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Episode: #2216 - Luke Bryan

Author: Joe Rogan
Duration: 03:09:29

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Luke Bryan is a country singer/songwriter, philanthropist, and broadcast personality. His latest album, "Mind of a Country Boy," is available now.

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The Joe Rogan Experience.

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Hey, what's up Luke? This has been a long time in the making.

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I need to thank you for taking care of my family when they came to see your show.

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I hope they had a great time.

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They had a fucking fantastic time. But it was also my daughter was like freaked out because she was going to the show. She didn't know she was going to get to meet you. And her friend didn't know they were going to get to meet you either.

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So we were able to keep that a secret. Keep that a good little good little good little secret to yeah, it was cool.

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They had the best time They came back beaming.

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So thank you. Well Vegas, you know that was wrapping up Vegas So yeah, we that was a that was a fun two years of residency there.

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Did you two years there? Oh

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I did two years, 26 shows per year. Dude, man. Things will take a little piece of your soul.

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Just a little tiny piece every day.

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Well, the thing about it is, all of that Get to Vegas and like you know you run to the craps table or blackjack table your whole life Getting to Vegas dude. I got all that I could I'm like I get to Vegas.

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I'm like Man, let's just sit in the room watch a little sports, and I got got the gambling out of the system Well, that's good. Did you just gamble a lot? You know I've always been, I've never been a sports gambler. My dad, my...

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But my dad raised me to kind of be a poker player kind of kid. I used to joke, if my dad didn't play poker, we'd have never had Santa Claus. He was just a crazy little poker player and a little pool hustler. So he was all in.

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One of my dad's famous quotes is,

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So we we we he flies me out to Vegas when I'm 21 or whatever and man I had like we were in college and I had took like 300 300 400 bucks with me, you know just broke his shit and Two hours in the trip lose my money and you know, this was like well where we were still had truck phones, you know I'm not even sure we were like totin.

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No, we certainly didn't have like the Motorola razor where he could just call me so I He just goes looking for him and he calls my hotel room and he's like, boy, what you doing? He's real southern Georgia.

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I said, I lost all my damn money and hell with this place. He goes, well, you ain't going to win it back in the goddamn room.

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And so, I mean, once you have that mindset in gambling, certainly, I mean, when that's your dad going, and so that's been a famous saying when my buddies, you know, when they're down and out, down two or three grand and they're pouting over the bar, you know, you're not going to win it back at the goddamn bar.

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But I did, I went through phases where, you know, I never really got financially behind when I didn't have money. I would just, I controlled it pretty well, and I did my two years out there.

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I never really had any big beats or anything like that, but I do love to just, man, I love to just sit there, have a drink, have a cigar, and watch Dice and Cards, because you're just not, you're just sitting there and your mind's checked out. Right.

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no different than going to the driving range and hitting golf balls or sitting on the bank fishing or sitting in a deer stand. But I got out of there. I got all my gambling, at least for now, out of my system. But it was great to meet your kids there.

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I really appreciate it. They really enjoyed it. And like I said, they were just blown away meeting you.

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Well, it was a fun show because we got to really do a lot of bells and whistles out there that aren't available on normal shows when you're out touring and stuff because you're having to take down stuff and be real mobile out there.

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We put a lot of stuff in the room.

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Well that's nice that that's one good thing about the residency you know you're going back to the same spot over and over again.

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And we had our routine I mean I have my my room and you know about 630 I'd hop in the shower run down there and get on stage about 830 and knock it out and 1030 Somewhere at a craps table.

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I'm lucky. I don't gamble. I don't do it. You never got into sports. Nope.

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Nope I used to bet on fights back in the early days of the UFC is to bet on fights and they One day they made it illegal, but I already stopped doing it because I was like This is probably not a good thing for me to be betting on things I'm commentating on because I can't affect the outcome right, but I quite close I also sometimes know some shit

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You know, this has been a bunch of times, so one of my business partners, I would tell him what to bet on, and we were at like 84% at one time.

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It was crazy.

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For like six or seven fight cards in a row, we were at about 84%. Because every now and then, they would have these guys that were coming in from Japan or from Russia, and the oddsmakers didn't know who these guys were.

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And I was like, oh, Jesus Christ, bet the house.

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And you already were studying them for years.

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So I knew everything about these guys. I'm like, Jesus Christ, bet the fucking house. Lay up. Yeah, there was a few. Like when Anderson Silva came into the UFC, I was like, bet the house, bet the house on the Brazilian, whatever you got.

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I go throw it all at this guy.

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You can't fucking lose because when he came into the UFC He was like in his prime and I got to see him evolve in Japan and then later on in England And so when he came in the UFC, I think he was a favorite over this guy Chris Liebman is a really tough guy But I like whatever the whatever the odds are fucking throw it all at that guy.

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I

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I bet y'all. Were you betting with him, too, at that time?

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No, I wasn't betting. I had already stopped. I was like, I could get in trouble.

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Don't get in any trouble now, either. Don't lose the gig.

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Well, now the UFC made a law, and it was real recent, like two years ago. Up until like two years ago, all staff, anyone could bet. Now no one can bet.

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Really?

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Yeah, because there was a scandal. One of the trainers apparently was involved, allegedly was involved, knew about an injury. And then it turned out there's probably some other bets are a little shady that perhaps allegedly people were involved.

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Because it was fucking, it's nice to know. If I was unscrupulous.

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I had a little, so I went my whole life, no sports betting. Through college, I'd walk in and my buddies back then, they'd spliced eight TVs together and they got all their notes. And I'm like,

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And I'm like, dude, no wonder you got all D's and you're about to get shipped out of college. But I survived all that, and me and a buddy, we started picking two games a week.

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and we would load up, and this was like six years ago, five years ago, so I would load up like 20 grand a game. But I was strict, and I had my deal, and it just, we like bet, I mean, just take Alabama in the points in the first half. You do that.

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most of the year I mean it was 80% so we did well and then my buddy moved away from me and we quit talking about it and I just then I went rogue for like two years I was betting like Utah State at it you know the West Coast game midnight just throwing bets in and I was like man I'm out.

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Did you see Uncut Gems?

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Yes. Dude, that movie tripped me out.

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I think it tripped everybody out though. What a great movie.

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Especially if you've dipped your toe into that world of like... And I've got buddies that do parlays, and I'm not even sure I even understand the inner workings of parlays now. And teasers and all that, and I'm so removed from that level.

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Or like, so-and-so's gonna get four layups at the half. Man, that's opening up Pandora's box there.

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It is, and you gotta think there's people that are involved. Like, there's been scandals where referees were involved, where referees were making calls they shouldn't have made, maybe calling fouls they shouldn't have called, and people getting paid.

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There's so much money being thrown around, and you know, the average referee, what do they make, you know?

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Hey dude, so I saw you at the, I'm a giant Georgia fan. And I saw you, obviously, on the sideline on Saturday and just, man, some of those calls.

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It started getting weird. We actually left after the first quarter and went to see Eminem. So we had an epic day. We saw the first quarter of UT Georgia and then jetted and went to Eminem at the racetrack. Oh, the Formula One? Yeah.

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Eminem played in front of like 150,000 people. It was fucking wild.

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I mean, what a weekend for Austin, too, because I had buddies. I had buddies that were like, why are you not coming? And I'm like, man, I've had to be me all year. And it's like, the weather's chilly in Nashville. My boys want to go deer hunting.

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I'm going to take them deer hunting, sit on my back patio and scream at the TV. But it got a little dicey there on the back. I was like, oh, it was weird.

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Yeah, well, just the energy. There's so much anticipation for a game like that. You can't replicate it in any other... I guess those big...

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global Brazil versus Argentina or whatever.

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We had some friends from England who had never been to an American football game before.

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What was their take on it?

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They were blown away. They're like, oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. This is madness. I'm like, this is Texas football. It's so fun. They get serious here. It's crazy.

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I got to shoot the cannon. Boom. Did you shoot it through the Georgia shirt, that one? Yeah.

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Oh gosh. Maybe I gave you bad luck. You hurt my heart. Maybe it was bad luck because they lost. Maybe what? Maybe it's a fucking rude thing to do.

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Yeah, man, it was a good win for Georgia and like I said both those programs are just so incredible.

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It's when you're watching it behind the scenes, you know, watching how much organization there is and it's incredibly complex.

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Through the years Kirby and I have gotten to be pretty good buddies. Kirby can't be buddies with anybody because that job requires, I've never seen a requirement of a job more than being a college. It's probably like being a president. It is.

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And so I don't text Kirby during the season, really. I know he, man, just watching what those guys go through trying to manage these big programs like that. I mean, and when they're not coaching, I mean, dude, they are politicking.

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I mean, they gotta go to the steak supper for this touchdown club here. You know, so, man, it's a wild ride what those dudes go through.

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And when you think about gambling with calls, like bad calls, that has got to be... Imagine all your money's on the line and you see some horrendous call and you fucking... See, I'm out of that.

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And I didn't really get into that heavily, even when I was betting regular games.

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but man it's it's it's freedom man i just watch the games with freedom and i don't i don't get in you know i'm good friends with dana white and uh dan is a he's a real degenerate like i love how big that's the best way to describe

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Oh, he'll describe it that way.

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I get it from him. Most, like your big horse racing guys, they all, their adjective of themselves is, I'm a degenerate. That's the first thing they say.

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Jamie and I went to visit, we went with Shane Gillis and a bunch of other guys, we went to visit Dana while he was gambling. When we got there, he was down $600,000. And I was like, what is happening here?

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I heard him say he learned how to play background because you can bet more. You can bet like 500k again or something.

00:17:32 Speaker_07
That's so crazy. I could, I was getting anxiety just sitting there watching. And so then Taylor Luan came over and Dana and Taylor have this deal where Dana teaches Taylor what to gamble and how to do it. They're down $120,000 in what, five minutes?

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Five minutes. Five minutes are down 120 grand. And I'm just sitting there going, what the fuck, man? Look, Dana's rich as shit. Obviously. I know Taylor is wealthy, but there's like a level where you could lose $125,000 is $125,000. Well, yeah.

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I mean, I've learned kind of like if you're betting a thousand a hand, you can get down 50. Yeah. Like in quick. But when you transition to that, 30, 40, 50,000 a hand, you'll be down a million or two.

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And I say, because I've watched some other buddies that bet on that level, I'm talking about like 15 hand swing is an $800,000 swing. And I'm like...

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But that's the scary part about gambling when you start when you don't have much money and you grow into some money but your level of what you want to press your anxiety level and your endorphins and all that it grows with your wealth and man next thing you know you're

00:18:51 Speaker_07
Well, that's the only way they get their fix, too. They can't play $20 a hand.

00:18:54 Speaker_10
Yeah, right. That goes away. Well, it's like there's a lot in society that you know, I think we're preyed upon with that thought process, gambling and a lot of... Dopamine hits.

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Right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then once one level of the dopamine levels out, then you go to the next one.

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It's hard to watch. Forget about doing it. It's hard to watch. I don't get it. I'm glad I don't do it.

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Well, I can say that I've always had fun with it. I mean, I've always had fun gambling, and a lot of times I'd take my band after we'd get off stage, and we'd have one band night, and I'd set them all up with some chips.

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And I've gotten at a crap table where I can kind of manage everybody's bets, and I'm like, don't do that now, wait, wait. It's kind of like steering the mothership, and we had some great nights. just laughing and cutting up and cheering.

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Like I said, one guy walks up and everybody rubs his head for good. It's just camaraderie at the craps table. I gambled so much at the craps table my last night.

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They let my craps team that dealt me all the craps come on stage and we celebrated together.

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I'm out there, like, I'm playing and I look and my, you know, cause they work in teams, you know, they all, and my team comes out on stage and dude, I was roaring laughing. I'm like, yeah. So that's hilarious.

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Look, I know people have a problem with gambling. I think it should be legal, but it can get away from you. But that's like a lot of things in this world. Alcohol, there's a lot of things that can get away from you. It doesn't mean it should be illegal.

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Right, well, Lord. It's just weird that it's only legal in a few states. I think that's expanding now. I remember when online gambling was illegal. Wasn't that long ago? The early days of the UFC, online gambling was illegal.

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Because we're obviously southeastern Tennessee, Bible Belt, and I don't know, but there's certain states. I guess Tennessee is a legal gambling state. Or maybe George. I can't tell.

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I have to talk to my nephews, all of his buddies, and see if they're on the little apps. But man, they'll go sign their buddies up to get the $200 free break. I mean, they got all kind of little racket.

00:21:26 Speaker_07
Yeah, well, and then also people would go to Indian reservations. That was the big thing. Right. Which is also crazy. Gambling's illegal.

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You got to pay the Indian reservation tax.

00:21:36 Speaker_07
Right.

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You know, you got to pay your 50 cent to do the dollar bet.

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Yeah.

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Do that math.

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Yeah, and you only have to be like a small percentage Native American to get a piece of that. So there's a lot of millionaires just hanging around that casino, just enjoying it.

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But if you got a place like in Connecticut, like- Oh, Mohegan and all that. They're great places.

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So you know, typically on my way kinda, The Mohegan, I'd go play there a couple years. One night I did three nights there, and dude, I'm like getting off stage, just sitting there gambling, and I'm like, am I coming out ahead on this gig or what?

00:22:12 Speaker_10
But I think I got out of there making a little money.

00:22:15 Speaker_07
Yeah. It's weird, though, that you could do that legally.

00:22:19 Speaker_10
Well, then even like in Tennessee and Tunica back in the day, you just put a barge on the Mississippi River and you can gamble. It's like, what is that all about?

00:22:29 Speaker_07
Right, that's that show Ozark.

00:22:31 Speaker_10
Right, yeah, well, totally the same premise, you know, it's like put a barge on the river and now let's take all these people's money.

00:22:39 Speaker_07
Yeah, my buddy Johnny, he used to, he was a pool hustler, he used to call people riverboat gamblers. When guys would just go off and you know a guy was a gambling addict, you just trick him into a game, he's like, guy's a riverboat gambler.

00:22:51 Speaker_10
Or, yeah, that's the two analogies. Degenerate or riverboat gambler. Be careful of all of them.

00:22:57 Speaker_07
It's just always been funny to me that Native American reservations are essentially a country inside the country, and they can do whatever the fuck they want. I was just reading about this Colorado wolf deal.

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They've relocated wolves to Colorado, and the Native American reservation let them know, the moment those wolves get onto our land, we're flying over in helicopters and gunning them down.

00:23:19 Speaker_10
I elk hunt every year in Colorado. Is that where you've done... I've done Colorado.

00:23:25 Speaker_07
Most of the years I go to Utah.

00:23:28 Speaker_10
Well, first of all, Cam Haines and I, we've got a connection with Cam. Just love that guy. So when I saw Colorado do that, I was like... It's just like, what are we doing, guys?

00:23:40 Speaker_07
Well, whenever you have biology that's getting voted on by people who don't understand it, it should be decided by wildlife biologists. That's it. That's the only people that should decide whether or not things like that happen.

00:23:52 Speaker_10
Well, we can really dive into this and let's do it. My thing is, We are so governed in the world of wildlife biology through the states and stuff. They're not going to let humans ruin animal populations, I don't think, anymore.

00:24:15 Speaker_10
If anything's going to happen, they're going to mess it up and let animal populations get too big. I was, and I don't know who to name or whatever, but I was with some guys with Wyoming, and we're talking about grizzly bears.

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And I said, man, you know, because they brought up grizzly bear problems, and I said, well, what is the deal? And they said, well, there's 1,400 to 1,500 grizzly bears in Wyoming. There needs to be 500 to 600.

00:24:53 Speaker_10
and five of the 1,500 are only hunting humans. Like, have totally... But there's not that many human deaths.

00:25:04 Speaker_10
Well, in Yellowstone, if you pay attention, there's about two or three that get... Right, but those 500 grizzly bears that are just hunting humans... No, five.

00:25:15 Speaker_07
Oh, five. Five, not 500. So there's five grizzly bears?

00:25:18 Speaker_10
Right, there's like five grizz... I'm so confused. Sorry, this probably won't be the first time I... I'm not totally clear with you, but yeah, so there's 1,400 to 1,500. There needs to be 500 to 600 grizzlies.

00:25:33 Speaker_10
But of all of them, five of them have like, oh, we don't care about salmon anymore. We want to sit by this trail and pick off this hiker. Jesus Christ. And that is a high up biologist in Wyoming telling me that.

00:25:50 Speaker_10
And I'm like, well, why won't they let y'all go in there let some hunters, think about the, you can do the math, do a $30,000 grizzly bear tag, do a $20,000 one. They'll go for that.

00:26:03 Speaker_09
Yeah, for sure.

00:26:05 Speaker_10
Go in and let it, manage it right, but there's one federal judge that's got it all shut down. One judge.

00:26:11 Speaker_07
That's so crazy. My friend went moose hunting, said he saw no moose, and he saw 12 grizzlies in Wyoming.

00:26:18 Speaker_10
I went on a bear hunt in Alberta, and there's so many grizzlies now, you can't even go. It was through Cam's people. John and Jen. I saw them recently, and they've had to move.

00:26:31 Speaker_07
Yeah, they move areas. They have abandoned areas because they're overrun with grizzlies. They sent me some trail cam pics that are terrifying, like little school buses. They look like school buses, like the size of these fucking grizzlies.

00:26:42 Speaker_10
Was it you that was talking about, they were trying to determine a male grizzly versus a male gorilla and who would win?

00:26:48 Speaker_07
I think I'm on team grizzly.

00:26:51 Speaker_10
Me too.

00:26:51 Speaker_07
Because they eat things and kill things every day. Gorillas just, they fight. They just like, they puff their chest out, they mostly eat grass.

00:26:59 Speaker_10
Well, but when you think about $30,000, $40,000 per grizzly, and then the guiding fee, and then the taxidermy.

00:27:06 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:27:07 Speaker_10
Think about the taxidermist.

00:27:09 Speaker_07
And then the Pittman Roberts. People need to understand all the gear, everything, 10% of that goes to wildlife management.

00:27:15 Speaker_10
All of it. And then at the end of that, nobody's going to let the grizzlies get exterminated.

00:27:21 Speaker_07
Right. They're overpopulated now.

00:27:24 Speaker_10
And then when you look at the population, how beautiful the elk population is in Colorado, and how amazingly managed it is in Colorado.

00:27:33 Speaker_10
For public hunters, for a guy like me that can go get an over-the-counter tag, I think they're probably going to wipe out over-the-counter tags for out-of-staters. They're going to make it a draw tag.

00:27:44 Speaker_10
And then, now the wolves get to eat them, and I don't get to bring my elk hunting money in and give it to them.

00:27:53 Speaker_07
The thing is, they always say that they're going to get to a certain level of the population, and then they're going to open it up for management. But they don't. Wolf management? Yeah. But what happens is, people sue.

00:28:05 Speaker_07
And the wildlife, you know, all the people that love wolves, they sue. And when they sue, they stop the hunt, and it has to go to court, and it has to get decided.

00:28:16 Speaker_07
And if you get a radical judge, like this judge that you said that's in Wyoming- And these are all-

00:28:21 Speaker_10
things that people in the know are telling me, so Lord, I don't need a judge somewhere in Wyoming pulling my... No, you're probably right.

00:28:29 Speaker_07
Everyone that I know that hunts there says there's a lot of grizzly bears, and it's concerning, because you don't see all of them.

00:28:35 Speaker_07
If you see a lot of them, there's a lot more than you don't see, because most of them are not just out in the open hanging out with you. Most of them are deep in the woods.

00:28:44 Speaker_10
So I went on a salmon trip up in British Columbia. 99% of your interpretation of a grizzly is this big old fat chunky thing. Well, so we're flying in on these helicopters to go

00:29:07 Speaker_10
the salmon runs that are running up into the mountains of British Columbia, and it's an amazing trip.

00:29:13 Speaker_10
Like, you fly over in the helicopter, you look down, you see the huge schools of salmon, you take your fly rod and you go catch them and drink your beer. Well, the helicopter pilot was like, hey man, we've seen some grizzlies.

