuances of comedy, emphasizing how laughter can be both a reflection of and a response to cultural tensions. Ultimately, the episode highlights the pursuit of genuine connections in an increasingly polarized world.

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

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I used to have a dog that had terrible... I mean, I don't know how to... I'm always traveling, and also, like, I'm not real good with discipline of, like, someone else, you know? Like, I don't know how to train a dog. So I just let him do anything.

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So I think it was hilarious. He'd be, like, chewing on something. I'd be like, check that out. They're like, he shouldn't do that. I was like, eh, fuck it, let him... Like, I just liked the idea that he was wild. It made me happy.

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It's very bad, though, if, you know, your dog bites somebody.

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Oh, he's always just humping stuff.

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What kind of dog? He was a Ridgeback.

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Oh, Rhodesian Ridgeback? Yeah. Oh. But in my mind, I'm like, well, why do I want to rain tyranny on this dog and be like, he needs to sit.

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I kind of liked that he was like this little psycho that would hump things. That's fun, but you've got to be able to control them.

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Yeah, I know. I couldn't. Yeah.

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How old were you back then?

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I was young, like 31 or something at the time. I was like young. It's not that young. You're young to me, dude. I didn't become an adult for a while. For like six months ago.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, about four years, I think, is when.

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No, but that dog, I would open the door, he would just dart. And I was like, yeah, this dog is unhinged. I let him wolf.

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You liked it. Yeah, I liked it. That's crazy. He was cool. Yeah, I've had some crazy dogs, but it's like, you got to train them. I know. They have to listen to you. I had a lot of pit bulls when I was younger. Oh, nice. They have to listen.

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You look like a pit bull. They have to have a sense that you're the boss. You have to be kind and sweet and you love them. But you're the boss. Like, you have to train them. I trained my dog diligently.

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I was like, treat, sit, stay, make him stay for five minutes, and then give him a big treat and hug him and kiss him. You gotta, like, make sure they fucking listen.

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Well, that was the problem. Is that I would literally, like, he would be doing something and I'd be like, he doesn't respect me. And I would think like it was just it was that's as simple as it was my dog He saw me as like a cool guy.

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He didn't respect. He was your friend Yeah, exactly So like I would leave him with his dog trainer in Sherman Oaks and the dog trainer would send me videos and he'd be like look And I would I would think look at me. My money's going to good.

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He look at what my dogs doing He's doing a little turn and but it's cuz he respected that guy. I And so then he would come back to my house. He'd just piss on the couch while he's laying there. And I'm going, wait, what was all that stuff he learned?

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He goes, my dog's looking at me going, not for you. Yeah, you're my friend. Yeah, you're the cool guy.

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You're my fucking roommate, bro. We're buds.

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We're both dogs. Which is a metaphor for my life, too. Like, I was the fun piss on the couch guy. But at some point, you got to grow up and be disciplined.

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You really do. Yeah. And you don't have as much fun, but the fun that you have, you appreciate. Oh, for sure. Yeah, because it's like, it's not out of control. Yeah.

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My dog that I have now is the first dog that I've ever had that was so easy to train, it was like I didn't even train him. And it's a golden?

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Aren't they kind of dumb?

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No, my dog's very smart. What's the dumb breed? They're just sweet. They're sweet, so people think they're dumb, but he understands words. Like, I'll say, not that door, dude. Let's go in the side door. And he turns around and goes towards the side door.

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He gets it. He's a fucking smart dog, but training him was like that. Really? Oh my God. First of all, Goldens have no resistance. They don't want to fight.

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They don't want to they never growl at people They never if they bark it's they see something weird. They never bark at people like they're just the sweetest dog They just want you to be their friend.

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So I teach them to sit was like real easy It was like sit I push his butt down And then I'd give him a little treat. And then I'd say, sit. And he'd just sit down.

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Love it.

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And I'd give him a treat. Yeah. And then next day, it was like, sit. He sat. Pat him on the head. Give him a kiss. Now he just listens.

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Which is also the metaphor for humans. We like to have a little approval. Like it's less of the treat and the pat on the head.

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I made dad happy. Yeah, they're the most like people, those dogs. They're the most like people.

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What's the dumb breed? Because I don't want to keep doing this.

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Oh, there's a lot of dumb breeds.

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Sometimes I'll see like a Dalmatian, and then I'll ask that one.

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Poor little Carl.

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Carl's not the brightest, but his brain's the size of my thumb.

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He doesn't have a big head.

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They're cute, though.

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That's the thing.

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I fucking love the shit out of that dog. He's so jacked, too. Look how jacked he is. His little muscles. He's in constant shape. Well, him and Marshall go to war.

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When Marshall's here, Carl gets so tired from playing with my dog, because my dog doesn't fight back, so he just totally takes advantage of it. I love it. Just throws himself at him like a torpedo. But when it's over, he can't breathe.

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He's like... Oh, yeah, yeah, because he was bred to not wrestle. He's got no nose.

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He's got no fucking nasal cavity. It is a weird dog. That used to be a wolf. They look like aliens.

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But it's so fucking weird that humans turned a wolf into that fucking thing. I think it's our best invention. It's a pretty cool job. Not saying it's an ethical thing or a smart thing.

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It's kind of like, you know, if you knew what you were doing to a wolf, it's kind of fucked up. But it doesn't need to survive.

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That thing's, yeah, he's got James, he's got us, he's in the safest place in America right now.

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Like when you see those ladies that carry him around in little purses, got a dog carrying around with their purse. That used to be a wolf. That's wild.

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They're trying to do that to us. I know. That's the problem. Just keep your dogs.

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Don't change me. If Kamala won, we would have been one step closer to poodles.

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Every day I was getting closer. That's why I'm single too.

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Just trying to hold on to any freedom I got. You gotta find someone that you jive with that gets you. That's what's hard. People want to change people. Girls look at guys, they look at some guys like a project.

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Like, I know he doesn't want to settle down, I know he doesn't want this, but if I could just get him to start changing the way he dresses. I know. And then I'll get him to do things. Open the car door for me, like my hands don't work.

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I know. I'm still, I'm the Ridgeback we were just talking about. Where I'm going, just let me be wild. I'll spend like 24 hours with a woman. And I just enjoy every second of it.

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I enjoy every- like all the affection, the door opening, I enjoy these kind of things, you know, taking care of someone, showing them how cool- Do you open up the car door?

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Yeah, I do that.

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I like that. I'll show them my life, you know, hey, these are my comedy buddies and watch me go kill on stage. Oh, I got this, I'll pay for everything. And about like at a 24 hours in my brain, I'm like, I gotta get out of this. Like how do I reset?

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Maybe you're overdosing. Maybe it's like binge drinking. Yeah, maybe. You know, if you have a glass of wine with dinner, you don't feel like, oh, get that fucking wine away from me.

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That is true.

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But if you drink like Burt Kreischer, you drink fucking boxes of wine. Burt, we get on the treadmill and drink a box of wine on the treadmill.

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Bert suffers from the same disease Patrice had. He doesn't know how, like he's so this one-of-a-kind person that everything he says and all the advice he tries to give don't work for anyone else because he's one-of-a-kind.

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So he'll say, here's what you gotta do and you go, that doesn't apply to me. Do you know what I'm saying? We can't be on a treadmill, drinking a box of wine, and then go to a show for 200 grand. We're different people.

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He can keep going. I've never seen anyone like him. He's a freak athlete, believe it or not. I believe that. Tom Segura played him in a game of tennis, and Tom got a tennis coach. They had this big tennis match.

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They even did it on one of those Your Mom's House live screens. They made a big deal out of it. Big tennis match. Burt destroyed him. Drunk, hungover, giant belly, serves like a pro. He said he literally serves like a fucking Division 1 college player.

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I didn't know that about him.

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That's pretty impressive.

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He goes, what the fuck? He goes, his serve is insane.

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That makes total sense. I mean, I'm like somewhat surprised by it. He's like a John Daly type. Yeah, just got it.

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Yeah, he just knows how to do stuff. He's also got this bizarre confidence that allows him to not have anxiety about trying new things. Great for this business. Oh yeah, just dives in, takes his shirt off.

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Look at me.

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Just thinking like because early he went on something where he was gone if if you if someone tells you to quit drinking Don't stop drinking tell them to shut up drinking is the best thing I got Jesus Christ You know me alcoholics are hearing this right now Bert like some people should quit some people shouldn't I get what he's trying to do I get the point that he was trying to do but in my mind especially this boom Oh, that was beautiful

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He hit it over the fence.

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Yeah, but the form of that was beautiful.

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What did he do there? I think he aced him. Oh, he did ace him.

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Oh, Tom's flustered. Yeah, he's really good. Tom's just happy he didn't snap his leg here. Boom! Yeah, look at that fuckin' serve!

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Bro, it's got a curve to it, too. Oh, that's great. Also, Burt looks fit here. It's the outfit. That's for him. For him, he's fit. He loses weight. He gets way down, then he binges up again. He gets crazy again. He lost like 60 pounds and got real fit.

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Didn't drink for like three months. Yeah. And then he just goes crazy again. Yeah.

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Has a good time. I love him though. But I was just saying like the advice thing. Like, did you ever work with Patrice or know him good? Yeah. One time I'm in New York. This is the late, great Patrice I knew.

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I'm going through a thing with a girl at the time. You know people ask you how you're doing, and if you're sad. I'm a pretty honest guy. Just go You know this my girlfriend's driving me crazy.

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She's back it Or you know the apartment and when I was in New York She's back. I'm just stressing me out. I need to get on stage have a good time have some drinks I need to like just whatever he goes.

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Here's what you do, man You're a good-looking guy, and I was like yeah, I'm thinking I'm gonna get advice from Patrice. You know this is great. Oh He goes, you're a good looking guy, man. Bring another girl home. Right? Is that what he said?

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He like goes, I've seen the way these girls look at you around there. You find one of these bitches. You have a good time. Don't worry about what's back at the apartment. Then when the time comes, bring her back.

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Bring her back to your apartment and say, yo, this is me. This is, you know, you got to deal with this shit. And if you ain't, and I was like. Patrice, you're my hero. I love you.

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Terrible advice. Terrible advice.

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You're going to get me murdered. You're going to get murdered. Also, that's just not the type of women I hang out with. They're not going to be fine with that.

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Yeah, that's a very specific type of woman. I couldn't believe it. Who are probably going to murder you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, time's ticking on that, exactly.

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I have a friend of mine that said that he was going to, I talked to my girlfriend, and they're doing a threesome. And I had the same exact feeling as someone saying to me, hey, I started making my own bombs. Right, you go, don't do this.

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But I think that that's what you should think when you hear your heroes or Burt tell you anything Just just just know their lives are different than yours Yeah, there's some certain one-of-a-kind people that you just gotta say like not everybody could do that Yeah, like Burt went got a liver screen and cancer.

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Oh, he's fine. Yeah, he's fine.

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You can do it.

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He's fine He gets his health checked and his health is fine. He's 50 years old. Yeah, he's still going hard How old is Burt now? He's got to be deep into his 40s

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But Bert will be like, don't quit drinking, have a good time. And then some guy's like, I'm hitting my wife again, dude, this boozes.

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He was probably drunk when he said that, you know, like you probably got that. He probably took some time off and then had a drink, started feeling good. I want to tweet some advice.

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Yeah, it was one of those things. Because I love him. And a lot of the comments were like, oh, another comedian not understanding another comedian. I was just like, no, it's not that. I love Bert.

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If you knew our relationship, you'd get it, like where we're good. Just want people to know if you do have a problem.

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It's okay to quit, you know, especially you as a person who quit Yeah, I was just saying, you know, this is a sensitive subject for some people it is because look I have certain friends that Have recovered from alcoholism and this one buddy that I had that used to drink He would drink and then his eyes would glaze over like a shark's.

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Yeah, like the pupils would be gone and he wasn't there anymore I go Bob's gone. Now. This is fucking drunk Bob drunk Bob totally different human being. Yeah for sure. I

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He would black out all the time, not remember things, like, you don't remember what you did. Like, he didn't remember anything. I was that guy. I would be fun, fun, fun, till it wasn't fun. Dude, I think it's a genetic thing. Yeah.

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I mean, I'm guessing, but I've never had that. Yeah. So I've got to assume that it's a genetic thing. I've gotten fucked up before. Right. I've gotten really drunk. I've never, like, I need to get drunk. I've never been like, I need to get drunk.

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But I have friends that- I have one gear, dude. So there's a thing, yeah.

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One gear. One gear. If we're gonna smoke weed, I smoke all the weed. You know what I'm saying?

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If we're doing coke, you're going to Tijuana.

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Right, yeah, I become king coke guy, you know? Why do one Viagra when I can do six Viagras? You know, like, I just don't have a... And that's why also, like, it works to my benefit.

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You know, the first time I said I'm gonna do stand-up, I never stopped. Like, I was up there. I was obsessed. Did you ever get hit in the head real hard? Um, yeah, I played a lot of, like, sports growing up. So, yeah, I got hit.

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I've had two really serious concussions where I went to the hospital. Yeah. You think that's it?

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Yes.

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Oh, interesting. Yeah, I had two big ones where I lost a week.

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I mean, I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist, but I do know that that is one of the side effects of brain injury is that you lose impulse control. Interesting. Yeah, I've got no governor.

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Which works good, you know, it works for some things like like I said when I'm hanging out with a girl like I'm best boyfriend ever I'm right, you know, but and then it's a gotta be extremely not right, you know, there's kind of these extremes Yeah, you gotta get to know someone if you're diving in with someone for 24 hours 48 hours You just met I'm like the chances of you guys jiving Perfectly or not that good.

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It's like

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Not even 50-50. If you get lucky, you find the girl of your dreams. And then, hey, we've been together. We hung out together for two days in a row. And then, fuck, we were married six months later. And we live happily ever after. That's real.

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I've met people like that. It can happen. But generally, first of all, when you meet someone, you're barely meeting them. You're meeting the thing that they put on when they want someone to like them. It's performative a little, for sure.

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I always say to young guys, try to become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid. Wait, say that again. Try to be- Become the person that you're pretending to be when you're trying to get laid. I like that.

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Just be that person and you never have to pretend.

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I love that. I believe that outside of the idea of relationships. So like I always say like, and I probably heard this somewhere, read it somewhere, but like the idea of like, you can be like your heroes. Yes.

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You know, like, what do you like about the person you say you like? Right. They're kind. Okay, so just be kind. That's what people like, you know? Or, oh, I like that guy because he's down-to-earth. Yes. So then you should try to be down-to-earth.

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You know, you should be like the people, you know? And you can also have anti-heroes. Me and my parents have a very tumultuous relationship. And so, that's a positive for me. Because I'm going, I don't want to be like that.

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Or that quality that I don't want to be like. For me, it was always lazy people. I had like a severe disdain for lazy people, like an aggressive disdain. I'd be angry at people if they were lazy when I was a young man.

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It's because I was so scared of being lazy. I was so scared of being a loser that if I saw any laziness in people, I'd get angry.

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Which is weird because you love pot. Yeah, but that a lot of pot guys are just they're happy with their laziness. Yeah, it's not me, man I know you're the opposite. You're like the most productive pothead.

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I've ever known it's not a to me.

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It doesn't slow me down It makes me think more and when I think more I think about all the shit I need to get done and I think about like how I'll feel if I don't accomplish what I want to accomplish like if I don't put it in the work Yeah, I start freaking out

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What's your exact strand? Because that's the one everyone needs. Whatever the strand is you're doing. I like sativas over indicas, but I don't like to get super duper high. I just, I know, it's like drunk. It's like, I like two drinks.

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Two drinks and I go on stage, I'm the life of the party. We're all friends!

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Come on, what's up?

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Four drinks, and I'm like, what did I just talk about five minutes ago? Make sure I don't repeat my jokes. Make sure I don't bring up something that I'm not sure where it goes yet. I didn't look at my notes before I went on stage. I can't.

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Four drinks is too much.

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Or you go, I'll scrap these first four parts of the bit and just do this joke. And you're like, why'd you scrap those?

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I don't know, I was drunk. I just jumped right to that part. Pop makes me really consider all the things I'm not doing. It makes me call friends and check in on them. Love that. Yeah, it makes me way more kind and compassionate and friendly.

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I wanna hug people.

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Mushrooms does that for me.

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Same thing, yeah.

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Yeah, that one was like a life-changing thing for me. Yeah. Because I was like, I don't know, I'm trying to explain something scientific that I don't know nothing about, but if I had to describe how it felt, it felt like it connected things for me.

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Where I was like, oh, I need to be a little bit more, I need to work on this, or I need to check in with so-and-so, or I need to let go of that. And that was all because of, I kind of came back a different guy after Mushrooms.

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Well, I think one of the primary things that it does is it dissolves your ego. And the ego, I think, is a giant cage that we all live in.

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And you can kind of see the world from outside the cage, but the ego is there protecting you from reality sometimes.

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The ego's there protecting you from your understanding of your own mistakes, which we all have, and some people bullshit themselves, but they keep it in the back of their head.

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The ego is what's doing all that for you, and it's doing that as like this little shield, this little cage that you put in that allows you to move through the world, and mushrooms just

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takes that down and then you just get to see the world for what it really is and see you for where you really are and then see like some of the behaviors you that you always regret about yourself. Why am I doing that? What is that?

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And then you can kind of see the the roots of it all or and you see the cause and effect of interactions with people. I remember one time I had a psychedelic experience and I was closing my eyes and I saw positive thoughts as a different pattern.

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Like I had a negative thought and the pattern turned like dark and then I had a positive thought like, oh no, don't think negative. And it went, ah, like flowered open, these beautiful patterns.

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And then it was like the thing, like the mushroom was telling me that's the way to go. Right. That's the way to go.

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That perception. Yeah.

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You can lean into negativity if you want to. You want to be a cunt. There's plenty of cunts out there. Yeah. But there's people out there that are doing that. They're filled with anxiety. It's wrecking their life. Dude.

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Nice people love nice being wronged.

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Yeah, it's such a treat for them to hold on to their wrong How many things they've been wronged and the and so like that's such a great way to describe that Because really the my failures and my flaws and the things I want to work on and all that stuff are the connection Like that's when like when I was able to go man I think I really have a problem here and I need I need some help people were excited to help me and

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Because it gave them a chance to help and serve and connect. And so as opposed to me thinking I needed to pretend I didn't have a problem or they wouldn't be my friends, it made them so much better friends knowing like, oh, we can help them.

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And that's just, I keep using sobriety as an example, but just in general, the connection is that.

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Connection's everything. Like real connection with people is everything. And you got to have good people around you. Like this whole idea of being nice and being cool. Some people can't be nice.

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They're surrounded by assholes surrounded by people that are fucking with them and taking from them and ruining their life and Interjecting in their life, and it's like oh they have to stand up for themselves for sure But you've got at least aspire to get into a better situation in life and surround yourself somehow There's a way I've done it you've done it surround yourself with nice people.

00:20:50 Speaker_06
It can be done Yeah, find a group find a friend find a church find it and also whatever that person so that you attract those people again Try figure it out.

00:21:01 Speaker_10
I was describing my buddy Chris the other day like like what I think the problem is With kind of like modern times and that's kind of vague, but it's like I see I've always seen my life as like

00:21:13 Speaker_10
I got dealt a card of hands, you know, some of those cards real good and some of the cards not good, but that's the hand I was dealt. We've all been dealt some hand of cards. A lot of people bad ones, some people really good ones.

00:21:23 Speaker_10
We've just been dealt a hand. And I thought to myself, how can I play these cards? I didn't start bitching about the rules of poker. Like, I didn't start going, hey, dealer, maybe we should change the whole board.

00:21:36 Speaker_10
Like, no, I just, all I can do is play my hand. And I think that's kind of how I'm viewing modern times, where people would rather complain about the rules of poker instead of just playing their hands the best way they could.

00:21:50 Speaker_06
Well, it's outcasts for the first time get collectively as a group Then act like bullies. So they act like people have acted to them like the most, you know, it's that old expression hurt people hurt people Right. So the nastiest meanest people online

00:22:07 Speaker_06
I find, other than white radical, white supremacist Nazis and shit, just you're talking about social issues, the meanest people are the left-wing people, for whatever reason. Especially now.

00:22:17 Speaker_06
And this is not to say there's not some cunts out there that are right-wing people, there's a ton of them. But it's commonplace for people who consider themselves good, kind people to say things like, punch a Nazi.

