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Episode: #2209 - Paul Rosolie

Author: Joe Rogan
Duration: 03:37:33

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Paul Rosolie is a conservationist, filmmaker, and writer. He's the founder of Junglekeepers, an organization protecting threatened habitat in western Amazonia, and the author of "Mother of God: An Extraordinary Journey into the Uncharted Tributaries of the Western Amazon.

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What could possibly be different than the way when you walked in here? I have no idea. Dude, I'll tell you what, it's so much fun walking in here and not be ready to throw up out of nerves.

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The first time I walked out of here and I went, holy shit, I was actually nervous. I don't get nervous, but the first time I was.

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I'm not nervous now though.

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No. Good. No. No.

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It's good to see you again. Good to see you. Every time I see him, I'm like, I'm glad he's still alive. It's like, where you live is so crazy.

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Let me tell you, man.

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I don't understand why you continue to do it, but I guess you love it. I have to do it.

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Nothing else I can do at this point. How long do you think you're gonna stay out there for? Until the mission's complete. My whole life has been based around one goal. It's been protecting this river. And this year, we've just been experiencing miracles.

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What's happened in the last few months has been...

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life-changing on a level that that like I didn't understand these things could happen when Lex came down and everything that happened we didn't think you go out and you don't think that that miraculous things are gonna happen and there's been there's just been there's just we've actually been making strides towards notching winds in protecting this river saving the Amazon it's wild

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So is it because of you become more high-profile you've got more support like what it what has been the change?

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Well, I mean coming on here helped a lot I mean first of all just coming over here like three different people stopped me in the airport more like are you that guy from Joe Rogan? And I was like, are you serious?

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Like I'm over there like I'm not used to this I live in the jungle So I don't you know, I don't know and then I come back here and then people like dude I know you you're the jungle guy and I'm like, oh shit. Oh That's new for me.

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But, so really the thing that happened recently was that, so I went on Lex's show a year and a half ago, and he said, I'm gonna come down to the Amazon, which everybody says.

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You went on Lex's show, but Lex actually went on your show.

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You can say that.

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He did it in the Amazon.

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And to see Lex with his suit, his customary suit on, how hot was it? It was hot. If you watch that carefully, you can see him. Yeah, he looks glistening. I was doing fine.

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But we like we both like covered ourselves in bug spray and we just we sat down and we said okay We're just gonna try it out. And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. It's fine But yeah, he came like when he said he was coming down.

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I was like, yeah you and everybody else Everybody says they're gonna come down. I didn't think he would actually do it. And then how long is the flight? Um, it's not long to get to Lima from New York is eight hours.

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So from here, it's even shorter Wow, yeah, it's really not bad and he came down for two weeks the first day that he was I was like I want to show you the start of the end of the of the Amazon rainforest was starched in the Andes Mountains So we're in the western edge of the Amazon rainforest.

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And so you have these glacial peaks up at 17,000 feet So I was like Lex we I want to take you up to 17,000 feet I want to go from source to river and And so his first day he arrived and then we drove five hours, got to the base of this mountain.

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Then we met up with these dudes that are experts and they brought us up to the glacier where we can't breathe. Wow. Yeah. It was, it was, you're driving on roads where, where the, the, you know, the, the cliff goes down a thousand feet. Yeah.

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Fuck all that. I've seen those roads. And, and I was, I opened the car door to try and goof around with Lex to be like, Oh, I'm with Lex Riemer right now in the thing. And I look over and I see the wheel go over the fucking edge and skid back on.

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It happens all the time.

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So yeah, we got out. We, we, we walked, we let the car, I was like, look, the car drive.

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And then what we did was we took a rock and I was like, yo Lex, I was like, this would be us if, if the car flipped and we threw a rock over the edge and this big rock was just spinning like this.

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And I was like, man, we would be chopped meat by the bottom. So we got up to 70,000 feet, we saw the glacier. And whenever you bring somebody to the jungle, the thing is, you don't know, some people take to it, some people don't.

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Some people get to the jungle and their skin doesn't react well to the bug bites, they're overwhelmed by the fact that they're far from everything. Lex's eyes lit up. Like, I didn't know he had that setting.

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He walked into the jungle and was like, I like this. He got this grin on his face.