00:29:26 Speaker_10
in the area just and you know at the time we're like man this is all part of the uh experience yeah it's like get a get us kind of going a little bit well we land and the night before we didn't fish that day so we'd flown in and drank some wine and dude you know my eyes are like fuzzy and we're fishing and i tell my guy i'm with him like hey i'm gonna go to the helicopter and get a beer or something and and dude i get there and i pop my beer and i'm like i look down the river and i'm like

00:29:54 Speaker_10
fuck that is a fucking grizzly coming toward my buddy and I went Jay and dude it was slim and like a damn it was lean and like a greyhound not I wouldn't say lean but it hadn't it hadn't got all fat on salmon yet well it comes down the bank

00:30:19 Speaker_10
and jumps in and we ease back to the helicopter we look back here comes another grizzly literally 30 yards from us and I'm like we get there and I'd left my beer on the bank and my grizzly sticks his tongue in my beer and then he jumps in the river

00:30:39 Speaker_10
I run, grab the beer, drink, I'm like, grizzly spit! Anyway, the helicopter pilot goes, I had a sip of it after.

00:30:48 Speaker_07
I had to! But that's like, what kind of trichinosis and wild shit are you gonna get from that?

00:30:54 Speaker_10
Some berry infection or salmon infection. Moose ass. So listen, dude, we get on the helicopter and the pilot's like, man, they're getting too comfortable. We take off, fly a mile down the river. I'd already had my fly rod together. I never broke it down.

00:31:11 Speaker_10
So I sat it in a little basket and we land. I take off about 200 yards, start fishing. And I had to slide down this like 20 foot cut bank where the river had cut the bank.

00:31:24 Speaker_10
I look across the river and here comes a grizzly bear galloping on the other side of the river. And I'm like, well, I've already seen the other two mature ones. And I was like, well, that's a baby grizzly. I was like, that's cute.

00:31:41 Speaker_10
Dude, that grizzly hits that bank on the other side of that river and jumps about 20 feet in the air and lands in that river. It looked like a Volkswagen VW bug hit that river. I take off to the helicopter. All my guys are like, get here, get here.

00:32:02 Speaker_10
A mother and two of the babies were on my tail.

00:32:06 Speaker_07
Oh my God.

00:32:07 Speaker_10
And when I got to the helicopter, dude, ruined my whole trip. I couldn't relax.

00:32:12 Speaker_07
That's when it gets scary when you're on the mothers.

00:32:14 Speaker_10
Oh, they're the ones that... They fuck everybody up. In two seconds.

00:32:19 Speaker_07
Yeah, they don't play any games. When they have their cubs with them, they don't take any chances. Like, I'm gonna incapacitate this dude. Fuck him.

00:32:28 Speaker_10
So that was my grizzly encounter.

00:32:31 Speaker_07
all these people that get to vote unlike B.C. when B.C. outlawed grizzly bear hunting. I wish all those people that experience, you should have to experience what it's actually like there. You should have to see. You should have to see the population.

00:32:45 Speaker_07
You see what it's like experiencing them. These aren't teddy bears.

00:32:48 Speaker_07
And for you saying you shouldn't be able to manage the population as wildlife biologists say it should be managed, you're putting people in danger, especially people that live up there.

00:32:56 Speaker_10
The thing about it with me, now listen, I grew up deer hunting my whole life, ducks, dove, quail, and man I always had a soft spot for bears and probably I still, it's not like I gotta go shoot bears every year, I mean whatever, but when you find out, when you hear you are a hunter and there are

00:33:17 Speaker_10
Like when I met John and Jenny, and they were like, Luke, there are so many that need to be managed. I was like, man, that's cool. Let's go do a bear hunt. Had a great time, and didn't get all heady with killing a bear.

00:33:33 Speaker_10
I mean, I know guys in Tennessee, in Gatlinburg, Joe. I mean, dude, they are darting black bears off second story Holiday Inn balconies. They're digging in. I mean, they're digging in canyons, you know, vending machines. Oh, yeah.

00:33:51 Speaker_10
And I'm like, dude, it's just a matter of time. Somebody's gonna walk out their balcony and they're gonna get got right there. One hundred percent. And they dart them and move them back into the Smoky Mountains.

00:34:02 Speaker_07
And then, you know what happened in New Jersey, right? The governor ran on this policy of banning the grizzly bear hunt.

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Sunday November 10th at 8 7 central on Paramount Network and He got in or excuse me the black bear hunt in Jersey Jersey Jersey has the most black bears per capita in the country, which is crazy I'm gonna send you something because I sent this to cam last night because it's nuts this dude just shot the state record so it's back in Yes, it's back in immediately

00:36:00 Speaker_07
because they had so many interactions.

00:36:03 Speaker_10
Joe, my mother lives in Mexico Beach, Florida, on the panhandle.

00:36:08 Speaker_07
It's a lot over there, too.

00:36:09 Speaker_10
And they, like, trash cans turned over every day, crazy amounts in South Georgia and Florida.

00:36:15 Speaker_07
Yeah, that's it. So I have a photo of the bear, Jamie, I'm going to send it to you, next to the dude who killed it. That's a good one. Yeah, I'm going to send you this, too. But look at that besides that bear. So this is in New Jersey.

00:36:32 Speaker_07
This is New Jersey 770 pound bear in New Jersey. I'd never I didn't know they were they were up there that they're dense dense with bears He's All the time.

00:36:45 Speaker_10
So down in the furthest, most southern corner of Georgia, Bainbridge, Georgia and all that, and then Mexico Beach, Florida around Lake Seminole, man, they're everywhere down there.

00:36:54 Speaker_07
They're all over the place. You got that photo of that dude laying next to it? Yeah. Look at that. Look at the size of that thing. Now that article says 800 pounds. That's from Sever Broadheads. It says 880, but the other article said 770. It's big.

00:37:11 Speaker_07
Whatever the actual size it is, it's big. Look at that sever hole.

00:37:17 Speaker_10
Good shot, dude. That's a perfect shot. I think there's healthy numbers of all of it, and like I say, when I see, you know, when you see I don't know wolves and elks.

00:37:29 Speaker_07
Well, there's more than healthy numbers. Okay, there but you know, it's 770 Oh gutted 770 gutted.

00:37:36 Speaker_05
Whoa That's what it is.

00:37:38 Speaker_07
So they waited in at 770 pounds gutted. So the thing was about 880. Holy shit Holy shit.

00:37:46 Speaker_10
Yeah, you see they got it in a slide. They had to put it in a well That's crazy

00:37:53 Speaker_07
Man, there's so many of... And for people who don't know, people eat bear, and bear's good. It tastes good.

00:37:58 Speaker_10
Well, and you know, the sad part about, I think, California, you know, the whole The gallbladder deal, I don't know much about that, but there was a black market for black bear gallbladders.

00:38:13 Speaker_07
In some cultures, they think it's medicine. So they were killing black bears just for their gallbladder? Yeah. But I think that was overblown. I don't think it's going to affect the population. I'm just guessing, especially a place like New Jersey.

00:38:28 Speaker_07
How are you going to affect that population? They're everywhere there. You ever see the fights they have in Far Rockaway?

00:38:36 Speaker_10
What's Far Rockaway?

00:38:37 Speaker_07
Far Rockaway, New Jersey is like a nice suburb. It's like a nice neighborhood. Giant bears. Jamie, pull that video up. Giant bears brawling on this guy's front lawn.

00:38:48 Speaker_10
Did you ever see the guy that filmed the 10-minute grizzly fight?

00:38:52 Speaker_07
This might be, oh yes, I did see that. That was insane. But that's where grizzlies are supposed to be. This isn't a fucking neighborhood. These are big bears and they're duking it out on this guy's nice lawn.

00:39:04 Speaker_07
They go tumbling down the stairs and they start fighting in the street and people are watching. And they're probably fighting over trash cans. Look at them. So look at the size of these fuckers. Imagine like you're watching TV and you're... Oh man.

00:39:22 Speaker_07
So these dudes, they duke it out. This is like, Jamie, how long is this video? It's like a 10 minute video. Six minute video. So six minutes, for six minutes, these dudes duke it out.

00:39:31 Speaker_07
They pile out into the street, they're biting each other, and this guy's filming from a car.

00:39:36 Speaker_07
And you see it as it like, trumbles down, like, yeah, pull it down so when they're in this, so they come tumbling down the hill, you know, full UFC style, duking it out. Passing by this guy's mailbox. Look at him. It goes on forever.

00:39:53 Speaker_07
And they're out in the street. This is a nice neighborhood. And you have huge predators in front of a Volvo. I mean, what the fuck? And this guy was trying to ban the hunt. Hey, pal, there's plenty of these bears. You should hunt them.

00:40:13 Speaker_07
Because if you don't hunt them, they're going to hunt you.

00:40:14 Speaker_10
Well, they're going to, you know, that's the thing. I think it's no different than, I mean, I grew up in South Georgia with gators and Yeah, same thing. You get one comfortable with you, man, and it's not good. It is not good at all.

00:40:29 Speaker_07
What's the problem? What we're dealing with here is ballot biology. It's all people that are very emotional. Most of them live in cities. Before I ever hunted bear, before I ever hunted at all, I was like, kill a bear. What an asshole.

00:40:41 Speaker_07
You don't have to be an asshole to kill a bear. And then you get it.

00:40:43 Speaker_10
I was kind of the same way.

00:40:45 Speaker_07
But you probably had more hunting experience. I grew up fishing.

00:40:48 Speaker_10
Well, I had whitetail hunting. And I remember, man, you know, being a 14-year-old kid shooting a deer and having remorse. But then you need to have that remorse, too, as a hunter. You need to understand. You're taking a life. Yes. And you need to.

00:41:04 Speaker_10
And I tell my boys that. My boys have grown up in it seriously. I'm like, hey, man. hold up.

00:41:12 Speaker_09
Right.

00:41:12 Speaker_10
Let's just don't run up to it, chunk it in the machine, just do a little homage. Respect. Right. So go ahead.

00:41:22 Speaker_07
But the remorse, go ahead. The remorse is important. It's a part of the experience. You are now connected to the food that you're going to eat. Right. And I think that's what most people don't have. And I think that's bad for us.

00:41:36 Speaker_07
I think all of human existence has been wrapped around hunting animals, and we hunted them ourselves forever, and then we eventually figured out agriculture.

00:41:47 Speaker_07
But we hunted them ourselves most of the time that humans were human, and we had this deep connection to this animal, because this animal was going to sustain our family. And they used it, they took the skin from it, and they made All kinds of things.

00:42:02 Speaker_07
They took the tendons, they made strings for bows. And the fur, gosh. Yeah, the fur. I mean, it's what their clothes were made out of. They ate all the organs. They ate everything. It sustained everybody, and that was how people lived.

00:42:15 Speaker_07
And then when people stopped living like that, we got a little confused. I know people that eat meat. Like, my wife was at dinner with her friends, and they were from England. And one of the friends said, where's your husband?

00:42:28 Speaker_07
And she said, oh, he's elk hunting. And and the guys made some sort while he's cutting a steak made some sort of like oh, that's atrocious Why did you do that? And she goes why are you eating meat?

00:42:40 Speaker_07
You didn't like you paid a supermarket hitman to go kill that fucking steak Like this is so stupid, but when you're removed from it culturally and England is basically removed from it culturally There's roe deer there and there's some stag stag.

00:42:52 Speaker_07
Yeah, but for the most part England has a very small hunting population and I believe bow hunting is actually outlawed there and It's outlawed in a lot of places in Europe. It's outlawed in Scotland. It's outlawed in a lot of places.

00:43:04 Speaker_07
So there's a deep ignorance as to what's going on and what it is, and then they have judgment based on these cultural norms. And there's media depictions, media depictions of hunters in movies. They're never the good guys. They're always pieces of shit.

00:43:20 Speaker_07
The hunters are always assholes, they're always drunk, they're always trying to kidnap women or kill somebody. Right? They're always like torturing an animal.

00:43:27 Speaker_07
There's always something where someone has to come in and fuck up the hunters because hunters are, they're portrayed as bad guys in movies.

00:43:34 Speaker_10
Yeah. And then, and listen, you, you, you know, the success rate of the, the, the proper ethical things always line up that, that, that, you know, you don't, the success rate doesn't always go like you wanted it to. Right.

00:43:50 Speaker_10
And, but, um, you know, the fact that, Hunters still are working every day just to keep hunting and the fact that hunting is declining So bad, it took a little uptick during David.

00:44:04 Speaker_07
Yeah, because during kovat people like hey, man this Fucking what if there's no food? My buddy lived in Asheville and he sent me a photo in the middle of the pandemic kills it dude He goes there's no meat and he was going down the meat aisle.

00:44:17 Speaker_07
He's like filming it. It's like there's no fucking meat here one of the best

00:44:22 Speaker_10
things that's just naturally happened at our house.

00:44:26 Speaker_10
And my wife is, you know, my wife's like typical housewife, plays tennis, great shape, doesn't, you know, when she kind of eats like a bird when she does eat, but man, she will call me and she'll go, Hey, let's have elk night.

00:44:40 Speaker_10
And cause we keep our freezer in my garage and I've got all my tackle in there. And she has through the years understood Like, hey, I'm going to run out to the freezer. We're going to do taco night.

00:44:53 Speaker_10
I'm going to throw all the elk meat in the sink, start thawing it. And man, over the last five years. I've woke up and we haven't had beef, cattle, and hamburger, tacos, spaghettis, bolognese. We haven't eaten it in five years at my house.

00:45:12 Speaker_10
It takes you a minute to go, hey, put it in the freezer and then plan your dinner. We all get busy with kids and stuff like that, but I'm so proud of her that she'll call me and be like,

00:45:24 Speaker_10
hey I'm going out to the freezer do you want me to get these elk tenderloins because by the time me and my I got three children that go out there with me now and two or three of us will get one I mean we got enough meat like it's awesome that it's the best food it's so good for you man when you pat out an elk patty hamburger like your hands have nothing on it right like I mean you could take beef patty and just like it's just like

00:45:53 Speaker_10
fat grease. It's like caulking, you know.

00:45:55 Speaker_07
That's also why it tastes so good.

00:45:57 Speaker_10
Right, which we gotta, there's a time and place for that. But it's pretty cool that Elk gets that. And they still have to add a little bit of pork fat to Elk just to keep it butt on.

00:46:08 Speaker_07
I give a lot of meat away, and whenever I do, when I get texts back, I get excited. People are like, damn, this is so good, and it makes me feel better. It does make you feel, like there's something about what I'm getting. You get energy from it.

00:46:20 Speaker_10
Well, yeah, and yeah, when you can go, like, we, at my place, my deer place in southern Tennessee, yeah, man, we just, we make sure, man, I got a big walk-in cooler there, and if we're not going to take something in there, I've got some red stag at my place in Tennessee.

00:46:38 Speaker_10
I did a high fence down there, and so between stag and white-tailed elk, you know, we're moving meat around and making jerky.

00:46:47 Speaker_07
Are they roaring on your property?

00:46:48 Speaker_10
They do.

00:46:49 Speaker_07
That's the craziest sound. It's the best. I thought the elk sound was crazy. Elk sounds probably the craziest. It's the best. But I'm used to it. But the roar. But when you hear a stag. It sounds like a lion. I put one on my Instagram story, Jamie.

00:47:03 Speaker_07
See if you can find it. There's a dude just staring at the camera roaring. I bet, or I hear rather, Argentina's a great place to go. Yeah. I hear they have a lot of them down in Argentina.

00:47:13 Speaker_10
It's interesting because Tennessee is very, very strict on their whitetail.

00:47:19 Speaker_07
Here he is. Listen to this guy.

00:47:37 Speaker_10
Imagine if you were some dude, and it's like a thousand years ago, and you don't know what the fuck that is So my 14 year old has been going to Colorado with me since he was five or six and when they're that little obviously they can't bow hunt, but we would get an elk down and

00:47:58 Speaker_10
And I'd let the boys hike up with me and pack the elk out. And one day we had another hunter with us going to get an elk, and my two little ones were following me. And I said, well, we had an elk bugle, and I said, hey, boys, stay right here.

00:48:14 Speaker_10
And they're six, six and eight. And we went up the hill, and I could keep, well, Tate, right before I walked off, he goes, Dad, Are they going to kill us if we sit here? Because those elk bugles, I mean, you can feel their bugles in the woods.

00:48:32 Speaker_10
And I said, no, son.

00:48:33 Speaker_06
Feel them in your chest.

00:48:34 Speaker_10
So we went up and tried to call this elk in. And then some elk did actually cross in front of them. And there's six and eight just sitting there, this big herd of elk coming by. And we come back. And I was watching.

00:48:45 Speaker_10
I could see them sitting down there on this tall log that I put them on. But I got back and they were like,

00:48:52 Speaker_10
I mean, you know, having your boys, I mean, that's what I live for and to keep the, you know, and I just wish we could create a narrative where getting your children doing that will, I mean, I don't know.

00:49:07 Speaker_07
Well, hunting is a very difficult entry. It's very difficult. It is. If you're a person who's like listening to this, like I've never hunted before, but I'd like to learn how to do it. Good luck. It's very hard to do. You're right. Very, very hard.

00:49:20 Speaker_07
It's very hard to find someone who's going to teach you, who has the patience to show you what to do. If you've never shot a rifle before, it's very hard to understand, like, what is the difference between a .300 Win Mag and a 7mm?

00:49:34 Speaker_10
That is the tricky part, really, with all outdoors. If you could bridge the gap between all parts of urban life, and allow urban life to find a place to go.

00:49:49 Speaker_10
But we went through a phase in outdoors where landowners were like, if you hunt my land and you twist your ankle and break your leg, you're going to sue me. So no, you're not allowed to come hunt my land.

00:50:01 Speaker_10
So all the deer get overpopulated, eat all my crops. And then, so I think now states, I think Tennessee has put a law into where some of those getting sued. Well, what I'm saying is that feeds people's inability to go find somewhere to hunt, too.

00:50:21 Speaker_10
I mean, so many people don't have a 50-acre farm. They can't afford it, but they want to go hunt. And then I just hope the hunting community and even the whole outdoor community can make it more accessible and landowners.

00:50:35 Speaker_10
I mean, I had this little lady that I wanted a turkey hunt. She had 60 acres that bordered a 300-acre track of mine, and I was like, ma'am, when I'm out hunting and some of my turkeys or our turkeys may cross onto your property, do you mind if I go?

00:50:53 Speaker_10
And her house is a mile away from Or, it's 50 acres, it's probably 400 yards. She thought my shotgun was going to shoot through her house and kill her. And I had to spend 45 minutes.

00:51:05 Speaker_10
And she grew up in Tennessee, in the country, and she doesn't understand that a shotgun is not, you know...

00:51:13 Speaker_10
And so, man, the education of it all, just the bridge and the knowledge of it gradually gets worse and worse, but the need for it gets greater and greater. And I tell my children all the time, I'm like, boys, There is no drug in the world.

00:51:33 Speaker_10
And I'm not a, you know, I'm a pretty straight guy, never done much of that, but I said, I got a lot of crazy buddies that have, and when a big elk's walking in or a big whitetail or you hook a big fish, the adrenaline from that, no drug will replace it.

00:51:50 Speaker_07
Nothing's like it. I've done some wild shit in my time.

00:51:53 Speaker_10
I've seen the documentation of the wild stuff.

00:51:55 Speaker_07
I've done some wild shit. I'm gonna send you a video, Jamie, of something that happened last week. So this is the best example of that. This is the best example of that. We had this elk, and he was out at about 50 yards. We'd snuck in on him.

00:52:12 Speaker_07
He was over the ridge at 50 yards. We could see the tips of his antlers moving around. I had my sights set at 50 yards, and as my friend was calling him, my friend was at a tree that was about 20 yards from me. He came right into our lap.

00:52:26 Speaker_07
So it was one of those things where I had him range at 50, and then I see him coming in. He's coming in. I range him again at 40. I dial him in. I'm like, oh, shit, he's coming into our lap. He just kept coming in. Watch this video. Do you not have it yet?

00:52:40 Speaker_07
God damn. Modern technology. It didn't make it through? Oh, it's still going. Hold on.

00:52:47 Speaker_04
Pressing it to send it through iMessage. Oh, is that what it is?

00:52:52 Speaker_07
Maybe. Okay. It said it went through. Did it go through? It just got it. Okay. Bust out those cigars. You want a little heavier or mild? Whatever you have. Here goes. Check this out. Listen to this. Listen to this when he comes over the hill and gets angry.

00:53:10 Speaker_07
Like when I heard that, I was like, uh oh, here he comes. So right now he's about 50 yards. What's your heart doing right now? Right now I'm pretty calm, because he's at 50 yards. Right. But now I'm realizing he's not going to stop, so I range him again.