00:22:29 Speaker_06
And then they get to define what a Nazi is and has nothing to do with a swastika, nothing to do with hating Jews. You know, you just be voted Republican. Oh, you're a fascist. Okay. You tell me, first of all, what does that mean?

00:22:41 Speaker_06
You tell me what that means. Tell me what that word, define that word. You throw that word around so often. And there's a lot of definitions of that word, right wing, authoritarian government, all that stuff. But also, like,

00:22:57 Speaker_06
Forcing people to behave and think in a certain way.

00:23:00 Speaker_10
That's what they hate about religion.

00:23:01 Speaker_06
Yeah.

00:23:02 Speaker_10
They claim they hate religion because religious people tell them what to think and do.

00:23:05 Speaker_06
It's a religion.

00:23:05 Speaker_10
And then they do a religious act of being like a liberal going, if you don't think like me, you must be bad. Racism is their devil. And it's okay to hate the devil. And so they try to hate it.

00:23:16 Speaker_06
You know Mark Andreessen is he's a brilliant venture capitalist like super genius guy and been on my podcast a couple times He broke the whole woke thing down as a religion and like it is explained how you can get Excommunicated yep and cast out and that's and people are fearful of that.

00:23:34 Speaker_06
So they stay inside the lines. Yeah, there's a doctrine They all follow they're using race Because guess what, who'd want to be friends with a racist? It's not just race. It's also gender. It's also like stupid shit. Like you can be non-binary.

00:23:44 Speaker_06
If you're a white man, you got nowhere to go. Hey, I can't even be like fucked with. Like nothing, no one's discriminating against me. You can become non-binary. Sure. They're like, oh great. You can still fuck girls.

00:23:55 Speaker_06
You just have to say you're a they them.

00:23:57 Speaker_10
Well for like in my, like for what I've, like in my observation, like the left used to be really like the cool, the progressive side, the nice side, the good side. Whereas to now, like I'm like, listen to yourselves. You don't like rich people.

00:24:09 Speaker_10
You're mad at everyone wealthy. You're mad at the super wealthy. You hate gym bros. You hate frat guys. You hate straight white guys. You hate boomers. You're mad at your grandparents. You seem to not like a lot of people for being the most accepting side.

00:24:26 Speaker_06
Just completely generalizing.

00:24:28 Speaker_10
Also, where's our empathy?

00:24:29 Speaker_10
I think what if I ever met like a crazy right-wing which I never have met any of these Nazis they're talking about but if I did meet one I Believe that I could have some empathy for them and some sympathy and go they're just dumb.

00:24:42 Speaker_10
Yeah, they're not evil They can be like convinced.

00:24:47 Speaker_06
Otherwise, they're also they're also programmed, right? It's generally they're programmed by the people around them and

00:24:54 Speaker_10
Yeah, but where's our empathy?

00:24:55 Speaker_10
I watched this documentary on Netflix It was about like the KKK and the woman who made the documentary was like a kind of a cute Muslim girl And she like interviewed actual white nationalists and and KKK members and she brings them into this thing and what I learned from that documentary What I got from it was that like, oh they don't even really believe this.

00:25:13 Speaker_10
They just wanted a group. They wanted a daddy They wanted someone to like so they thought to themselves I can hate black people I mean if

00:25:21 Speaker_10
If they're over there, I don't ever have to confront one, and I don't ever have to be... We will meet a black guy, they'll go, well, not you, we're talking about the idea. They're not even talking about that actual person.

00:25:32 Speaker_10
And the girl in the documentary goes, well, you know that you let me in, and you've been very nice to me, and I'm a Muslim woman. And the guy's like, well, not you. We're talking about, yeah. So it's because they just wanted a group like you.

00:25:43 Speaker_10
They just wanted a group like black gang members or Hispanic, MS-19, whatever these groups are. Whatever your little lesbian group is, whatever your baseball team is, they've needed a group.

00:25:54 Speaker_06
And their group was like, I can hate some people I've never seen before. Yeah, and that's why it's so dangerous, like, groups, like, where they can get entrapped. Because the Governor Whitmer case, do you know that case?

00:26:08 Speaker_06
These guys conspired to kidnap the governor of Michigan? Michigan? Yeah. And there's 14 people involved. 12 of them were FBI informants. Oh, yeah.

00:26:21 Speaker_09
So you got these two dudes who just wanted to be in a group.

00:26:24 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's it.

00:26:24 Speaker_09
Two guys. Hey, man, we're going to kidnap you. We're going to take over the government. Fuck yeah.

00:26:29 Speaker_10
That's hilarious.

00:26:30 Speaker_09
Yeah, they just wanted some shit.

00:26:32 Speaker_06
Yeah.

00:26:32 Speaker_09
Red Riders.

00:26:33 Speaker_06
I'm in. I'm in. One time. They probably had a name for their gang.

00:26:37 Speaker_09
They were cool. They had a group chat. Probably felt real cool.

00:26:40 Speaker_06
Yeah, we're joining. We're gonna make some change. Yeah, we're getting the duct tape. Vigilantes. Yeah, meanwhile, these two guys thought they were cosplaying, and then they got arrested.

00:26:48 Speaker_09
Like, I didn't know. I didn't really plan on doing it. I know. It wasn't even my idea.

00:26:52 Speaker_10
It's tricky. Another problem I've noticed too, like along these lines, is like, let's say we're in a group. Let's say we have some group and then we find out one of the guys in our group did a bad thing. But we got, we got to pay our bills, right?

00:27:04 Speaker_10
We got a group and also we do, we do have kind of camaraderie. So a bad thing groups like to do is cover up for that person.

00:27:10 Speaker_05
Right.

00:27:10 Speaker_10
So like, it's not like every Catholic priest, I've heard all your terrible bits at the comedy clubs about the Catholic priests from every comic I know. It's not like all the ones were fine with sexually molesting children.

00:27:24 Speaker_10
It's just that there were a lot that did and the church thought, this is not going to look good for us. Let's cover this up. It happens in the military.

00:27:32 Speaker_10
Sometimes there's some bad guys in the military and they, instead of like, they don't want people to think if you send your daughters to the military, bad things are going to happen. So they kind of internally deal with it.

00:27:41 Speaker_10
You know, and that's a bad thing that groups do is that even our own government goes? All right Let's find a way to cover that up instead of dealing with this because if we just deal with it It's kind of reflect poorly on the group.

00:27:51 Speaker_10
What are we gonna do this?

00:27:52 Speaker_06
I've seen clientless Does mr. Gates need this kind of attention exactly he's out there trying to cure polio leave him alone Exactly.

00:28:02 Speaker_10
So you start to think let's protect the group right and we do it in all these ways I think that that's happened with the LGBTQ plus whatever I think a lot of gay people are waking up and gone Why did we let the trans people in this group?

00:28:14 Speaker_06
They're making us look terrible Well lesbians are having a real problem with all because there's a lot of trans men who identify as lesbian.

00:28:21 Speaker_06
Yes are trans women They say they're a lesbian and they get on lesbian apps and these girls like I'm looking for a vagina 100% yeah

00:28:29 Speaker_06
And now they're waking up going, eh, maybe the trans struggle was different than the gay struggle, but we've let them in the group, and now... Well, a lot of gay guys think that the movement is homophobic, because you're telling a young gay guy, no, you're a woman, you're actually a woman.

00:28:42 Speaker_06
Which is crazy.

00:28:44 Speaker_06
Well, it's one of those things that you got to say some people it must be true because it's always been a thing Like to have real gender dysphoria to be in your mind Feel like a woman has always been a thing even if you're a guy there's more effeminate women that feel like women

00:29:02 Speaker_06
so it's like that's real but also when you encourage that and you reward people socially for that and then you have pride day at kindergarten and you're talking about like sexual orientation people that are nowhere near puberty which is really crazy and then you start like

00:29:22 Speaker_06
Having people that become trans all of a sudden. They're amazing.

00:29:26 Speaker_06
Yeah, where they were just really mediocre before like Bruce Jenner Like he was the goof of the Kardashian show first of all it makes no sense No one's accomplished shit this motherfucker was on the cover of a star he was He was a star.

00:29:39 Speaker_06
He was a fucking gold medalist in the decathlon in the goddamn Olympics. He was a stud. He was a stud. And meanwhile he's on this show with these influencers and he's just getting nothing.

00:29:52 Speaker_10
He's just mocked. He's like, I could be a pretty gal.

00:29:55 Speaker_06
Just openly mocked. He becomes a woman. He's woman of the year in six months. In six months, he took over the fucking game. He's a winner. It's like a Chinese autistic kid coming into your math class and fucking up the curve. How did they get here?

00:30:12 Speaker_06
What's going on here? This guy's a G. He's got a 287 IQ. This is not fair. He just came in and took over. Superwoman? everyone loved him until he started saying he was voting for Trump. Yeah, now they hate him.

00:30:23 Speaker_06
Which was hilarious, like people were saying it's okay to misgender her. This person, call him Caitlyn, call her Caitlyn, whatever. doesn't seem to care, like is fine with you deadnaming her, this is who she is now.

00:30:40 Speaker_06
She's comfortable in her own skin, 60 years old, out of the closet, the whole deal, yay. But people are, I saw this thing online where someone was saying it's okay to misgender Caitlyn Jenner because she voted for Trump.

00:30:54 Speaker_06
So okay, so transphobia is okay if someone differs with you politically?

00:30:59 Speaker_10
It's crazy.

00:31:00 Speaker_06
Like what are you doing? I'm not being compassionate. You're not being kind. All these things that you said is only with total compliance are you willing to give people this grace.

00:31:09 Speaker_06
You must have total compliance to our ideology or you're cast out of the kingdom. It's a leverage of power.

00:31:15 Speaker_06
Even if you're a trans woman, which is like at the top of the oppression list, they're above regular, poor black people, poor Mexicans, like poor immigrants. Trans people's the top of the mountain.

00:31:25 Speaker_10
They're attacking their own. They're like literally like cannibalists just going like, oh, this one didn't fall in line.

00:31:31 Speaker_07
Didn't fall in line. Throw him out.

00:31:32 Speaker_10
Yeah, that's the worst. I also think it's like just a big overcorrection. I think humans are like guilty of always overcorrecting. So it's like, We were racist, historically.

00:31:44 Speaker_10
I could go on about that for hours, but let's say that's the idea, that we're agreeing with it. Historically, America was racist.

00:31:51 Speaker_10
So now the overcorrection is, anything that is racist must be... Don't ever even accuse a person of color of something wrong, because we have to so overcorrect, and we have to say how many black friends we have, and say how cool black things are, and don't say that their hair is different, because that would be a racist thing.

00:32:08 Speaker_10
Or, oh, we used to be homophobic. So now, if a guy sucks a dick, let's give him a parade.

00:32:13 Speaker_06
Yeah, let's put him in the White House.

00:32:14 Speaker_10
Let's celebrate hell. Exactly.

00:32:16 Speaker_06
Let's give him the charge of the fucking guy in the dress who's in charge of nuclear energy. Just let him suck dick. That was stealing women's clothes.

00:32:22 Speaker_10
Yeah, just let him suck dick.

00:32:23 Speaker_06
We didn't need him to be in power. That person's not exceptional just because they wear a dress. Right. That's crazy. That's a nutty person. You're not virtuous.

00:32:30 Speaker_10
Like and that's and like I think that There's a big difference between just letting someone live their life and not and being kind to them in society and not treating them different I'm giving them all the same rights as opposed to Celebrating it.

00:32:41 Speaker_06
I think you're absolutely right. It's just an extreme overcorrection what we need to do is just let people be themselves right and figure out who that is, but What is weird is when it becomes encouraged.

00:32:53 Speaker_06
And so then you get like with girls in particular, they're very vulnerable. Abigail Schreier wrote a book about this, about how many girls that are on the spectrum get convinced that they're trans.

00:33:04 Speaker_06
And then the problem is there's some states that allow you, I think if you're 15, you can go and get puberty blockers or at the very least you can get testosterone. I know you can do that.

00:33:15 Speaker_06
Do you know that like Planned Parenthood is like the number one prescriber?

00:33:18 Speaker_06
Testosterone see if that's true, but I think Planned Parenthood prescribes more testosterone than anybody which is really crazy if that's true That's wild because I think in some places they help people with gender transition So and if you're a girl in some states, you don't even have to be an adult You can go to them and you don't have to permission of your parents And if you I don't know who you have to consult with it what you have to do, but I've heard it's alarmingly easy Yeah

00:33:42 Speaker_06
And then, now you're on testosterone. And one of the things that testosterone does is it alleviates anxiety. It makes you feel stronger, you feel more alert, you're more alive, like, yes, this is what I was missing. I was missing testosterone.

00:33:54 Speaker_06
It's like, no, you weren't. No, you weren't. That's not a natural part of your body. You just added something, and now you feel way different, but now you're gonna change your voice.

00:34:03 Speaker_06
And if you grow out of this, and if this is just a phase, well, now you've fucked up your life, and you can't ever have children.

00:34:10 Speaker_06
And there's a bunch of those ladies out there, the detransitioners, they're stuck with deep voices for their whole lives, they're stuck with masculine features, they've cut their breasts off, and they've done it before they're adults.

00:34:23 Speaker_10
I got in trouble for posting this.

00:34:24 Speaker_06
Is that true about Planned Paranoid? I don't want to get sued. Have you been sued?

00:34:32 Speaker_04
Anybody ever sued you? I did read it in a... I see one article, but I don't know if this is legit. What does it say? Oh, it says that, but I'm trying to find out. I don't know what the... It's the Dallas Express.

00:34:42 Speaker_06
It doesn't seem like... That's the number one newspaper on the universe. Plan paired among largest suppliers of testosterone right there. Let's see what the numbers are. Do they say numbers?

00:34:55 Speaker_06
800 visits per year to more than 2500 fucking expression gender affirming care freaks me out.

00:35:01 Speaker_10
I got trouble for posting this I said if genitals don't define gender. How does removing them affirm it?

00:35:07 Speaker_06
Oh That's fucking touche. That's touche right there. What are we doing? It's really crazy.

00:35:14 Speaker_10
You said I don't need to have a vagina to be a woman, then why do I need to remove my penis to be a woman?

00:35:19 Speaker_06
Whoa, back that up again? The number of gender-affirming hormone therapy visits to Planned Parenthood tripled between 2021 and 2023, growing from 800 visits per year to more than 2,500. That's crazy.

00:35:36 Speaker_06
That shows you that it's a social contagion, and that's Abigail Schreier's...

00:35:41 Speaker_06
Position on it, and it's a very compassionate kind position sure and it's about the future of children And then making decisions when they're very impressionable and boy do people attack her they removed from bookstores They call their transphobic just for literally talking about facts and statistics and the numbers have increased and the psychological effect Like what's going on with them psychologically like why are they being led?

00:36:03 Speaker_06
Who are these? What is the cat that what is the actual odds that nine friends all become trans? What are the odds?

00:36:09 Speaker_06
But then again it is also it's a real thing like There's always been people that have felt like they should have been a woman and if you're a grown adult and you want to make that decision Yeah, you do whatever you want to do.

00:36:25 Speaker_06
Yeah, I've met trans people that say they are very happy with what they've done and Yeah, that's great.

00:36:30 Speaker_10
I guess but you got to know what the fuck that is and when you're 13 you don't yeah I don't know if I'd encourage it even in an adult I know that the correct statement for me right now would be like just leave our kids alone But I think that maybe I don't even want to encourage adults We just got to pursue your own things, and I think that's beautiful And I think that's what our country is about but in my mind a dude who doesn't care about the dick

00:36:52 Speaker_06
If you're a trans woman find a dude, let's find Jim Norton. Oh, yeah, exactly. You can find a Jim Norton. You could have gotten a celebrity. Yeah, I mean, that's what happened with Jim. He's got a trans woman for a wife. He's happy.

00:37:02 Speaker_06
He talks about the dick.

00:37:03 Speaker_10
You know what's crazy about the Jim Norton thing? Is that like, you know, he's with these tough crowd guys. He's with all my heroes. I looked up to Jim Norton my whole life. I love Jim Norton. I'm a fan.

00:37:11 Speaker_10
And then they go, you know, he's married to a trans woman. And I was like, the fuck? And everyone's like, oh, you, Jeff, and your trans thing. I was like, no, if I know Jim Norton, he wouldn't have gotten married. That's really what I was shocked about.

00:37:26 Speaker_10
The institution of marriage he believes in?

00:37:29 Speaker_06
That's ridiculous. This is Jim Norton. That's the overcorrection. You want to show this is really your wife? You're going to marry her. Right. Whereas all the girlfriends, all the girls, they're a little stinky vaginas. Get out of here.

00:37:40 Speaker_06
You ain't getting married. You can't take my last name. Fuck off. I'm waiting for a dick.

00:37:46 Speaker_10
Yeah, it's very crazy, man.

00:37:47 Speaker_06
That's the overcorrection.

00:37:49 Speaker_10
But you wouldn't encourage someone, and I know that I'm going to take some hits for this, but you wouldn't encourage someone who believed that their body was fat if it wasn't healthily, you know, like with an eating disorder.

00:38:00 Speaker_06
I think Tucker Carlson said that. You don't say, oh, you are fat.

00:38:03 Speaker_10
Yeah, Joe, but I believe I should be and you go you're dying dude, right?

00:38:07 Speaker_06
Or it's no he what he said it about was anorexics Like you would never tell an anorexic right? Oh, you are fat and that's real, right?

00:38:13 Speaker_10
People are really out there believing they look in the mirror. They're a skeleton, right? But they look in the mirror. They go. I'm gross. I'm fat.

00:38:19 Speaker_06
Exactly. You you wouldn't encourage it. You would never encourage that you know, there's something wrong, right?

00:38:23 Speaker_10
You would treat it

00:38:24 Speaker_06
I think the other problem is that the whole way they do it, you can't orgasm ever again, okay? And you don't really have a vagina. You have this hole, right? And then you have to keep that hole dilated. You have to stick something inside it.

00:38:37 Speaker_06
I think it's like lip jobs. Like, don't get the early ones. Wait till they get this down. Don't let people experiment on you by spicing your dick open like a hot dog. Wait. Just hang in there. Wait for the iPod 6. Wait for gene therapy.

00:38:51 Speaker_06
Because I firmly believe, it might not be in our lifetime, but maybe in our children or our grandchildren's lifetime, gene editing will get to a place where they will be able to turn you into whatever the fuck you want. Right.

00:39:03 Speaker_06
And it's probably going to be a nightmare, because every guy's going to look like Thor, and every woman's going to look like a prime Jennifer Lopez. It's like, there's not going to be any variations. Everyone's going to be super hot. Right.

00:39:13 Speaker_06
You're not going to appreciate hot people. Yeah, you will big whoop. Yeah, because when a hot woman walks in a room, and there's no other hot women, everybody's like, whoa. One's here. Look what I got. Look at her. Oh my goodness.

00:39:25 Speaker_09
What does she look like naked?

00:39:27 Speaker_06
Right? But if everybody looks like that, it's going to be commonplace. And I think we're going to get to a place where every man's going to look like the Hulk. It's just going to be just giant dudes. Nerds will for sure.

00:39:36 Speaker_06
They're going to be the first to sign up for that.

00:39:39 Speaker_00
You know what's interesting?

00:39:39 Speaker_06
All these fucking dudes that go to the coffee shop and sit there with their legs crossed like this. No working out. I can't even do. They're fucking, their shoulders slump.

00:39:49 Speaker_10
They're gonna look like the rock just fucking ROAR!

00:39:54 Speaker_10
Dude, you know, it's interesting about the like comic book world all the guys Who like they read comics and it's Thor shoulders like you and biceps like you he's spider-man Hulk all these dudes that are just fantastic fantastic heroes that Give us justice beat your enemies, but then if they see you at the cop show we go look at this douchebag You know what?

00:40:19 Speaker_10
I look like your comic books. I Like if Joe Rogan walked in, they should be going, holy shit, how does he look like that? I want to look like that.

00:40:26 Speaker_06
But isn't it also weird that it's like the feeblest men that really love the super powerful men in these fantasies, but not real life. But they don't want to just work out to look like them. That's too hard, Jeff.

00:40:38 Speaker_05
But just do it. Be like your heroes.

00:40:42 Speaker_06
They look at me weird.