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Lex is a secret savage.

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Yeah.

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Look at his face.

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He wasn't fucking around.

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Yeah. He could live out there.

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Yeah. And if you notice, he came to the Amazon and he looked like Lex in his profile picture. And when he left the Amazon, he looked totally different. And that process is what happened. He said, I'm coming down. He's like, I want to do what you guys do.

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I want to go on a deep expedition. And so me and JJ, who's the guy I work with down there, the local indigenous Saha native, who is the reason that I do the work I do, I support his work. And so we said, okay, what are we gonna do?

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Let's find the wildest place we can think of. Let's go way up our river. So we're ready like two, if you take a boat from town, it's two days deep into the jungle to get there by river. We said, let's go five more hours up river.

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leave the boat, and then we're gonna go from our river up to this other tributary, and it's like 20 miles. I'm like, 20 miles, right? Fuck, yeah, this'll be fine. We got our backpacks, machetes, we get off the boat, and Lex is all good to go.

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The first five minutes we're out there, J.J. machetes a branch that has wasps. Oh, God. His whole head and neck gets surrounded by wasps. He gets 30 stings on him and he runs. And so right away, we're like, oh, God, here we go.

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We had to use a stick to get his hat out from under where the wasps were attacking. We hike all day, and here's the thing. You think it's the rainforest. There's gonna be water everywhere. There's no water.

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So, picture being in the sauna for eight hours straight, and then no re-up on water. We drank all of our water thinking we're gonna find a stream. We didn't find a stream. We camped that night, like dry camp, nothing.

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Fell asleep, woke up, we're like, we gotta find water. And at this point, Lex is... How do you find water? Well, I mean, there should just be streams, right? Were there that you just didn't run into?

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It was a weird section of forest, and this is integral to the whole story, was that this part of the forest, unlike where we are, which is very, very flat, and there's all these little streams, they're clear, this came in an anaconda, but they're clear, and the jungle works, the roots work like a huge filtering system, so you can drink that water right out of the streams.

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Where we were, it was up and down and up and down and up and down. And so that's why we're sweating all day. We can't, we didn't have water. We start going the next day, no water.

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And Lex starts looking at me and he's like, dude, we can't keep doing this. We're slipping and sliding down slopes. We're hiking up slopes and just grabbing onto things. And when you grab onto trees in the Amazon, they have spikes on them.

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You're worried about stepping on venomous snakes. You're worried about twisting an ankle. It was brutal travel, like level 10 hiking. And JJ made eye contact with me behind him and he was just going, this is not good.

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And so I think it was day three, we're going and we're in such... Did you go a whole day without water at all? We went with a whole day with no water whatsoever. And what's the temperature? 99 degrees full humidity.

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Oh my god. So you're like full dehydration.

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Yeah, probably a little delirious completely delirious And so we're bodies not working well, and you start making errors, right?

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You start taking bad steps because you're tired So you go I'll just step on this thing And so you step on a root that goes down you slide you hit the ground you get tangled up in vines We had we had a pack rafts as this company alpaca rafts that we had paddles sticking out of our backpacks that kept getting stuck on vines and

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And what happened, though, was as we're going through this forest, we're going, God, this is so incredibly dense. And I see this tree, this huge tree the size of this room. And I go, JJ, what tree is that? And he smiles at me, teacher to student.

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And he goes, you know why you don't know what that is? He goes, you've never seen a mature mahogany tree. Because the loggers down there, they took them all out. This forest has never been cut.

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Millions of years, the Amazon rainforest forming geologically has never been cut. And so we're going through this forest, we see jaguar tracks, ancient mahogany trees, we're seeing ironwood trees, no one's been there.

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There's not even signs of uncontacted tribes. This is a forest that no one's been through. And so right at the time, I remember we stopped for lunch, we stopped to eat the last food we have, and the problem that we were doing was, I had a compass,

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And we were getting to the top of these hills. And you know, when you look on the ocean floor and the sand makes like those geometric ripples and there's like, there's a pattern to it.

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And so we were coming to the top of a ridgeline and we were like, we don't want to go down again. And we don't want to hike up again. So we're staying on the ridgelines.