00:53:24 Speaker_07
Now he's at 40. Oh, God. He pauses for a second. He's staring right at me. I have to stop. Oh, yeah, so you're off to the right. I'm off to the right, and I'm pressed up against a tree, full camo, hiding in plain sight. So now he's moving out.

00:53:38 Speaker_07
So now I'm like, oh, shit. I'm moving my sight to 20. So now I move my sight to 20, and I'm trying to figure out a time to draw. So right here I draw, that's where he turns. He sees some movement. That's another one, beautiful one. Perfect. That was it.

00:53:56 Speaker_07
Boom.

00:53:57 Speaker_07
It's like that and there's so much nerves and so much like anxiety and you're ranging them and he's coming in and it's like and you think he's gonna be a 50 but all sudden he's at 20 and then it's like don't punch the shot like relax execute a perfect shot.

00:54:12 Speaker_10
Well here's the beauty of all that in the outdoors. You know when you hear these are mild they're good though. man, when you kind of conquer one level of fishing or hunting, then there's another one you can go learn the space in.

00:54:31 Speaker_10
You know what I'm saying? You can go, and what I say is like, I just, I mean, from the elk hunter that I was, the elk hunter that I was 10 years ago, like took so much, took so much work to even get from a 10% knowledgeable elk hunter to a 60%.

00:54:56 Speaker_10
Now, I can watch that elk react to everything and know how that elk's reacting because I've done it for 11, 12 years now, and I've taken my boys. Well, so when you get tired of whitetail hunting, and whitetail hunting gets rudimentary,

00:55:16 Speaker_10
then go try to dig in and take it to the next level to challenge yourself. That's what's so fun about, like when I got, I was always a bass fisherman, always a bass fisherman, never fly fisherman.

00:55:28 Speaker_10
Well, then I got into fly fisherman and that became the new seven year challenge that I- You tie your own flies? I can now the little, I can tie big streamers. Right. But like the little bitty intricate- Where you gotta get like goggles on and shit.

00:55:44 Speaker_06
Oh yeah.

00:55:45 Speaker_10
It's a real art form totally The one of the most rewarding things you can do sure you make your own make your own fly and trick a Big-ass fish a big fish with it. Yeah

00:56:00 Speaker_07
My only problem with fly fishing is a lot of it is catch and release. And I'm like, it's fun. I know it's fun, but you're basically just fucking with fish. You're just fucking with them. Like, I could have killed you, bitch. You know? Well.

00:56:18 Speaker_06
I get it.

00:56:19 Speaker_10
The handling of the trout, like when I was, you know, I grew up bass fishing and we're like, and the bass flies out of the water. We'd grab it.

00:56:27 Speaker_10
And, you know, as kids we're like, Oh, we thought, you know, you catch a trout and it's like a, it's like a creature. Yeah, it's like a team in the delivery room comes in to hold the brand new baby. Heck, they treat newborns.

00:56:41 Speaker_10
They're slapping newborns around and getting their lungs going before you mishandle a trout. But the whole mystique of trout and all of this stuff is just, man, it's outlets for all of us.

00:56:55 Speaker_10
I mean, I remember when I moved to Nashville, man, my dad, he kept me. fishing and hunting, and he wound up being a pretty dang successful business guy.

00:57:06 Speaker_10
And he told me, he goes, dude, when you move to Nashville, don't forget to take time to go do that stuff. And for about two or three years, Man, I didn't. I was focusing on my career.

00:57:20 Speaker_10
But now as I roll out, as I'm kind of established, it's been the highlight. The fact that three boys landed in my life, my wife's like, it's not even fair. I can always use one of them.

00:57:39 Speaker_10
I was like, well, baby Bo, he's really been stressed at school and he wants to hunt this thing. I know your game. I know your game.

00:57:47 Speaker_07
But we're so lucky in this country, too, that there's so much places that are public land. That's another thing that Europe doesn't have. I mean, that's what Robin Hood was all about. People think Robin Hood was steal from the rich and give to the poor.

00:58:00 Speaker_07
No, it was about hunting lands and hunting rights. People were starving, and the king had all the land. And there was all these deer, and Robin Hood would go out and whack deer. Like, that was the story about Robin Hood.

00:58:11 Speaker_07
It really wasn't about stealing money. It was really about hunting rights. They don't have that over there. I didn't know that. Yeah, but that's why it's so fucked over there. That's why they don't have this attitude about it.

00:58:21 Speaker_10
And that's why, you know, you hope... The whole education of hunting and landowners and conservation of the animals and all the land ties into where, you know, landowners need to have a better understanding of, man, give this old boy a break.

00:58:40 Speaker_10
Give this guy that just knocked on your door and asked permission the good old-fashioned way, man, give him a break and let him take his son or go hunt, you know, and don't, you know, don't hoard your 15,000 acres to your, you know.

00:58:55 Speaker_07
But hopefully he's a good guy. That's the problem also is that assholes ask for permission and then do something stupid,

00:59:02 Speaker_10
Dude, I had a guy shoot a stag. First year I put my stag in my fence, shot him right off the road. Left him. Man, you talk about pissed. Right off the road.

00:59:15 Speaker_07
Just shot him and left him.

00:59:16 Speaker_10
Shot him and left him.

00:59:17 Speaker_07
Yeah, see, there's people like that out there, and it's so fucked up.

00:59:19 Speaker_10
It's the bad apples, you know. They're out there.

00:59:21 Speaker_07
How could you do that to a stag, too? God, that's so awful. Yeah. And the meat is so sensational. To know that that meat is gonna go to waste, that's so crazy.

00:59:30 Speaker_10
Man, I don't know. You know, I guess enough whiskey and an old back road and a raffle, you'll... Shitty education, bad childhood, all of the above.

00:59:40 Speaker_07
Well, but... Yeah, all of the above.

00:59:44 Speaker_10
But yeah, I mean, I look at... I've got Till, my nephew, he's lived with me since he was 12, and then Till's 22 now, and Bo is 16, and Tate is 14. And Till was 15 when he killed his first elk.

01:00:05 Speaker_10
The rule has been if you can pull 55 pounds, you're ready to hunt. And so Bo is a lot bigger than Tate. When he was 13 and 14, said, Bo, my 13-year-old killed a full-grown elk at 13. Whoa.

01:00:20 Speaker_06
With a bow?

01:00:22 Speaker_10
With a bow. Whoa. Totally the friggin' most badass thing I've ever seen.

01:00:28 Speaker_07
Just to be that young and be able to execute the shot.

01:00:30 Speaker_10
Dude, he did it and he earned it. And like I said, I've been hiking him up those hills.

01:00:35 Speaker_10
That's what another, like the hunting and the killing is that, man, when you pack out a damn 800 pound animal, the first time I packed my elk out, dude, when I got to the Polaris, I mean, I was like,

01:00:52 Speaker_10
I was sobbing like from exertion, like delusional, because we took a wrong turn, we hit a big Aspen blowdown, and I had to tote the head and the cape out, and I had to walk over blown-down Aspens with that cape.

01:01:09 Speaker_10
And once we got 500 yards into the blowdown, And man, we got to that bugging. And all the elk hunting guides, they're the toughest dudes. Oh yeah, they're doing that all year long.

01:01:22 Speaker_07
They're grizzled.

01:01:23 Speaker_10
They're the toughest guys. I tell people, man, if I get called to a serious If I get called in in a serious war, I'm calling my elk guides. That's my first call. And I didn't grow up ever thinking I'd have the opportunity or the ability to go hunt elk.

01:01:44 Speaker_10
But once you start doing it, and... But, you know, man, this week I killed, Thursday I killed my biggest white-tailed ever did. And man, I was so, I'm so... like overwhelmed by killing it.

01:01:59 Speaker_10
I haven't even like, I don't even know if I've enjoyed it yet because it was, it kind of happened fast, but it's just so fun. You got a picture? How big is it? It was big.

01:02:11 Speaker_10
So listen now, and so I didn't post it because it's obviously in my high fence and you know the, you know, but man this deer was born in the fence. In Tennessee you can't bring any genetics in. You can't do anything. Whatever herd you have,

01:02:25 Speaker_10
When you... Wild herd. Whatever wild Tennessee deer you have, you have to grow them. And man, this deer, Joe, when he was two years old, we were like, what in the fuck? What a UFO ship dropped this off in here.

01:02:43 Speaker_10
He started with huge mass, different looking genetics, and we watched him for, we grew him for, we feel like he's five and a half, and dude, we are over the moon about this deer. I know.

01:02:58 Speaker_07
That's a huge deer. How big is your property?

01:03:01 Speaker_10
I guess all together it's probably 1,200 acres in the fence.

01:03:06 Speaker_07
So that is much more space than a deer would ever travel in its natural life anyway.

01:03:13 Speaker_10
I'll put it to you this way. We put about 18 red stag in there. We don't know how many there are. That deer might have got fucked by a stag. I think his mom. Yeah, he might have. That might be a hybrid. A hybrid, yeah. Dude, we will ride around.

01:03:32 Speaker_10
We have too many stag, and we'll try to fin them out, Joe. We can't find them. Literally, like, we'll spend a day. I'm like, hey, grab the rifle. We're going to pull up here, walk this bottom. Can't find them. There's 60 of them in there.

01:03:49 Speaker_10
We hunted them for four days this weekend. We killed two.

01:03:55 Speaker_07
So 1,200 is, I mean... It's much larger than a deer would have in its natural realm.

01:04:01 Speaker_10
Yeah, and I, you know, listen, I mean, there are a million ways you can criticize me for having the high fence, but, you know, I have low fences that we bounce back and forth on the low fences.

01:04:15 Speaker_10
Because that's fun as hell, too, to not know what's walking in. But the main thing is I wanted my boys to have the ability to manage deer and grow them. And I grew up, I love South Texas. Big, big, I love South Texas deer hunt.

01:04:34 Speaker_10
But I learned I leased a South Texas place down here. And then I learned having young children and my schedule, man, to go own a South Texas ranch, commit that much to a South Texas ranch, and get five days there wasn't my thing.

01:04:50 Speaker_10
So my high fence in Tennessee is kind of like my little ode or my little homage to my love for South Texas whitetails. So you can keep it close? Keep it close. It's 55 minutes from the house.

01:05:02 Speaker_07
Oh, that's nice.

01:05:03 Speaker_10
And it's a retreat. I get down there. Starlink has ruined us because now we have internet. But before that, man, we'd pull in the hauler down there, and you'd have to drive up to the hill to make a phone call. But oh, oh, Elon saved us on that.

01:05:20 Speaker_07
The new Starlink's wild. It's the size of a notebook.

01:05:24 Speaker_10
Well, what was funny is the first time we saw the satellites come over, we were at elk camp. You know, my nephew, Teal, he's 21 and we're all liquored up.

01:05:34 Speaker_10
And my nephew, he goes, guys, I know we've been drinking all day, but what in the hell is coming toward us right now? And we were like, and then we had one guy in the group was like, God damn, that's Elon Musk.

01:05:52 Speaker_07
And we watched it go over, and we were like, wow, what a, what a. It's amazing. We used one in Utah for the first time this year. So easy to set up, set it up in like five minutes. We did it too. And then we're online, YouTube, whatever you want.

01:06:05 Speaker_10
I mean, my wife, when I went to elk camp, my wife was like, all right, I'll hear you, I'll see you, I'll talk to you in six days. First day, elk camp, set the Starlink out, FaceTime, hey baby, how are you?

01:06:18 Speaker_07
It's crazy. Yeah. My buddy was deer hunting recently in South Texas, and he said on three different occasions in the week their deer got bumped by illegals. He said it was crazy. He said illegal aliens just moving through the ranch.

01:06:35 Speaker_07
He said they have, you know, a swarm of them every day.

01:06:39 Speaker_10
I hunt South Texas every year, and the ranch we went to last year, at any given moment you can drive and pick up 50 backpacks.

01:06:52 Speaker_10
They just, that ranch looks like, when I, and I hadn't been, this ranch was closer to the border than I've ever been, and there are piles of backpacks and tarps, you know, they'll take tarps and

01:07:11 Speaker_10
put the tarp out, and they'll wait in the day, and then they get picked up at night, typically. But when they get picked up, they chunk their backpack.

01:07:21 Speaker_10
The ranch I was at, they have to have a full-time team of people just going around picking up backpacks and keeping trash off the ranch.

01:07:27 Speaker_07
My buddy who has a ranch in South Texas found a dead guy, found a guy ran out of water, just died on his ranch.

01:07:34 Speaker_10
And it's heartbreaking because, dude, if anybody, dude, I can't imagine having to walk through that brush to get to freedom. Right. Because when I get back... And not knowing where you're going.

01:07:45 Speaker_10
Not knowing where you're going and probably you have kids.

01:07:48 Speaker_08
Yeah. Yeah.

01:07:49 Speaker_10
Dude, when I leave South Texas, I'm pulling cactuses out of my ass for a month.

01:07:54 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:07:55 Speaker_10
Especially if you do, you know, you go rattle for them and stuff.

01:07:59 Speaker_07
So, man, it's... Forget about rattlesnakes. Forget about everything else that's down there.

01:08:03 Speaker_10
And water, yeah, when you think about, man, you get your water rations. Yeah. You miss that.

01:08:08 Speaker_07
Yeah. You could zig when you should have zagged and you're not going to run into water, especially down there. And it was in the summer. So, you know, 105 degrees outside, this poor dude just died. And they found him. Well, every ranch.

01:08:24 Speaker_10
Every ranch I've went to, the ranch owner, they're encountering two deaths a year, 15 to 20.

01:08:33 Speaker_10
Most of the time they come up to the main headquarters needing water and when they get to you, or that's been my experience with talking to ranch managers down there,

01:08:44 Speaker_10
They're very, you know, they're not, I don't think they're there to create any problems. They're just like, hey, you know, we need some water.

01:08:52 Speaker_07
The vast majority of them are just trying to get a better life.

01:08:54 Speaker_10
Get a better life.

01:08:55 Speaker_07
Yeah, and we would be doing it too. Could you imagine if you're living in a third world country and you had kids, and you realize you can get to America and you get a good job, and you've got to figure out how to do it. Yeah, I would do it.

01:09:05 Speaker_05
I got to.

01:09:06 Speaker_07
We would all do it. It's just the craziness of not knowing where you're going in South Texas, which is so vast. I mean, I think it's one of those things where people talk about it.

01:09:17 Speaker_07
It's almost like talking about space, you know, like, oh, the galaxy is 200 million stars or 200 billion stars. It doesn't make sense because it's like it's too big for you to understand. If you had to walk through South Texas, it's South Texas.

01:09:30 Speaker_07
Well, Texas itself is bigger than like multiple countries in Europe.

01:09:35 Speaker_10
Yeah. Well, I think, you know, and even imagine before like the oil booms and oil rigs and stuff like now they have a little bit of visual lights to walk to.

01:09:45 Speaker_07
Right. Right.

01:09:46 Speaker_10
I mean, man, I couldn't imagine.

01:09:47 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:09:49 Speaker_10
Just striking out.

01:09:50 Speaker_07
Just taking a chance. Crossing the Rio Grande. Hoping, hoping, or maybe you'd gone with someone who went through it before and they have a vague memory of what's the best way to get to a creek.

01:10:05 Speaker_10
I don't know. I mean, we've been there and the guys, they open box blinds, deer hunting towers, and there's a family sleeping in the box blind. Man, you just gotta feel so sorry for them. I mean, how bad? I mean, dude, I remember when I was

01:10:23 Speaker_10
15 16 years old processing Cubans where it's so bad that you're gonna fucking piece together a Raft and you're gonna you're gonna give it a you're gonna give it a go for Miami, right? I remember being 16 going how bad must that be?

01:10:40 Speaker_10
How bad must that be?

01:10:42 Speaker_07
Pretty fucking bad pretty fucking bad pretty fucking bad their their case is a little different because they're running from a communist dictatorship And they were like we got that's why the most Republican motherfuckers in this country Cubans

01:10:56 Speaker_07
Cubans go hard. They're like we've seen We've seen what all this socialist horseshit comes down to and it comes down to government control over every aspect of your life And they they enforce it with violence.

01:11:09 Speaker_07
They enforce it with guns It's not as simple as everybody just gives up whatever they have and now everybody has an equal amount. That's all nonsense That's the that's the hook

01:11:18 Speaker_07
But the reality is, the government controls everything, and you are fucked. And they always live in big-ass houses, and they eat great food, and everybody else is barely getting by. And it's everywhere.

01:11:28 Speaker_10
It's from Africa to Cuba to Venezuela. The whole African... that whole...

01:11:34 Speaker_07
Have you ever hunted in Africa?

01:11:35 Speaker_10
I haven't, but I know I will. I can go on this show and say, man, I'm not one of those guys that's thinking about an elephant or lions and all that. I love to bow hunt, and I like plains animals. your kudos and all that stuff, man.

01:11:55 Speaker_10
When my boys get a little older and we can do a proper two-month... Currently, sports and my children have ruined my hunting life.

01:12:03 Speaker_10
Well, because my boys are going to play all the sports, but when we can get a... I'd love to do them a gap year and let's go do a true safari. And when I say safari, that doesn't mean I want to go hunt 60 days.

01:12:17 Speaker_10
I want to see all of the Serengetis and all of the animals and take in the animals for a month and have the wives and the girls and the girlfriends and we sit out there and do the safaris.

01:12:28 Speaker_10
But then I want to carve out two or three days where all the boys go you know, go get the true planes game.

01:12:35 Speaker_08
Yeah.

01:12:36 Speaker_10
And I would love it's me. I tell you, it's pretty cool story. My my pilot, my lead pilot is South African. And during covid, man, he couldn't his mother was dying and he couldn't get down there to tell his mother by.

01:12:52 Speaker_10
And at this point, I just I just kind of got to know AJ and man, I've always heard that South Africans are pretty badass dudes, and at the time, I was learning that AJ's a pretty badass dude. I didn't altogether know it.

01:13:11 Speaker_10
Well, he got with me, and he goes, Luke, man, it's still, I cannot get into South Africa.

01:13:17 Speaker_10
It may have been his mother or his wife's mother, but I called some local guys, some local Congress guys in Tennessee, and they granted him permission to get down there, and they got to tell either his wife's mother about it.

01:13:33 Speaker_10
Well, he comes back, and he's like, Luke, I now owe you a Cape buffalo. And I was like, what? He goes, my family has a big ranch. We're overrun with Cape Buffalo and you now have one of my Cape Buffalo. So dude, he is going to fly me down there.

01:13:52 Speaker_10
And I'm like, and that's just kind of the way he's, he's, he's wired, but you know, he's going to help us with some safari stuff.

01:13:59 Speaker_07
Don't they call them the black death?

01:14:01 Speaker_10
Yeah, now they are bad. Yeah, you you don't just go running up to them. Yeah, like with with your not your shit together.

01:14:10 Speaker_07
It's like a 1800 pound animal, right? Maybe bigger. And like, all muscle. So Cam and Adam Greentree, they went up to Australia. You know, Australia has like an infestation of Asian buffalo. They have, I forget which type of buffalo it is, but invasive.

01:14:31 Speaker_07
So someone introduced it, like all the animals in Australia. A lot of the mammals were introduced and they have no natural predators. So they have these buffalo up there everywhere.

01:14:39 Speaker_07
Cam said he shot one and he, you know, they went up there with no food and they went up there to live off the land. They're drinking out of fucking,

01:14:49 Speaker_10
Crocodile lakes like literally bathing in that shit filtering water Filtering water eating whatever fish they caught it's cams new version of pushing himself now.

01:14:58 Speaker_07
He's gonna nice gonna I think was Adams idea.

01:15:01 Speaker_07
Oh, he's a psycho, too So the both of them are perfect together So he said he had one piece of buffalo in his mouth for a half an hour just chewing on it So that's how tough they are He said it took forever to eat that thing

01:15:16 Speaker_10
It's the true form of like, yeah, no, that's even a whole nother level of true organics when it takes you.

01:15:23 Speaker_08
Oh, yeah.

01:15:24 Speaker_10
You know, when you're jerky's jerky right out of the right out of the, you know, right in the field.

01:15:28 Speaker_07
Yeah. Well, there's no dry aged Buffalo out there.

01:15:32 Speaker_10
No, that's a fucking... They say I was a taste of it.