00:40:44 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's so hard if you're like scrawny, and you go to a gym for the first time It's so disheartening stuff And so what girls with those fucking yoga pants on that you might as well be a pile of shit to them Well, there's all these big jack guys doing squash That's motivation, baby My arms

00:41:10 Speaker_06
Yeah, and it takes so long guys if you were slamming weights you guys love to slam weight so long get strong It takes forever so many reps. Oh, you gotta keep doing a shrink Yeah, I gotta come back tomorrow. They go.

00:41:24 Speaker_06
I gotta do this again tomorrow It's so hard that most people just want to dismiss it, but it's fun. Oh

00:41:29 Speaker_06
If you could do it in a pill, I would say to anybody, if I could give you a pill, and that pill would give you more energy throughout the day, you could pick up anything, you could carry things around, you'd never have to worry about yourself physically, you're stronger than most people you meet, you know how to fight, wouldn't you take that pill?

00:41:45 Speaker_06
Yeah, well you can do that pills too, but it's called hard work. Absolutely. That's all it is. That's so true, yeah. It's all it is. And it'll change everything for you. It'll change everything for you. You know how it's boring to take all those vitamins?

00:41:55 Speaker_06
Take the vitamins, you fucking retard.

00:41:57 Speaker_07
Open up the cabinet.

00:41:59 Speaker_06
We don't all have to. I've got to work at Chipotle. Sure, you've got enough protein and enough fat. Your fucking car's a race car.

00:42:05 Speaker_10
I don't have this free time.

00:42:07 Speaker_06
I have a family and everybody's free time You just choose to do it with other things choose to sit there with your fucking phone out scrolling through And checking your likes and arguing with people on Twitter.

00:42:17 Speaker_10
Yeah, that's how I feel like you got plenty of time to Go to McDonald's you got time to David Goggins has that great quote where he's like he says he's this guy said to me all about the gym memberships to except he goes you got a motherfucking floor where you live

00:42:32 Speaker_10
You got a ground where you're at? Didn't work out, motherfucker?

00:42:35 Speaker_06
And I love that kind of mentality of like, you could do a whole workout right there. All you need is a chin-up bar. That's the only, and you don't even need that. You can get those things that hang on your door.

00:42:44 Speaker_06
You don't even have to get like a permanent table. Push-ups, sit-ups. They have good chin-up bars now that like attach to your door frame, and they're solid, and they hold you in place. You screw them in. They're legit.

00:42:53 Speaker_06
And all you need is that and push-ups, bodyweight squats, sit-ups. There's a bunch of different yoga exercises you can do. There's rocks outside. Oh, yeah.

00:43:01 Speaker_07
Free rock! Oh yeah!

00:43:02 Speaker_10
It's not a cool kettle bell with a monkey head on it, but you know... Rocks. Rocks are heavy.

00:43:07 Speaker_06
Rocks are awkward too.

00:43:08 Speaker_10
Tree branch.

00:43:09 Speaker_06
Sandbags.

00:43:10 Speaker_10
I know 7,000 parks by my house that have a bar that you wouldn't have to buy on Amazon. You could just go hang from it.

00:43:15 Speaker_06
Yeah, those are always good. Monkey bars, those are great. I'll do it. That's the number one way kids break their fucking arms. Oh, really? Yeah, my daughter broke her arm on a monkey bar. I broke my arm in a monkey bar. Really?

00:43:26 Speaker_10
At school?

00:43:28 Speaker_06
Yeah, at school. And at that school, I was like, boy, that monkey bar is really high off the ground. She's a little reckless ninja warrior. Yeah.

00:43:39 Speaker_06
Well, that's what it is All these kids are just trying to have fun, but they don't understand their limitations yet That's why it's dangerous to have them in a environment like that because they've you know, but that's how you learn It's good.

00:43:48 Speaker_06
We were kids. They had those domes. Oh, yeah clime inside kids were always trying cushions.

00:43:54 Speaker_10
Oh There's foots in it, but they fall this way so just Rip apart those fucking thing. What's the dome one? We had a we had an actual like circular one.

00:44:03 Speaker_06
That was little triangles Yeah, we had one of those two and there was but there was one that was like it was like a half a circle, right? Oh dome with all these monkey bars inside of it and shit. Oh, yeah, that's the one I had.

00:44:14 Speaker_10
Yeah, we had yeah, and there would be like one bar missing sometimes like on the thing you'd be like what happened to your edges and fucking

00:44:21 Speaker_06
Screws sticking out of it.

00:44:22 Speaker_10
Yeah, but kids always bang their head I bang my head a hundred times on those fucking it also forces creativity too because you're like, you know, there's no iPad there There's no like video. There's no candy crush.

00:44:33 Speaker_10
So you had to be like, all right This is our igloo that we're gonna protect.

00:44:36 Speaker_06
I don't know. I wonder if that's good Everybody wants to like look back to the days and everyone was bored and say and like romantically Yeah, you'd make your own fun like I think about a video game. Yeah, I've been way more fun. Oh

00:44:48 Speaker_10
Well, we had both. I had the 90s, so we had both. Like when I was a kid, we would play video games all night. But during the day, there was something fun about wrestling, you know, like the human part of getting around.

00:45:00 Speaker_10
So we really were making up things with guns and just like shooting each other.

00:45:05 Speaker_06
Say the best of both worlds. Yeah, we kind of both. But that was before online media or online social media.

00:45:09 Speaker_10
Oh yeah, we weren't online playing video games either. It was just me versus my buddy.

00:45:12 Speaker_06
I think the social media thing is the craziest part of it. I think kids are just, first of all, they're weirdly connected, because they all get on Snapchat, and then they have a Snap Map, so they know where all their friends are at any given time.

00:45:25 Speaker_06
And so they're constantly paying attention to that, and finding each other, and they go in groups, and they go to this party, and, oh, they're at this party, let's go to that party. They see them on the maps.

00:45:35 Speaker_10
They're adults. You just described adults. Those aren't even kids anymore.

00:45:38 Speaker_06
They're little kids that are like traveling around with their friends with phones and they only talk through text messages. Yeah, that's adults. Yeah, which sucks. Fucking weird. It sucks. A weird new life. They still do like kids today.

00:45:51 Speaker_06
They still do physical things. They just still do sports, you know, but when we were kids the thing about not having any other influences, especially like social media influences, you didn't really aspire to be exactly like other people.

00:46:10 Speaker_06
It's like there was groups of people that you gravitated towards being a jock, you gravitated towards being an artist, but you didn't try to completely copy whatever trend is going on.

00:46:25 Speaker_06
Nowadays kids are they leave their fucking stupid label, and they're their Nikes like what is that? What is that where it's supposed to be cool to keep your fucking label on your night?

00:46:35 Speaker_10
It's like look. It's a limited edition. It's like it's not I made a bunch of it off.

00:46:40 Speaker_06
Oh, that's hilarious a knife out I go cut that off I go, what are you, a sheep? Are you a little sheep? You got a fucking tag on your Nikes? And he did, he cut it off. He goes, you're right. I go, I'm right. I fucking am right.

00:46:51 Speaker_06
Who cares if everyone knows their white label or whatever it is? What is it called?

00:46:56 Speaker_10
It's called an off-white.

00:46:57 Speaker_06
Yeah, whatever.

00:46:57 Speaker_10
It means that it has that red tag on it, yeah.

00:47:00 Speaker_06
Stupid. Now you're smart. I love that you did that. I cut it off right in the green room. That was a daddy moment for him.

00:47:04 Speaker_05
I give him a knife. You said, hey, I'm dad here.

00:47:07 Speaker_07
This is nonsense.

00:47:09 Speaker_05
You are not doing this. I love that. You're not going to have a propeller on your hat. Keep the sticker on the thing.

00:47:17 Speaker_09
Take that propeller off your fucking hat.

00:47:19 Speaker_06
Grow up. You don't have to have that label. When I was a kid, dudes would have labels on their hats. I hate that. They'd buy new hats and they'd leave the tag.

00:47:27 Speaker_10
Or the sticker on the bill is one of my biggest pet peeves.

00:47:30 Speaker_06
The sticker on the bill is stupid. Take that sticker off. Take the sticker off.

00:47:32 Speaker_10
Why do you have that shiny stupid sticker? It makes no sense to me. That's dumb. Yeah. I think that one thing that I do look backwards and think about, and this is a mushroom thought for sure, this came to me, you know, whereas like,

00:47:47 Speaker_10
My mom would go, why do you need these expensive shoes for school? And I didn't have the intelligence at the time to explain it to her now, but now I look back and I wish I would have said, Mom, my whole social structure is based on this.

00:48:01 Speaker_10
Because I don't have the internet, which would later come out. I don't have these things. When, at least in the 90s and the late 80s when I was growing up,

00:48:10 Speaker_10
Amber Shoemaker was the hottest girl at our school, which meant Amber Shoemaker's the hottest woman in our universe. I didn't go online and go, well, Amber's not... I didn't have anyone else. That's the hottest girl. Do you know what I'm saying?

00:48:21 Speaker_10
The coolest guy in our school, Anthony Medina, was the coolest guy in the world because that's our world. Whereas kids now could go, who gives a shit about Anthony Medina? I'm following LeBron and I'm fine.

00:48:30 Speaker_10
So like we had our own little realities, you know, so it's like I didn't give a shit about the The Bulls necessarily, but if Mike Jensen from my school said the Bulls are cool. I like the Bulls, right?

00:48:42 Speaker_10
I didn't have anywhere to escape to I need to do what I can and I think even before me was probably even better than that. I Think like when Cowboys roamed the earth that might have been number one.

00:48:52 Speaker_10
No you don't think so because here's why and hear me out and Let's say we're cowboys. We're on the ridgeline.

00:49:02 Speaker_06
Sun's going down. Kind of a house?

00:49:07 Speaker_10
We have a house, but we're now on the ridgeline with our horses. Oh, we're on the road. A few days. On the trail. Let's say, hey buddy, the sun's going down, let's make a fire. But we gotta brush the horses, we gotta do our shit.

00:49:18 Speaker_10
We're eating our can, we see all these twinkling lights out there and we go, we got a picture of our lady in our wallet, like, oh man, can't wait to get home to her, you know, say some dirty things about her.

00:49:27 Speaker_10
And then I would eat my beans, and then I'd say, I wonder what everyone's doing out there.

00:49:32 Speaker_06
I would just wonder. Yeah, that is a really cute version of what it meant to be a cowboy. Here's what it really was like. You would stay up and I would sleep because we don't want anybody raping and killing us in the middle of the night.

00:49:45 Speaker_06
Because the Indians have been following us for miles and we don't know they've been following us. That would be reversed, by the way. You'd stay up and I'd sleep. We're too stupid to cold camp, okay?

00:49:53 Speaker_06
So we started a fire, which makes you really easy to spot. And they just wait until that fire starts getting dim and they hear snoring. And they come in, and they cut you up, and they fuck you, and they do whatever they want.

00:50:04 Speaker_06
No, you're supposed to stay awake and slaughter them. Well, I mean, there's only two of us, but there's like seven or eight of them. And, you know, back in the musket days, there was a lot of reloading time. I get one of them, yeah.

00:50:17 Speaker_06
That's why the Comanches dominated this area, because they were using single-shot guns. But you know, that's racist. They were just sitting here peacefully. The Comanches, they were not.

00:50:28 Speaker_06
The Comanches had multiple arrows on their fingers, so they'd keep like four or five arrows, and they would shoot one, and they'd shoot another one, and shoot another one. They were just fucking these dudes up. I bet it.

00:50:39 Speaker_06
The only thing that saved this entire state, the only reason why people were able to conquer, was the Colt pistol. Right. When they figured out how to make a pistol with like a chamber, it was Colt, right? Wasn't it? I think it was Colt.

00:50:50 Speaker_06
So they developed, believe this or not, at the time, the military didn't want. Really? They're like, what are we doing with these six shots? We got one shot. Really? Good enough. Yeah. I didn't know that. I couldn't sell them. That's ridiculous.

00:51:01 Speaker_06
He sold them to the Texas Rangers.

00:51:03 Speaker_07
Oh, that's amazing.

00:51:04 Speaker_06
Jack Smith, that guy who's out in the hallway, that photograph, that's why he's there. That's the original Texas Ranger.

00:51:09 Speaker_10
Why wouldn't they want more bullets quicker, accessibly? Because it's the government. They've always been retarded.

00:51:15 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's ridiculous. They were even retarded in the 1800s. More bullets. So this was a novel invention. This guy figured out a revolver. And it was like, you had to take the cylinder out and put a new cylinder in.

00:51:24 Speaker_06
But every time he did it, he got five or six. Was it six shots or five? But so it was the first time ever you could fire multiple times. They just start fucking up these Indians.

00:51:32 Speaker_10
Yeah, that was protection Yeah, for sure. That's good.

00:51:34 Speaker_06
It's these guys that like they dressed like Indians. They fucking infiltrated They cold camped they would go deep deep deep into like uncharted territory Those were probably just bad guys pretending to be Indians to make the Indians look bad.

00:51:47 Speaker_06
Oh, no, no, no They were bad guys, but they were bad guys to go after the Indians Yeah, they were bad guys. No, but we're not saying we're the fucking Indians. Oh for sure.

00:51:57 Speaker_10
We're bad to each other exactly They were also that's why I always get so mad about the debate about like well you came here like white people came here And did bet it's like dude you think that they weren't all fighting for land here.

00:52:06 Speaker_06
They were all just fighting but they didn't ever ever ever surrender Yeah, there's lots of tribes. If they surrendered, they were tortured and murdered.

00:52:15 Speaker_06
The Comanches used to chop dudes' arms off and legs off and then throw them while they're still alive on a roaring fire. Watch them squirm around. It was fun.

00:52:26 Speaker_10
They were having a good time. I meant mentally, earlier, for my early analogy of the cute cowboy stuff. No, no, no, no, no.

00:52:31 Speaker_07
No, no, what I was saying is that mentally we didn't compare. It was dangerous, dude. I know, I believe, I hear you.

00:52:36 Speaker_06
It was terrifying.

00:52:37 Speaker_07
All that home on the range shit is straight up horse shit. No, what I mean is they didn't compare.

00:52:42 Speaker_06
Oh, right, because they were, you hear that sound?

00:52:44 Speaker_07
You had too many real things. Someone's raping an Indian lady.

00:52:47 Speaker_06
Right.

00:52:48 Speaker_07
You hear that? You hear gunshots and children screaming. You wouldn't think, oh,

00:52:54 Speaker_10
So what that Jeff dies with me is so what that he's funny.

00:52:58 Speaker_06
He's no Dave Chappelle You didn't compare but they did like Billy the Kid Like people became famous. They became infamous these people that everybody wanted to be like Billy the Kid

00:53:09 Speaker_10
Well, that was one guy that we tried to be like right now I'd go big deal Billy the kid There's a guy in Japan that can shoot 70 like the phone makes you have 7 million You don't even appreciate your wife learning guitar cuz you go.

00:53:21 Speaker_10
She's no Bob Dylan. You know who gives a shit So that's what I was trying to say That guy's mean, but he's thinking that Give her a break

00:53:34 Speaker_06
Yeah, but I meant mentally we didn't compare I think we are not designed for it, but I think kids will be I think the human mind is going to adapt to technology and Interacting with each other and I think socially people are adapting to interacting with each other You know like the way kids like go after each other online like they're adapted to it

00:53:54 Speaker_06
It's normalized to them. Just like, you know, if you live in a war-torn part of the world seeing dead people, it normalizes to you. And I think kids are normalizing to electronics.

00:54:05 Speaker_06
And people want to resist that, and they want to say, I don't let my kids use electronics. It's part of the world. I use it. It's a part of the world does it it's not a barrier to being a good person It's not a barrier to living a happy healthy life.

00:54:18 Speaker_06
Yeah, just like alcohol is not a barrier but for some people it is right some people have a real fucking problem with social media and you see a lot of comics especially the unsuccessful ones when they start falling apart when they get older it just exacerbates their mental illness and then it becomes all Politics yeah

00:54:35 Speaker_06
These guys used to talk about farts and getting their dick sucked. Now it's all politics and it's all like life hangs on every decision and we're doomed if this takes place. Doomed!

00:54:47 Speaker_10
You know what comedian dude does that is Kathy Griffin. That guy's unhinged. You go on there, it's all day, just some doom and gloom.

00:55:01 Speaker_06
Do you think that that's because that's how they find meaning in an otherwise meaningless existence?

00:55:07 Speaker_06
What is it about people where their entire life becomes completely wrapped around politics to the point where they're tweeting about it literally all day long and saying these things that they think are profound? about all kinds of different issues.

00:55:22 Speaker_10
I think it's got to be some sort of virtue signaling. Like it's their way to go, look at how good I am.

00:55:27 Speaker_06
It's also a way to show that you're relevant. You know, you're talking about the things that people care about right now and you're chiming in and saying the things that need to be said. You're being heard.

00:55:38 Speaker_06
You know, there's a lot of like weird, there's a lot of just, they want attention. There's a narcissism to a lot of it. But then there's also people that are capable of going online and having interesting discussions with people they don't know.

00:55:50 Speaker_06
And if you can manage that, you can actually get a lot out of like Twitter and X and all these different ways. You can get a lot out of it. You can get a lot, but it's so hard to do. I know.

00:56:01 Speaker_06
Because it's like so it's such a, it's like you're, you're deciphering smoke signals. It's like the person's not even in front of you. You know, like you're getting these weird interactions with people.

00:56:11 Speaker_06
There's a lot of like, like what does this guy mean by that? Is he being shitty? Is he just being honest? Like, what is this?

00:56:17 Speaker_10
Yeah, it's very tough to translate their... It's a sucky way to communicate. What are they doing? Like, what is that? Were they trying to be funny right there? Were they trying... Yeah, it's very tricky.

00:56:26 Speaker_06
Well, I'm very lucky in that I get to talk to so many interesting people. So I don't need to have as many interesting conversations online with people.

00:56:33 Speaker_10
Yeah, and also you're a comedian. My favorite thing about being a comedian is I get heard a lot. We get to be heard. Even when I'm wrong, I get to be heard. You can be wrong and still funny. Yeah, that's the beauty of it. That was Patrice's whole act.

00:56:46 Speaker_10
Yeah, 100%. I'm often sometimes wrong and it's just so funny. They go, hell yeah, I like this guy.

00:56:51 Speaker_06
If it's funny. And also this part of being wrong on purpose. I say things that I know is wrong on purpose because it's funny. It's funny to say. You're going for the laugh. I'm just trying to be silly. I'm trying to be silly. That's what I like.

00:57:03 Speaker_06
That's the kind of comedy I like. So I'm going to do that and you can like it or you don't like it. What infuriates me is when people try to take jokes or talking shit and just conflate it and pretend that it's a statement. I know. It drives me crazy.

00:57:20 Speaker_06
Do you not have any friends?

00:57:22 Speaker_10
I know.

00:57:23 Speaker_08
Do you not have any friends? You don't joke? You don't joke around?

00:57:26 Speaker_10
You don't say those comments want to go to the right. It's because freedom of speech is a pretty big deal to us. Yeah. Naturally, it's a pretty big deal that we can say whatever we want. Because here's the thing, racism is bad.

00:57:36 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:57:36 Speaker_10
But it is kind of funny sometimes. It's very funny when it's about white people. Sexism is bad, but it's pretty funny sometimes.

00:57:43 Speaker_07
Sometimes. Yeah. If it's well-made. Yeah, it's funny. If it's funny enough.

00:57:46 Speaker_10
A good meme, a solid meme.

00:57:47 Speaker_07
Great. Love it. Yeah.

00:57:48 Speaker_10
Yeah, exactly. Things are funny. And people go, well, that's racist. You go, well, and it's racial, and it's funny. But don't just assume that it's this blanketly bad thing. Yeah.

00:57:57 Speaker_06
It's such a silly... Like, it's funny no matter who gets it. It's funny if white guys get it. It's funny if white women get it. It's funny if Indian guys get it. Things are funny when people get it. When you get them jokes, it's funny.

00:58:10 Speaker_10
And they don't care about the racial stuff when it's a comic of any other race doing it. If you're going to use that same measuring stick, go to the laugh factor. You could cancel all 12 comedians that are on stage making easy racial remarks.

00:58:22 Speaker_10
But he's Persian.

00:58:23 Speaker_06
I know, but it's still a racial remark. Especially if you're cracking on white people. You could crack on white people as hard as you want right now.