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And what that was doing was taking us a 30 degree tick to the, I think it was to the west. But that, what that was doing though, was taking us about another 20 miles off course. So we had to hit the river here, but we were going to hit over there.

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So we had to correct for course. We stopped. We're eating the last of the food we have. We drank water out of a puddle. I have a video and we're going to release all this.

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Do you have a filtration system?

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We went with nothing.

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We had our tents and our machetes. Jesus Christ.

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I have a video a video of Lex and he's looking why don't you bring a steri pen or something?

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Cuz I do everything with the local guys and they were just like, oh, it'll be fine There'll be water and we just we didn't anticipate this happening and I Lex was Crouched by this wall by this puddle with his backpack on and he's like looking at the water and he looks at me and he goes I'm gonna drink it and I said do not drink that

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I was like, please don't fucking drink that and he goes I'm gonna drink it He goes I don't care about anything else on earth right now except for water and I was like, please don't drink it Jardy is no joke. Nope.

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He stopped for lunch We did he drink it? He did not drink it. Wow No, he you know, I mean we didn't want that because now we're going if we get sick We have no sat phone no communication in the outside world.

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We're at least 30 miles from the nearest river let alone help that's a hundred miles away and Deep in the Amazon and the feeling of deep jungle that feeling of wilderness.

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I know like, you know when you're like elk hunting I'm sure you know this when you're out there and you get that feeling like this is this is out there. Yeah And uncaring uncaring.

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Yeah, you start like the ocean where it's like it doesn't matter only it's very long even when you're with people Press on you. We started getting quiet. Like we weren't having like an awesome time. We were I

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We were feeling it and so we ate like some nuts and we had nothing to wash it down with so we're just chewing on it and we got up and then we took a few steps and all of a sudden everything changed. We came out onto a road and it's a logging road.

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And JJ's face fell, I was heartbroken, Lex looked confused. What we realized was, in this ancient patch of forest, the progression of the metastasizing destruction that's moving through the Amazon forest comes in roads.

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This road, somebody had just cut a road, and they hadn't cut the ancient mahogany trees, and they hadn't cut the ironwood trees, and the wildlife was in touch, but there's a road, so they're coming. We used the road, we hiked out, we reached water,

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And this is amazing when we reached water because we just plunged into this river. We were drinking. We did have some iodine tablets. We put that in our water bottles. We drank as much as we wanted to.

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And then we had to raft for an entire day back to the place where we got picked up. But what happened? was that now we know, and this is on our river, this is where we're trying to create this corridor with jungle keepers.

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Now we know that some of the most ancient forest on earth is about to be destroyed.

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And we get back to our base, to our research station, and it just so happens that there was a client there and he was staying in that tree house, the Alta Sanctuary tree house.

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And we tell him this whole story and we're drinking and we're eating and we're, you know, we're all sunburned and bug bitten and dehydrated and our cheeks are, you know, stuck to our skulls.

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And we tell him this whole story and we go, it's going to be brutal watching this, you know, dismantled. And he goes, well, I want to help. He goes, find out how we get that land. And it hadn't really occurred to me that we could do anything about it.

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And this dude, this guy's name is Jay, and he said, he goes, I'll start you off. He goes, whatever the land costs, I'll give you 150 grand, do a fundraiser, put it public, and try and get matching donations and talk to the loggers.

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So while we set up the fundraiser, JJ, local, called up his friends who happened to own that land. His friends don't want the land. They're contracting it to loggers to get the trees out to make some money so they could just sell it off.

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We put it up on Instagram.

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We raised $150,000 in 48 hours, talked to the loggers, bought the land, and then the craziest part is that when we went there, we physically, with all the directors of drone keepers, we went to the land, and the Peruvians, the Peruvian directors sat down with the loggers, and they were like, look, we own this land now.

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It's for conservation. We're gonna save this forest. And the loggers went, that's fine, but can we still work here? And we went, what? And they said, we do this because we love it. And we went, what? They say, yeah, could we just be rangers?

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Like we see you have rangers. Could we be rangers? And we were like, yeah, you could be rangers. Yeah, you could be rangers. These dudes are over here destroying the thing they love because they have no other opportunity.