01:15:35 Speaker_10
I mean, because most plains animals in Africa, historically, they say are far beyond our plains animals, as far as the meat, like your kudus and your, I mean, I'm drawing a blank on all the plains games. And like I said, this is stuff that I'm like,

01:15:54 Speaker_10
totally elementary in because I don't, I just don't know much about that whole African thing.

01:15:59 Speaker_07
It seems like the things that the big cats want to eat are all delicious.

01:16:03 Speaker_10
Right, yeah.

01:16:04 Speaker_07
Like I shot a Neal guy a couple years ago and tigers eat them.

01:16:09 Speaker_10
Right, did you ever eat the Neal guy? Yes, delicious. And the meat is like an even more vivid, a more vivid red color to it than even our, you know, our elk and stuff. Well, it's all delicious.

01:16:23 Speaker_07
My favorite is still elk, but another one is axis deer. They get hunted by tigers, and they're some of the best tasting animals alive. access deer are delicious. I think cats are smart, just like bears are smart too. Salmon's delicious.

01:16:38 Speaker_10
I'd sit there and pick them off. They know what they're doing. Well, have you done Africa? Are you going to do it? I would like to. I'd like to go over to Africa just to see it. So you really got it. Cam, was he kind of your catalyst?

01:16:50 Speaker_07
Oh yeah.

01:16:51 Speaker_10
And God, I mean, it's like you had It's like you had Michael Jordan teach you how to play basketball. Yeah, Michael Jordan teach you how to shoot free throws, yeah. It's so fun, though.

01:17:00 Speaker_10
But you know, even with guys, I tell you, man, I dove hard into duck hunting. And you talk about, you talk about, I mean, learning to blow a duck call.

01:17:10 Speaker_10
And when you think you know how to blow a duck call, and you get next to somebody that blows a duck call, and you blow yours, and the room starts laughing at you, like, like ridicule, like,

01:17:23 Speaker_10
take your duck call off and put it in your bedroom and leave it when we go hunting and I'm like dude I've been working on this fucking thing for four years and they're like and it's so funny but it's like elk bugles yeah someone who sucks at bugling like you hear me like what the fuck was that I mean it's like you walking in with a with a tutu on yeah

01:17:48 Speaker_07
I love duck hunting, too. I've never done it, but I love the idea because you're sneaking. You're hiding. You got fake ducks. You get the whole deal. Some people have ducks that even have flopping wings.

01:17:58 Speaker_10
Listen, man, let me tell you something. Dude, I got given a chocolate lab about eight years ago. And here comes this wormy-ass chocolate lab into my home, you know, scrawny.

01:18:14 Speaker_10
And since then, oh my God, that damn animal has thrust me into duck hunting, just so I could take him duck hunting.

01:18:23 Speaker_07
And man, it is... That sounds like the same excuse you use with your kids. Right, my kid, yeah.

01:18:27 Speaker_10
I have to go for the dog. Yeah, for the dog.

01:18:30 Speaker_07
The dog needs some duck hunting in its life.

01:18:31 Speaker_10
But man, and my wife is this dog, man. This dog can open every drawer in our house. He can open Frito-Lays, he can smack Frito-Lays open and eat them.

01:18:48 Speaker_10
He's pushed a porcelain pound cake on a porcelain island off onto the floor, ate the pound cake and the porcelain dish. Like, x-ray, hundred shards of porcelain in his stomach.

01:19:04 Speaker_10
The vet's like, put that fucker out in the yard, because if he makes it, if he lives, call me back. He lived. And now I have duck hunting properties and my boy, you know, we're in the house blowing duck calls. My wife's like,

01:19:20 Speaker_10
I mean, my wife's like four boys in the house, all of them blowing duck calls. She's like, man, one day, yeah.

01:19:27 Speaker_07
So do you have one of them setups where you're like hiding in one of those shacks that's underground?

01:19:33 Speaker_10
We have elevated blinds that are brushed in and some brush, and then we have pit blinds that are, you know, when you get down in a pit blind, you're right along the water level.

01:19:45 Speaker_10
You know, there's experiences where you wade in the woods, and they come down in the woods, and man, it's just... The thing that really makes duck hunting kind of like when you're in a blind with your... Let's just say you got your buddies from way back, and there's five of you, and you're sitting there smoking cigars, and you're in the blind together, and it's very social, too.

01:20:12 Speaker_10
Drinking coffee, it's... you know, 15 degrees, coffee, cigar, you know, and everybody's like, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.

01:20:21 Speaker_10
And you work the ducks, they light in front of you, you kill them, the dog gets them, brings the duck back, you look at the duck and you're just like.

01:20:30 Speaker_10
You just have a big ol' toke on your cigar, and you're like, yep, this is pretty good shit right here.

01:20:35 Speaker_07
Are you good at cooking them?

01:20:37 Speaker_10
Yeah, man. You know, the thing about it, when you do, you know, your grain ducks, your ducks that feed on your rice and your corn. You know, like a diver duck that eats, essentially, minnows. Yeah, you don't want to eat that. And geese, geeser.

01:20:55 Speaker_10
You find somebody that can cook a goose. You know the story about how to cook a goose?

01:20:59 Speaker_08
No.

01:21:00 Speaker_10
Well, you get a big pot, and you put a bunch of water, and then you put a concrete cinder block in there, and you boil the goose, and you pull the goose out and eat the cinder block. But some people can make a speckled goose.

01:21:21 Speaker_10
Speckle bellies are good. But like a mallard and a wood duck, oh man, a wood duck with jalapeno and cheese and bacon wrap, which nothing's bad when you do that.

01:21:31 Speaker_07
My friend Jesse Griffiths, he runs this restaurant out here called Dai Due. Is it? It's fantastic. And he serves a lot of wild game. And Jesse came on this hunt with us with Steve Rinello down in South Texas, and Jesse cooked some diver duck.

01:21:44 Speaker_07
Was it good? It was fantastic.

01:21:47 Speaker_10
Whoever the hell Jesse is? He's a wizard. He's a real chef. So Ryan Seacrest, he's like, hey man, Ryan Seacrest, the radio guy? My guy, yeah, at American Idol. And Seacrest goes, hey, I've got a... you need a light?

01:22:07 Speaker_10
He goes, dude, I booked this at EMP, 11 Madison Park. Number one, at the time, number one restaurant in downtown, you know, Adam was...

01:22:18 Speaker_10
Ryan was taking me and Katie and Lionel to dinner, and I've never been to a, certainly the number one restaurant in the world.

01:22:25 Speaker_10
Well, they take us to tour the kitchen, and dude, they have ducks, walls, because all of your French cuisine, really the centerpiece is duck. That's like the duck fat. The ducks are the real big part of French cuisine. Well, dude, I see these,

01:22:47 Speaker_10
I see all these ducks and I'm like, what are y'all doing here? He goes, man, we're aging them. So they get these, now they're getting probably there, they're getting farm raised, organically grown ducks and they age them with the guts in them.

01:23:02 Speaker_07
Yeah, I've heard of that. I've heard people do that with, like, pheasants, too. You hang them by their neck.

01:23:07 Speaker_10
The enzymes of the guts pull stuff out of the meat.

01:23:14 Speaker_07
Well, it adds a flavor to it, apparently. Indeed.

01:23:17 Speaker_10
Man, I ain't ducked that. But it sketches me out. Yeah. Well, here's the tricky part, because...

01:23:23 Speaker_10
Dude, I don't even know if I enjoyed my meal because I picked the chef's brain because I wanted to figure out a way to take my mallards and all my ducks I killed and age them properly.

01:23:34 Speaker_10
But what you do got to worry about is when you shoot them, you know, you're putting, you know, you're shooting, the guts are going through, kind of in the meat a little bit.

01:23:43 Speaker_07
If you shoot them, right. Yeah, that's different.

01:23:45 Speaker_10
You know, I haven't got that good where I all headshot them yet.

01:23:49 Speaker_07
No, when these guys are aging them, what's the temperature in the room?

01:23:52 Speaker_10
I think it's like just above, they're not freezing them. I think it's however you would dry age a cow.

01:24:00 Speaker_07
So like 40 degrees or something like that?

01:24:02 Speaker_10
Probably 40 degrees and 13, 15 days with the guts in them. Wow.

01:24:05 Speaker_07
And then 15 days with the guts in them. I've heard that people hang their pheasants until their heads fall off. And that's when they cut them up. Who figured that out? Who was the bold bastard?

01:24:21 Speaker_10
It's the guy that ate the first oyster, right? The guy who drank out of the puddle. Right. Yeah, and you know, it is fascinating, and pheasant, and when you look at pheasant and quail and chuckers and

01:24:33 Speaker_10
You know, Hungarian Partridge now, you're talking about the end all of wild game. In my opinion, the top of the... That's what you like the most?

01:24:42 Speaker_10
Well, I think when you look at the pheasants, you know, they call them prairie chickens and they're beautiful. The meat's a little whiter and less gamey or so.

01:24:50 Speaker_07
Have you had sandhill crane?

01:24:52 Speaker_10
Yes, ribeye of the sky.

01:24:53 Speaker_07
I haven't, but it's crazy to look at it. It does look like steak. It's a red meat, a deep red meat, and it's a bird.

01:25:01 Speaker_10
And, you know, they're wild little creatures too, man. You know, when you take your lab sandhill crane hunting, you got to fit them with goggles. Because they'll poke their eyes out? Yeah. Whoa.

01:25:18 Speaker_10
I just got in a golf course property down in Florida and we sold our beach house and then we're kind of migrating to this place and I fly down to the tour of the property and I'm like, dude, What are y'all doing with all these Sand Hill cranes?"

01:25:33 Speaker_10
And they're like, what do you mean? This is like a golf course guy. And I said, dude, that's the rib eye of the sky, bro. He's like, he looked it up and you can't shoot Sand Hill cranes in Florida. What? Somebody call the governor. Everywhere. Really?

01:25:48 Speaker_10
Everywhere on this property.

01:25:50 Speaker_07
You can't shoot Sand Hill cranes in Florida, but you can shoot alligators?

01:25:55 Speaker_10
Unless they're lying to me because they're scared I'm gonna go like, I'm gonna like, you know, have a psychotic episode and go running out through the golf course with the guns.

01:26:04 Speaker_07
Maybe it's just the area where you're at.

01:26:06 Speaker_10
You couldn't choose. They may be protected in certain counties, but you know, even in Tennessee, far to say they're protected under the federal... They're protected under Federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act.

01:26:16 Speaker_07
Look at that shit. Wow. State rule, blah, blah, blah. Intentional feeding of sandhill cranes is prohibited. So you can't hunt them?

01:26:25 Speaker_10
Well, they're protected. Well, in Tennessee, there's a couple guys that guide them. And I think it's a draw tag. You can put in to draw a sandhill crane tag. And then, man, they make a very distinct. Something like that.

01:26:46 Speaker_10
And dude, you can hear them and I'll hear them coming over my farm. And God, if that's the wrong noise I just made, I'm going to get... Sounds good. I'm going... You got it? Whoa. I love this guy. I need me one of... That's him. Wow.

01:27:08 Speaker_10
Now that's a... Look at all of them. Yeah, that's... You hear that?

01:27:11 Speaker_07
Yeah. What a fucking cool animal. They sound like something from Avatar. See those beaks? Yeah.

01:27:21 Speaker_10
Those are Labrador Retriever Blinders right there.

01:27:25 Speaker_07
How do you fasten the goggles on a dog?

01:27:28 Speaker_10
Man, oh God, here he goes. Oh my gosh, this is like the grill. Sandhill crane goggles for labs. This is gonna be great.

01:27:40 Speaker_07
How does it secure on? I'm thinking about a dog's face.

01:27:44 Speaker_10
I guess you've seen those dogs in those sidecars on the motorcycles, probably that rig.

01:27:55 Speaker_07
I don't think that's the same.

01:27:57 Speaker_10
Yeah, that's like an aspen. That's two dogs being silly. Yeah, so in Tennessee you can hire a guy and he'll take you and they'll kind of get them coming in an area and I think you get it.

01:28:11 Speaker_07
Oh, there it goes. Oh wow, that's crazy.

01:28:15 Speaker_10
Now those look like, I think those are snow geese. Snow geese are probably the same.

01:28:19 Speaker_07
Look at their goggles all scratched up too.

01:28:23 Speaker_10
No, those are, yeah, those are sandhills.

01:28:25 Speaker_07
Wow, that's crazy. Dogs need to have their eyes protected.

01:28:29 Speaker_10
Yeah, so when you, when you get, yeah, well, you've got your golden, but man, if you get you alive and, oh man, beware of that, because you will get hooked. Oh, I'm sure I would be.

01:28:41 Speaker_07
Also, I love duck. Duck's delicious.

01:28:43 Speaker_10
Oh, on the grill, marinated in a, marinated properly for, a day or two playing on it.

01:28:49 Speaker_07
That's what Jesse does. That's the difference. You gotta plan on it. That's what does the diver duck. I'm telling you, this diver duck was sensational.

01:28:56 Speaker_10
And that's what you gotta watch in all wild game is, man, plan it. Preparation. Get it marinated, and man, you just can't beat it.

01:29:05 Speaker_07
Yeah, you gotta know what you're cooking, how to cook it, especially if you're cooking something that has low body fat, you gotta make sure you cook it nice and slow. That's one of the great things about things like a Traeger.

01:29:17 Speaker_07
You can just set it for $2.65, leave it. The new one's fantastic, too. Everything comes out so smoky and delicious. Man, my dad, 4th of July.

01:29:30 Speaker_10
He was, I think he was drunk and hated us on 4th of July because he stayed up smoking the Boston butt every night.

01:29:36 Speaker_10
You know, I remember my dad, man, he, he'd had that old charbroil out there and he'd get up with his vinegar and all this shit and he would wake up all night, night before the 4th and smoke them butts, man.

01:29:48 Speaker_10
And now you just walk out, put that thing on 220 at about 8pm, wake up at, wake up at 8am and

01:29:55 Speaker_07
The app tells you if you're low on pellets. I know. It's like, what are we doing here? It's crazy. It's so much easier. There's something that men are attracted to, like cooking over wood, though. Like an actual fire charcoal.

01:30:06 Speaker_10
Well, we're in the heart of it in Texas, you know, right here. I mean, these guys take a damn You know, they glue four propane tanks together and have a smokestack. And the guy that, what's our guy that does our charity event?

01:30:22 Speaker_10
Oh my God, I can't believe, I'll come up with him. Mark, text me. Meat Church. Have you met the Meat Church dude?

01:30:30 Speaker_07
Oh yeah, I've met that dude, yeah.

01:30:31 Speaker_10
Yeah, yeah, he comes and... He's got some awesome rubs. He's got all that, but then what's funny is, yeah, he pulled up to our charity event with his big smoker, and man, I'm like, this is like Elon Musk-style engineering on this thing.

01:30:46 Speaker_10
It's pretty, you know, and man, you know, they get out there and... Yeah, they'll look at me and you doing Traegers, and we're, that's about like us, that's our version of having a tutu on.

01:30:57 Speaker_07
It is funny, because people want to do it all themselves. The offset smokers. Like, have you ever gone to Terry Black's here? See the lines of the offset smokers? Terry Black's is the number one barbecue place in the country, probably in the world.

01:31:10 Speaker_07
They cook more volume of barbecue than anywhere else on the country. And they have just line after line of these giant propane tank smokers. And they're just churning it out.

01:31:20 Speaker_10
With briskets and beef ribs and spare ribs. See, what up? When I moved to Nashville, being a South Georgia boy, I'd never even heard of brisket. Really? We only knew pork barbecue.

01:31:34 Speaker_10
So when I moved to Nashville and then there's some dude there with a Texas brisket restaurant in Nashville, I'm like, what are they talking about brisket? And this was 2001 I moved to Nashville. This is how insulated you could be in your own

01:31:50 Speaker_10
You know, as we talk about the ways of the world changing, I mean, it's like, dude, I lived in a section and everybody, North Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, they didn't, brisket was like.

01:32:01 Speaker_07
I think brisket was originally a German thing. I think it's like with the sausages, like there was cuts of the meat. Well, the smoker thing came certainly from German immigrants that came to Texas. That's where the origin of the barbecue out here is.

01:32:16 Speaker_07
And then the brisket was like cuts that nobody else wanted. So they figured out a way to take these cuts that nobody else wanted and turn them into something delicious. They just had to do it over time, and now it's like a preferred cut.

01:32:30 Speaker_07
If you go to Terry Black's, the brisket's sensational.

01:32:33 Speaker_10
They're probably cooking the preferred cuts of like, which cut of the brisket would you like, not the old. flank meat down there, you know, probably you can probably get the ribeye and all that.

01:32:44 Speaker_07
I think it's all just how long you cook it for. How you do it, what temperature, and they wrap it, and they unwrap it, and they spray it, like they have it down to a science.

01:32:53 Speaker_07
And then at the end, it's like, the key is you want to be able to fold it over your finger and not have it break apart. Just get it to just where it folds over.

01:33:01 Speaker_10
See, our deal was just always smoke a big pig, you know, smoke a pig, you know, You know, not the one as big as this table, but you know, about that long. A hundred pounder. Yeah.

01:33:13 Speaker_10
And woke up there on the family reunion and all the women were grossed out because, you know, you're just pulling the big pig, you know, the big, you know, you can pull that meat off a pig. It's like that. God, we're getting hungry, Joe.

01:33:26 Speaker_07
I know. That's the good thing about wild pigs, too. They're always available to hunt.

01:33:33 Speaker_07
Like, one of the great things about Texas, it's not good if you're on a ranch or if you have a farm, but if you're a person who wants to hunt, you can hunt wild pigs 365 days a year and always have sausage.

01:33:43 Speaker_10
Our place and me and my best friend, we've got like a quail hunting place down in the heart of South Georgia. Tons of swamps. Dude, we were

01:33:55 Speaker_10
which you know all the math, and I'm sure you've brought it up on how many sow pigs, they'll kick off 30 pigs a year, annually. And then we would have them roll through our front yard, $30,000 damage a night.

01:34:14 Speaker_10
And for anybody out there listening, if you have this going on, we mounted lights in all the trees around our whole lodge. and you flip them lights on, and we haven't had one wild hog root up our yard since. They will not come around those lights.

01:34:33 Speaker_10
It's a great tactic.

01:34:35 Speaker_07
That's interesting.

01:34:36 Speaker_10
Yeah, and when somebody told him, you know, some good old boy told him, and he was like, man, we'll try anything, because you would walk out there, and it looked like 300 landmines went off. And the night before, our yard looked like Augusta.

01:34:52 Speaker_07
Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it?

01:34:53 Speaker_10
I mean, they're bad little dudes now.

01:34:56 Speaker_07
They do a lot of damage. I mean, in Texas alone, it's millions and millions of dollars of damage to crops every year. They shoot them out of helicopters here. You ever seen it? You ever done any of that? Have you?

01:35:06 Speaker_10
It is...

01:35:11 Speaker_07
Man, it is. It's the most unfair type of hunting that's ever existed.

01:35:17 Speaker_10
Forget about high fence. I don't know. My children. I took my boys. And somewhere there's a, I hope he doesn't hear it, but there's a Navy SEAL Marine recruiter, because my sons are ready for warfare after doing that.

01:35:35 Speaker_10
But the guy that we took, he's got a big, beautiful high fence. And if you fly around a man, he has to thin them out every year. Yeah, you have to. But it's so fun doing it out of a helicopter.

01:35:47 Speaker_10
You don't want to thin them all out, because you keep wanting to do it a little bit. But, uh, it's a- you hadn't done that yet?

01:35:54 Speaker_07
No. No. I'm still- I just mostly bow hunt them.

01:36:01 Speaker_10
Well, you know, the, uh- Our pig stuff in Georgia, man, it's fun because you can go on a deer hunt, you can shoot some deer with a bow, and then we'll take a rifle and late in the evening the hogs will come out.

01:36:15 Speaker_07
I know a lot of guys shoot them at nighttime too.

01:36:20 Speaker_10
Yeah, yeah, and then we have guys with the big, you know, with the big, you know, trap doors that trap them and stuff like that. So, I mean, they're probably the number one you know, wildlife.

01:36:35 Speaker_10
I never will forget, you know, right when like maybe iPhones come out and you get your iPhone news updates and then I never even knew what the magazine like The New Yorker was or like The Guardian and all those things.