00:58:31 Speaker_10
Which is so vague, too. I don't know if this is a smart idea or not, but it's something I always think is like, it's so vague. These shitty comics like Hari Kondabulu are like, white people, white people. What white people? Which ones? French? Canadian?

00:58:44 Speaker_10
Do Jews count? Croatian? What a great lump you've done. All white? You know how many countries that covers? And then you go, well, that's why we're saying it because we don't mean a specific country we're talking about. But then so then that's racist.

00:58:59 Speaker_10
You go, well, white's not a race. It's just a it's a color of. Well, then how come black is is is a race? Because black would be Haiti. It would be tons of parts of Africa. You know, so.

00:59:12 Speaker_10
I guess my point is then it's not racist when I say black, if it's not racist when you say white, because you're over-glamming the big thing.

00:59:19 Speaker_06
Yeah, it's ridiculous. Also, how much do white people vary? There's so many white people!

00:59:25 Speaker_09
They vary so much! It's so vague!

00:59:28 Speaker_06
Men like oh you must be rich cuz you're white you're like Jerry poor white people there are go to Kentucky most of them are poor Yeah, go to where the fucking coal mines are those coal mining communities or people just been popping pills since the 80s meth Yeah, never of white trash like we dominate the poor community.

00:59:45 Speaker_07
Have you ever seen the wild and wonderful whites of West?

00:59:48 Speaker_06
Yeah, Jessica white walking those dancing skills in Didn't Johnny Knoxville produce that?

00:59:54 Speaker_10
That's how I saw it. I don't know if it was Johnny Knoxville, but Jack Hole Productions or whatever it was.

00:59:58 Speaker_06
Yeah. I think Knoxville made that. It's fucking incredible. Amazing. But that's white people too. Yeah. Okay. These poor white people, they're just victims of their environment, man.

01:00:10 Speaker_10
They're teaching college kids that if you're a straight white guy, they just hand you suitcases full of money, and that you have no troubles, and the cops don't target you. It's like, cops don't- Did you see what Trump said today?

01:00:20 Speaker_06
I'll send this to you, Jamie, because this is wild. This is a wild move. I'll send this to you, Jamie. It is what he said about colleges- Oh, I love it. ... and DEI endowments. I love it. I'll send this to you, Jamie.

01:00:37 Speaker_06
He's doing so much crazy shit because he only has one term, you know?

01:00:42 Speaker_06
Like, all the different things that he's said so far about completely banning all of these gender transition clinics for kids, hormone therapies for kids, puberty blockers for kids, like, stop that.

01:00:57 Speaker_06
And, you know, and he even called them out for the expression, gender affirming, that's a crazy, Like a literal dystopian euphemism for what you're doing.

01:01:09 Speaker_10
And he said Marxist multiple times. And people are going to go, they're not Marxist. Do you know BLM self-proclaimed themselves as Marxists? So you can find hundreds of times where they say, we are Marxists.

01:01:21 Speaker_10
So before anybody comments, well, they're not really, they've called themselves the Marxists.

01:01:27 Speaker_06
I think a lot of people like blanketly support that just because it seems like a smart idea. Yeah, Black Lives Matter, of course they do. Yeah, there's cops that have killed people, we've seen it. Okay, yeah, it's definitely good to support that.

01:01:39 Speaker_06
But then you find out all the other stuff behind it, and then you find out that the people that were running it were fucking behind real estate. Do a little homework. They gave all your money to trans people.

01:01:48 Speaker_06
They didn't help the black community at all.

01:01:49 Speaker_06
Is not only going to tax but confiscate endowments of every university the Department of Justice finds has engaged in illegal discrimination under the guise of equity, which is basically every university in the country, but is especially true with the Ivy League, which is, if this happens, will die.

01:02:06 Speaker_06
They will crush... But this is, you know who suffers the most from this discrimination? From discrimination is Asian people. Do you know why? Because Asian people score so high and they work so hard. They make it more difficult for them to get it.

01:02:24 Speaker_06
They have to have higher grades and they have to have a higher score. They like, they score them based on like social interactions.

01:02:31 Speaker_05
Which is crazy.

01:02:31 Speaker_06
Which if you're studying 18 hours a day, like a lot of these Asian people. I'm going to win. Yeah, well, it's their culture. Their culture is this, like, nose-to-the-grindstone, hard work, disciplined culture.

01:02:41 Speaker_06
I had a buddy of mine... And no one in America is mad at them for succeeding. We encourage it. It's good. I had a buddy of mine that was a national taekwondo champion while he was going through his medical residency.

01:02:53 Speaker_06
He was Korean and his, no matter what he did, this guy won the nationals. He was the national Taekwondo champion. And he wasn't talented either. It wasn't like he was- Hard work. It was 100% hard work.

01:03:05 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:03:06 Speaker_06
And this fucking guy would work all day long at school and then put his books in his backpack and walk upstairs to get a workout in. I love it.

01:03:16 Speaker_06
He would just do flights of stairs over and over again while he was at school because he had to do something and then go back to school. Won the fucking nationals like that. And that's beautiful.

01:03:24 Speaker_06
It's this kind of crazy work ethic that some Asian households instill in their children. And it's tough to compete with them. So what they've done is they've, you know, there's been lawsuits about it. I believe Harvard was sued, right? Was Harvard sued?

01:03:37 Speaker_06
That they were discriminating against Asian Americans? So they have like ways that what they're saying is, what they were complaining was that there's ways that they have that

01:03:49 Speaker_06
Like accentuate certain attributes like that lets you get in like think social things you do different things you do that give you extra points though They felt like was designed just to keep less Asian people in like crazy to push some of them out because so many of them were getting in there and Dominating.

01:04:06 Speaker_10
Yeah

01:04:07 Speaker_06
Dominating yeah, but that's great. Yes. Well listen man if you come best of the best How a hard-working household and you you develop that work ethic you can you might not be happy.

01:04:17 Speaker_10
That's part of the problem Well, I like that they complain about their tiger moms and you're like dude. They made you successful, right? Oh

01:04:23 Speaker_06
You've got to figure out how to be happy. Right. That's up for you to do. This is it, the lawsuit, a threat to education. What happened?

01:04:29 Speaker_06
An organization created by anti-race conscious admissions activist Edward Blum, citing itself students for fair admission, sued Harvard, alleging that the university discriminates against Asian Americans and seeking to prevent Harvard College and other colleges and universities from using a wide ranging and thorough admissions process that considers the whole person.

01:04:50 Speaker_06
Love that. Interesting. So this, this, that's interesting though, because on paper, that sounds like a good thing. A wide ranging and thorough admissions process that considers the whole person. Like if you want to educate a child, right?

01:05:06 Speaker_06
You want a kid to go from being a young teenager to being an adult and you're educating them. There is a social aspect to it, right? Like you don't want to develop like complete sociopaths that just go to work.

01:05:18 Speaker_06
But you can't also, you can't stop that option. People want a quality of outcome. It's a very important point. But there's not a quality of effort. There just isn't. And in the mad dog race of life, you're occasionally going to get a Michael Jordan.

01:05:35 Speaker_06
You're going to get a guy who works harder than everybody, and he's gifted, and he's going to exceed. He's going to pass you all. And there's nothing you can do about it. Nothing you can do about Mike Tyson when he was 22 years old.

01:05:45 Speaker_06
Get the fuck out of the way, pick up tennis. Yeah, he's gonna kill you. Yeah, he's gonna be number two.

01:05:51 Speaker_06
Maybe if you want to be number two You're eventually gonna get to have fight number one, and that's not gonna be a lot of hurt This is the world's not fair.

01:05:59 Speaker_06
Yeah, right that and that guy when you saw the way he trained when he was young man He trained like a person possessed. Yeah, he lived in one hard world all day Yeah, he was obsessed with fighting. It's all he had and Talented and gifted.

01:06:12 Speaker_06
So if you have those things all together, the world is not fair Yeah, and you can't make it fair with laws and you can't make it fair with rules and it doesn't make you any better to suppress someone in some sort of a way by diminishing their success and that includes someone who's a fucking complete psychopath who studies 18 hours a day and

01:06:31 Speaker_06
and dominates and starts a business when they're 19 and becomes a billionaire by the time they're 26 and then all of a sudden buys Twitter from Elon Musk. You can't stop that.

01:06:39 Speaker_10
Ask one of these crazy people who doesn't understand these kind of things or has never even thought of it. Say, oh, I noticed you're watching the WNBA game. Do you think it's unfair that Britney Griner makes more than her teammates?

01:06:52 Speaker_10
And they'll go, no, she's the best.

01:06:54 Speaker_09
Right. Right.

01:06:56 Speaker_10
Right. That's the thing.

01:06:57 Speaker_09
Just like anyone else that's the best. Elon Musk is the best.

01:07:00 Speaker_10
makes more money. How can you understand that Brittany Griner makes more than her teammates? But you can't understand that the NBA generates more money and is better, makes more than the WNBA.

01:07:12 Speaker_06
How can you in brain... Well what people get scared of is the amount of control and power that you have with that kind of money. And then some people want to make decisions for all of us. Like Bill Gates.

01:07:21 Speaker_06
Like one of the wackiest ones he's talking about, like blocking the sun, putting particles in the sky to block the sun to cool the earth. Hey, fuckhead, there's a whole lot of people on Earth.

01:07:31 Speaker_06
You don't get to talk for all of us just because you have $100 billion. That's crazy talk. That's what people are scared of. What people are scared of is that when you really do have ultimate money and ultimate power,

01:07:44 Speaker_06
With most people, there's this desire to control people. It's part of the gig. And some of them, when they decide they don't want to go into politics, they start influencing things behind the scenes. They start donating. They have funds.

01:07:58 Speaker_06
They have a giant fund, and their fund

01:08:01 Speaker_06
Donates to all these different organizations in it and Bill Gates's case it Prevented them from criticizing him because the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation they donate all this money these media corporations and all these companies Look at all the money you've given you to help global health and whatever the fuck it is But what it really does is it buys off people from criticizing?

01:08:20 Speaker_06
Then you start doing wild shit like telling everybody they should eat plant-based food.

01:08:23 Speaker_06
Yeah, fuck it Yeah, you start controlling people It's like people like to pull strings on people the George Soros is of the world so much I'll get da's elected and then put even more progressive da to go in after him and see if you can fuck with things by letting people out of jail and Defunding the cops and it's like they're playing these weird monopoly games with the whole world

01:08:47 Speaker_10
You know where you saw it the like a great example was when Barack Obama got into office Michelle Obama's whole thing was like nutrition like that was what she was gonna like really like work on and Dude, it was almost like after two weeks someone brought her in the back.

01:08:58 Speaker_10
It's like listen bitch Yeah, we hear what you're saying about the food industry I don't know if you know how much bread we're putting in your husband's pockets, and then she immediately was like maybe fitness Maybe your kids could run around ten minutes a day.

01:09:11 Speaker_10
How about that is that better? She gave up the food gave up the food stuff. It. Just was immediately I

01:09:18 Speaker_04
Is that the same thing? No, I didn't have it muted, I wasn't supposed to play it. Oh, sorry.

01:09:21 Speaker_10
But then it was like all of it, all the focus went towards, hey, just 10 minutes a day, have your kids go outside and play. It was all the food stuff gone. Wow. Yeah, and you realize, oh, there are other things, you know?

01:09:34 Speaker_10
There's like all these other things that are at play.

01:09:36 Speaker_06
Well, it's not just other things. Millions and billions of dollars when you're that far ahead of the game, you know If you're playing a game and you cannot you cannot beat the game. There's no way to beat it.

01:09:50 Speaker_06
You're on level one There's a million levels the people that have been playing it that you're playing against they've been playing for 30 years They have all the armor. Oh, yeah, all the magic spells. You're not gonna win that game. I

01:10:00 Speaker_06
And that is what people are really scared about with people who have a lot of money, is that they don't just have a boat, they don't just have a house, but then they start influencing what people can and can't do.

01:10:10 Speaker_06
Then they start funding studies to talk about particular types of energy, because they've got an enormous amount of money invested in this green renewable energy or whatever it is. But what it really is, is money. ever doing anything for you. Ever.

01:10:25 Speaker_06
Whether it's climate change, or whatever the fu- whether it's energy, it's always money. And they'll flavor it. It's for you, it's for us. We have to worry about the environment.

01:10:38 Speaker_06
Didn't Al Gore become the first guy to make a billion dollars off of climate change? I know he's definitely the face of it for a long time. I read that, that Al Gore- it could be bullshit.

01:10:50 Speaker_06
But I read that Al Gore was the first climate change billionaire. Interesting. And that's the things that he invested in that movie that he put out that scared the fuck out of me.

01:10:59 Speaker_10
Oh yeah, we're all like, we gotta do something. Yeah, I saw that.

01:11:01 Speaker_06
By the way, not a single thing, not a single thing was accurate, not even close. Not even close.

01:11:07 Speaker_10
Might as well have been made by Michael Moore. Might as well have just been- Michael Moore is more accurate.

01:11:12 Speaker_06
He was, at least back in the day. You watch Roger and Me. Michael Moore in the early days made some great films. Well, I think a lot of it was just bullcrap. Well, not the first one, not Roger.

01:11:22 Speaker_10
Remember when he did a scene where these kids go into a bank and they buy a gun over the counter from the bank. What? Yeah, it was his gun one, Bowling for Columbine or whatever.

01:11:33 Speaker_00
Right.

01:11:33 Speaker_10
And I remember seeing that scene, I worked at Hollywood Video at the time, and I was like, this is terrifying, we've got to get rid of these guns.

01:11:39 Speaker_10
And then I looked into it years later when the internet kind of grew, and I was like, oh, that's all total bullshit. It was like a made up scene.

01:11:44 Speaker_06
Oh, so he just made up a scene?

01:11:45 Speaker_10
Yeah, that's why we weren't even allowed at Hollywood Video to keep Michael Moore's movies in the documentary section. We weren't even allowed to keep it in that section.

01:11:51 Speaker_06
Really?

01:11:52 Speaker_10
Because it's not counted as a documentary.

01:11:54 Speaker_06
Oh, see, it didn't used to be like that. I've got to be honest. I don't think I watched Bowling for Columbine. I might have. It was so long ago.

01:12:00 Speaker_06
But I do remember Roger and me being very impactful because it was about the auto industry moving out of Flint, Michigan. Oh, yeah, yeah. And about how the town collapsed. Sad.

01:12:08 Speaker_10
It happens in Pittsburgh. I was just in Pittsburgh, and you see all these abandoned warehouses where Americans used to work.

01:12:12 Speaker_06
Yeah.

01:12:13 Speaker_10
And you go, oh, wasn't it better? With Chinese slaves making you $300 sneakers like it's no it's not better.

01:12:18 Speaker_06
It's not better at all It's crazy what they did and they just did it for money They did it for money and shipped over things overseas because they can get people to work for nothing Which is so crazy.

01:12:29 Speaker_06
I know that you can't do it here, but you do it there That's why I was talking this person who ran a plant in Mexico. We were getting a little tipsy and I didn't like What he was saying? Justifying this procedure of doing that.

01:12:45 Speaker_06
And they were trying to tell me that these people would starve to death if it wasn't for that plant. I go, those people have been there for thousands of years. Yeah. I go, and you know why they don't have any money?

01:12:55 Speaker_06
Probably because we bribed their government. Right. And we gave them loans they couldn't pay off, and then we took all their resources, and then we moved plants over there.

01:13:04 Speaker_10
And the pollution of the plants is just insane, too. They live in fog-filled cities.

01:13:10 Speaker_06
We can go back to the entire areas run by the cartel because we have drugs illegal in this country unless they're prescribed. And then you have the Sackler family that makes billions of dollars. What about all this? Nobody's worried about that slavery.

01:13:22 Speaker_10
Everyone wants to talk about slavery that we abolished in this country. Everyone wants to talk about that slavery. But not a slave that made your phone.

01:13:29 Speaker_10
Current slavery that made this or my shoes or or all the things you wear or how about the sex trafficking? How about the women that are slaves right now?

01:13:39 Speaker_06
Well, how about the let's get to work on that probably been smuggled across the border We don't even know what those numbers if I put together enough money, right?

01:13:47 Speaker_10
I'm not super rich, but I've got some money if I put together like my life mission is to fix that They just kill me in a month What are you doing dude tell jokes and talk about baseball why are you trying to help in something that matters?

01:14:01 Speaker_10
Yeah, I'm actually trying to shut down the cartel.

01:14:03 Speaker_06
Oh, and you live in a normal house. I'd make it a week Wouldn't let you go what happened to Jeff. That's a billion dollar a month business right the fuck are you talking about? I'm gonna let you get away with that way.

01:14:13 Speaker_05
Don't you yeah?

01:14:14 Speaker_06
They kill everybody they kill you so you've got all these problems And and then you know shipping things shipping these factories to these other places.

01:14:23 Speaker_06
It doesn't keep you from starving to death It's just we were doing an unethical thing like you can't do it on this patch of dirt But if you just move it to that patch right now you can do unethical now. It's fine. Oh This is crazy.

01:14:34 Speaker_06
What is this, a casino cruise ship? Not only that, like now that we know. So they did that back then when there was no internet. You know, you sneak it across the border. Nobody, I'm still buying. Look, my car is $5 cheaper and you don't care.

01:14:46 Speaker_06
And so everybody, you hear some stories about Michigan. If you don't live there, eh, whatever. I'm over here in LA. I don't give a fuck. I got a nice car. But your car's made in Mexico."

01:14:55 Speaker_06
And it's like, we don't even realize what the impact of that was, but now that we have the internet, now you can see it. And we still do it.

01:15:04 Speaker_06
It's like it's grandfathered in that you buy your phone from a company that uses slaves, and the factories literally have nets around them to keep people from jumping off, and we're like,

01:15:13 Speaker_10
And also, I'm not pretending I'm better than anyone else, right? I promise that. But I don't yammer on on my social media about slavery all day. I'm aware that I'm in this system or this network.

01:15:25 Speaker_10
It's just so hypocritical when I hear LeBron talk about slavery that happened in our country over a hundred years ago while he's dripping in Nike.

01:15:36 Speaker_06
Do you- how dumb can you be to pretend to care about slavery while you're making, what, a billion or something from Nike over the- Don't you think that if you're a person that is in mainstream world acceptance, whether a sports star or, you know, any kind of media personality, there's like certain things you feel obligated to call out and to talk about.

01:16:00 Speaker_10
I would think so I only know how I would behave and I like I just think there's honest money And then there's dishonest money, and I've never had the stomach feeling like the money.

01:16:07 Speaker_10
They paid the people to endorse Kamala Harris Dishonest money right there be Beyonce. Did you know?

01:16:15 Speaker_07
That was even legal fools. Did you know that was even legal?

01:16:19 Speaker_10
It shouldn't be legal the Vogue the the view keeps yammering about how Elon Musk shouldn't be allowed You know, I saw a video yesterday about you.

01:16:26 Speaker_06
Oh the Joe Rogans of the world or influence II like oh, that's that that feminist guy Yeah, and like they're so mad that there's this multi-billion dollar right-wing Ecosystem that's been developed just like a terrorist network.

01:16:42 Speaker_06
Yeah that radicalizes young people like What, by talking to scientists?

01:16:47 Speaker_10
By telling them to be good guys? To tell them to be honorable to their partner? Radicalizes! That's how radical.

01:16:52 Speaker_07
Radicalizes.

01:16:53 Speaker_10
Also, let me ask you, on air for this podcast, how much money did Donald Trump give you to endorse him? A hundred million dollars. No, he didn't. He gave me nothing. He gave you zero, Joe.

01:17:04 Speaker_06
He gave me nothing.

01:17:04 Speaker_10
He gave you zero because you thought, I think that this is what's best for the country, given the two options.

01:17:09 Speaker_06
I knew the resistance that it would face, but I think it's true. How much did Beyonce get? She got ten million dollars. Ten million! But, hold on. She talked for like three minutes. That's good. What do you mean that's good? I mean, that's enough.

01:17:22 Speaker_06
That's too much. No, no, it's plenty. It's perfect. 10 million! It's a good deal. It's a good deal, the taxpayers' money. I mean, it's a good deal, all these people that are, like, donating money to the Democratic Party, and they're $20 million in debt.

01:17:34 Speaker_06
It went to Beyonce, you mutants! This is the crazy thing. They're $20 million. They spent a billion dollars. They're $20 million in debt, and Trump offered to pay their debt.