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So the fact that this is, that we now have this global network of people that care, the local people in the Amazon rainforest are trying to protect the Amazon.

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And now we have all these people all over the world because of stuff like this, because of all the work that we've been doing, that people know that

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They just, you know, with people that give $5, $10, $100 a month, we have this huge network of donors, and now we're able to get those wins. We see a threatened patch of forest, boom, we grab it.

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Hire the loggers as rangers, everybody wins, and we're saving forest. This year, since the last time I saw you, we went from 55,000 acres to almost 100,000 acres. That's one third of the way to protecting the 300,000 acres that we have to protect.

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So we're one third of the way through the goal.

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Wow.

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That's all been happening in the last month and a half. That's incredible. Miracles.

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So are you, when you're navigating, you're not using GPS, you're just using a compass?

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Yeah.

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Why?

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Commitment. What? Because, look, so I actually... Wouldn't you want the best tools for the job? I agree with you.

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And if you're in a really, so when we go out to really remote places, when you just cannot fuck around, yes, we do bring like a Garmin GPS and we have the map. Well, that sounds like you cannot fuck around if you guys are without water for two days.

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We thought we were going to go in the forest and go on a walk. 20 miles, a 20 mile hike is nothing. We do that every day.

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We did not, the reason this forest hadn't been cut was because it was up and down and up and down and denser than all the other forests, because it's fucking ancient.

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And so we discovered it and how hard it was, and that's where I'm going, holy shit, we brought Lex Friedman out here. He's gonna die. And he's gonna die. Of dehydration. And he was looking at me.

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I mean, there were so many times during the trip where he looked at me, and you could just tell he was like, fuck you, dude. Just fuck you, man.

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How do you find water? You just stumble upon it?

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I mean, from our base, you walk five minutes back into the jungle and there's a beautiful clear stream and I drink straight out of the stream. No problem. Now I wouldn't, for someone that comes to the jungle, I wouldn't say just start doing that.

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I'd say like take a sip the first day, see how your stomach goes. I've been down there 20 years, so I'm fine.

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So is it just your gut bacteria changes? Is that what it is?

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I mean, some people you take them, you know, you go to Italy and they get sick, you know, but like, you know, it's like people, fragile folk, fragile folk, you know, sunscreen and bug spray.

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But we, somebody said that too, because I posted a video of me drinking like monkey head soup and coffee out of a bowl. What? Monkey head soup We went with the locals before everybody all the PETA people freak out.

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I don't care freak out When you live with the locals when you went in Rome, right, you know if you go to someone's house and they're local they eat monkeys and so we were on a beach and some of the local guys hunted monkeys and so we woke up in the morning and they heated up the food and what we had was bowl coffee because we didn't bring cups and

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we're on a canoe right you just bring you cut your toothbrush in half to save weight and So I posted it and I was like here's cuz everybody messages me going You know, how do I get your job?

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And I was like, here's one reason why you fucking don't want my job and think you do monkey heads monkey head soup And what does monkey head soup taste like? Exactly what you think At the same time, it's not as bad as you think.

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They prefer monkeys though, right? They love monkeys. Part of the conservation strategy is just like, you know, just like we have deer tags to make sure that there's continually deer, for local indigenous communities, they want to keep eating monkeys.

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They love really yeah, so they want to keep the monkey population Manageable is that the idea if anyone to eat them eventually yes And so I would say it's kind of colonialist conservation to come in there and go well You can't eat monkeys because we think you can't but then like you go trout fishing and deer hunting that doesn't make any sense, right?

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But it's like monkeys are too closely related to us It's like the people that this one thing that I've noticed people that get upset about hunting don't necessarily get upset about fishing Or don't get upset about a piece of fish

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Like if you put a plate of Salmon, yeah, you know like oh, this is my lunch today.

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Everybody's like oh, that's healthy salmon Yeah, but if you have a picture of a salmon people get a little upset, but if you have like a steak People don't get too upset, but if you have like a dead deer people get very upset

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And forget, yeah. I mean, it's very weird.

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Disconnected.

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I think yesterday, sometime this week, I posted a video. We were out, and I was with, again, some Machiganga natives, and we caught a yellow catfish.