01:36:46 Speaker_10
Well, The New Yorker, I'm scrolling through and I see feral pigs and it was this huge article done by a guy, maybe the editor of The New Yorker. Man, he did a great job with that article and just went through

01:37:00 Speaker_10
And this was 15 years ago I read that article about the feral hog problems. You would think, I don't know, I would think the New Yorker leans quite left, but the fact that this guy wrote the article from a perspective of huge problem

01:37:21 Speaker_10
need to be dealt with was a pretty badass take on it.

01:37:26 Speaker_07
Well, once people see the sheer numbers, they're so overwhelming that you go, wait a minute, how How are you going to stop this? How are you going to stop it from multiplying continually every year? Well, you're not. You're not.

01:37:39 Speaker_07
There's places that you're not going to get to them. There's too many of them.

01:37:41 Speaker_10
Well, in Georgia and these swampy deals, you can't helicopter them there. So that's when you get these old boys with their dogs, and they run off in the... That'll help, but even then... So Joe, here's another thing. You think about this.

01:37:58 Speaker_10
So when I start my high fence, the year that I started it, Our turkey population in Tennessee, which it's been going through hell, and you'll hear this, the turkey population in Tennessee was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.

01:38:18 Speaker_10
I mean, eastern turkey hunting, one of the most beautiful things in the wildlife that the state of Tennessee has.

01:38:26 Speaker_10
My turkey population was like is amazing and still is but we hired a guy and he put a hundred and ten traps out a hundred and ten and night one had a hundred over a hundred varmints coons Possums armadillos in the traps night one.

01:38:46 Speaker_07
So they're just killing all the turkeys.

01:38:47 Speaker_10
They eat the eggs. Yeah, you know, they're You know a turkey lays twelve to 14 eggs. Now listen, I found this out this year. This is going, I hope, if I can get a couple nuggets that you hadn't learned yet, that's kind of the goal for the day.

01:39:04 Speaker_10
So, a turkey does not lay their eggs all at the same time.

01:39:09 Speaker_09
Really?

01:39:10 Speaker_10
They lay their eggs one day at a time. They will, they lay it next to a water source. They go to the water source, hold the water in their mouth, drip the water on the eggs periodically, using the water to hatch them at the same time.

01:39:30 Speaker_10
Because a hen turkey, if she had to hatch, all the eggs hatch at the same time. But if she had to hatch them for 12 days, she could never keep them corralled properly. So she manipulates with water.

01:39:49 Speaker_10
And if I'm wrong, now this is a biologist that told me this, I heard this this year, totally blew my mind. So in the nest, and I've walked up on them, they got 12 or 13 of them sitting there beautifully.

01:40:01 Speaker_10
And whatever that hen does, she manages those eggs to hatch at the same time. And maybe, now like a tortoise, I guess, or a beach turtle or whatever, I think they, They sped them all out that night, but a hen turkey does not.

01:40:19 Speaker_10
Well, so one armadillo rolls by that nest.

01:40:22 Speaker_09
And that's a wrap.

01:40:23 Speaker_10
That's a wrap. She just lost them all. And so there was a big study that went on in Tennessee about the decline of the turkey population.

01:40:34 Speaker_07
So what do they do about that?

01:40:36 Speaker_10
Well, first of all, trapping now is so rare. The art of trapping has gone down quite a bit. Oh, and I'm not even bringing up coyotes in Tennessee.

01:40:53 Speaker_10
So yeah, if you can, if they can loosen up, Tennessee can loosen up their trapping laws and make it more available.

01:40:59 Speaker_10
And, and you just got to thin out those, uh, you know, armadillos in Tennessee, you would never, um, man, we woke up and we can ride around and shoot 30 a night.

01:41:13 Speaker_07
Really?

01:41:13 Speaker_10
Armadillos, 30.

01:41:14 Speaker_07
Don't they carry like crazy plague diseases?

01:41:18 Speaker_10
Man, I wouldn't recommend touching them, you know. They say they do, but that's... Do people eat them? I'd never heard of that, but you probably can find some out there. They definitely eat raccoons.

01:41:30 Speaker_10
They definitely eat raccoons and definitely, I don't know about possums, but if you're eating a possum, you're ass is hungry.

01:41:38 Speaker_06
You're very hungry.

01:41:39 Speaker_10
But raccoons, I mean, yeah, in Georgia where we grew up, Had several old-timers, man. They'd get them a coon, and it was always a kind of a party deal.

01:41:50 Speaker_07
What does raccoon taste like?

01:41:51 Speaker_10
I never had. I never. Well, we got an old buddy down there. He's like, you know what bald eagle tastes like? Owl. So I guess you could say raccoon. You know, I had a buddy of mine tell a game warden that joke. It didn't go over well.

01:42:07 Speaker_10
There's a lot of shit that people eat that people would go, what? Yeah. I mean, when you're talking about I saw somebody do the pig deal with a full gator.

01:42:18 Speaker_07
Oh, I've seen that before.

01:42:19 Speaker_10
And I hadn't done that. I've had gator tail, but I hadn't had that.

01:42:21 Speaker_07
Yeah, they'll take a giant smoker and put a gator in there.

01:42:23 Speaker_10
Put the whole thing on there. Yeah. And they skin it and all that.

01:42:27 Speaker_07
Put an apple in its mouth.

01:42:28 Speaker_10
Yeah. You know what's crazy in Georgia? There's a place, rural. So all the chicken farms down there, huge chicken farms, all of them. Well, what do you do with the chicken carcasses? Well, I mean, there's a lot.

01:42:42 Speaker_10
They used to grind them up and feed them back to the chickens. But some of them, well, they feed them to gator farms.

01:42:49 Speaker_10
put them in a put them in a limb a limb shredder oh wow now you talk about the most foul smell on the planet go into a gator farm warehouse Joe buddy just rot nothing can replicate.

01:43:10 Speaker_10
Maybe the Sir Strahmann challenge can replicate, you know, the whole Sir Strahmann joke thing. What's that? You've seen where the guys pop the lid on the Swedish fish? No. Oh, Joe! Sir Strahmann? What is it? Oh, we did it at our deer camp.

01:43:30 Speaker_10
It's like an aged Swedish fish that's rotten in a can. It's aged? For years, like a sardine. And so, yeah, the Sir Strauman challenge.

01:43:40 Speaker_02
Look at this guy's face.

01:43:44 Speaker_07
Dude, we popped that thing. So people fish with them? They use it for bait, like for catfish or something? Look, people eat that. Oh, foul.

01:43:53 Speaker_10
And if you can stay in the room with it, Have you tried it? No, I was outside, 15 yards from it, throwing up in the flowerbed.

01:44:04 Speaker_07
Alright, we gotta order some, Jamie. Order some. I'm glad I didn't get you... Might eat it on Fight Companion. Well, Denver's on the verge of passing a no-fur law.

01:44:16 Speaker_07
So if Denver passes a no-fur law, what are they going to do about cowboy hats that have beaver skin lining? And then if you're gonna say no fur, how are you gonna say no fur but you're allowing leather?

01:44:29 Speaker_07
So skin is okay as long as you take the furry part off? Is the furry part what's offensive? You know what you'd fucking, the chaos that would ensue if you outlawed leather? Everybody's belt is illegal. Everybody's shoes are illegal.

01:44:45 Speaker_07
Air Jordans are illegal. And they're calling it illegal. Illegal. Yeah, they're trying to pass a law. They're trying to pass a law where they ban fur.

01:44:52 Speaker_10
Sorry.

01:44:53 Speaker_07
They've done it before. I mean, they've done it in other places. But where does it, like I said, where does it... Joe, I'm out with America. It just keeps going. That's the problem. When I'm an American idol... It never fucking ends.

01:45:03 Speaker_10
When I'm an American... No, it never ends.

01:45:05 Speaker_07
It's never gonna end. They're gonna keep pushing. It'll get to you can't eat meat. It'll get to it has to be lab-grown meat.

01:45:11 Speaker_07
It'll get to, it could get as crazy as you could ever imagine there's animal rights people that would like to push it in that direction. And you would have never thought that this would be possible.

01:45:20 Speaker_07
But you would have never thought that you would have biological males competing against females in high school sports. And that's everywhere. And if you complain against that, you're a bigot. You're seeing the craziest of crazy thinking.

01:45:33 Speaker_07
There's people that think the pedophiles are minor attracted persons. And they'll talk about this as university professors teaching classes. It's been recorded. People have seen it.

01:45:44 Speaker_07
It's not everywhere, but it's enough where you go, I see where this goes if it keeps going, because none of this shit existed 20 years ago. If you go back to 2004, there was none of this shit. Nothing.

01:45:55 Speaker_07
A transgender person was a rare person with gender dysphoria. It was very rare. And there wasn't a lot of hatred towards those people. It wasn't a thing that people worried about. Now there is, because everybody's like, what the fuck?

01:46:05 Speaker_07
Why is this in schools? Why are you having them? There was a recent pool tournament where it was a women's pool tournament, and in the semifinals, it's two trans women competing against each other.

01:46:17 Speaker_07
Two men, two biological men that wear lipstick competing against each other in a women's tournament. It's fucking crazy. So I would have never thought that would be possible. So it can get to a point where there's no meat.

01:46:29 Speaker_07
It can get to the point where meat, there's this demonization of meat. You keep hearing about it all the time. Meat is the number one source of carbon. It's fucking complete total horse shit. It's not even number two. It's not number three.

01:46:41 Speaker_07
It's not even fucking close.

01:46:43 Speaker_10
Cow farts.

01:46:43 Speaker_07
Yeah. It's the dumbest shit ever. And by the way, All of that is factory farming. Regenerative farming is actually carbon neutral. If they don't sequester carbon, it's actually good for carbon.

01:46:55 Speaker_07
There's a whole reason why there's a balanced ecosystem of cows eating grass and the grass fermenting in their stomach and then creating manure and that regenerates. It's carbon neutral.

01:47:09 Speaker_07
It's actually good for the environment and everything feeds off everything. There's a system that nature has evolved for millions of years. That's the normal way it's supposed to be done. And, you know, we're just living in a crazy time.

01:47:22 Speaker_10
Yeah, when you think of Denver and Colorado and the outdoors, man, you've got to appreciate everybody's opinion of, you know, it's a so old term, the granolaist, but it ain't granola no more.

01:47:40 Speaker_07
They get a lot further than granola. Granola used to be normal until they... See, the thing is, those people were weird and rare, and they were tolerated.

01:47:49 Speaker_07
But then they got online, and say if there's only 10 of them in this town, five of them in that town, well, now there's hundreds of thousands of them collectively in the country, all as a group. And then they think that they're activists.

01:48:01 Speaker_07
So they think that they're doing something good. So then they start saying things like, no fur in Colorado, pass this bill. And he starts saying, no meat, no more meat, no one should have meat. What are you going to do with these cows?

01:48:13 Speaker_07
What are you going to do? Are you going to go around castrating all those bulls? What are you going to do? How are you going to control the populations? Are you going to let them go extinct? Are you going to castrate all the bulls?

01:48:21 Speaker_07
Are you going to let some of them breed? How are you going to make this distinction? Are you going to bring in wolves to handle them? What are you going to do? What the fuck are you going to do?

01:48:28 Speaker_07
What are you going to do with all those people that work at the butcher shop? What are you going to do with all those people that work at the meat processing plant?

01:48:33 Speaker_07
What are you going to do with all those people that have been transporting meat back and forth? What are you going to do with all those jobs, all those families, all their income, all their businesses that they've had for a hundred fucking years?

01:48:43 Speaker_07
What are you going to do with that? These people have the most minimal understanding of the system that they're trying to influence. They don't know what the fuck they're doing by releasing wolves. They think, wolves are beautiful, yay!

01:48:56 Speaker_07
You see the governor, he's releasing the wolves, he's like, yay! He's like so happy.

01:49:01 Speaker_10
Yeah, they're going to be saying yay when they're down. I don't know, dude.

01:49:07 Speaker_07
The dog's getting eaten.

01:49:09 Speaker_10
Dog, everything. Dude, let me tell you something.

01:49:11 Speaker_07
Not only that, they brought in wolves that had a history of killing cattle. The wolves they brought into Colorado.

01:49:17 Speaker_10
It's no different than the grizzly focusing on humans. Man, I live just south of Nashville. We've got 180 acres. I've got neighborhoods all around us, man. About every now and then, email goes out. Little Fluffy's gone. Coyotes?

01:49:36 Speaker_10
We put six coyote traps out on my farm one night. Six for six.

01:49:44 Speaker_08
Wow.

01:49:45 Speaker_10
And let me tell you what else is a little vicious son of a bitch. A fucking otter. Oh yeah. Otters will fuck you up. Let me tell you, buddy, those things are, I mean, Joe, I'm so like, I mean, like I said, my brain is bass fishing and all this stuff.

01:50:08 Speaker_10
Man, we'll have otters come up into my bass pond. And fuck those bass up. I'm talking about they're fucking gone, the fish, in three nights. The fish are gone. And the otters, eat one and play with the other ones that they kill. Wow.

01:50:29 Speaker_10
And like you go by my lake, like I have an all-female bass lake at my house, which you're gonna, this is a whole nother fun deal. They will roll through there and eat my all females and just throw them up on the bank. There's carcasses.

01:50:46 Speaker_07
How many?

01:50:48 Speaker_10
Oh, you get four otters in your pond on a 17 acre lake. They'll eat 20 bass a night. The problem is you don't know you've been got until it's too late. So Joe, to grow a 10 pound bass is about $3,000.

01:51:14 Speaker_10
And think about it, I've been loving on these damn fish. I've been walking out there, making sure they're happy so we can all catch them, and yeah, look at them damn otters.

01:51:24 Speaker_10
So if you have an overflow, a spillway on your farm, and it runs through your farm and dumps into a major river body of water, and that otter swims by that water, dumping in that river,

01:51:36 Speaker_10
He is up that river, he's up that spillway into your lake, and he has got you. Wow. And we'll put traps out, dude. And man, they just keep coming. Wow. Keep coming. And I'm talking about otter pelts. I mean, like the prettiest thing you've ever seen.

01:51:57 Speaker_07
So do you turn them into coats or anything?

01:51:59 Speaker_10
I mean, we've got enough where, you know, we can, we've got them skinned out in freezers and rolled up in our freezers.

01:52:05 Speaker_10
And my farm guys, I mean, I think they're, but you know, the sad part is there, the market for that should be an amazing market, but I don't, I don't, I think, cause everybody's scared to say they got a damn otter pelt.

01:52:18 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:52:19 Speaker_10
You know, but.

01:52:19 Speaker_07
Yeah. Fur, fur's got a bad name. If it's got hair on it, leather's fine. None of it's fine. But leather's fine with people. No one has a problem with you wearing cowboy boots. Nobody gets mad. Yeah, see?

01:52:32 Speaker_06
Leather.

01:52:33 Speaker_07
Nobody gets mad at leather. All that is is fur with no fucking hair on it. It's the same thing.

01:52:39 Speaker_10
It's weird. But damn otters, man, them little rascals, you know, they... I'm building a lake at my place in Georgia, and it's right on the Flint River.

01:52:49 Speaker_07
You're running wildlife management. I love it, man.

01:52:51 Speaker_10
It's so fun. It's so damn fun. It's four hours of my day.

01:52:58 Speaker_07
And it also cleanses your mind, right? Totally. Just like hunting.

01:53:01 Speaker_10
It's totally. And it is not for myself. My enjoyment is to watch My children's friends come enjoy it, too.

01:53:17 Speaker_10
My sons will bring a buddy home from school, and next thing you know, Tate and his 13-year-old buddy are shooting bows in the front yard all weekend, and this kid, who doesn't have a dad that hunts, or has the ability, next thing you know.

01:53:33 Speaker_10
I got one kid, my tate's buddy James, his eighth consecutive weekend at my house, hunting. Just loving life, shooting bow and arrows.

01:53:46 Speaker_07
Did you show him how to shoot correctly?

01:53:48 Speaker_10
Got him dialed in, he shot his first doe this weekend. Nice. Just so fun. When you meet these guys that don't let anybody else enjoy it, I don't like those guys either. I love to enjoy it with people. The bass fishing thing is a blast.

01:54:06 Speaker_10
My lake in Georgia is going to be about 35 acres, and I think we'll do an all-female lake down there.

01:54:12 Speaker_07
Why all female? That way they can't breed.

01:54:15 Speaker_10
Your females are your trophy bass.

01:54:17 Speaker_07
Right, the big fat ones.

01:54:18 Speaker_10
The big fat ones.

01:54:19 Speaker_07
But don't they have to get pregnant to be really big and fat?

01:54:22 Speaker_10
You put them in and they don't have to be pregnant. They just have to have the big eggs and when they lay them they just have to have a male not fertilize them. That's right, of course. So if you get a male in there

01:54:38 Speaker_10
then the male, then you have a natural thriving... He'll eat the babies too though, right? A male bass will forage on themselves. But male bass, now I have three lakes that are naturally

01:54:53 Speaker_10
their own ecosystem, where we have to, you know, I've got an 82-acre bass lake that we have to catch 3,500 pounds of bass a year just to keep them from not choking themselves out. Really? Oh yeah, it's 3,500 pounds.

01:55:11 Speaker_07
So what do you do? Just call your friends?

01:55:13 Speaker_10
Dude, we have bass roundups and we get out there and we catch them and we'll load up coolers and take them into the little towns and give them to people and I mean it becomes a problem.

01:55:24 Speaker_07
It's a weird thing with largemouth bass too because a lot of people don't eat them and yet they're delicious. They're good. They're great. They're great. They're basically the same as bluegills.

01:55:32 Speaker_10
Well, bluegills You know, all the bluegills at my lake, we feed them pellet food so they'll get big, so the bass will eat them, so the bass will get big. And you don't want to go eat a bluegill that's been parked under a pellet.

01:55:52 Speaker_10
a little wild bluegill stream or a little natural creek where I grew up in Georgia, like shell crackers and bluegill that eat like a cricket or that are eating live stuff, you filet one of them real small creek or river bluegills. Fry them up.

01:56:08 Speaker_10
Oh, nothing better in the world. Yeah. And bass is similar to that. Oh, bass. It's a nice flaky white meat. Flaky white meat, get you a three or four pound bass, fillet it like a red snapper.

01:56:19 Speaker_07
But people like catching them so much, they want you to release them.

01:56:22 Speaker_10
We spent our whole life, my dad would catch bass, we would fillet them, he'd put them in a Pyrex dish, saute them, bake them, and then broil them on top, and we'd eat large mouth bass, you know.

01:56:39 Speaker_10
You could either have salmon croquettes that stink up the whole house, you know, or you knew your mama was cooking them, or you can have fresh bass, you know, so we grew up.

01:56:48 Speaker_10
But isn't it a weird animal, or weird fish rather, that a lot of people don't eat but it's good to eat?

01:56:52 Speaker_10
Well, you know, you wouldn't want, you wouldn't want your, you wouldn't want everybody fishing your big reservoirs, like Texas is the best big bass lake reservoir state in the country.

01:57:04 Speaker_10
You wouldn't want everybody out there keeping them, you know, you want to practice You want to practice catch and release on your big public reservoirs.

01:57:13 Speaker_10
But you know, when you've got a private impoundment where, you know, you want to keep your bass, because your bass, you'll wake up. Let's just say you've got a nice brand new bass lake you built, 10 acres. You stock it.

01:57:29 Speaker_10
You spend 50 grand to put your bluegill, all your fish in there. Well, then you just don't ever catch them. Well, then in five years, you've lost it. You have to manage it. Yeah, you're done. Your lake's done.

01:57:43 Speaker_10
Your three-pound bass didn't have enough fish to get to four pounds, and then he missed a year of growing, or she missed a year of growing. And then you just put a $50,000 investment in your bass lake, and then you're out.

01:57:59 Speaker_10
You might as well drain it, start over.

01:58:01 Speaker_07
You know what I'd really like to do? Get a place in the north and have a lake with pike in it. I think they might be my favorite thing to catch because they're so ruthless. That's such a ruthless fish. Animal. Fucking dinosaur. A killer.

01:58:14 Speaker_07
They look like dinosaurs. First time I caught a pike, I'm like, why isn't this like the most exciting thing to catch? They fight hard. Or a muskie. Jesus.

01:58:24 Speaker_10
I've never caught one of those. Me either.

01:58:27 Speaker_07
That's the official 10,000 casts.