01:17:42 Speaker_06
He's like, we have a lot of money left over, because most of our media was- We want to go- He called it earned media. I had to look it up. So earned media is essentially whenever he's in the news.

01:17:51 Speaker_06
Yeah, or when he's getting interviewed on shows or on podcast Yeah, that's earned media. That's what he did.

01:17:57 Speaker_10
Well, I just love people go. Why are you getting so passionate about this Jeff? It's like it's right in front of your eyes, right?

01:18:03 Speaker_10
you you have to pay someone 10 million to endorse a But then like B is doing it for free because they believe in that like idea which one seems more nefarious M&M took 1.8

01:18:16 Speaker_06
1.8. How do we know that's true? Because I said it.

01:18:20 Speaker_04
I have not found any evidence that supports this stuff. I think it's all legit. Some of them being asked and said I was not paid.

01:18:28 Speaker_06
But wait a minute. Oprah was paid.

01:18:29 Speaker_04
There was an FEC thing. Her company was paid to host an event. Okay.

01:18:34 Speaker_06
They paid her company a million dollars, dude.

01:18:37 Speaker_04
I'm just saying that's right. I don't know what happened and where they rested it. Right, right, right. She was not paid.

01:18:42 Speaker_06
A million dollars? What did she do that hosted an event?

01:18:47 Speaker_04
Did she put together an event, like cater an event? Campaign finance. I'll try to put it on the screen. show that they paid Harpo Productions for event production, it was paid for live streaming event, which I don't know how much that costs.

01:19:00 Speaker_04
Production costs of a live stream event, that could be money. She was not paid a personal fee for the event, she said I was paid nothing.

01:19:08 Speaker_06
Right, but she didn't donate her company to do this, she got paid for it. That's right, I don't know So this is where I got it. So she got a gig, is essentially what it is. She got a million dollar gig.

01:19:22 Speaker_10
5 million to Megan Thee Stallion, 3 million to Lizzo, 1.8 for Eminem.

01:19:26 Speaker_04
I know that's in this article, but it doesn't show like where- And 1 million for Oprah. That could be made up. Yeah, this is an Instagram list. Well, I didn't make it up, but that's what I read. I love it.

01:19:36 Speaker_06
I want it to be real. I want it to be real. Yeah.

01:19:39 Speaker_06
Yeah, well if it makes me believe in our earth better if they didn't if they just did it for free It makes me believe in the earth better if they did it because I don't want to think that Eminem really believed that shit You went out there for 1.8 There's no federal records showing campaign payments right Eminem or Megan the stallion so when it says mostly false like where that rumor emanate from Someone put it on Instagram, and it goes around people run wild with it because it sounds fun

01:20:10 Speaker_10
Hmm. I thought it was fun. Yeah, it is fun.

01:20:13 Speaker_04
I'm wrong.

01:20:14 Speaker_10
I'm willing to it, you know, I read it and I'm my blood-boiled Yeah, like what is going on Beyonce one is crazy.

01:20:20 Speaker_04
There's no evidence that it's true. It might be true Doesn't mean it's not just no current.

01:20:25 Speaker_06
No Mostly false, but this is political.

01:20:28 Speaker_04
Yeah, it could be a rumor.

01:20:29 Speaker_06
That kind of fact is Let me tell you if it is true, that's Lee crazy.

01:20:33 Speaker_10
Is that legal?

01:20:39 Speaker_06
Is it legal to pay Beyonce $10 million to talk at a political rally? I don't think so. There's all these little companies. Why would they pay her that much? That seems crazy. That does seem crazy.

01:20:51 Speaker_10
Desperate times.

01:20:52 Speaker_07
Yeah, but she doesn't need the money. No, I'm saying desperate times for the campaign trail.

01:20:56 Speaker_10
And then they go, I was going to endorse her anyways. I'll just do it for a little fee. My time is worth money. My private plane costs money. Can you cover that? Well, it seems suspicious.

01:21:07 Speaker_06
You know cuz when someone's got that kind of money to do something that people are gonna look down upon if they find out if it's true Yeah, that's what makes me skeptical because like someone who has that kind of money for her ten million dollars It sounds crazy to say this, but I believe that for Beyonce and Jay-z ten million dollars is not noticeable So I'm gonna change their life at all.

01:21:24 Speaker_06
No change in life, but but you still notice like I think they're billionaires, dude. I

01:21:28 Speaker_10
Beyonce's got almost a billion dollars.

01:21:30 Speaker_06
Yeah, I think he has a billion as well. I don't think they're gonna notice So that's like not gonna change your lifestyle But it could get you out of your house to go do a thing that puts you in the news Does that what she wants?

01:21:42 Speaker_10
Well think about the Super Bowl all those people that perform the Super Bowl halftime get paid zero dollars, right?

01:21:47 Speaker_06
But why do they do it? Tremendous advertisement because they do it but they perform she wasn't even performing. She's just talking and

01:21:54 Speaker_06
I mean, maybe 10 million bucks is 10 million bucks, you can't help it, even if you've got 2 billion dollars in the bank. But part of me is like, maybe I'm just looking at how I would look at it. Like, I wouldn't do shit.

01:22:05 Speaker_10
Well, I always think, and this may be my naivety to rich people, is that they don't have to be bought anymore because they're rich. You'd think that. That's how I think about it. It's easier to do things against my moral compass when I was broke.

01:22:20 Speaker_10
You'd say Jeff, we'll give you $500 go steal this thing because I'd be like, you know, I need 500 bucks Whereas like now I can be a little more generous with my money I can be a little more ethical Because I'm I'm in a place where I don't have to worry about the $500 isn't worth breaking some ethical code for me, right?

01:22:35 Speaker_06
But money isn't your existence if for some people money is a some score of how other doing in life. Mm-hmm And they get addicted to numbers. They get addicted to this idea of constantly.

01:22:46 Speaker_04
And they compare themselves to all the other people. This is from Fox News. They have Washington Examiner reporting that money was spent in ways, I guess you could argue, maybe

01:22:56 Speaker_06
Well, they spent six figures building the set for Call Her Daddy. People are saying that's outrageous, but that's not that outrageous. $100,000, you build a set, you have to lease a building, you have to bring in cameras and all that shit.

01:23:11 Speaker_06
I could see that being $100,000. Campaign spent at least $15 million on event production, FEC record show. with many payments lining up with high-profile events and concerts with celebrity attendees or performers. And that's how you do it.

01:23:25 Speaker_06
Because it's a performance. Right. So you pay them for performing. So you can pay them to perform. That's the difference. That's the difference. The truth is just an epic disaster. This is a $1 billion disaster.

01:23:34 Speaker_06
Lindy Lee, Harris surrogate and DNC National Finance Committee member told Fox & Friends Weekend on Saturday.

01:23:42 Speaker_06
So they did they just definitely spent a lot of money can't Harris campaign cut multiple six-figure Paychecks in September for left-leaning groups that have been vocal about defunding the police Reparations that are tied to radical activists who have supported notorious anti-semite Louis Farrakhan Fox News Digitally previously reported that's wild.

01:24:01 Speaker_06
So they cut checks to left-leaning groups So they spend money to get people to talk they give it to the groups the groups pay the performers and the people that speak

01:24:11 Speaker_06
Well, no, well you also the groups like you're paying them to be vocal Yeah, like by saying I cut multiple six-figure checks like you're funding these people to go out and do these things the FEC camp filings also spent north of 56 million dollars on payroll and payroll taxes in just three months and

01:24:33 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's crazy that payroll is is your performers finally also show the campaign gave an excess of a hundred million dollars to various consulting and marketing firms Including gambit strategies LLC DuPont circle strategies LLC and bully pulpit interactive LLC That is so crazy.

01:24:52 Speaker_06
They gave those folks a hundred million dollars and

01:24:55 Speaker_04
Yeah, so like 1 million dollars to Eminem could have been lost in there, but I'm just saying that yeah No, there it is.

01:25:00 Speaker_06
You have to find the evidence to write well I think with a guy like Eminem to he doesn't like performing like he's you know, he has a gore a phobia Like he's like he doesn't like leaving the house, which is crazy. I saw him.

01:25:13 Speaker_06
He killed it I saw him over here at the racetrack. He played at Coda. Yeah, it was awesome It was like a hundred thousand people were there because it was, I don't know what the real number is, I might have made that up, but a lot of people.

01:25:23 Speaker_06
A lot of people. Because it was there, people were there for Formula One, and they have this enormous place. Like I saw the Stones there, and I think it was, I mean, how many people's quota seat? I mean, it had to be 80,000 people.

01:25:35 Speaker_06
It's one of the biggest crowds I've ever seen. It was insane. This F1 starts to take off. But I saw Eminem there, he was great, but he performed so rarely.

01:25:42 Speaker_10
My buddy was at an F1 thing recently, and like at one of the concerts that was performing afterwards or something, Maybe it was just F1. I don't know. Maybe there wasn't a concert. Whatever it was, Michael Jordan was just hanging out.

01:25:53 Speaker_10
Michael Jordan had a hat on, a hood on, he had like the things over his ears from the noise of the car.

01:25:57 Speaker_10
And my buddy's like, hey man, like, you know, and then Jordan took like a selfie with him, chatted him up for a few minutes, and I was like, that's how popular it's getting. Like, you said the Eminem was performing at an F1 thing?

01:26:08 Speaker_06
Yeah, yeah, he performed that you know they had the race the races and then one night he performed That's crazy before I think he performed Sunday night or Saturday night.

01:26:16 Speaker_06
I saw just how post Malone there, too He was just there two weeks ago doing his country show. Yeah, he's doing like it's great. It's fucking I love that dude It's the best he's so much fun.

01:26:26 Speaker_06
He's such a fun dude, too Just fun to hang out with him to get to see him and give him a hug Okay, 100,000 people. So it was just a fucking insane huge crowd. He killed it too. I love that. But he doesn't like to do shows.

01:26:40 Speaker_06
So to get him out there for a political event, you gotta come with the cheddar. Yeah, you better pay the guy.

01:26:46 Speaker_07
Come with the cheddar.

01:26:47 Speaker_06
Especially if he doesn't do a lot of shows a year, 1.8 will go a long way. The guy lives in Detroit. Pretty easy. The price of living there is not that steep.

01:26:55 Speaker_10
Yeah. I also think that people care about money.

01:27:01 Speaker_06
Yeah, well, especially if you're a person who thinks about money all the time.

01:27:05 Speaker_06
That's what I was saying about like, I know rich dudes, I know dudes who are billionaires, who get uncomfortable when they're around 100 billionaires, because they feel like losers. That's wild.

01:27:16 Speaker_10
It's hilarious. It's like when you showed me all the planets in a row and I was going, like, that's what you just did with money.

01:27:21 Speaker_06
Yeah, because there's always layers to it. Like, I'm pretty wealthy, but I'm very poor compared to my friend, Elon. Yeah, like I'm a pauper.

01:27:29 Speaker_06
I'm like a dude living in a shitty studio apartment compared to that guy like that's what it's like I think there's like crazy levels to it, but also He works in a way.

01:27:38 Speaker_10
I am not willing to do he doesn't sleep That's one thing people don't talk about these really even Bill Gates whether you agree with him or not like the dude was willing to like Sleep like a fish where you take like he'd sleep for like 15 minutes and wake up and program again like he worked really hard Yeah to become Bill Gates

01:27:54 Speaker_06
Oh, yeah, there's no doubt and without Microsoft like who knows where we'd be without the Windows operating system. Oh my god It was fucking everywhere.

01:28:02 Speaker_10
It was everything.

01:28:03 Speaker_10
He's also cured like 500 things these like small like little Nonprofits will say well, there's this disease called this you got how much you need they go a million bucks We think maybe and then he just gives them a money and then they close they go.

01:28:16 Speaker_10
What are we gonna work on now? We cured it

01:28:19 Speaker_08
Really?

01:28:20 Speaker_10
You sure about that? Is this another one of these ones I got wrong?

01:28:24 Speaker_06
Yeah, it might be one of these ones. There's a thing called philanthrocapitalism. Philanthrocapitalism is you're acting like a philanthropist, but you're making a lot of money through this.

01:28:34 Speaker_06
He invested a lot of money in the mRNA vaccines, and that's why he was promoting it, and he made like $500 million. Sure, sure. Then after he dumped his stock, he started talking shit about it.

01:28:42 Speaker_06
It wasn't really that good, the virus wasn't that dangerous, like what?

01:28:46 Speaker_09
Where was this guy?

01:28:47 Speaker_10
Well, but I'm saying like all these I don't know how to look up if he's cured any diseases or anything I don't know how you'd look that up. Is there a way to look that up?

01:28:55 Speaker_04
They've invested in efforts to develop cures for those for diseases. For sure. They've also invested in pharmaceuticals. But they didn't fix it. The only one I know that's close I think is sickle cell, but I think didn't they just pull back?

01:29:07 Speaker_04
We would have heard about that if they cured sickle cell.

01:29:09 Speaker_06
Do you know where sickle cell came from?

01:29:10 Speaker_10
I thought that he cured all these small ones.

01:29:12 Speaker_06
You know where sickle cell came from?

01:29:13 Speaker_10
No.

01:29:13 Speaker_06
It came from resistance to malaria. Really? Isn't that crazy? Yeah, the people that experience malaria that's tracked down in their genes and they pass it on to their ancestors. That's where sickle... I had a buddy of mine who died from sickle cell.

01:29:27 Speaker_06
When I was a kid, a guy I used to do TaeKwonDo with, a dude named Walter. He was an awesomely talented guy. But like, he would get like real sick, man. He just couldn't train, couldn't come in for months.

01:29:36 Speaker_04
Yeah, there was a new drug that came out this year, I think, that they thought was going to be like ending it, but they've had to quickly pull it off. Brought to you by Pfizer. Of course. Some people died. They died from it?

01:29:47 Speaker_04
Anticipated number, higher than anticipated number of deaths reported in trials.

01:29:51 Speaker_06
Indicating the benefits of the drug no longer outweigh the risks. So it kills people quicker than sickle, so. I guess that's a solution of sorts. You spend so many of those drugs. You know 33%? Is that what it is?

01:30:04 Speaker_06
30 something percent of all drugs the FDA approves get pulled? They're like, whoopsies. Yeah, we tried.

01:30:10 Speaker_10
What's the matter, you know? You ever read that book? I think it's called like 19... I don't know the name of the book. It's named after a year. I think it's... Not the George Orwell book. No, not George Orwell. It's called... Gosh it's a what's it about?

01:30:30 Speaker_10
I'm trying to look in my in my audible for this book, but the basically the premise is this guy cures cancer

01:30:36 Speaker_06
Why don't you search and type in the number 19? Maybe. But it might be called 2020 or something. Oh, you don't remember?

01:30:43 Speaker_10
No, it's a... I listen to a lot of books. What's it called? I'll find it. Okay. But the premise is this guy cures cancer, and then at first everyone's great. He becomes the richest guy in the world. Everyone's happy that he cured cancer.

01:30:58 Speaker_10
But then people start to resent him because they're like, you know, I should have already had my inheritance by now.

01:31:04 Speaker_10
This guy's playing God keeping my parents alive longer than they should there becomes like these ideas of like no He's wrong for doing this. He's affected society. Like there's no real estate being freed up as quick now People should just die.

01:31:17 Speaker_10
However, they die naturally and it's it's a fun little yeah, it's not obviously not real or nothing, but the the was an interesting kind of way to look at things and

01:31:28 Speaker_06
Wow, that's a sociopath's way of looking at things. Imagine that, like, what you're thinking is, if someone dies, I get their stuff. Why don't they just die?

01:31:36 Speaker_10
It's disgusting. But I could see how groups would start to think that. You know, like, that's how, like, life is. You do a good idea.

01:31:42 Speaker_10
Look at the systems that we put in place, like, back in the day, and now everyone looks like that was just their way to trap people in the projects.

01:31:48 Speaker_10
You're like, at first, it was, like, a really nice idea, like, that they wanted to give people that couldn't afford places in the city. But it's all been...

01:31:57 Speaker_06
That's why how people react to that one dude is trying to live to be 2,000 years old in that one guy Who's gets like young guys blood injected in?

01:32:05 Speaker_06
Things it's like I seem so many people mad at him if everybody lived everybody lived 500 years the whole world would be overcrowded Yeah

01:32:15 Speaker_10
But everyone's not trying to do it.

01:32:17 Speaker_06
Yeah, also if I could give you a pill and you would be healthy Just take this one pill you'll be healthy for 150 years. You're not gonna.

01:32:24 Speaker_10
Take it shut the fuck up It's called 2030 by Albert Brooks Okay

01:32:30 Speaker_10
But it's interesting just kind of like yeah, cuz you start to do see how like over time people just misconstrue things enough time goes by People are willing to do all sorts of mental gymnastics.

01:32:41 Speaker_06
I mean, that's how this whole gender-affirming care thing exactly We would never let kids get tattoos. We're letting them get their dicks chopped off. Oh, yeah says who?

01:32:48 Speaker_10
Why what 30 years ago if you said that we'd be debating or even right having to have a conversation that's controversial about whether a guy can be a woman right and

01:32:57 Speaker_10
They would laugh in the streets at us, you know, and now it's real So I just like that's kind of how the book does a really good job of describing like they would just resent that guy after a while They would hate him for carrying cancer some people would there's always gonna be weak bitches in this world And they exist that you just think you're talking about your parents.

01:33:14 Speaker_06
I don't want to be like that Yeah, that's what we bitches are there for their weak behavior jealous behavior. You learn from it you go. Oh, okay Yeah

01:33:25 Speaker_10
I feel like that with a ton of people in my life right now.

01:33:27 Speaker_06
Hell yeah. You're gonna always, they're there. They're always gonna be there. There's some people that just, they're not gonna keep up and you can't keep them in your life either.

01:33:36 Speaker_10
You just can't you got to keep moving Yeah, some people are never gonna run out of problems and they're never gonna run out of friends to throw those problems out Yeah, I was telling you this earlier but like like the day after the election like I like woke up was with my buddies It's just sitting there and I was about to open up my phone for the first time Since since Trump wins the election.

01:33:55 Speaker_10
I just took a deep breath. I was like I I'm gonna lose a lot of friends today.

01:34:00 Speaker_06
I was just about to post some shit and like just like I was so... You're not losing friends though. You're losing friends that weren't really your friends. They were friends with conditions.

01:34:08 Speaker_06
You know, Ron White is a giant Kamala Harris supporter, believe it or not. Ron White always votes blue. He's one of them low information voters. Like you start giving him facts, he falls apart.

01:34:17 Speaker_09
But he'll fucking tell you, that guy shouldn't be the fucking president. He's a good president.

01:34:24 Speaker_06
I love him to death. He's one of my best friends. I don't care. That's how things should work. That's how it's supposed to work. He has different political ideas. He has different ways of thinking about things. That's fine.

01:34:35 Speaker_10
It's broke my heart that a lot of people have treated me the way, because I feel like people were fine with conservative Jeff. They knew that I'm a Christian and that I lean right, and especially now lean even more right.

01:34:48 Speaker_10
But they didn't really draw a line until I became supportive of Donald Trump. That's when they drew a line and they go, we don't want to talk to you anymore. I don't think I moved.

01:34:55 Speaker_06
And that broke my heart. I don't think I moved right at all. I stayed. But the whole thing is moved. That's what I'm saying.

01:35:02 Speaker_10
I haven't changed many of my thoughts. It's just that it's gone. What was a Democrat is now Republican.

01:35:08 Speaker_06
There's a few of my thoughts that I used to be all in on, and now I'm like, hmm. And this is just about human psychology. I was all in on universal basic income, which I think is going to be necessary in the future, because I think automation.

01:35:22 Speaker_06
That's something Andrew Yang talked about when he was running for president. I think he's correct. That automation and AI is going to just consume so many, especially AI, it's going to consume so many jobs.

01:35:33 Speaker_06
There's going to be so many people that have to rethink their life and figure it out. And I think if we don't compensate those people somehow or another, we're going to have a real fucking chaotic problem on our hands.

01:35:43 Speaker_06
Just to keep people happy and healthy, I think universal basic income might be the way to go.

01:35:48 Speaker_06
But I used to always think like, hey, maybe if we gave universal basic income to people, then they would still be ambitious, but they'd be ambitious in pursuing their own career, or developing their own business, or taking that money and using it to be free.