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And their daughter, who's three, three and a half years old, now, you're out somewhere where there's no refrigeration, you have a two-hour boat ride back, what do you do?

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You put the fish in the bottom of the boat with a little bit of water, and you let it stay alive, right? Just enough to keep its gills going until you get back. Because if you kill it, as soon as you catch it, it'll go back.

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Right, it starts rotting. Yeah.

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And so this girl picked up the fish and she's hugging it. The comments on this, the vegans went crazy. People were like, I'm unfollowing you, that's disgusting. This girl's excited because she's going to eat.

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She lives out in the jungle eating nothing but rice and yucca. Like if she didn't get that fish, she's going to get malnutrition.

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Yeah, well, people are just so accustomed to supermarkets. They're so delusional about where your food comes from. It's a fascinating thing.

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And vegans are probably the worst at it, because if they really, on the ground level, understood monocrop agriculture, which is what supplies most of your food, they would be horrified.

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They'd be horrified at industrial pesticides and herbicides and all the shit that we put in the soil. How many small animals get murdered in the process?

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Well, you've got to clear space for a farm, right?

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You not only have to clear space, you have to kill groundhogs and ground squirrels and anything that's in the way, anything that's going to eat your crops.

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Well, in the jungle, that's what they're doing. All this burning, all this Amazon fires shit that goes on every year is people coming in and 60% of it is for beef, but the other percent of it is for papaya and corn and cacao.

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I see a lot of stuff where they're like, oh, sustainable cacao from the Amazon. I'm like... How is it sustainable cacao from the Amazon you cut down an ecosystem and trees that have thousands of species living on them, right?

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It's not and so it's sustainable.

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Yeah, it was one of those words like organic people like to throw it on the package I mean, that's like that a peel stuff. They call that organic, you know, you know that is no it's this coating that they put on vegetables and fruit to keep it

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from going bad. The wax? Well, it's some weird... What's the ingredients of A-Peel? See, like, part of it is quote-unquote organic, but they don't tell you what the actual ingredients are.

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A-Peel is a plant-based coating that's applied to fruits and vegetables to help them stay fresh longer. Seems normal, right? Like, yeah, it's plant-based. But what's in there?

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It's a commonly found organic apples, but you're supposed to wash it off with soap and water Like we were reading that if you have an avocado what?

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So we're in elk camp and we're reading about this stuff because we had Starlink Starlink is fucking amazing. That's how we do it Dude, it's it's like the size of this cigar box.

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I know you put it down on the ground and you get fucking high-speed internet in the middle of nowhere So we're reading that they were saying that to Take it off of avocados.

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You dunk the avocado in boiling water for 10 seconds and then rinse it off What are you talking about? What's in this stuff? Also, nobody knows that I don't know that and Right, so I come up here. I'm eating that shit. Exactly.

00:20:54 Speaker_03
Most people are just gonna eat the apple They're not gonna wash it off with soap and water.

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But the thing is like they're saying it's plant-based and organically That's that's the thing like sustainable these words that people use that make you feel okay about what's going on But I mean, I don't even know what the fuck is in there

00:21:11 Speaker_06
A brush.

00:21:12 Speaker_03
A brush? Scrub it. Do you scrub your apples? What the fuck are you talking about?

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Why are you putting something on the apple that I need to scrub? It says you can only remove it 100% by peeling it off.

00:21:23 Speaker_02
Oh my god. Of an apple? Because the apple's like, you want to eat this.

00:21:28 Speaker_03
Click on that, how to wash, remove, a peel coating, vegetable coating. Let's see if we can watch a video. It'll show us how to do it.

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Let's see, which one do you want to pick?

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Uh, let's go with the first one. That lady, she's, so she's peeling it. Why do you peel produce?

00:21:47 Speaker_02
But isn't a lot of the nutrients in the skin?

00:21:48 Speaker_03
See the next slide. Wax and peel. So this is different though. This is wax. This is, that's carnauba wax. That's like normal. But a peel is a new product. And it's one of those, yeah, okay, let's see what this lady has to talk. Let's talk about a peel.

00:22:04 Speaker_03
I don't like her earrings. But let's listen to her.