01:58:29 Speaker_10
Yeah, see, I'm not that dude. Now, I'll wait and hunt. You know, I'm not a... Like, I don't have to have the biggest, best animal my whole life. Like, I don't... You know, some people, they're like... They get into numbers. They're size queens. Or score.

01:58:46 Speaker_10
I'm not that guy. I'm an experienced. Let's have fun. Let's see a lot of animals. Let's catch a lot of fish. Let's keep a lot of action. Let's keep the kids engaged.

01:58:59 Speaker_10
When my boys were four and five, you don't want to take them out there on their first three bass fishing trips, and you burn them in the hot sun and they catch one fish. You want them engaged and get them going.

01:59:17 Speaker_10
Pike and all that, that northwest steelheading. Catching one, man, I don't, that's just, I hadn't done that. I can't do that.

01:59:25 Speaker_07
That's a release fish too, right?

01:59:27 Speaker_10
Oh, those are, those are the, yeah, those are high on the list of, especially like, uh, sea run steelheads.

01:59:36 Speaker_10
You know, you have, you have some that are kind of locked in, you know, locked in the reservoir locked, but you get those, those big sea run steelheads and they, they really hold them and they should hold them in high regard. You, you shouldn't,

01:59:49 Speaker_10
You need to leave those alone and let them come and go.

01:59:53 Speaker_07
Yeah, but then why are you catching them? You know what I'm saying? Why are you fucking with those fish?

02:00:01 Speaker_09
It's a little bit of that.

02:00:02 Speaker_07
I get it. It's fun. I'm not opposed to it. I get it. But if I catch fish, I like to eat them. That's the whole reason why I'm catching fish. You know what? That's why I like to catch walleye.

02:00:14 Speaker_10
I would still say you're in the majority. Yeah. I think that's how it should be.

02:00:19 Speaker_07
I mean, imagine if you just run around shooting deer with tranquilizer darts. Like, I got them. A little weird. A little weird. Yeah, I've seen some. Just to prove that you did it?

02:00:29 Speaker_10
Yeah, you know, and then they make bumper tips on bows. You can doink deer in the ass and run them off. And they're like, why are you doinking a deer in the ass, you know?

02:00:40 Speaker_07
It's a little weird. It's like they make those club heads so you could shoot squirrels and birds.

02:00:46 Speaker_10
Yeah. Well, you know, man, listen, dude, I grew up, you know, my little town of Leesburg, man. I mean, every year I got a pellet gun for Christmas and I got a I got a full

02:01:00 Speaker_10
camo onesie or a coverall, and dude, I'd put my new pair of Chippewa hunting boots, I'd put my new set of coveralls on with the camo pattern, I'd hit the neighborhood walking around with a pellet gun shooting the neighbor's squirrels.

02:01:19 Speaker_10
And, you know, we'd eat them every now and then. This little old lady, Mabel Coxwell, we'd skin them and she'd fry them with some wild rice. It tastes good. If you cook a squirrel and do it right, man, it ain't nothing wrong with a squirrel.

02:01:33 Speaker_10
Isn't that crazy that most people don't know that?

02:01:35 Speaker_07
Squirrels are delicious. Squirrel hunting is very popular in parts of the South. Squirrel dumplings.

02:01:42 Speaker_10
Instead of chicken and dumplings, squirrel dumplings. You know, you get a squirrel and clean it right and brine it for the night and cook it with dumplings and put some onions and celery and all that and you're off to the races.

02:01:56 Speaker_07
People think of them, they have like fluffy tail privilege. Rats with tails. Because you see a rat, rats have those slimy tails and people are like, that's disgusting. And they see that fluffy tail like, aw, so cute. Not much different. You know?

02:02:12 Speaker_10
Well, the fact that, you know, the fact that, yeah, I could run rampant with a eight year, nine years old through the neighborhood riding my Honda 50 motorcycle, you know, through people's backyards, you know, chasing squirrels and everybody's like, thank you.

02:02:29 Speaker_10
That damn thing's been in my attic chewing up my, my pink Panther insulation for, uh,

02:02:35 Speaker_07
That's rural life, right? Well, that's people that understand what's going on. That's the difference between if you did that in a neighborhood in Manhattan, people are like, what the fuck is this guy doing? We need these squirrels.

02:02:48 Speaker_07
If they caught you in Central Park with a pellet gun, you'd go to jail. first round ticket.

02:02:54 Speaker_10
Do not pass go, do not collect.

02:02:57 Speaker_07
If you break into a store and rob it, nothing will happen to you. They'll let you right out. But if you get caught in Central Park shooting squirrels and eating them, you're gonna get in real trouble. It's wild. We live in a wild world.

02:03:09 Speaker_07
It's a very strange, distorted version of what human beings have been experiencing for most of history.

02:03:18 Speaker_10
I mean, nothing is wrong with hunting a little bit.

02:03:21 Speaker_07
Especially when 95% of the world eats meat. It's a stupid argument.

02:03:26 Speaker_10
Well, and I think, you know, I think it's all trendy, too.

02:03:28 Speaker_10
I think the beauty is now the education of, you know, I mean, you look at, you know, you look at the how great, you know, carnivore diets are being, you know, I've never done like a big old carnivore. Have you ever done a big carnivore? Oh, yeah.

02:03:43 Speaker_07
Yeah.

02:03:43 Speaker_10
Did it change your life?

02:03:45 Speaker_07
Yeah, that's mostly how I eat great. I eat fruit and meat great 99% I fuck around like my daughter likes to cook cookies I had a big-ass cookie the other day.

02:03:53 Speaker_02
It was awesome.

02:03:55 Speaker_07
I I mean, I'm not ridiculous. Yeah, I'll eat other things I'm not religious about it. But most of my diet like 90% is just meat and Occasionally fruit fruit before I work out fruit sometimes after I work out, but mostly it's just meat. I

02:04:10 Speaker_10
Well, you know, like I said, the best thing about what you do here is you give everybody their platform to talk about their their way. Yeah. And, you know, your platform is enlightening.

02:04:23 Speaker_10
I mean, you know, dude, I've never you know, I was around some dude that was talking about, you know, micro dosing mushrooms and all that. I never saw a drug. I never saw a drug. Until I was 30.

02:04:41 Speaker_07
Did you see Moonshine?

02:04:44 Speaker_10
Saw Moonshine a lot.

02:04:45 Speaker_07
That's a drug. That is a fucking drug. Well, you're right.

02:04:49 Speaker_10
I mean, you drink a half jar of mason, you know.

02:04:52 Speaker_07
Oh yeah, you're gonna die. That's the crazy thing about alcohol. It gets the mass. We are having nicotine right now. This is a drug. And when I have these... It's a nice cigar, by the way. It's perfect. It's very good, very mild.

02:05:06 Speaker_10
And man, I was 39 years old before I did any tobacco. Really? Never dipped. My dad kept Levi Garrett, Taylor's Pride. The only time he wasn't chewing meant he had a life insurance policy.

02:05:22 Speaker_10
He had to get blood work and didn't want to fail his life insurance policy.

02:05:27 Speaker_10
But I was 39, my mom, you know, my mom's a character, she, you know, but never did tobacco, never dipped, I put one dip in one time and threw up outside my high school, this old boy threw me a dip in, and dude, big old Kodiak, and I threw up outside the high school gymnasium and missed my,

02:05:49 Speaker_10
5th and 6th period, and I was like, dude, I don't need that.

02:05:51 Speaker_07
You remember those bricks? Those squares of chewing tobacco you bite a chunk off?

02:05:55 Speaker_10
Oh, yeah. What I was getting at is I was sitting, we were celebrating an album release. I was 39 years old, one of my best buddies. brought a nice Davidoff Churchill cigar.

02:06:11 Speaker_10
And any cigar I'd ever done, now I had smoked a cigar like in Vegas and most time back then you know I didn't drink a handle a crown and smoke a cigar you wake up the next morning you're like you know your life's over essentially well it's probably the handle a crown.

02:06:28 Speaker_10
Well we smoked that cigar and I sat in my rocking chair and just smoked that cigar and I was like, man, this is kind of like therapy right here.

02:06:38 Speaker_07
All these people smoking cigars aren't stupid. There's got to be something to it. And they're chilled out. It's a nice conversational thing to do.

02:06:46 Speaker_10
They are chilled. They are universally chilled out. But it's a drug.

02:06:51 Speaker_07
It's a drug. We're drinking coffee, that's a drug. The problem is, there's a lot of drugs, and some of them are really fucking bad for you.

02:07:00 Speaker_10
Here's the deal, and I'll call my buddy every now and then, and he was my buddy that bought me the cigar, he was a lifelong Copenhagen and cigarettes here and quitting, and I called him, I'll call him periodically and I'm like,

02:07:16 Speaker_10
You asshole, I'm stopping at a grocery, I'm stopping at a random cigar shop. I've gone four days without a cigar and I'm riding down the road and I determine right now I need one.

02:07:28 Speaker_10
You know, you weave across four lanes of traffic, find a, you know, and then next thing you know you're smoking a grocery store, I mean a gas station cigar to just, but hey, it keeps you, keeps you, keeps the head clean.

02:07:40 Speaker_07
I like them. Like I said, I think it's one of the best things for conversations. And I don't think you need to smoke 12 of them a day, you know? No, I don't think so either, but I know people who do. I know people who just go one to the other.

02:07:51 Speaker_07
They just chain-smoke cigars.

02:07:53 Speaker_10
Now my mother, dude, Salem Ultralight 100s, three packs a day.

02:07:58 Speaker_07
Whoa.

02:08:01 Speaker_10
Four Bud Lights a day her whole life. Four Bud Lights.

02:08:05 Speaker_07
Every day. Is she still with us? She's with us. That's the thing that always gets people. They're like, maybe I should quit. Hold on.

02:08:13 Speaker_10
Well Listen my mom man, dude She Joe She's curved the bit. She's curved the beer a little bit, but she'll drink her a couple of duels She's gonna have her one or two bud lights every day every day. She's gonna three packs my she's but she's like a

02:08:36 Speaker_10
You know, it's like if she's walking into the Dillard's or to the TJ Maxx, she's like, oh my God, I'm walking in. Take a couple of puffs. Take a couple and hit, you know, litter the parking lot. But she'll pan fry a ribeye in butter. Pan fries a ribeye.

02:08:54 Speaker_10
That's probably what's keeping her alive. Pan fries a ribeye, fries some shoestring french fries. And that's her damn meal four to five nights a week for 76 glorious years.

02:09:08 Speaker_07
That's probably why she's healthy.

02:09:10 Speaker_10
And is ready to chew my ass out at any moment.

02:09:15 Speaker_07
And how many cigarettes do you think she's down to a day?

02:09:17 Speaker_10
I hope she's probably at a pack and a half.

02:09:21 Speaker_10
But man, when you do the math, when I used to sit her down and do math, you know, her and my dad were married 32 years and divorced, and so when she went out kind of on her own, I'd sit her down and do the math on four Bud Lights, two and a half packs of Salem's, and four pan-fried rib-eyes.

02:09:38 Speaker_10
It becomes a damn number annually.

02:09:41 Speaker_07
I think the rib-eyes are fine. Leave her alone with the rib-eyes.

02:09:43 Speaker_10
You know what, but through the years, I've gotten Miller Lite endorsements. I would get Miller Lite. I'd be like, Mama, There's a Miller Lite truck pulling up to your house. It's going to deliver you a pallet of Miller Lite.

02:09:57 Speaker_03
Just try.

02:09:59 Speaker_10
Just try to fall in love with Miller Lite. Right. Nope. Nope. Bud Light. I'd get home for, you know, get home two months after the pallet got there. You know, there the pallet sits. I'm calling my buddies.

02:10:11 Speaker_07
Hey, boys. A lot of people had like a personal crisis when there was that Bud Light boycott. There was a lot of people like, I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. When Kid Rock shot that Bud Light.

02:10:25 Speaker_10
And then he kept selling it in his bar.

02:10:29 Speaker_07
We drank some! We drank some on the podcast we did together.

02:10:32 Speaker_10
He let it go after a while. He did. I love him. He's been a damn good buddy of mine and has come to my charity event. He's a wild boy. He's awesome. I love that dude. He's a lot of fun. He's awesome. But when I saw him do that, I was like,

02:10:48 Speaker_07
Oof. Imagine being the CEO of Bud Light and seeing that, like, oh no. Kid Rock just shot our beer. With a fucking automatic. And was like, fuck Anheuser-Busch, like, no!

02:11:04 Speaker_07
And, I mean, that alone probably cost him billions of dollars, just having him do that.

02:11:08 Speaker_10
Yeah, when our beer, when our beer is political, we're like.

02:11:14 Speaker_07
Not just our beer, but Bud Light. Bud Light, the beer that sponsored more boxing matches, more sporting events, more people been drinking Bud Light. I mean, think about all the people who swear by Bud Light.

02:11:27 Speaker_10
Post Malone's always drinking Bud Light. My wife's dad is a Budweiser fucking 12-pack-a-day dude, man. He had to hear a little shit from his buddies about it, but... People getting fights in bars.

02:11:41 Speaker_07
I have a friend who owned a bar. We stopped carrying at the mothership because nobody was buying it. We stopped carrying Bud Light because nobody was buying Bud Light. Have we checked on where it... It's come back. Fully? No, I don't think so.

02:11:56 Speaker_07
I think there's a bunch of holdouts that are always going to go, fuck those liberals, forever. But the lady who came up with the idea is gone. The whole marketing team behind, they're all gone.

02:12:06 Speaker_07
Anheuser-Busch is an American company that has employed American people forever. It's a great company. They just fucked up. They get caught up in the mind virus.

02:12:15 Speaker_10
Anheuser-Busch taught us that beer is wonderful for Christmas, and Clydesdales and Dalmatians are the equivalent of Jesus and Christmas.

02:12:28 Speaker_07
Well, you remember those Bud Light guys? The Real American Genius guys? Remember that? Real American Genius. They had great commercials.

02:12:35 Speaker_10
Dude, I would cry over the Dalmatian Clydesdale commercial. You remember where the little puppy?

02:12:41 Speaker_07
Yeah.

02:12:42 Speaker_10
He's riding on the Clydesdales. Find that, Jimmy.

02:12:45 Speaker_07
Oh, shit. It's like a friggin' Hallmark. You would never think that that company could get taken down. But that just, I think that was good. It was bad for Bud Light, but I think it was good. Here it is. Let's see it. We're going to get all sweet.

02:13:00 Speaker_05
Here we go. Oh, the little puppy.

02:13:04 Speaker_10
Listen to that music.

02:13:06 Speaker_05
Oh, the little puppy got out. Aw, poor puppy's lost.

02:13:20 Speaker_04
This is for beer.

02:13:22 Speaker_05
This is for beer?

02:13:23 Speaker_10
Yeah.

02:13:24 Speaker_05
Poor little puppy.

02:13:26 Speaker_10
Wow, what a commercial. We need to find- Oh god, wolves! They're in Colorado!

02:13:49 Speaker_07
The horses saved the puppy from the wolves. Have a bud. Very effective commercial, you know? Real quick, you're happy.

02:14:02 Speaker_10
Yeah, and then there's the one where it's the Dalmatian, too, that grew up and then got to the old Dalmatian, and the little, you know, they're riding, and the young Dalmatian sees the old Dalmatian, and I think the old Dalmatian kicks the bucket, and then the new Dalmatian takes its place, and then you're like, oh my god, it's the best thing ever.

02:14:23 Speaker_07
Yeah, and that company got taken out. by having a transgender woman on their can. But it just shows you how prevalent this whole mind virus is that it even got into Bud Light, which is just bizarre.

02:14:41 Speaker_07
But the lady who's responsible for it all basically shit on the entire customer base. Saying that they have a fratty sense of humor and we need to update it and make it more inclusive. Do you know what you're saying?

02:14:57 Speaker_07
You're alienating all the people that buy it and love it and counting on people who don't buy it and love it to start buying it and loving it. And maybe that'll work, but you just alienated everybody who buys it and love it.

02:15:11 Speaker_07
It's the dumbest poker move of all time.

02:15:15 Speaker_10
The worst. The dumbest move. Well, you know, when you look at country music too, I mean, with country music, I mean, It is what it is. There's things that it is. And you gotta love on what it is. And then you gotta grow it, too.

02:15:31 Speaker_10
I mean, there's sensible ways to grow it.

02:15:34 Speaker_07
But it has to be up to the artist to just express themselves honestly. And if the artist is a country artist that has a different perspective, let that be. But leave all the rest of it the way it is, too.

02:15:44 Speaker_10
Buddy, with every successful music artist that's ever lived, They may have faked you out, any genre, but country is even, country's tough. Because once you show any unauthenticity, buddy, you're done, you're done. I can imagine. Like, dude, I mean. Yeah.

02:16:13 Speaker_10
Like, dude, my biggest, like when I, man, you know, I got, My thing was tight jeans. You wouldn't imagine me wearing tight jeans on stage, how much that pisses people.

02:16:31 Speaker_07
Well, it's because you're handsome. That's part of the problem. You're a good-looking guy up there with tight jeans, shaking ass. Shaking that ass, showing that bulge. Get out of here.

02:16:42 Speaker_10
Dude, and then I'm like, bring back Merle Haggard. What the fuck is this? So Joe, you know, one thing, you know,

02:16:49 Speaker_10
my biggest my biggest hurdle ever in my my career and it it still breaks my heart to this day i you know back when i my only way to your only way to make it in music is you've got to stop people's eyeballs on you you got to grab them

02:17:17 Speaker_10
Vocally, visually, musically different. You gotta get them to stop for two seconds and go, wait, what is that, what is that fucker doing right there?

02:17:29 Speaker_10
And when I came out with Country Girl Shake It For Me, on the CMAs shaking my ass, I mean, I had to do it that way.

02:17:42 Speaker_10
In my opinion, I had to go, this is my moment to show country, go shake it for me, and I'm the guy that dances and don't give a damn, and let's have some fun and come along for the ride. And it was amazing. It was amazing.

02:17:58 Speaker_10
You know, the fact that I'm a Georgia boy at the time, and I was talking to Texas people, I was talking to everybody. Well, then at some point, a label for me became Bro Country.

02:18:13 Speaker_07
Did you ever even heard that term? I did. I did because of you. Yeah.

02:18:19 Speaker_10
Well, so I heard it and I'm like, well, bro country. Well, then I started seeing the people making fun of bro country and I'm like, this is kind of fucking pissing me off.

02:18:31 Speaker_10
And then, and then me and some other artists start getting looped into this bro country phase. Well, When I was in my form of coming up as an artist, and I don't even know, we don't have to live on this long, but you'll be amazed, dude.

02:18:49 Speaker_10
So I would go play, I made my way by going to Georgia and playing Georgia college towns. in the southeast, and even I played Auburn a little bit, Auburn, Alabama.

02:19:03 Speaker_10
And that school, I always wanted to break into Auburn and Tuscaloosa because I was always a Georgia artist. Well, I started branching out. Well, dude, I'd get done with a college party. I'd walk off stage. The first thing that would happen

02:19:21 Speaker_10
is uh you know three six nine damn she fine give it to me give it to me one more time get low get low i mean and right when my set got done hip-hop the vibe went to a nightclub.

02:19:40 Speaker_10
And I'm standing, I walked off stage, went to the bar, ordered the beer, and watched everybody that just let me play Merle Haggard, Johnny Cash, all the classics, my couple of new songs, and I was like, well man, this is

02:19:56 Speaker_10
Nobody's got a fucking problem with this. This is this is we're all together in this good time So when I did country girl shake it for me that made that tie crossover It grind them. It made it tie to a little bit.

02:20:14 Speaker_10
Yeah, and then Jason Aldean had his um, she's country

02:20:20 Speaker_10
fucking biggest song when I heard I mean at the time when Jason and I are buddies he does she's country I do country girl shake for me and hit me and him are like we're like this shit our lives are

02:20:35 Speaker_10
I mean, I toured with Jason one year, and he broke all of Elvis's indoor records. We did it for two years.

02:20:42 Speaker_10
I was the opener, and Jason was the headliner, and people, and rap was, we were playing rap before the show, and everybody was, well, then bro country comes along. Dude, I wake up on the bus one morning, and I got this interview.

02:21:03 Speaker_10
sitting there drinking my coffee in my fucking underwear and this dude calls me with hits magazine and he goes well luke you know man this pro country thing and i said well hold up buddy here's what this is and i said and man i did this and i made one fatal error and at the time joe

02:21:31 Speaker_10
No one hated my ass. I believe that. I mean, because I was coming to Billy Bob's, playing, well, I had Texas, I had, I'd go to Bozeman, Montana and play country girl shaker for me. I'd go to everywhere.