01:36:01 Speaker_06
But now I think that human nature, if you give people, there's so many people that if you don't give them a difficult problem to solve, and if you provide them with all their needs, their food and their shelter, they just

01:36:14 Speaker_09
Get lazy. Which is what you don't like.

01:36:17 Speaker_06
Right. So there's two things going on simultaneously. One, we have to address the fact that there is no way to get around the fact that automation and AI is going to consume a lot of jobs.

01:36:25 Speaker_06
And I think universal basic income is probably the only solution for some of those people. But then there's also the psychology aspect of it.

01:36:32 Speaker_06
Like if you do tell people you never have to work again, most people never have to work again, and they're going to regret it someday.

01:36:38 Speaker_06
One day they're going to look at all these people they admire, that have accomplished things, that live these fun, exciting lives, successful lives, and they're going to feel envy, and they're going to feel despair, and they're going to feel like they could have done something more with their life.

01:36:51 Speaker_10
But they got trapped the siren song of comfort led them into the rocks That's the devil the comfort a hundred percent like like all my friends, right my friends Not all my friends, but during like kovid they're like, what am I gonna do?

01:37:05 Speaker_10
And this is like really stressful and I don't have any right and then they got their government money right for for You know being out of work and you know what they did joe.

01:37:14 Speaker_10
They bought guitars and baseball cards and it's like I don't think you were as struggling as you thought you were

01:37:21 Speaker_10
It's never enough, you know, so it's like you've got it like if you give them they'll say well this isn't basic and this basic income It's not enough for me to really live because what is really living, you know, like so it's just always gonna be more, right?

01:37:37 Speaker_10
So it's like it's flustering to try to solve that, you know at the hard works the answer, right?

01:37:42 Speaker_06
Well, you're not going to feel happy with no purpose. And that is another thing that we found during COVID. One of the things like people were so at each other's throats at during COVID. It's because everyone was at home. They were all fucking bored.

01:37:55 Speaker_06
Drunk. Freaking out and just like attacking people over everything. Wear a fucking mask. I know. Like everyone was out of their mind. I lost my mind.

01:38:04 Speaker_06
It's like most people did especially if you're seeing your life go away Because you maybe you've worked 30 years develop a business then all sudden some new thing comes along You have to shut your business down for a year and a half.

01:38:15 Speaker_06
It's not gonna work I don't have money right and you can't get a loan and like oh my god in the the lease payments for the building They keep coming in like what am I gonna do?

01:38:25 Speaker_07
And then you're on to all small businesses that they claim they care about God

01:38:29 Speaker_06
They crushed so many fucking restaurants.

01:38:31 Speaker_10
Yeah, they almost crushed the comedy store Oh, I haven't made money in six months And now a different groups gonna break the windows out of that place that I didn't even so all at the same time Yeah, that's enough to make people and people are saying defund the police at the same time.

01:38:44 Speaker_06
You're like, oh, this is great

01:38:45 Speaker_10
That's enough to change my political opinions, and it's enough for a psychopath to grab a gun and go, hey, maybe don't knock out the windows of my store. It was just too much at once.

01:38:54 Speaker_06
If someone comes along from the left that is an objective, sensible person that's making sense of immigration, foreign policy, then I'm still left. I'm still the same person. Because socially I'm left on almost everything. On almost everything.

01:39:14 Speaker_06
The hard right is to me just like the hard left. The crazy fucks that are out there on the fringes and they sort of define the left and define the right for everybody. You define the right by white supremacists, KKK. You define the left by Antifa.

01:39:31 Speaker_06
Jesus Christ. Most people are right here.

01:39:34 Speaker_05
Sure.

01:39:34 Speaker_06
Most people are like, I just want rules and law and everybody be kind and healthy and a prosperous society and no pollution. And yeah, I feel like we could all work together and do a better job of all these different things.

01:39:45 Speaker_10
But like Jordan Peterson says, who's like my favorite human in the world. I love him so much. But he was saying like, it's really easy to identify and rebuke the far right.

01:39:54 Speaker_10
Like we're very good at identifying it and going, I devout or disavow or whatever the term is, we don't want that.

01:40:00 Speaker_10
But then with the left, the very extreme left, we kind of celebrate it and we post it and we brag about it and we go, look how good I am.

01:40:07 Speaker_06
I think they thought, finally we have thugs. You know, yeah, it's one of those things. I'm against the far left. It's the bullies I am and the far right far right.

01:40:16 Speaker_06
It's the bullies It's the bullies on both sides the people that just want to use a group and have a bunch of people They're all together an attack Yeah, and just go smash windows and light things on fire.

01:40:27 Speaker_06
And then there's also they get funded to do that, too Yeah, all this shit that you're seeing where the Harris where they funded all these different organizations

01:40:37 Speaker_06
People fund through political through packs through all sorts of different methods fund all sorts of organizations Donate to all sorts of organizations some of these organizations cause problems Yeah, and they do it because they want them to do it.

01:40:52 Speaker_06
They want problem. Yeah When you see stacks of bricks laying around yep I'm not buying it. I'm not buying this. Someone left $30,000 worth of bricks around. They were just doing construction.

01:41:04 Speaker_06
Just conveniently happened at the same time the protest is here.

01:41:08 Speaker_10
Everyone loves coincidences.

01:41:10 Speaker_06
What a coincidence. They think it's all a coincidence. What are you, a conspiracy theorist? But it's just, you know, and that is another group thing, you know, about being a part of the group.

01:41:21 Speaker_06
If you're a part of a group that's yelling and lighting things on fire, you know how much fun that must be? Oh, yeah. It's happening. Especially, you're doing it to support black people. Who doesn't want to support black people? I'm the best.

01:41:31 Speaker_06
Yeah, exactly. Let's light up Starbucks. You know, and Starbucks was like, what did I do? I didn't do anything!

01:41:37 Speaker_10
At least when I supported my group, I didn't get a free Xbox. You know what I'm saying? I don't think you really care about what you believe in if you're getting lamps and shit.

01:41:45 Speaker_06
And then in New York, they have the dumbest way of handling it. They just let people burn themselves out. It's crazy. That de Blasio was the worst. You know that's not even his real name? No. Yeah. What's de Blasio's real name?

01:41:58 Speaker_06
It's some crazy, like, villain name. His real name's Mookie Bits. No, it's like a villain. He sounds like a villain. What's his real name? He changed his name to fit in with- Warren Wilhelm Jr. Warren Wilhelm Jr. Or Bill de Blas- yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:42:16 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's a fuckin- that's an evil name. That is for sure.

01:42:19 Speaker_09
Warren de Blasio Wilhelm.

01:42:22 Speaker_06
Yeah.

01:42:22 Speaker_10
Warren Wilhelm Jr. I like to call myself Jeff Dice- Change his name! Jeff Dice Sr. And people are like, oh, it's your son? I don't know. No, no, but if I, you know, just Jeff Tye Sr.

01:42:32 Speaker_06
If I have a kid, it's gonna be Jeff Jr. I'm Jeff Sr. I'm Jeff Sr. Yeah, I'm just preparing for the day of my family. You're Joe Rogan Sr. It's perfect. This is fucking so funny, though, that the guy changed his name to make it ethnic. Oh, yeah.

01:42:44 Speaker_09
De Blasio! Hey, De Blasio, the man in New York! Right, I'm the guy, guy by the goo, yeah. De Blasio knows how to take care of you. Eat the fries, get a vaccine. Come on.

01:42:54 Speaker_10
William? What happened? No, no, Bill! Bill de Blasio! Aren't you old man Wilhelm's kid, you know?

01:43:00 Speaker_09
No, no, no, no, no! That's not me!

01:43:03 Speaker_06
That's really funny. That's not me. I'm the guy who pays taxpayers' money to interpretive dance performers with masks on in the middle of the street. You ever see that?

01:43:12 Speaker_10
You're like Alec Baldwin's wife. You remember her? Did you ever see de Blasio? Oh, that lady's great. Dude, she's from Connecticut, and she's like, how do you say orange? Is it orange? I'm from Spain. It just made up a whole ad, like that's crazy to me.

01:43:26 Speaker_10
It's so crazy.

01:43:27 Speaker_05
That's mentally crazy. She must be so fun. Sexually, yeah, amazing. I bet she's fun.

01:43:35 Speaker_06
Any kind of gal that pretends she's a different name. That's wild. That lady's fun. What was I just asking? Oh, the video where de Blasio had the performative dancers.

01:43:46 Speaker_05
Oh, yes.

01:43:47 Speaker_06
Listen to this. Take it from the beginning so you can hear how fucking stupid this is. Look at this. They all have masks on outside.

01:43:55 Speaker_01
We need a recovery that brings back the life and the heart and the energy of this city and that everyone gets to be a part of. We're going to do that. We're going to really bring back the heart and soul of New York City.

01:44:05 Speaker_01
We need our arts and culture back and we need people to see it and feel it, to participate in it, to know that that essence of New York City has not been defeated by the coronavirus. We will come back strong in 2021.

01:44:18 Speaker_00
month after month in 2021 as you see the city come back to life culture will lead the way culture is another step towards a recovery for our city we're launching with 115 street locations in all five borders and it brings stations to our neighborhoods and culture to the heart of our neighbors i wonder how many of those 115 people

01:44:38 Speaker_06
And 150 neighborhoods shot at those dancers.

01:44:42 Speaker_10
Although when I think of New York City, I do think of people spazzing out in masks like that. But I do think of them going like this, like on drugs, asking me for money. That's what I think of when I think of New York. This is peak woke.

01:44:53 Speaker_06
This is absolute peak woke insanity. Stupid, shitty, out of rhythm dancing to terrible music while everybody's wearing masks outside. And they spent money on this. And this was his way of bringing the city back through culture.

01:45:08 Speaker_10
It's just so unlikeable.

01:45:10 Speaker_06
It's peak woke. I think this moment, this video, the historians will look back at this. This is when they clearly lost their fucking mind. The biggest metropolitan city on earth. The one. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere.

01:45:26 Speaker_06
That retard is the mayor and this is what he's doing with the taxpayer money while he's got the whole city shut down. And he wanted to defund the police. And he let people riot and smash windows and steal things. We need to bring our culture back.

01:45:39 Speaker_06
You need to leave the job. You're terrible at this job.

01:45:42 Speaker_10
But people are going to go, oh, you believe that? That wasn't real. Yeah, they're going to go, oh, come on.

01:45:48 Speaker_06
Peak woke insanity. If you tried to do that at any other time in history, if that was in 1990 and the mayor of New York had people dancing with masks on in the street, everybody like,

01:45:58 Speaker_10
What the fuck is this someone bully them immediately? Yeah, like what is happening?

01:46:03 Speaker_06
How did you lose your fucking mind? But they that was when everybody was so confused and so mentally ill I think as a society we mentally had a cold. We're all oh No one felt healthy. Yeah, the whole country was mentally ill.

01:46:16 Speaker_06
Yeah legitimately Yeah, that's how they that's it.

01:46:20 Speaker_10
Oh, yeah, that's but you know what they'll say each other go. Oh, that was 2020, dude Because they'll dismiss it as crazy. They'll go, oh, that's different.

01:46:29 Speaker_09
That's 2020.

01:46:30 Speaker_10
He's going to bring up 2020 again. That was 40 months ago. Right. Let it go. Exactly. Where's the apologies? What's the big deal? Where's the, hey, we were, uh, hey, you know, maybe we were wrong about that. When are you ever going to hear that?

01:46:45 Speaker_06
Not only do they not admit that they were wrong, but now they're the victims. Yeah. You know, everybody else is spreading misinformation and we have to censor online speeches. What about you guys?

01:46:56 Speaker_06
You got us into the Iraq war with misinformation, you cunts.

01:47:00 Speaker_10
I've been wrong all the time. And I just go, yeah, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know. I've been wrong on this fucking podcast right now. But like the left will just go, no, that's different.

01:47:10 Speaker_10
Like, I'm like, just can you just at least say we're sorry for calling you a Super spreading jerk cuz you wanted to leave your house to get coffee. Can I get one?

01:47:19 Speaker_06
Yeah, they were wrong about everything and they gas lit the whole fucking world And they got away with it and they got away with it and they almost got away with Demonizing their political opponent and putting him in jail.

01:47:31 Speaker_06
They almost caught him in jail. Oh my god real close. Yeah, that's so scary convicted him 34 felonies for things that aren't even felonies

01:47:37 Speaker_10
And also people can't even tell you what those felonies are. It's more fun to call someone a felon.

01:47:42 Speaker_06
Yeah, well that's why he got convicted in the first place. It was all political.

01:47:45 Speaker_10
It was like name-calling.

01:47:47 Speaker_06
The whole world just lost its mind in four years. In four years, everybody just, it was like, there was so many contributing factors. The hatred of Trump, and then there was the coronavirus, the chaos, and then- The racism, the sexism.

01:48:00 Speaker_06
Yeah, the George Floyd thing, and then Biden seems to be dead, and he's still running the country, like what's happening?

01:48:05 Speaker_10
I know.

01:48:06 Speaker_06
And then, you know, and then now, finally, when Trump won, it was like the first time in a long time, I was like, yeah, maybe we're gonna be okay. Well, you see the stuff that he's saying, I love it. I'm very optimistic about it.

01:48:18 Speaker_06
Yeah, this is like what most logical, sensible people have been saying.

01:48:22 Speaker_10
Well, and also like the the double standard is just really fascinating to me is like like What's the Bosa guy from the 49ers?

01:48:30 Speaker_10
He comes in like while they're interviewing the guys that were the stars of the game He runs up and puts his MAGA hat on and then he like leaves and everyone's like well He's gonna have to be fined for that.

01:48:39 Speaker_10
Like you can't make political statements I'm like, I don't know if you remember that BLM that was like on the field like all their helmets said

01:48:49 Speaker_06
That's not a political statement. Pretty political. It's a cultural statement more than it's a politician you're supporting. There's a big difference between what someone you're supporting... You don't find that political?

01:48:58 Speaker_06
Stop, don't shoot isn't political? It's not political in a sense where someone's running for office.

01:49:04 Speaker_06
So there's a difference between like you're promoting someone running for office while it's on television and they don't want you doing that on television. The other thing is like you're taking a cultural stand. It's a different thing.

01:49:16 Speaker_06
It's got political aspects to it. It's political in nature. It's supported primarily by the left.

01:49:21 Speaker_10
Right.

01:49:22 Speaker_06
But it's not the same.

01:49:24 Speaker_10
It's not vote for so and so.

01:49:25 Speaker_06
Right.

01:49:26 Speaker_10
Right, but if you were if he had a vote for Harris hat on a bit right give a fuck Yeah, but that is the interesting like I remember seeing that going We're gonna have to find all those other players who wore defund the police on their things and yeah, you know little different It's different.

01:49:42 Speaker_06
It's a social issue, but I think the point's the same.

01:49:44 Speaker_06
It's like these guys are you it's also It's like how many of these fucking dudes who do this stuff just do it because they know they're gonna get social media cred Oh, yeah, that's tough to figure out too

01:49:53 Speaker_06
Yeah, there's a lot of that in the world today Like when people know that you can say certain things get it's hard to know what you really think, right?

01:50:01 Speaker_10
I've gotten accused of pandering right?

01:50:03 Speaker_10
They're like, oh he's pandering to the right or whatever Yeah, no finesse Mitchell goes you good real political lately to me and I was like, we're just saying what I think also like I'd tell you this like to is like when I was in Seattle and

01:50:16 Speaker_10
And I was making jokes, nobody goes, wow, you're really leaning into this left stuff. When comics are going up and talking about all the things they talk about, I don't go, oh, trying to make that Obama money, huh?

01:50:26 Speaker_10
No, they're just saying what they think. Nobody ever accuses people of pandering until you do it on the conservative side. Then they think you're pandering.

01:50:35 Speaker_06
People do like when they catch people pandering, though.

01:50:38 Speaker_10
If you can catch them, but how do you know?

01:50:39 Speaker_06
Well, they like to accuse people of pandering if they disagree with what that person says.

01:50:44 Speaker_10
Bingo. And our community, as far as stand-up comedians, has been very left-leaning.

01:50:47 Speaker_07
Always.

01:50:48 Speaker_10
And I've never once gone, oh, you're pandering to fit in here, or you're pandering to get on The Tonight Show, or you're pandering to get on Jimmy Kimmel.

01:50:54 Speaker_06
Some people definitely do, though.

01:50:56 Speaker_10
For sure. But I never accuse them of that, because how am I supposed to know if they really feel like that way or not?

01:50:59 Speaker_06
Right. I don't care if you pander. I really don't care, as long as it's funny. If you you're pandering, but it's really hilarious, but the problem with me, but what I really get grossed out by is clapped er.

01:51:10 Speaker_10
Oh, yeah I'm guilty of it sometimes lately for sure just in certain scenarios.

01:51:14 Speaker_06
I've done it. Yeah where people just Say things to people gonna clap and agree to Like hey, you missed a whole part of this whole formula. We're all participating in here. This is a comedy club We're coming here for fun hundred percent Yeah

01:51:29 Speaker_10
Yeah, and I think also too, it's like, that's why it's hard, that's why it's really rough to accuse someone of it.

01:51:34 Speaker_05
Yeah.

01:51:34 Speaker_10
Because you don't know, like, what is the difference between pandering and just playing to a crowd?

01:51:39 Speaker_02
Mm-hmm.

01:51:40 Speaker_10
Or you go, oh, hey Joe, you gotta read the crowd. Right. Well, what's the difference between pandering and reading the crowd?

01:51:45 Speaker_06
Yeah.

01:51:45 Speaker_10
I guess reading a crowd is pandering, so then I guess yes, in a way, I'm guilty of it, but we all are.

01:51:50 Speaker_06
Yeah, I guess. I've never been one for reading a crowd. I was like- You just do your thing. Let's find out.

01:51:56 Speaker_10
I like that.

01:51:57 Speaker_06
Let's find out how much this stuff works.

01:51:59 Speaker_10
In Madison, Wisconsin, they go, did- or no, I was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Somewhere in Wisconsin. The people after the show go, I bet you don't do that material in LA. I go, damn sure I do.

01:52:09 Speaker_06
Yeah, I do.

01:52:09 Speaker_10
Yeah, I do this material in LA for sure.

01:52:11 Speaker_06
Yeah, people have this bizarre idea that you change your act depending upon who's in the crowd.

01:52:16 Speaker_10
Right.

01:52:17 Speaker_06
You know how hard it is to come up with all this stuff? Yeah.

01:52:19 Speaker_10
Like fucking six months come up with 20 part of that one new jokes needs to be blossomed into a thing It needs to be water, but I will say like I'll change the you know read a crowd like if it's a corporate event I'm gonna do different material I'll do different words of the same bits and things if I have to like I have to adjust you know I

01:52:35 Speaker_06
Yeah. Oh, that's a different gig though, right?

01:52:37 Speaker_10
Yeah.

01:52:38 Speaker_06
The corporate gig is just, I'm only like hiking up my skirt and stick my ass up in the air.

01:52:43 Speaker_10
Dude. That's all it is. That's the real luxury of being a successful, like as successful as, you know, a lot of you comedians are.

01:52:50 Speaker_06
You don't have to do that.

01:52:51 Speaker_10
You don't have to do that. The corporate gigs- I don't have to, but I still get offered it and I say yes, and I'm going, oh, stuff.

01:52:58 Speaker_06
Yeah, Ron White did one. He goes, uh, I did it because they offered me a fuckload of money and it was the worst experience I ever had in my fucking life.

01:53:05 Speaker_09
It's stressful. Why'd you do it? You shouldn't have done it. It was fucking terrible.

01:53:10 Speaker_10
Yeah. It's stressful. It also is kind of exciting though. I kind of crave those moments where I'm like nervous again. Like in February when I came and did Mothership for the first time, I was like, oh this is exciting behind the camera.

01:53:19 Speaker_10
I'm a little nervous. I'm a little nervous to go out there. You're up in the balcony. I'm going, I'm a little like, I like this. Like the first time I did the Tonight Show, I had all these like butterflies. I live for those kind of moments.

01:53:32 Speaker_10
You know, sometimes I'll take a corporate, I'm going home. You should do a live special. I'm pretty nervous. I'd love to. Yeah, that's... I'd love to.

01:53:38 Speaker_06
I did that because it made me nervous. I said no to it at first.

01:53:41 Speaker_05
Really?

01:53:41 Speaker_06
Yeah. I was like... It's done.

01:53:43 Speaker_05
One shot.