00:22:07 Speaker_00
And reduce the use of plastic. This compound uses plant material to make monoglycerides and diglycerides, aka fats, a fat coating on fruits and vegetables. The intent, less plastic, amazing, longer shelf life, fabulous, but at what human cost.

00:22:27 Speaker_00
These fats are extracted from plants using ethyl acetate and heptane. In the chemical process to make these fats, they add ingredients that contain heavy metals.

00:22:38 Speaker_03
Oh great.

00:22:39 Speaker_00
Not all fats that come from plants are safe for human consumption. Generally speaking, olive oil comes from plants and it's healthy.

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Canola oil, rapeseed oil, cottonseed oil are fats that come from plants but not healthy, they cause a lot of inflammation. It all depends on how the fats were extracted and how the chemical compound was created.

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And this time, there's no human trials to show what happens to humans who consume fruits and vegetables with a peel on them on a regular basis.

00:23:08 Speaker_03
Oh, great.

00:23:09 Speaker_05
Keep going.

00:23:10 Speaker_03
Yeah. Why would there be human trials on something that people eat? And it's all over supermarkets.

00:23:14 Speaker_02
But there's a lot of stuff coming out right now about the safety of our food. Oh, yeah. I keep hearing about this. It keeps showing up.

00:23:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, well, there was a big hearing in front of the Senate that Brigham Bueller, who was on yesterday, he was talking about it, you know, in front of all these representatives, and they're trying to explain what the system is and how fucked it is and how there's most of these European countries and Canada, there's a lot of ingredients, particularly dyes that we use.

00:23:41 Speaker_03
Like, you know, he was talking about how Lucky Charms that you buy in America, You can't sell it in Canada. They have to sell completely different Lucky Charms in Canada, because Canada doesn't allow all these dyes, because they're toxic.

00:23:54 Speaker_02
Oh, this is the super bright color thing.

00:23:55 Speaker_03
Yeah.

00:23:56 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:23:56 Speaker_03
Those are toxic dyes, and we allow them, because we want people to—and there's also a bunch of other ingredients that make the food more addictive. Those are in our food supplies, and some of them are illegal in other countries.

00:24:10 Speaker_03
It's not good and there's it seems like the way he was describing.

00:24:14 Speaker_03
It's like the FDA is just completely overwhelmed and they You know and then there's companies are just pushing this stuff through and it's it's kind of like the way we described it yesterday It's like a hoarder's house. Like how do you clean this up?

00:24:27 Speaker_03
Like you get into a hoarder's house like oh Where we fucking start that's what our food systems like our food systems like a hoarder's house and

00:24:35 Speaker_02
Well, I heard that guy. I don't remember his name.

00:24:37 Speaker_02
There's he was like, he's a venture capitalist in the last week You guys were talking about He was saying that like when he travels abroad he can eat whatever he wants And then when he comes back to the u.s. He puts on weight.

00:24:48 Speaker_03
Yes, and Those Chamath.

00:24:50 Speaker_02
Yeah. Yeah, that was a great one He was he was incredibly intelligent and and then I was looking up something something else popped up where they were saying that the bread in in like Subway sandwiches is considered cake in Europe.

00:25:02 Speaker_02
Yeah because of the sugar content

00:25:03 Speaker_03
Yeah, some countries consider it cake because it's it's mostly it's like it's fucking It's bullshit.

00:25:10 Speaker_03
Yeah, we have bullshit food and you know, I don't eat most that stuff But if you do you're gonna be really unhealthy and most people aren't educated, you know It took me a long time to understand this stuff and mostly I mean I tried to eat healthy before that but mostly through the podcast and talking to people getting an understanding of how bad the stuff really is for you and then experimenting with diet and watching how much better my body felt and

00:25:33 Speaker_03
And seeing my friends who don't do it and they just look like hell and you're mostly carnivore now. Yeah Yeah, mostly fruits and mostly meat and fruits.

00:25:43 Speaker_03
Yeah, I mean, I hardly eat any vegetables at all, but I don't avoid them Yeah, like if I want if I go out to dinner and I want to have a Caesar salad or something I'll eat it It doesn't seem to bother me.