02:21:52 Speaker_10
Well, and I said, man, I don't know how to be an outlaw. I'm not an outlaw. I'm a college dude that played frat parties with country music. I fucking did not go sit in a prison cell like Merle Haggard and write songs about guys going to death row.

02:22:20 Speaker_10
And I didn't go to Folsom prison. And man, I listed all that. I was like, I'm not like Willie Nelson. I don't do Willie Nelson. They're outlaws.

02:22:30 Speaker_10
And I said, if it's bro country and that's what I'm labeled as, I said, and where I fucked up is I said, I haven't spent the night like sleeping on the street. And I didn't say, like Johnny Cash's song, Sunday Morning Coming Down. That's what I meant.

02:22:48 Speaker_10
I just didn't tie it. Well, that dude took that article and said, Luke Bryan says outlaw country people are basically

02:23:01 Speaker_10
Drug addicts to sleep in the street and man I pissed that hole that the way they manipulated that story I lost that whole crowd right there Wow broke my heart and wait like I think Waylon Jennings daughter went real public with being I mean she's fucking mad at my ass and Dude, she went on there going, you know, Luke my dad never laid and I never meant that I just meant I

02:23:26 Speaker_10
Yeah, Waylon was in there, too. But we all know what all those guys are, because we got to watch all the documentaries about those guys, and we got to be students of those guys. That's the problem with interviews.

02:23:38 Speaker_07
First of all, they're trying to get you.

02:23:39 Speaker_10
Well, your interviews are the beauty. And no one's gotten popped more than you, because they'll take our... Man, I hope we sit here and bullshit for three hours, but they'll take your five minutes. Right. Out of context. And now they'll AI you.

02:23:57 Speaker_10
So well the so what happened man that thing started growing and man I had motorcycle gangs wanting to burn my house down I had when you get misrepresented in that type of deal.

02:24:11 Speaker_10
And then the subcategories of articles, then the article of the article of the article. What year was this? Man, I don't know. It was probably 2012 or 13. So this was when social media was not as impactful. It was becoming Was YouTube even around then?

02:24:31 Speaker_10
Yes, and clickbait, the world of clickbait was getting rocking. But what, so what I did is, man, I called Waylon Jennings' daughter and said, I said, ma'am, I just forgot to say, like the Chris Christopherson song, Sunday Morning Coming Down.

02:24:51 Speaker_10
That's all I meant by that. And I think she accepted, I called, I text Willie, he sent me the best reply, he goes, He goes, it's okay to step on your dick, just don't stand on it.

02:25:05 Speaker_10
I called Jessie Coulter, and she goes, Luke, what did you mean in the interview? And I told her. And she goes, Waylon stopped doing print interview. But by then, the narrative started.

02:25:23 Speaker_10
And since then, I can always tell that if that one little thing, I probably would have kept that whole base.

02:25:34 Speaker_10
And then the, oh my God, he wears tight jeans and he must, you know, he must homosexual on the side, you know, as I'm, as I'm posing with my, my, my, you know, my all American family.

02:25:48 Speaker_07
I think it's probably a thing also they think Hollywood has invaded country music, which is always a big threat because there's so much money in country music that they think these Hollywood executives that don't understand or appreciate real country

02:26:01 Speaker_07
are going to come in and make something inauthentic. So then they hear you saying that, get misrepresented, and then they take it as a part of all of that, right?

02:26:09 Speaker_10
Joe Lass, so my album came out, I worked on an album for three years, it's called Mind of a Country Boy, and I put it out like 1st of October. And I didn't want to put the damn album out, Because the reality is I'm not at the height.

02:26:30 Speaker_10
Every artist hits their peak. You know it. I mean, I sold out. I was selling out football stadiums first day. Three or four years I did it. I know that's my peak, probably. I know it is. Fuck, I'm not going to even say probably. I'm a realist.

02:26:45 Speaker_10
Well, so we put the album out and I said, you know what, no albums sell Nothing sells anymore, so I knew there was going to be a negative take on the album. I knew something negative would come by me putting the album out based on it may not sell.

02:27:00 Speaker_10
And it sold. It did what I thought it'd do, as me being the artist where I'm at in my life.

02:27:07 Speaker_07
Especially in this world of streaming.

02:27:08 Speaker_10
Right.

02:27:08 Speaker_07
Nothing's buying anymore.

02:27:10 Speaker_10
Nothing's buying well, dude. I did 20 40.

02:27:12 Speaker_07
I did 40 hours of 40 hours of You know all the stuff The what's happened is because of online advertising being the primary source of income for news They have to do clickbait shit They have to distort things and then they have editors that don't give a shit about anything other than the bottom line

02:27:33 Speaker_07
So you get a writer, even if the writer's a good person, I've had writers that I know have written about people that I know, and they told me that their editor came in and changed things. They told me their editor came in and possessed things up.

02:27:44 Speaker_10
Because the editor's ass is about to get canned. Yeah, exactly. Because his company just got bought by a big conglomerate. Exactly. That's why artists should just stay away from that shit. Well, and I, you do, and I knew it. What sucks

02:28:00 Speaker_10
You know it, you know when you're getting baited. You can see it coming a mile away.

02:28:05 Speaker_07
You have to film everything you do, every conversation you have with someone, you should film them all so that no one can take you out of context. And then if anything goes wrong, say that guy's full of shit, this is what I said.

02:28:16 Speaker_07
And then maybe even make a video. And those people should be shamed. It's a terrible, evil, ugly thing you do. You crush people's perspective. You change how the world looks at people just for clickbait.

02:28:30 Speaker_07
And it could genuinely affect someone's life and career.

02:28:36 Speaker_10
You know the deal. I mean, I grew up in South Georgia, and we've raised our dang kids colorblind. It's so awesome. I'm so proud of their colorblindness.

02:28:50 Speaker_07
Isn't it funny that that is a negative thing to say today? That people don't like that idea? Did I just say something negative? Yeah. There's a lot of people that don't think you should be colorblind. They think that that's a lie.

02:29:01 Speaker_07
You should think that way. That was what we were all working towards until about 2012. Have you ever seen the numbers? I'm going to send you this, Jamie, because this is what people need to understand.

02:29:12 Speaker_07
A lot of what we're all experiencing is manipulation, and a lot of this manipulation might not even be from our own country. A lot of this manipulation is what happens when you have foreign entities that are manipulating people. Oh yeah, that's it.

02:29:29 Speaker_07
Thank you. Look at that. Jamie, you're the best. Yearly mentions of prejudice in popular U.S. news media outlets. Now look at what happens. Look at this crazy spike. So you have everything from 1970 until you have like 1990.

02:29:47 Speaker_07
See, what's going on in 1990 between 80 and 90? You have cable, okay? So now you have people that need more eyes on their shit. So you have Fox News. You have a lot of this. You have people who get a little bit more jazzed up. Look at transphobia.

02:30:02 Speaker_07
You never even heard what the fuck that was until 2010. Look how it just jumps up in 2020. In 1990, it didn't exist. 1980, it didn't exist. Islamophobia, same deal. Antisemitism. Scroll all the way up to the top, though, Jamie. So look at racism.

02:30:21 Speaker_07
Racism is essentially fairly steady until around 2012, and then it goes on this wild ramp straight up. The New York Times, from 2010 to 2020, it goes up 712 percent. Los Angeles Times, 756 percent. It just skyrockets all the mention of racism. Why?

02:30:45 Speaker_07
Because no one wants racism, no one wants to be racist, everyone's scared of being called racist, and all the race hustlers love to call people racist. So it becomes a commodity. So people start trading in racism.

02:30:58 Speaker_07
And this idea that you shouldn't be colorblind, and that you should recognize race, you should recognize color, and it's like, stop! We were on a good path to what Martin Luther King said, judging people based on the content of their character.

02:31:11 Speaker_07
We were on that path, and social media and manipulation fucked us. And hopefully we realize what happened now, and I think there'll be a downward trend, and people will start to wake up.

02:31:23 Speaker_07
And I think that's one thing that is balancing out right now with the internet, is enough people are realizing they've been manipulated, so it's starting to calm down. A lot of this woke shit is starting to die off.

02:31:34 Speaker_07
And people are coming to their senses. Everybody just woke up from a fever dream. But as far as your situation and dealing with the media, don't. Oh, I know. Just don't.

02:31:44 Speaker_10
But when you're so dang, you know the deal.

02:31:47 Speaker_07
You're naive. You're a little bit naive because you're a nice guy. But it's because you're a good person. That's why you're naive. You assume other people are good people.

02:31:53 Speaker_10
Man, what's amazing is when I'm on American Idol, that desk, And I've been doing it for nine damn years. And I have cried with everybody. When those kids come in, they are, everybody walking through that door is a microcosm of America.

02:32:12 Speaker_10
And man, I've sat there and loved and loved and learned.

02:32:17 Speaker_07
Do you enjoy doing that?

02:32:18 Speaker_10
Like seeing new talent pop up? I do. Nothing is more amazing than watching a broken kid that's been told they're not good. And they come from everywhere. Man, the craziest thing is the kids that were raised in the homes of doctors.

02:32:44 Speaker_10
that the doctor family can't wrap their head around my child wanting to go try this fucking music thing. What? We're doctors. We're doctors.

02:32:56 Speaker_10
And man, when they branch out and the family gets behind them and then they go and follow their dreams and man, it's really... Yeah, he doesn't get old. I mean, listen, I mean, it's a fun chair to be in.

02:33:09 Speaker_10
It's a fun chair to be in because that door opens and it's a life that comes in and you don't know what the hell. You know, we have a note or two like, you know, just lost their father to cancer three months ago, you know, from a small town.

02:33:26 Speaker_10
But other than that, man, we don't know what they're going to do and how they're going to react. And it's pretty cool. I mean, you know, when and when I had just moved to Nashville, when American Idol was

02:33:40 Speaker_10
just I mean 40 million viewers a week and the you know the the tone in Nashville is That's the cheap route to get famous because I I came up through you got to play a thousand nightclubs You got to go you got to go through You got to meet the record labels.

02:33:59 Speaker_10
You got to do the radio. You got to go meet everybody at radio so with the whole town of Nashville was like what's not totally fair that they get to just pop on TV and and

02:34:10 Speaker_10
Insert, you know and skip all the but now I mean now Now that's gone, which is great.

02:34:17 Speaker_07
Well, here's an example Oliver Anthony Totally Oliver Anthony has one song he releases It's the most pull up that song because this fucking song this dude when I release it It's just a camera and him with his good when I heard it.

02:34:32 Speaker_10
I I was like, holy shit, that's fucking amazing, and holy shit, that guy better have some songs to come behind it.

02:34:41 Speaker_07
Yeah, well, he's a talented motherfucker. He is.

02:34:44 Speaker_10
A very, very bright man. And it's what life should... Listen to that.

02:35:04 Speaker_07
Listen to that. This dude was selling equipment. He'd never even done a concert. First concert he does is like 18,000 people at a state fair. And he's as genuine as you get. You've had him on here, correct?

02:35:20 Speaker_07
I had him on here, and I actually gave him advice. How did he do? He did great, because I gave him advice before I met him, because he was in the middle of all this. And he goes, hey man, can I talk to you? So we talked on the phone. I'm like, what's up?

02:35:32 Speaker_07
He's like, man, I'm getting all these offers from all these people. They want to buy this and buy that. They want to give me $7 million if I do this and sign that. I said, stay independent. I go, you have talent. Everyone's saying I have to act now.

02:35:44 Speaker_07
I go, fuck those people. I go, you don't have to act now. That's famine thinking. I go, you're talented, man. And I had heard a couple of his other songs as well. He's fucking talented, and he's genuine. And I go, you can't fake that.

02:35:57 Speaker_07
Just stay independent, man, because they're not going to offer you anything. The reason why they want to give you a lot of money is because they're going to make way more than they're going to give you.

02:36:06 Speaker_07
That's the only reason why they want to give you money.

02:36:08 Speaker_07
They want a piece of you before you become one of the biggest stars in the world And then they own a chunk of you forever because they gave you seven million dollars or you didn't have any money I go just bank on yourself, man.

02:36:19 Speaker_10
Yeah, and God, you know the beauty of Idol is is and and guys like this. There's so many avenues now You go the old-fashioned route. You can go the quick route.

02:36:30 Speaker_10
You can go the idle route You can go stream on you know You can go video yourself on all your social platforms and the right song can blow you up But then and then you got to go do the real work

02:36:41 Speaker_10
You gotta do the real work and you gotta have other bullets in your chamber. That's what we tell the kids on Idol now.

02:36:48 Speaker_10
I think when Idol was really, really, obviously when Kelly Clarkson and Carrie Underwood won and even people after that, they went their ass to work, too. It's an insane opportunity. It's insane, yeah.

02:37:02 Speaker_10
And you know, these kids on Idol now, they love seeing their social media platforms go up a thousand percent, and it's worth it.

02:37:10 Speaker_10
And there's going to be bumps in the road, and there's going to be a group of people saying American Idol may exploit these kids.

02:37:27 Speaker_10
Man, I'm in the back, I'm behind the scenes on everything, and man, we won't, you know, they won't... When we get a kid that we love, man, we sit around, we go to dinner, and we talk about that kid and love him. And I think, you know, these kids...

02:37:45 Speaker_10
leave it going man that was a great experience for them I hope so but you know I'm sure they do and it is an insane opportunity if you want to be a professional musician and you want to make a career out of it it's one of the most unbelievable moments you got to do your path yeah you got my path was my path and it was unique to mine and because yours is different that don't mean I need to hate you for it there's a lot of that shit with comedians today too

02:38:12 Speaker_07
Oh! Because a comedian will have one clip where he's doing some crowd work or one clip of one bit that everybody loves then all of a sudden he's selling out and everybody's like, that guy... He only had one good joke.

02:38:21 Speaker_07
Yeah, he's only been around for three years, but so what? Let him run with it. Let him run with it. You know, it's... we're living in a new world. It's like the song.

02:38:34 Speaker_10
It is a new world. Why wouldn't we all want someone else to win? Right. What is wrong what's wrong with people winning it's like you have figured out how to feed yourself with a guitar yeah you've figured out how to tell jokes yeah and make a living and

02:38:58 Speaker_10
And you know all like, man, like I said, dude, I won't even post my damn deer I killed. Because I don't want to get online and be there with a glass of wine at 3 a.m. and start motherfucking people up. Like, dude, I want to kill them.

02:39:21 Speaker_07
Like I said, you get over it, you get over it, but man, it pisses you off. I don't read anything. I tell everybody, don't read anything. Don't read anything about you. Just don't. Don't read the good stuff, don't read the bad stuff. I do good with it.

02:39:35 Speaker_07
I mean, hell, I'm sitting here, I'm a 48-year-old man. My shit's in the bank, but it still makes you mad. It still makes you mad. It doesn't matter, even if you're undeniable. It doesn't matter.

02:39:45 Speaker_07
It's a human instinct to read negative things and get upset. Because humans always had to worry about threats. And if the threats were other tribes or predators or whatever.

02:39:56 Speaker_06
You had to attack that threat.

02:39:58 Speaker_07
So we're always, we're mentally conditioned to look for threats. What is it, fight or flight or something? Yeah. Well, it's also, it's like if you have a hundred people who love you, but one that hates you,

02:40:08 Speaker_07
That one is the one you're going to think about. You're not going to think about all the people that say you're awesome. You're going to think about that one that hates you. And then you have to think about the kind of people that post comments.

02:40:16 Speaker_07
Most of the people who post comments are miserable people.

02:40:19 Speaker_10
Not the positive comments, but the negative comments. I started a thing, you know, and I know you've got people in your world where

02:40:27 Speaker_10
Man, you know, there's assholes and you'll huddle up and you'll spend an hour talking about how you can't believe how big an asshole that person is. And I'm like, gosh, we're 15 minutes in on talking about this person being an asshole.

02:40:43 Speaker_06
We wasted 15 minutes of my life.

02:40:44 Speaker_10
We wasted 15 minutes on us trying to figure out why can't they stop being an asshole?

02:40:51 Speaker_07
You basically wasted one one hundredth of your day. Somebody that sucks you only get a hundred of those 15 minutes in a day. You wasted one talking about a shithead It's a mess, but it's a normal thing that people do you just got to not do it.

02:41:06 Speaker_07
You gotta realize this is a new world.

02:41:07 Speaker_10
I've gotten conscious where when I see When I see other buddies doing it, I'm like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, get out of there

02:41:13 Speaker_07
Yeah, man, I recognized it when I was on television before social media.

02:41:18 Speaker_07
There was a thing called There was these Hollywood Magazines like variety and the Hollywood Reporter and I would always call them the devil's rag Because I would get to the set of the TV show and everybody was reading the devil's rag They were like, oh, I can't believe they're number two.

02:41:36 Speaker_07
We should be know we should be right after friends. Oh Everybody was upset and I was like you guys are I'm on TV. I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you people. I'm on television. I can't believe I'm on TV.

02:41:49 Speaker_07
You guys are upset that we're number 30 instead of number two or whatever the fuck it is. Can't we just appreciate the fact that this is back when there was only like five networks.

02:41:59 Speaker_07
Can we appreciate the fact that we're one of the luckiest human beings that have ever lived? We're on a fucking television show and yet you're reading these magazines.

02:42:07 Speaker_07
And it's like, is it Thomas Jefferson who wrote that quote, comparison is a thief of joy? But whoever was that was it Jefferson? I know we know who it we've read it before but that quote is so accurate Comparison it's that's why billionaires.

02:42:21 Speaker_07
I I know a dude is worth like a billion and a half dollars And he thinks he's broke because he's friends with like Jeff Bezos I do not get into that.

02:42:30 Speaker_10
You cannot get into that world there.

02:42:32 Speaker_07
You can't win You can't win because you're in a crazy fucking numbers

02:42:38 Speaker_10
race and it doesn't mean anything.

02:42:39 Speaker_07
You're not even enjoying what you have.

02:42:41 Speaker_10
So my wife for her 40th birthday, man, I surprised her and I rented her. Never done anything. We rented like a 120 foot boat and took all her college friends down to St. Barts for New Year's. Have you ever heard of this scene?

02:42:58 Speaker_07
No. Dude. Is it crazy? Joe.

02:43:04 Speaker_10
So first of all, I mean, this boat that we got is a 120 foot Westport. Beautiful. We get the same boat.

02:43:14 Speaker_07
I didn't know what the fuck we were doing. Oh, you're in the yacht world. Okay, so you're entering into these worlds of 200 foot boats, 250 foot boats.

02:43:21 Speaker_10
The oligarchs.

02:43:23 Speaker_07
Yeah, okay. Yeah, I've seen that before.

02:43:25 Speaker_10
And it's in St. Bart's and they all float there for New Year's.

02:43:31 Speaker_07
And it's all dick measuring contests.

02:43:33 Speaker_10
Dude. And my captain of that little boat, which that boat looked like, our boat that we were on looked like their shuttle boats. And my captain, I said, did you ever pilot one of those? He goes, oh yeah. He goes, I said, what were they doing on there?

02:43:52 Speaker_10
He goes, looking at the other boats, wondering.

02:43:57 Speaker_10
fucking billion-dollar yacht and pissed at the other billion-dollar yacht yeah that's real they're all in competition with each other and they're all hating you know and I'm entering in yeah you just got to get your little world like my little world now tight my little Tennessee hunting world I tell people all the time they're like come on down to my ranch man I got my little deal yeah it's enough stay sane

02:44:24 Speaker_07
Keep it tight. What are they doing on that boat, Captain? Isn't that nuts? Imagine being on a 250-foot yacht, looking at the dude on the 300-foot yacht, going, God damn it. I got to upgrade.

02:44:34 Speaker_07
I was talking to a dude who pilots yachts, and he was telling me that they always want to sell them. They always want to sell them and get another one. He goes, all these yachts are always almost for sale. I go, how come?

02:44:44 Speaker_07
He goes, because they always want another yacht. They always want a bigger yacht. It's a trap. It's a giant trap. Imagine having all that money you're not even appreciating it because you're worried about making more.

02:44:58 Speaker_07
Remember when we were kids, if you said, like, what would you do if you had a million dollars? I'd never work again.