01:53:44 Speaker_06
Yeah, but then I thought, oh, why are you being a pussy? And then I called my manager back. I said, don't say no yet. Let me call you tomorrow. I called him the next day. I'm like, all right, we're good.

01:53:51 Speaker_10
I love it. I think that's the future.

01:53:53 Speaker_06
Well, it's definitely, you prepare for it more and you think about it in a different way than a regular show. Like, I prepared so much more than I ever do normally.

01:54:02 Speaker_10
We didn't have to sit around approving edits from people at a big corporation with a bunch of laptops who aren't creative, who go, maybe this bit, and you go, I'm the comedian, why are you editing that? So I think live is the future.

01:54:14 Speaker_06
I had to do that once with Comedy Central. I had a Comedy Central deal to do a special and I bailed on it.

01:54:20 Speaker_10
Oh really?

01:54:20 Speaker_06
Yeah, just after the phone call. I'm like, nope, can't do this. It's like, you can't say that. I'm like, why not? Talking about do you guys want funny or not funny?

01:54:30 Speaker_06
Cable they've changed their standards though and then like by 2014 I got away with a lot I got away with a lot when I did a Comedy Central special in 2014, but they now I don't even know what they make anymore other than South Park and

01:54:46 Speaker_06
Comedy Central? I mean, do they even have South Park anymore?

01:54:48 Speaker_10
I'm not sure if they're making new episodes, but they have that, they play a lot of reruns of things, and then they also have all those daily shows and all that stuff does good for them.

01:54:54 Speaker_06
Okay, daily show, of course. But, like, they used to have so many shows. I know. I just don't think TV can compete with Internet anymore. No. And they had an app, too. I know Comedy Central had an app for a while.

01:55:05 Speaker_06
I don't know if they still have that running. Do they still have a Comedy Central app? You want to hear a good story about... They got folded into Paramount, I believe. Oh, that makes sense. And that's where the new South Park episodes are, right?

01:55:15 Speaker_10
What's that comedian's name that Joe List just made a documentary about? Gosh, he's a great guy from Boston. He now lives in the Keys of Florida. He's a Boston comic, kind of a legend.

01:55:27 Speaker_04
Tom Dustin.

01:55:27 Speaker_10
Tom Dustin, yeah. There's a great Tom Dustin story in Boston.

01:55:31 Speaker_10
where the women that ran Comedy Central were like in the crowd and it's like a showcase thing and the owner's like just keep it clean this is you know that's the thing and Tom Dustin's already kind of a controversial guy as far as like the booker was like you know you know our reputation here and we're letting you do this because we want to help you but like play ball so Tom Dustin goes out there and he's struggling a bit

01:55:54 Speaker_10
And then he, just in the middle of the set, he just decides, I don't want to do this, you know, like I don't want to jump through these hoops.

01:56:01 Speaker_10
So he goes, I heard Comedy Central's here, and everyone claps, and he goes, how many fat, bearded, unfunny fucks are you going to put on the network this year? And everyone's like mortified.

01:56:13 Speaker_10
And then he's like, they're lighting him, get off the stage, get off the stage. And then he raps, he's like, that's it, I'm out of here. And then he comes back and he goes, oh, I forgot, you're all a bunch of N-word cunts. Whoa.

01:56:26 Speaker_10
Yeah, just says that to the audience. Because he just wanted to stick it to the comedy club and the people at that. Yeah. That's the guy? Tom Dustin, yeah, he's a legend, dude. I don't know him. Great fucking funny guy, dude.

01:56:41 Speaker_06
Must have missed him.

01:56:42 Speaker_10
He's, uh, you know, he's grinding. He's grinding it out, one of those Boston boys. And where does he live now? Now he lives in, uh, he started a comedy club in Key West.

01:56:50 Speaker_06
What's it called? Uh, I haven't played. Because I know there's a comedy club in Key West that a lot of people go down to.

01:56:55 Speaker_10
It's supposed to be a fun gig. Doug does it all, Stan Hub does it. I know Swartzen, I don't know if Swartzen's done it, but, uh, I know Swartzen was down there when I was down there.

01:57:04 Speaker_05
So he just works his own club?

01:57:05 Speaker_10
Yeah, just made his own, started his own club. He's happy. Pretty cool. That's kind of what I did.

01:57:10 Speaker_04
Comedy Key West. You guys did it in different ways, Joe. Joe List there. Joe List.

01:57:15 Speaker_10
Oh, yeah, there you go. Sam Talent, that's pretty cool. I should fucking take a trip down to Key West. Comedy Key West, hell yeah.

01:57:19 Speaker_06
It's great. Might be fun to do a gig down there, just for funsies.

01:57:22 Speaker_10
Yeah, that'd help him out a lot, too.

01:57:24 Speaker_06
It's a fun area. Those people are wild people. I mean, that's been a wild place for a long-ass time. Very uncharted territory. Yeah, kind of like, you know, nomads, like fucking Matt Maxx-type shit.

01:57:35 Speaker_07
I like it there, yeah.

01:57:36 Speaker_10
And you can't just fly into the Keys. I mean, if you can, I didn't know that you could, because I had to drive. Dave Williamson drove me for like three hours, like, how long have we been in the Keys? He's like, the gig's up here, don't worry.

01:57:48 Speaker_10
You gotta go by cruise ship. That's, well, I think that's how they get there, actually. Have you done cruises? Been on cruises? No? No.

01:57:57 Speaker_05
Yeah.

01:57:58 Speaker_10
Not me, dude.

01:57:59 Speaker_05
Not into it.

01:58:00 Speaker_10
Uh-uh.

01:58:00 Speaker_06
Yeah. No.

01:58:01 Speaker_10
Well, you know what's funny about the cruise ships while we're talking about, like, corporate corruption? It's international waters. So, like, the casino... They can just kill you.

01:58:09 Speaker_10
Well, the casino, you're like, this kind of is... this kind of feels unfair. And they're like, well, who are you gonna complain to? No one. There's no pit boss that goes, oh, don't worry, this is all sanctioned by the... Of course it's unfair.

01:58:19 Speaker_10
It's there to get you drunk and steal your money. Oh, and the games are rigged. You go, I would like to talk to the casino commission. They go, shut up, you're in the middle of the ocean. And you talk to the guy that works there.

01:58:31 Speaker_10
You're like, hey buddy, how much do you make? And they're like, I make like a dollar a week. It's some crazy thing. You go, they're just allowed to do that? They give them free food and a bed. Yeah.

01:58:40 Speaker_06
And the guy's like, more than where I live. How about those folks that live on cruise ships? You know those certain folks that gave up their house and they just live on a cruise ship all year round?

01:58:48 Speaker_10
I will say, and I promise I'm not trying to be contrarian here, because I love Tim Dillon, I love all these guys who will shit on cruise ships, and they're right.

01:58:55 Speaker_10
Every bit of criticism that my favorite people in my life criticize about cruise ships, the other side of that coin is, some people just want to eat shit and look at things. They want to be fed. There are some people, it's nice for my dad, you know?

01:59:10 Speaker_10
He's happy to just go, okay, what are they playing, Rush Hour 2? It's okay. Those people are enjoying it.

01:59:17 Speaker_06
Sure, it's a vacation and you're with a whole bunch of people. Sunburnt, you're all sitting around. You got water slides and fucking all kinds of shit to do. It's fine for them. I get it. It's not my brain. Right, I don't want to do it.

01:59:31 Speaker_06
I don't sync up that way. Nightmare for me.

01:59:33 Speaker_10
But then every three days you get to waddle your fat ass off the boat and see Puerto Rico for three hours and then you get back on the boat. Some people, that's a pretty cool deal. Some people.

01:59:46 Speaker_06
I don't want to perform on those things. How many times have you done it?

01:59:49 Speaker_10
Oh, I've only been on a cruise ship like probably three times and I got like some special deal.

01:59:54 Speaker_06
Were you doing stand-up or were you... I got to do stand-up.

01:59:57 Speaker_10
Oh, Joe. What a thing. One of the other comics Tom Cotter goes you don't be here. I know Tom Tom's awesome He was the other comic on the boat. He saw that I was doing it. He goes dude.

02:00:07 Speaker_10
You don't want to be on here He's like go You got the rest of your life to be on a cruise ship like if this is where you want to end up and and he was speaking to the comedy aspect of it like it was just pretty Depressing yeah, cuz Tom's my age Tom's awesome.

02:00:23 Speaker_06
I've known Tom since we were open micers really yeah the first time I ever went to an open mic night I saw Tom on stage Really? Yeah.

02:00:31 Speaker_10
I just found out that Greg Fitzsimmons was a Boston guy.

02:00:33 Speaker_06
He started a week after me. Really? Yeah, we both started together.

02:00:36 Speaker_10
Do you consider yourself a Boston guy?

02:00:38 Speaker_06
Yeah. Okay. That's where I started. Nice. Yeah. I think you develop a kind of sense of comedy and of urgency and like the audience's attention span and like the comics from Boston have, you know, at least back in that day, they had sharp material. Oh yeah.

02:00:55 Speaker_06
There were too many good comics. It was also like a real It was a real pressure cooker because you had these guys that were these national level Comics that could have been some of the best comics in the country, but they never left Boston, right?

02:01:08 Speaker_06
And so you're always working with these guys these Steve Sweeney Don Gavin Kevin Knox Lenny Clark.

02:01:13 Speaker_10
There were monsters Yeah, Lenny would have been pissed if he didn't say him right there

02:01:16 Speaker_06
He's a monster.

02:01:18 Speaker_06
He was the first guy with a second guy actually I ever get paid to open for really yeah Yeah, those guys are rock stars, and then they stayed put and so you guys have to compete with the rock stars exactly So Lenny got out, and he did a lot of TV shows too much stuff But a lot of those guys they stayed put and they they were still fuck like Steve Sweeney He's um to this day one of the the greatest killers on stage.

02:01:38 Speaker_06
I've ever seen in my life. They got destroyed I mean destroyed and Boston did a dirty thing they did a dirty thing

02:01:46 Speaker_06
The dirty thing was like say if you're a famous comedian and you're coming to play Nick's comedy stop for the weekend like Billy Crystal Yeah, they would put on Don Gavin. I would just bury Kevin Knox Steve I mean II Was how Mike Donovan?

02:02:01 Speaker_06
I like that and they would just eat shit gotta earn it and they would love that these guys would eat shit. Oh I like that. They pay him all this money to go perform at this club. This is a club, by the way, that would pay you in coke or cash.

02:02:13 Speaker_10
Oh yeah, that's old days. I've only read about that, which makes me so happy. Like, you want coke, money, or just coke, or just money?

02:02:19 Speaker_06
Back in the day, there was a club that used to do that. I like that. And I think probably more than one.

02:02:24 Speaker_10
Oh, for sure.

02:02:24 Speaker_06
I mean, these were partying people.

02:02:26 Speaker_10
I would hear about that all the time.

02:02:28 Speaker_06
You know how they all got hit up, though?

02:02:30 Speaker_10
What he mixes?

02:02:30 Speaker_06
Oh, yeah. Yeah getting paid cash.

02:02:32 Speaker_10
Well, um I remember opening for Greg Giraldo as like the club that I started at like we were He just used the open micers as free openers and like and also like pick up the comedian at the airport and we wanted to pick up Greg Giraldo and Chris Porter all these guys we were excited to pick up the comics from the airport and

02:02:50 Speaker_10
But that was his way of not having to pay a car service to pick up the comics from the airport And then but then he'd also be like you guys are all gonna do short sets in front of the headliner Which we're excited to do but that also means he doesn't have to pay us to open so he doesn't have to pay for a minute So as a trick, but we were happy to be part of the trick because we just wanted stage time You get to hang out with Greg Giraldo.

02:03:10 Speaker_10
How cool is that?

02:03:12 Speaker_08
Yeah, it felt like that.

02:03:13 Speaker_10
Yeah, and I was happy with the trade, you know, that stage time was valuable But in it got to meet all like my heroes, you know that came through and I remember Greg Geraldo, you know He's clean now.

02:03:23 Speaker_10
He's trying to be an honorable Husband and he's you know, he's got the fix and he would just be like, you know Jeff if this was back in the day we would been Knee-deep in coke and I'm like, let's do that now Why do I How did I miss it?

02:03:37 Speaker_06
You know, like I'm reading about all these tales. It's unsustainable.

02:03:40 Speaker_00
Yeah.

02:03:41 Speaker_06
The only guy who's been able to sustain partying for an entire career is Stan Hope.

02:03:46 Speaker_10
Yeah, or they die. Dangerfield was doing it till the end. He did it to the end.

02:03:50 Speaker_06
He was smoking pot and doing lines to the very end.

02:03:52 Speaker_10
Yeah, but he was committed.

02:03:53 Speaker_06
Oh, come on. How great is the notes in the green room?

02:03:57 Speaker_10
You saw me browsing those last night. I was pretty into that.

02:04:00 Speaker_06
How'd you get them? His wife. His wife gave them to us. Really? Yeah. Whitney knows his wife, and when she found out we were opening up the club,

02:04:08 Speaker_10
I love that.

02:04:09 Speaker_06
I love stuff like that. I want to do something like what he did, where he had Rodney Dangerfield and Friends, where he did those HBO shows. Oh yeah. Where he introduced the world to some of the best comics. I want to do something like that.

02:04:21 Speaker_10
You'd help a lot of guys, let me tell you.

02:04:24 Speaker_06
Doing that from the mothership would be fucking amazing.

02:04:27 Speaker_10
That would help a lot of guys.

02:04:29 Speaker_06
I think there's guys out there that could use it too. There's guys out there that have like 10 minutes of murder. And just put those 10 minutes of murder together and have four or five guys on a show and have some fun.

02:04:40 Speaker_10
Would you be able to commit to picking the guys you like as opposed to the guys that Netflix wants you to plug?

02:04:45 Speaker_06
No, if I was going to do Joe Rogan and Friends, it would have to be people that I really think are funny. I love that. Whether I know them or not. I love that. People that I really admire.

02:04:55 Speaker_06
What he did what Rodney did was different than anybody else other than Carson who wasn't really a comedian, right?

02:05:01 Speaker_06
So Johnny Carson was the way that everybody got famous you got on the Tonight Show Carson you get to sit next to Carson like holy shit I'm sitting next to Carson and like he likes you so much you made it you were headlining comedy clubs after that and Traveling around the country and you know, this guy's like Rich Jenny did like dozens of yeah

02:05:19 Speaker_06
Rich Jenner's great amazing a very unhappy man, but like a talented man super depressed Yeah, but then you had Rodney and what Rodney did is he introduced people to the HBO?

02:05:30 Speaker_06
Special comedians, so these weren't comedians like tonight show clean comedians These were guys like Robert Schimmel Dice Clay Bill Hicks Sam Kenison Dom Irera killers Lenny Clark killers killers Yeah

02:05:44 Speaker_06
And headliners already, and then they all got HBO specials. And then they all became national talent and people that would see them everywhere.

02:05:54 Speaker_06
But it all came out of Rodney, because Rodney had this desire to introduce these comics to the rest of the world. Whereas nobody else was doing that.

02:06:01 Speaker_10
And I love that. That's how you help people, is by going, hey, I know this guy isn't famous. He doesn't have a sitcom. But I, I'm funny. Here's the guy that I think is funny. I think our Rodney Dangerfield is Dave Attell.

02:06:14 Speaker_10
Joke, joke, joke, joke, just crushing killer. I think our Larry the Cable guys, Theo Vaughn, like, you know, like it's got the voice and the things and the you don't know what is a story and what is a joke.

02:06:24 Speaker_10
But you know, our Eddie Murphy's Kevin Hart, you can cut, you know, our Normie is our Norm Macdonald is kind of a Mark Normand. Like we have these kind of next guys.

02:06:35 Speaker_06
Sort of I think they're all their own thing.

02:06:37 Speaker_10
They are their own thing.

02:06:38 Speaker_06
Yeah, I mean, I don't really think it's our this or other I don't think about it that way.

02:06:41 Speaker_07
Well, you don't think styles influence people? Yeah, they definitely do for sure.

02:06:45 Speaker_06
Sure. I think you know, like if you listen to Steven Wright, then you list a Mitch Hedberg. Yeah, that and that's great. Yeah, that's that's that beautiful absurdist non sectors.

02:06:54 Speaker_10
Yeah, I'm very inspired by Norman Patrice and Simpson's like if you watch my act you can go I can I know all the things this guy Watched for I think it tells his own thing like it tells I think he's one of the greatest of all time I really do I think so too.

02:07:08 Speaker_06
I saw him at the mothership one night. I came in just to watch a set it was Amazing machine gun Joe and he's so In the groove. He's just this Zen master. Yeah stage for every Every beat is perfect. He's a master.

02:07:23 Speaker_05
I love him.

02:07:24 Speaker_06
He's so good He's so good at just talking shit to when he has everybody come on stage with him He gives everybody a microphone that just starts shit.

02:07:30 Speaker_10
Yeah, he's the best yeah, he also like has still like

02:07:35 Speaker_10
He's still maintained people like when you don't change, you know, like if you're a fat celebrity, you better stay fat We don't want to see you skinny, you know, and if and if you're a skinny person you get fat they go What happened, you know, like we don't like any that's why kid child stars are doomed because they're gonna have to change and you know I liked him when he was a cute kid, you know, but I think the same thing is true with like a tell he still looks like he's broke and

02:08:01 Speaker_06
Yeah.

02:08:01 Speaker_10
You look at a tell, you're like, that guy, is he alright?

02:08:03 Speaker_06
Same clothes. Dresses the same way. He's alright. Every time you see him, even on his specials, wearing a, it could be 80 degrees outside, he's got a jacket on. Like a do-rag and a hat. Baseball hat. He's just bizarre.

02:08:14 Speaker_10
I love that. And I love that you're like, is he okay? That's one of the best comedians in the world. He's crushing it, yeah.

02:08:20 Speaker_06
But he's really in his own little world. He really does still read newspapers and he writes jokes in a coffee shop. Love that. And his flip phone, he texts you. No, from a flip phone?

02:08:31 Speaker_06
I didn't know that Every time I get a text from him I appreciate it because I know how long it took to make These fucking things take forever, and he was in here in the studio, and he was sitting there.

02:08:40 Speaker_06
He had a text somebody's going Like my dad that's why but he's right right if you don't want to be connected to that world You don't want to be influenced in just stay in the zone and who's better at staying in the zone than him nobody Yeah, who's better at coming up a new material nobody

02:08:55 Speaker_06
Yeah, he's awesome. So he's just like found this area to exist in. Yeah, he's the best. I'm good. Yeah, I'm good.

02:09:02 Speaker_10
I love it. I think he's one of the greats. So I we agree that he's one of the greats. I had a couple of friends. This is a long time ago. We just went to a theater show. We saw this comic. It wasn't very funny. They love to do that. Oh, I saw the special.

02:09:14 Speaker_10
It sucked. You know, like they love to shit on it better than just going enjoyed it. And so I go, who'd you see? And they go, I can't remember his name, but we'll text you if we can remember or whatever.

02:09:24 Speaker_10
And I was like, okay, these are good friends of mine. And so then like later on, they're like, oh, it was Dave Attell. And I go, oh, you were wrong. You are just wrong. They're like, no, it was really bad. I go wrong.

02:09:34 Speaker_10
You're wrong There's just no way that that is and I think that that's like the disconnect of like maybe a theater show Also, or like a Netflix special, you know talking to your friends. We're looking at your phone.

02:09:46 Speaker_10
They wanted some crowd work or something I don't know what they expected but I was like you're wrong.

02:09:50 Speaker_10
Like that's one of the greatest Yeah, I think sometimes if a venue is too big, you know, and the person's all smiley like maybe that's there's a disconnect there Maybe but I don't know but it's usually screens

02:09:59 Speaker_06
Yeah. People have shitty tastes. Yeah, I couldn't believe it. I've heard things like that before about other comedians that I think are awesome. I'm like, shut up.

02:10:08 Speaker_10
When also the stadium's laughing and going, this guy's the best and then my dumb friends are gone.

02:10:12 Speaker_06
I thought they were all cheap jokes. Are you being my favorite kind? Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I like a good cheap joke.

02:10:19 Speaker_05
Yeah, exactly.

02:10:20 Speaker_06
A cheap joke that makes me laugh is fun.

02:10:21 Speaker_05
Did it work?

02:10:22 Speaker_06
Yeah, it should laugh. I'm not necessarily a connoisseur. I'm just here to have a good time.

02:10:28 Speaker_10
Well, that's I do think that's a good thing too about taste like I think it was in Dave Grohl's book He was like I'll eat like I'll drink shitty coffee from like a gas station, but also appreciate like a nice espresso I think that's a good way to like think about even like jokes.

02:10:42 Speaker_10
Yeah, I'll take a one-liner a cheap joke I'll take a story a misdirection. I'll take anything.

02:10:46 Speaker_06
Just let me make me laugh.

02:10:48 Speaker_10
Yeah I like the good stuff and the bad stuff.

02:10:50 Speaker_06
But the thing that's hard for comics is to maintain an audience enthusiasm, right? Like to watch comedy and appreciate it like you used to before you were a comic. Because you know the tricks.

02:11:03 Speaker_06
It's one way to, like when you see someone doing hacky stuff, you're like, yuck. But just fun. Just have a good time. Don't start breaking down someone's bids or critics. You see comics, they can't laugh.

02:11:16 Speaker_06
They're watching things and everything is like, hmm, I don't know. I don't think it's gonna get a little extra time to get to this joke. Could have edited that out a little bit better. You start like... You know, too much. I did that early.

02:11:28 Speaker_10
I'd police guys. Like when I was like a passionate, obsessed with comedy open mic-er, I would be like, you know, so-and-so has a bit about that subject. And it's like, yeah, we're all talking about the same subjects, you know.

02:11:39 Speaker_10
But I would be the guy that would be like well, you shouldn't do that cuz Daniel Tosh has a thing, you know like But it was all bullshit.

02:11:46 Speaker_10
It was just me being so passionate about it that I was over doing probably applying those standards to yourself, too Yeah, well for sure.

02:11:52 Speaker_06
Yeah, so that's part of it. You see someone who's like, come on, man You know that fucking Gilbert Gottfried had a bit about that. Yeah, I

02:11:58 Speaker_10
But also, you don't want to overthink it. I think you're 100% right. Have fun with the crowd, be out there.

02:12:03 Speaker_06
Yeah, and just be able to enjoy different kinds of comedy, too. Some people just can't. There's so many people, particularly left-wing comics. Comedy has to line up with their ideology or they just won't get into it. They can't. I hate it.

02:12:18 Speaker_06
I used to see that with Dice Clay.

02:12:20 Speaker_06
That was the big one and we were talking about this last night because like I came in as like a Dice Clay fan when I was a kid and by the time Dice had gotten kicked off of MTV and it was like in fashion for comedians to call him a sexist and a pig and like this guy is it's a character.

02:12:38 Speaker_06
Yeah, what are you talking about? Also, it's like shut the fuck up right and then

02:12:43 Speaker_06
They were there was like so much jealousy There's a little jealousy about him too because he was the first comic that ever sold out arenas So he was selling out arenas when everybody else was like struggling to like fill a weekend at a little comedy club like what?

02:12:54 Speaker_06
Yeah, these guys all started with him and he was one of those guys that got on running danger real special and just took off and They did his own special.

02:13:03 Speaker_06
I think it was just I think it was called dice rules and that special took off and then dude He was everywhere and it wasn't it was different than any other kind of comedy because everybody knew the nursery rhymes And they wanted to say it with them.

02:13:16 Speaker_06
So it was like going to a concert. Yeah, you know what's in the bowl? Oh

02:13:23 Speaker_10
Yeah, we're different if anyone was to criticize You know like I know a lot of the old dogs in Boston won't be like these guys aren't doing anything different, but right that's different Yeah, so you get something that's different.

02:13:33 Speaker_06
That's working, and then people will kind of get mad They were like you claimed you wanted something different, and it's working It's working and it's different just because you do a different thing like if you're an observational comic Yeah, cuz you do a different thing doesn't mean that that thing that all the percent is

02:13:48 Speaker_06
tens of thousands of people are screaming and cheering for is wrong. Right, 100%. That's a crazy way of looking at it.

02:13:53 Speaker_10
I'll give you a great example. I was at Skankfest, right, this year in Vegas, which, what a treat, and so grateful to them for having me, so I don't ever want to make it sound like I'm not grateful.

02:14:04 Speaker_10
But I went and watched Carrot Top, Scott Thompson, right? I went over to the Luxor, I watched the show, and then I come back to Skankfest and I was like, oh, we were at Carrot Top, you know, and people were like, Carrot Top?

02:14:17 Speaker_10
And I was like, he's better than all of us, just so you know. He's funny.

02:14:22 Speaker_10
It's great Joe 90 minutes of not missing it was Relevant as far as like he was doing topical things He had a P Diddy joke that happened like the night before I saw him like he had all the you know It wasn't all props.

02:14:36 Speaker_10
There was a lot of topical tons of Trump stuff political stuff there was like three like a baby a one-minute segment where I was like

02:14:45 Speaker_10
Because I was going in with an open mind, like if it's going to be shit, I'll say it's shit, and if it's great, I'll say it's great.

02:14:50 Speaker_10
And there was one little chunk that I was like, that's a little hacky, and it's like a Vegas Luxor joke about how they made it a pyramid because if you try to jump out the window, you'll just end back up at the casino. I've heard that kind of thing.

02:15:04 Speaker_10
But then I started thinking about it. I was like, no. He probably wrote that. He's been doing this for 29 years. Sometimes you'll watch Pryor, and he'll be like, black women like this, white, and you go, that's hacky. No, he did it first.

02:15:14 Speaker_10
And so in my mind I was like, 90 minutes of not missing, and he's the nicest guy in the world, and he's crushing it. It's a great, great, great show.

02:15:23 Speaker_06
Well, he was a guy that in the early days when he was taking off, everyone shit on. Everyone shit on. Including Hicks. Hicks had a whole bit about Caratop. Which sucks, because he's so good. It was just a jealousy thing.

02:15:37 Speaker_06
It was just shitting on the guy who was doing this thing that you think is somehow another coloring outside the lines. Which is crazy to me. Didn't make any sense.

02:15:45 Speaker_06
And then he also kind of was alienated from everybody because then he did a residency in Vegas. He was like one of the first big guys to just do it. He's been in Vegas forever. 29 years. That's so crazy. That's a long time.

02:15:56 Speaker_10
And that means it must be pretty good. It does well. He's a funny guy.

02:16:01 Speaker_06
He's a really nice guy. Yeah, I saw his show.

02:16:04 Speaker_10
It's so good. He couldn't have been more humble. It was just such a nice guy. I said this to him. I wanted him to hear it. You know all the hate that my comedy friends do is just because it's become a thing.

02:16:18 Speaker_05
Yeah.

02:16:18 Speaker_10
It's not because it's real. So like I think this happens in life. Like people go, Henry Winkler, Jeff, you worked with Henry Winkler. Isn't he the nicest guy in the world? Yes, Henry Winkler is the nicest guy in the world. But so are a lot of people.

02:16:29 Speaker_10
Right. But we've learned Henry Winkler is the nicest. So we just repeat it. You know, oh, Taylor Swift only sings about her ex-boyfriends. Every musician sings about their exes. Why is that Taylor Swift's thing? Well, she's got a lot of them.

02:16:42 Speaker_10
But it's just something we've heard and we repeat as like a hacky thing. And I think that's the same with Keratop. It became hack. It became like a trend to make fun of him, but he didn't deserve it.

02:16:52 Speaker_06
That act is killer. Yeah, there's a lot of that. That's Trump as a Nazi. Right. Yeah. It's not fair. Yeah. There's a lot of that. There's narratives. There's headlines, clickbait narratives that just get spread. I don't know. I hate it.

02:17:04 Speaker_06
It's easy to define people in a certain way.

02:17:06 Speaker_10
They'll say, oh, I see it in like small things. Oh, you know, you swallow 10 spiders a year. And they don't. What are you sleeping outside with your mouth open? What are you talking about?

02:17:16 Speaker_10
Why are people repeating these things that aren't, oh, you know, you lose a million hairs a month. You're like, no, you don't. Like, where are these things being repeated or perpetuated?

02:17:24 Speaker_06
The internet, just like we were talking about how much Lizzo made.

02:17:27 Speaker_10
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Which I'm probably gonna wear that a little bit, but I think we got to the bottom of it.

02:17:33 Speaker_06
Well, we probably are at least semi-accurate. I just wonder who came up with that list in the first place.

02:17:39 Speaker_10
Well, but there's a difference between me saying something wrong on your podcast and millions of people repeating a thing that they heard about Carrot Top. You know what I'm saying?

02:17:49 Speaker_10
I don't understand how that becomes a reputation and now this guy lives in some world where he goes, everyone hates me and even family guys are shitting on me. I don't deserve this.

02:17:58 Speaker_06
Well one of the things he said after he came on my show, he started getting a lot of love. Oh good. He said it was way different. A lot of people were coming to the shows that were fans of my show and then wanted to come see him.

02:18:09 Speaker_06
Yeah, it's like he turned a corner and he should have never had to do that. I never met the guy, right? I didn't meet him until I did a podcast with him. Yeah, so for me it was like it was cool to just like just yeah, just chill. Have fun with him.

02:18:22 Speaker_06
Let him get out of that. Right, you know. He's a comedian. Yeah, he's a nice guy. Yeah, he's not hurting anybody. He's the sweetheart of a guy. Right.

02:18:31 Speaker_10
I feel like what happened to more prop comics

02:18:33 Speaker_06
They all went away because he's so successful, he defined prop comedy.

02:18:38 Speaker_10
He's like Weird Al.

02:18:38 Speaker_06
Yeah.

02:18:39 Speaker_10
You don't see parody music anymore. Weird Al goes, I got 50 albums, who's next? You don't see anybody smashing watermelons.

02:18:46 Speaker_06
Gallagher did it, and that's the only one.

02:18:48 Speaker_10
Well, I guess Bo Burnham does musical parody, but it's not the same.

02:18:51 Speaker_06
Sure, he does it, but he started on YouTube, right? Yeah.

02:18:55 Speaker_10
But it isn't like he doesn't take a song. You know how like Weird Al would take Michael Jackson's song, so you knew the song and then you'd repeat.

02:19:02 Speaker_06
Yeah, which is great.

02:19:04 Speaker_10
I loved Weird Al.

02:19:05 Speaker_06
I haven't thought about him in a long time. But like, but prop comics. It's over. It's it, like puppet comics, they went away. You have Jeff Dunham and that's it.

02:19:16 Speaker_10
What was the guy? I know you'll know this. Otto and George? Otto. I didn't have to say it.

02:19:20 Speaker_06
He was the best.

02:19:20 Speaker_10
So funny.

02:19:21 Speaker_06
A dirty ventriloquist.

02:19:22 Speaker_10
I used to work with Otto.

02:19:23 Speaker_06
We used to do these prom shows at Dangerfields. So when I first moved to New York City, Dangerfields was one of the clubs that I worked at the most. Because it was like, first of all, I couldn't believe it was Rodney Dangerfield's club.

02:19:35 Speaker_06
And they actually filmed one of Dangerfield's specials there. So you were like a fan of Dangerfields. Oh, a huge fan. And we do these prom shows. The prom shows would start at like 7 p.m.

02:19:46 Speaker_06
or whatever it was, and they would go on until 4 o'clock in the fucking morning. And it was kids, like from the Bronx and Staten Island.

02:19:53 Speaker_06
They'd come in on buses and limos, and they'd all be drunk, and they would fill up these fucking little clubs with these kids, and then just... want you to do the same material the next show so the kids leave. So they never had the kids leave.

02:20:07 Speaker_06
So they would tell you, hey, you gotta stop doing new material. Do the same material every time. I'm like, I'm not doing the same material. Why? I'm not gonna bomb. I'm here to do my set. You can't tell me what to do. You've got me here for five sets.

02:20:20 Speaker_06
If I look and that same drunk kid is in the front row, I'm gonna do a new set. Yeah, that's great. You know, I have another 10 minutes grow. Yeah.

02:20:27 Speaker_06
Yeah, I mean it was fucking ridiculous But the shows would go on forever and ever and I did a bunch of them with Otto.

02:20:33 Speaker_10
Oh, wow I'm so jealous to hear that guy Do you think that the internet has a lot of Otto and George isn't like you can find stuff cuz that you had to see him live Cuz you couldn't believe what the fuck he was saying.

02:20:44 Speaker_06
He was so wild Yeah, he would say the fucking craziest shit and then he would say to the the puppet dude

02:20:51 Speaker_09
George, what the fuck are you saying? I can't believe you talk like that. Yeah, which is great.

02:20:54 Speaker_10
You got it out, but it's your hand. Oh, here we go. It's so funny.

02:21:00 Speaker_06
Dirtiest Dozen 1988. I love it. I love that this is on the internet.

02:21:04 Speaker_03
I'm fucking uncomfortable here. You gotta take a shit in everything. Sorry. I had a ride here in a chunk of the car. It sucked. It was boring. I turtle waxed my dick. I was so fucking bored in there. Johnson's Turtle Wax. Three coats.

02:21:20 Speaker_03
I want to see the water jumping off of it. That's right. I got a wooden cock. I was circumcised with a pencil sharpener. At least I stay hard when I'm drunk. Ha ha. Clap it up, you fucking hard-ons. George, please watch it. There are ladies here.

02:21:38 Speaker_03
There's ladies here? Blowjobs! Protein slurpees!

02:21:42 Speaker_10
Check it out!

02:21:45 Speaker_03
Who saw this movie? Blowjobs! My girlfriend gave me skull last night. She did a good job. When she was done, my cock looked like a totem pole and her face looked like a glazed donut.

02:22:02 Speaker_10
I just love the idea.

02:22:04 Speaker_06
The premise is preposterous. You had to see him live. If you saw him live and you were in the room with him, it was so fun.

02:22:10 Speaker_10
I know everyone talks about blowjobs now, but back at the time, that was pretty edgy stuff.

02:22:15 Speaker_06
It was very edgy. This is 88, right? So he was kind of a wild dude, and unfortunately that kind of cost him a lot of substances. Oh, I see. Wild that way. A little off the rails. Little crazy.

02:22:28 Speaker_10
We had a couple of guys, these knuckleheads who lived in Seattle, but we looked up to them because anyone that was like an older brother or somebody in comedy was a big deal to us. And they did a thing called Robo.

02:22:39 Speaker_10
And he had his own MySpace page and everything. And it was just this terrible robot. It was a trash can that they just put a box head on. And it was on a race car kind of thing. So it could only spin, and the eyes would light up.

02:22:52 Speaker_10
And then when you hit a thing, it would make his mouth make a little line of lights. And the guy would just be in the back, a comedian would be in the back reading his jokes off the notepad. Well, Robo, here it is, Robo.

02:23:03 Speaker_10
And the jokes were just so funny. His head would fall off sometimes, but he'd be like, why do women wear makeup and perfume? Because they're ugly and they stink. And then he would like spin around. Let me hear some of it. The bathroom to take a leak.

02:23:22 Speaker_10
I may need to get that fixed. I can't understand it. Terrible shit, but like yeah, you would just be like why do women get their periods? Cuz they deserve it and then all you like spin around and people would leave.

02:23:43 Speaker_10
I mean, it's an open mic It was not like at least autumn George had like a sold-out This would be two guys just drunkenly having a good time with terrible jokes and putting it on the robot, which is a really good So funny, what's cool because you can get that row out to say things just so I can get South Park to say things They're not real people.

02:24:00 Speaker_10
It's not me in the back of the microphone.

02:24:01 Speaker_06
It's the robot. Yeah, it's carpet Right. Oh, it's so funny human.

02:24:06 Speaker_10
There's a big round thing He said one time they got booked to like our actual like the first time someone tried to book them like hey Rob Oh, we would love to have you at our venue.

02:24:14 Speaker_10
It's like no, it's robo Like it's not like it might have been an automated thing or something But they thought it was so funny that someone tried to book them off of a video like that I love that kind of stuff though.

02:24:23 Speaker_06
Well, somebody probably thought that was a real act. Yeah, you could take it somewhere I love it. You probably could have I mean someone could easily do that. I I mean, how hard is it to do? It's so funny. Have you seen that comedian on Kill Tony?

02:24:35 Speaker_06
What is the gentleman's name that has, um, he has some sort of a neurological condition where he can't talk, so he has a Bluetooth speaker. Oh, yeah. He does his jokes. I haven't seen him on Kill Tony.

02:24:46 Speaker_10
He's at the QS Comedy Club in like two weeks.

02:24:48 Speaker_06
Oh, that's hilarious. There's Aaron Belisle. Aaron Belisle. Yeah. Very nice guy. Funny, too.

02:24:53 Speaker_10
Yeah, I know. I've seen this guy on AGT or something.

02:24:55 Speaker_06
Right. That's what it was. It was on America's Got Talent.

02:24:57 Speaker_10
Yeah, I've seen him. I almost did a thing after him. I had to follow him somewhere. I can't remember what it was. But it was for, like, Louis J. Gunn. It was one of these shows where being mean is, like, okay, you know?

02:25:11 Speaker_10
Yeah, they were like, yeah, it would encourage it was like Lewis Jay's like you got to tell your most fucked-up joke first and then try to get out of the hole and in my mind I'm like this sounds like a nightmare.

02:25:21 Speaker_10
Yeah, but they tell us to do that Yeah, and every comic made the same mistake where we where we came out and went we try to get it You know, we you know comics we try to play we try to get around the rules a little bit I was gone He told us we had to say the most fucked-up joke first So we all did that kind of buffer so it just didn't work for any of us but that guy was before me and

02:25:39 Speaker_10
And so I thought about just recording into my phone like a thing and acting like I'm him as like my first thing and I was like, this isn't gonna go over well, I'm just gonna... Yeah, no one's gonna be on your side.

02:25:51 Speaker_06
Right.

02:25:52 Speaker_10
But I was like, you get a little more brave.

02:25:54 Speaker_06
That guy has incredible balls to do that. He can barely walk, you know, can't move his arms well. Play in your hand. Yeah. He's playing his hand. He's playing his hand.

02:26:03 Speaker_10
He's been dealt that. Yeah. And he's making the fucking best of it.

02:26:06 Speaker_06
He's headlining in Key West.

02:26:07 Speaker_10
Yeah. I love it.

02:26:08 Speaker_06
That's it. That's a great example. Yeah. Playing your hand.

02:26:10 Speaker_10
Yeah. He didn't go, oh, this is bullshit. Send me money.

02:26:13 Speaker_06
Dude, I have to piss so bad.

02:26:14 Speaker_10
What's up?

02:26:15 Speaker_06
I have to piss so bad.

02:26:15 Speaker_10
All right. Should we wrap this up?

02:26:17 Speaker_06
Yeah, let's do it, dude. Last cowboy.

02:26:19 Speaker_10
Yes, Last Cowboy in L.A. comes out today. It's out today, right? This comes out tomorrow? Where can people see it? Yeah. Yeah, so it comes out today, if you're hearing this.

02:26:29 Speaker_10
It's on 800lb Gorilla is the name of the production company, so just go to YouTube, search Jeff Dye, Last Cowboy in L.A., you can find it. Hopefully you can search it. Hopefully YouTube doesn't fuck your algorithm like they did with my Trump interview.

02:26:42 Speaker_10
Oh yeah, can we watch this? Would that be alright?

02:26:45 Speaker_04
I mean technically hasn't premiered yet.

02:26:46 Speaker_10
I know but this is a little trailer.

02:26:48 Speaker_04
Can we watch the trailer? Is that alright?

02:26:50 Speaker_06
Yeah, let's watch the trailer and we'll wrap this up. Everybody go see it.

02:27:00 Speaker_10
My entire career, everybody in Hollywood's been like, you're not even famous. I've never heard of you. You're not famous. You're not even famous. You're not famous. I've never heard of you. You're not famous. You're not even famous. Right?

02:27:10 Speaker_10
And then I have one bad day, and it's like, famous comedian crashes car, fights cop. I'm like, goddammit. Where'd you film this?

02:27:19 Speaker_05
Nashville.

02:27:21 Speaker_10
Was this at Zany's? No. Music venue. I like her. She likes naughty words, you know what I mean? Probably not a smart subject to do on my first special, but, you know, I'd like to start a cancer clinic.

02:27:57 Speaker_06
All right. Last cowboy. Last cowboy. Check it out. Thanks, brother. That was fun. Thanks for having me on, man. Appreciate you. My pleasure. Bye, everybody.