02:45:03 Speaker_10
I'd fucking just... Well, you know, I remember dreaming. Did you lay in bed and just be like... I remember dreaming about trying to do it and how I was gonna... How you gonna get rich? How am I gonna get... I wouldn't say rich.

02:45:19 Speaker_10
How am I gonna be able to have my own little, my own bass pond?

02:45:23 Speaker_09
Right.

02:45:24 Speaker_10
Because I would have to call other people and get permission. And that dude, the anxiety of calling an old farmer, going, hey, Farmer Johnson, can I go fish your bass lake? I don't know, Luke. Not today. I'd be like, fuck.

02:45:40 Speaker_10
And so I remember doing that, and then when you start achieving it, man, I still, I mean, I don't think it's, I don't think I'm living in that world of like the other digging. You know, I think you can for a minute. I think you can for a little bit.

02:45:57 Speaker_07
But it's a trap. It is a trap. And the problem is it's all numbers. It's like, you know how dudes are crazy with deer? Like, I want a 200-inch deer. 200-inch mule deer. You can't do that. I want a 400-inch elk. They get crazy with numbers.

02:46:10 Speaker_07
You know, I talked to this dude who worked on a ranch, and they have a big elk on this ranch, and he said, sometimes the hunters are really happy with an elk, and then they'll put a tape to it and measure it, and it's 396, and they get bummed out, because it's not 400.

02:46:21 Speaker_07
I'm like, those people are sick. You should never have them here again. You should ban them. They should never be allowed to be here again. That's the sickness. But that's what happens with these people with everything, man.

02:46:33 Speaker_07
I never had a dream of being wealthy. It was never a dream. It was never even in my imagination did I ever think I was going to be rich. I never even thought about it.

02:46:44 Speaker_07
When I started doing stand-up comedy, my dream was to be a professional, because I always had jobs. My dream was to be able to pay my bills with comedy.

02:46:53 Speaker_10
I looked at all the dudes... Well, that was... Now, my dream... Yeah, let me make sure I didn't steer you wrong on that. My dream was to do these things out of being driven

02:47:06 Speaker_10
Like, when I moved to Nashville, I wrote on a chalkboard, write a number one song. You know, win a CMA award. Oh, so you had a little vision board. I had a little vision board. Nice.

02:47:19 Speaker_10
But I didn't understand, I didn't really comprehend the money after that, because I didn't know it. And I didn't know, like, people are like, I'm a big Georgia Bulldog fan. And they're like, did you go to Georgia? And I'm like,

02:47:35 Speaker_10
Buddy, me going to the University of Georgia when I was 18 years old, I mean, I barely, my dad barely got the money for me to go to the community college 12 minutes down the road, so going to Georgia didn't... Wasn't I didn't put it in there, right?

02:47:52 Speaker_07
So go ahead.

02:47:54 Speaker_07
I'm just saying that When I see people that that's all they care about is the money and then they're always thinking about the richness in them I just think it's a trap and it the problem is if you're always comparing yourself to other people You're not gonna enjoy what you have, you know, enjoy this experience temporary experience of life.

02:48:12 Speaker_07
I Right. You know, because it is temporary. It's so quick. I'm 57 years old. How the fuck did that happen? All of a sudden, you just keep getting older. And then, you know, one day you're dead.

02:48:24 Speaker_07
And I bet on your deathbed, you're like, how did it happen so quick? How did it happen so quick? What are you doing with your time? And are you enjoying it? And I think you need things outside of what you do that you love.

02:48:37 Speaker_07
And like for you and I, I think it's hunting and the outdoors. Because I think it balances you. I think there's something very spiritual about it. I think there's something just being in the woods.

02:48:48 Speaker_07
It's a very spiritual experience, like a real spiritual experience. Like, I think it's like a vitamin that you don't know you need until you get it. And when you get it, you feel better. When I'm out there, I feel better. I just feel better.

02:49:00 Speaker_07
I'm like, the air is cleaner. I feel more in touch with being alive. It just feels better. And I think I'm not thinking about anything else. If I'm elk hunting, I'm not thinking about Jokes, and I'm not thinking about podcast guests.

02:49:13 Speaker_07
I'm not thinking about jack shit. I'm just thinking about what I'm doing.

02:49:17 Speaker_07
That's it It's and it's it's very difficult to do and it's it's you have to really focus and you're thinking about it You're always trying to improve and this that alone is good for your brain

02:49:28 Speaker_10
It's good for your wife. I lost my brother and my sister, and my sister's husband passed away. I lost my brother at 26, my sister at 39, and her husband died at 45. Man, it is present. The daily appreciation of this deal is visually present.

02:49:57 Speaker_07
Isn't that crazy about people though? It's like you almost need to lose something to be able to appreciate what you have.

02:50:02 Speaker_10
Well, and I tell people, man, you know, you meet, I tell people, man, really be careful because if you make it to 80, you're going to get, you're going to get popped with something. I don't think you can get through this thing.

02:50:19 Speaker_07
Like some kind of a disease or something?

02:50:21 Speaker_10
No, no, I'm saying you're going to lose something. You're going to lose something, dear. You're not going to get through A to Z without really a hard, a hard loss. No, that's just a part of life. But some people, man, they're just delusional.

02:50:40 Speaker_07
Well, they're delusional and then a lot of people are medicated too so that they don't even know what the fuck is going on while they're living this life they're living this life under the influence of the pharmaceutical drug companies and they're just Floating through life in a haze and they don't even know what's happening while it's happening And then they get to the end and then would you do would you do did you help people?

02:51:00 Speaker_07
Did you make people feel better? Did you inspire people? Did you enrich people's lives? What'd you do? You know? And then you have to realize, like, God damn, I wasted a lot of time reading comments. Thank you. Thank you for doing that.

02:51:16 Speaker_07
Wasted a lot of time getting mad at assholes.

02:51:19 Speaker_10
I don't do it bad, though. That's what's funny.

02:51:21 Speaker_07
I don't do it bad. Everybody says that. Everybody says they don't look at their phone. They go, let me see your screen time. Like, six hours? Six hours. Jesus, bitch. What the fuck are you doing? Oh, Lord. Yeah, man.

02:51:32 Speaker_07
I mean... Well, we're all... This is a new world, too, in terms of that. I keep saying this is a new world, but this really is a new element to our lives, is this social media element. And I think there's not a lot of...

02:51:46 Speaker_07
Stuff that's written on it where people understand.

02:51:48 Speaker_07
Yeah, we're learning and yeah Yeah, we're the we're the lab rats We really are especially our kids our kids really are the lab rats that we were the kids really are and not just that Also access to violence they see so much violence.

02:52:03 Speaker_07
There's so much online.

02:52:04 Speaker_10
That's horrible think about I Think about this all the time I Would go stay with a buddy at his house, and he'd go, man, I rented Faces of Death.

02:52:20 Speaker_07
Remember those?

02:52:22 Speaker_10
I wouldn't watch them. I'd be like, man, my parents told me not to watch that. He'd go, what? You don't watch this guy get electrocuted? And I'm like, fuck no, I don't want to watch a dude get electrocuted. Dude, we're watching people

02:52:40 Speaker_07
We're watching people, it's... Yeah, if you're on Instagram, you're seeing people dying. Every... Every day. Every day I have friends that send me horrible shit.

02:52:51 Speaker_10
I mean, legs breaking. I mean, I remember Joe Theismann, when Joe Theismann broke his leg. Dude, it like shut the country down.

02:53:02 Speaker_07
I know, now that's nothing. That's nothing.

02:53:05 Speaker_07
I watched a dude on a diving board and his foot fell in a crack and the diving board had an opening in it and he went forward and his knee stayed in the same place and it just snapped his leg the wrong way and he's screaming, hanging from a broken leg.

02:53:18 Speaker_07
That's just one thing I saw today. I thought you don't do that. I watch things on Instagram. I just don't read comments. But me and Tom Segura, we send each other the most horrible shit every day. It's ridiculous.

02:53:34 Speaker_07
But some days he sends me things I don't even look at them. I'm like not today.

02:53:37 Speaker_10
Oh, I can see it coming, but I do love... I do love the funny, comical aspect of it that gets me and a cup of coffee dying laughing at some person being a goofball. Or memes.

02:53:50 Speaker_07
Some memes. They got us though.

02:53:52 Speaker_08
They got us.

02:53:53 Speaker_07
Yeah, memes are some of the best comedy out there. And it's just random people create these funny things. There's a lot of funny people out there.

02:53:59 Speaker_10
What's amazing is we've gotten to where we can see the meme happen and predict the meme and the memes on your phone the next day. And you're like... Within hours.

02:54:08 Speaker_07
They're so quick. And memes are weird because a lot of times you don't even know who made it. You're sharing it, somebody sends it to you, you send it to other people, like, who made that? Who's the wizard that figured this out? It's fucking hilarious.

02:54:20 Speaker_07
It's like a meme factory. Well, it's like jokes. Remember jokes like, you know, two guys walking to a bar, those jokes, who fucking wrote those? We don't know, but some of them were bangers. And they spread.

02:54:30 Speaker_07
They just spread, spread across the whole country. But somebody had to be the guy that sat down and tells the story, two guys walking to a bar. And then, you know, it's everywhere.

02:54:43 Speaker_10
Well, I mean, there's a million places we can go, but it's, you know, you look at, Yeah, I mean, the damn children, my kids, I mean, we're yelling at them every day, get up, get off the phone, get outside.

02:54:56 Speaker_10
And they do a good job, but man, I think it's just, it's a part of their deal.

02:55:01 Speaker_07
They're being influenced by things far beyond our control and way different than anything that any other generation has ever experienced before.

02:55:09 Speaker_10
Like my son, he's a 16 year old quarterback. And man, he watches all these other quarterbacks. Hell, there are 14 recruiting download sites. And my son's like, that dude right there is the greatest quarterback in the country.

02:55:33 Speaker_10
I said, well, how old is he, Bo? He's 15, Dad. I'm like, Bo, we don't know what that little shit's going to be. What are you talking about? He goes, well, dad, he's a five star and he's 15.

02:55:47 Speaker_10
I'm like, Bo, your dad, when I moved to Nashville, I was a one star country singer. If I'd had a rating next to me and probability of me making it, yeah, it would have been a one star. I worked myself into hopefully a three star, three star recruit.

02:56:08 Speaker_10
And he's looking at me like I'm crazy. And so one of those kids, He played them. Now, my son's not starting, he's backup quarterback to a great quarterback, and we played them and we beat them.

02:56:23 Speaker_10
We get down, he gets home after the game, I said, what'd you think about your little savior there? He goes, he's still the greatest quarterback of all time. I said, boo, he lost the fucking game! He's 15!

02:56:42 Speaker_10
Just, son, let's let life happen before we anoint.

02:56:47 Speaker_07
Just be inspired. Be inspired by other's success, but don't take it too seriously. And also recognize, that kid might start getting laid and throw it all away.

02:56:56 Speaker_10
Exactly.

02:56:57 Speaker_07
He don't know what's gonna... Yeah, you're 15, you don't know what the fuck's coming your way.

02:57:01 Speaker_10
You don't know what, yeah.

02:57:03 Speaker_07
Yeah, you're running some Russian chicken English class.

02:57:06 Speaker_10
Yeah, some new Russian exchange student that needs an English tutor.

02:57:11 Speaker_07
Yeah, and then all of a sudden you don't have any sperm left in your body and you're dehydrated all day long. Yeah, you're getting electrolytes on the sideline. You're not doing any off-season running or lifting. You're busy.

02:57:24 Speaker_07
Also people just they lose the focus, you know, and sometimes they get pushed too hard by the parents There's a little bit of that to the kids rebel. They don't want to do it anymore Anything can happen, but that's what's fascinating about life.

02:57:37 Speaker_07
Is that it's all open your daughters are How old now 28 16 and 14. Yeah, the 16 and 14. Oh The 16 and 14 are going through a totally different experience. The TikTok, all girls. The TikTok world.

02:57:51 Speaker_10
Yeah, but girls are way... I mean, I just... They're way more influenced in a negative way.

02:57:56 Speaker_07
My heart aches for girls in this... Well, there's some alarming statistics about the growth of social media from like 2009, where you see girls with self-harm, all sorts of psychological conditions, online bullying.

02:58:13 Speaker_07
Because girls are fucking vicious to each other online. Boys will run into each other and punch each other in the face. But girls will attack each other's character, and they're reputation destroyers.

02:58:23 Speaker_07
And they love to make up stories about girls, and be mean about girls, and talk shit about the way girls look, and the way girls dress, and the guys girls are dating, and they do it to each other.

02:58:32 Speaker_07
And it's just, it's unfortunate, but that's what gossip used to be. Gossip used to just be talking, though. It's like a normal thing where girls get around and talk. But now they talk online. And when they talk online, then other people read it.

02:58:45 Speaker_07
And you're ruining people's lives. And you're ruining little girls' lives. And suicide is off the charts. And self-harm is off the charts. And mostly young girls are getting affected by it.

02:58:56 Speaker_10
When I have my 14-year-old go, Dad, I'm anxious about this. I'm like, I didn't know the word anxious. I didn't know the word anxious until I was 35 years old. Right?

02:59:11 Speaker_07
Right. Right. It wasn't thought when we were kids in high school.

02:59:14 Speaker_10
It wasn't processed as anxiety. It was processed as like... Life. Yeah. You get nervous. Yeah.

02:59:20 Speaker_07
I mean, yeah. Yeah.

02:59:21 Speaker_10
I got a big test. My stomach hurts. I got to go take a shit. Right, right, right. Yeah.

02:59:25 Speaker_07
Right. Now it's the thing they think about all the time. And the problem with that is Abigail Schreier wrote a book about this. You focus on your problems, your problems oftentimes become bigger. When you think about things like anxiety, guess what?

02:59:35 Speaker_07
It makes you more anxious. It doesn't help it. It actually has the opposite effect. Yeah, it's a weird world, but they're going to be okay.

02:59:45 Speaker_00
We're all going to be okay.

02:59:46 Speaker_07
We're just going to have to adjust and figure it out on the fly. It's just this adjustment is bigger than any adjustment that any generation's ever had to make before.

02:59:54 Speaker_07
But it's also like look at things like Oliver Anthony good comes out of it, too Yeah, you know jelly roll jelly roll Jesus love that dude best thing ever.

03:00:03 Speaker_07
He's one of my favorite human beings ever best thing He's such a fucking sweetheart best thing ever and that guy sang that song save me and everybody was like what is going on?

03:00:14 Speaker_07
this this fucking ex-con with tattoos on his face with a voice like an angel and Best thing ever. Incredible. But that's, this is all possible today too. So you got good and you got bad. It's just, you got to navigate the waters.

03:00:27 Speaker_07
You got to know where the rocks are. Steer that boat, young sailor.

03:00:32 Speaker_10
You know, and what amazes me is, man, what breaks my heart is when people think they're all alone in their thing that's hanging up their life.

03:00:45 Speaker_01
Right.

03:00:46 Speaker_10
when you meet somebody and it's all scaled way differently like when you meet you know uh you know I've had people you know you know when you when you grow up in a country music band and you're on the bus for hours with buddies and everybody go they got their own life and then man you find out

03:01:08 Speaker_10
I had one band member almost kill himself over something that if he'd have just had somebody say, man, I have that too. And he would have not felt alone.

03:01:24 Speaker_10
And people have got to quit thinking that they're the only ones that have gone through this thing.

03:01:34 Speaker_07
Well, that's why you need people that you love.

03:01:36 Speaker_10
That's why you need friends. See, my household was a man. We sat at the dinner table and, dude, it came out.

03:01:45 Speaker_10
thought that's good and then but my wife's household was man they you know bottled they bottled it up and it all worked and we don't know who came out better but but me and my wife you know we we work on like you know we work on like I mean like my wife never saw her mama like in the shower

03:02:10 Speaker_10
Like just showering, you know, like walk through the house naked. I mean, hell, we had one bathroom. It was like, we're a bunch of damn naked idiots running around trying to get to the bathroom.

03:02:19 Speaker_10
And my wife's like, yeah, my mama did not shower with the door open. And I'm like, or, and I'm like, really? She's like, I'm like, you're kidding me. Never once.

03:02:30 Speaker_07
I'm like, just, that's kind of crazy. Everybody's... Well, when you have daughters, there's a certain amount of time where you can't be naked in front of them anymore. Once they hit like four or five years old, you're like, okay, that's a wrap.

03:02:40 Speaker_10
My 16-year-old, so my beard, we're living in our guest house right now because we're doing some work to our main house. Our main house had stuff that just kept happening and we were like, We're moving out, and when we move back in, have it all fixed.

03:02:56 Speaker_10
So we got three, we got a 22-year-old, a 16-year-old living in the same house. When my wife stored all of my bathroom stuff, it's in a box somewhere on my shaving gear. I run into my son's bathroom, my 16-year-old, and I grabbed his beard trimmer.

03:03:13 Speaker_10
I grabbed a, I grabbed his fucking trimmer sitting there, and I shaved my beard, and I'm all up under my nose. You smell bald hair? No! I get in my truck, and I'm driving down the road, my son gets home from school crying, laughing. What? Dad!

03:03:32 Speaker_10
You shaved your beard with my ball trimmers! And I was like, you little shit. First of all, I'm like, what in the hell? Sixteen-year-old manscaping? What the fuck's going on? It's a new world.

03:03:54 Speaker_10
I know, I'm like, dude, I never imagined you had, I don't even think he's, you know, whatever. These damn, it's so fun, man. These kids, my dad, my, God, it's so amazing. Dude, we, you know, we were elk hunting, man.

03:04:09 Speaker_10
my 14-year-old, we got this really cool, when we go elk hunt, we gotta wade across a river to get to our elk spot. And the first couple years, man, we didn't know. We just stripped down to our underwear and hung our boots and all our gear

03:04:31 Speaker_10
and walked underwear and dude, it was kinda like we're really men, you know? And so Tate and Bo, Bo the first time, I would put him on my shoulders and walk him.

03:04:44 Speaker_10
Well then, after two years, we were like, dude, let's go by and get like eight pairs of waders and sit them on the bank and we'll leave the waders and everybody's like, that's a damn good idea. I'm like, yeah.

03:04:56 Speaker_10
I mean, how many years does it take y'all to understand, go get some damn waders? So Tate, for the last three years, I've toted him across the river. And man, I looked at him the last day of the hunt. And this was Tate's year to try to get an elk.

03:05:12 Speaker_10
And actually, Dad, I kind of messed up the elk hunt. I moved and spooked the elk, which was great, because he realized that just because you're Luke Bryan's son, you don't get the damn elk. And I said, hey.

03:05:28 Speaker_10
Um, I said, uh, I want to touch you across the river. I said, you're growing and this probably the last year. So I told him across the river and then on the way back, he goes, Hey dad, I want to wait it by myself.

03:05:39 Speaker_10
And man, he, uh, he, you don't realize how much your kids really are watching you, but we're sitting on the bank and he's watching me and I sit my bow down and he takes his bow and sits it down.

03:05:55 Speaker_10
He watches everything I do, and it was the cutest thing ever. I haven't even told my wife. So every year I take my boots and I tie them in a knot.

03:06:04 Speaker_10
and I hang them and throw them over my, because we're toting gear, and I throw my boots over my shoulders so they don't get wet. Man, I looked at him, and he's sitting there tying his little string.

03:06:15 Speaker_10
He stands up and throws him boots, and he just, man, watching your kids just absorb it is just, you know, it's pretty damn special.

03:06:24 Speaker_07
Sounds like you're having a beautiful life, my friend.

03:06:26 Speaker_10
Well, it's a- It really does. Kids make it.

03:06:31 Speaker_07
It really does. It really does. Luke, thank you very much, man. This was a lot of fun.

03:06:36 Speaker_10
I hope we- How long was that?

03:06:38 Speaker_07
More than three hours. Was it? Yeah. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, it's 4.30.

03:06:44 Speaker_10
Three hours.

03:06:44 Speaker_07
There it is. Mind of a country boy, listen or download now. Look at you, you handsome bastard. Well. Fucking tight jeans.

03:06:52 Speaker_10
Look at you. Tight jeans. Everybody hates me.

03:06:57 Speaker_07
They don't hate you, man. Just don't read the ones that do. Oh, shit.

03:07:00 Speaker_06
Appreciate you, brother. Thank you very much. Love you. Love you, too.

03:07:04 Speaker_05
Bye, everybody.

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