00:25:54 Speaker_03
But what does seem to bother me is pasta pasta and breads really hit home They really wreck me but not in Europe Went to Italy last summer, had pasta, had pizza, no problem at all. There's a bunch of things that we do. Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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explained a lot of it, so did Gary Brekka, he explained a lot of it. One of them is enriched flour, what's so-called enriched flour, it contains a bunch of If you You can get more weed out of it.

00:26:38 Speaker_03
So because of that, it has more complex glutens, makes it more difficult for your body to process.

00:26:43 Speaker_03
And then on top of that, the big one may be, there's a lot of speculation about this, but there's some serious evidence that most people who eat the common American diet, what was it, the number of the people that had Roundup in their system?

00:26:57 Speaker_03
So glyphosate. Yeah, glyphosate is a really powerful pesticide that they spray on all kinds of different plants. And I think it's somewhere in the neighborhood of 90% of people tested had glyphosate in their system. Roundup.

00:27:14 Speaker_02
Yeah, roundup in their blood. So stuff you spray to just kill everything.

00:27:15 Speaker_03
Exactly. And it's illegal in some countries, and should be illegal in America. But the problem is, if you make it illegal, how are these monocrop agriculture companies going to function? OK, it's 80%. It's 87% of children. 87% of children.

00:27:28 Speaker_03
So this is 2022. I would imagine this goes up every year. 80% of Americans have Roundup in their urine. That is so crazy. That's so dangerous.

00:27:39 Speaker_02
That's terrible.

00:27:40 Speaker_03
And it's also fairly new in terms of human history. I mean, I think Roundup has only been around since the, is it the 90s? When did Roundup, when did glyphosate started becoming ubiquitous on, on crops? It's fucking dangerous, man.

00:27:58 Speaker_03
Because we're rolling the dice. A lot of the stuff that people eat causes long-term health consequences.

00:28:04 Speaker_03
And so when you're dealing with short-term stuff, like stuff that's only been around for five, six years, it takes a long time before you figure out what's happening.

00:28:13 Speaker_03
So 74, Roundup, which contains active ingredients, glyphosate, was first introduced to commercial agriculture in 74. So scroll down so we can see when it ramps up. So 74, okay, wasn't widely used until 96. That's what I read.

00:28:31 Speaker_03
So Monsanto began selling genetically modified seeds that were resistant to Roundup. This allowed farmers to spray their entire crop beds with Roundup without risking losing their crop. It's an herbicide, right? Yeah, okay. Not a pesticide, an herbicide.

00:28:45 Speaker_03
But it's fucking terrible for you. Terrible. And 80% of people have it in their blood.

00:28:51 Speaker_02
Roundup, microplastics, DDT. And then, what was it? I think it was during the gold rush times that everybody was using lead to replug cans after they opened them.

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And then, you know, thousands of people died from lead poisoning before they figured it out.

00:29:05 Speaker_03
Shane Gillis has a great joke about George Washington. George Washington's dentures were made out of lead. That's why George Washington was such a fucking psycho.

00:29:13 Speaker_02
Lead poisoning. He wasn't brave. He was just insane.

00:29:18 Speaker_03
I read that when they were talking about the amount of plastic that people find, like most men have plastic in their sperm, plastic in their testicles, you have plastic in your brain, and a lot of that plastic is the plastic that's derived from PVC.

00:29:34 Speaker_03
So it's coming from water pipes. I thought our water pipes are metal. Some water pipes are metal, but when I used to do construction, we did a lot of houses where they used PVC pipes. A lot of PVC pipes underneath kitchen sinks and stuff.

00:29:49 Speaker_03
So all that stuff, when water's going through that, you're picking up these little particles of plastic. And those little particles of plastic, you cook your food in it, you drink a glass of water from the tap.

00:30:00 Speaker_03
all that stuff is getting you plastic and then there's cooking in microwave you know if you have like one of those things you lift up and you have a piece of plastic over the lid and you cook microwave like and it's in a plastic bowl that's all fucking getting into your body that's all getting in your blood

00:30:16 Speaker_02
Well, I scared myself with that because we had plastic cups on an expedition and we boiled coffee and then I poured it into the plastic cup and I was like, we gotta stop doing this. So we started bringing like metal and glass cups on expeditions.

00:30:27 Speaker_03
Obviously, they make stuff for campers that you can get, you know, and that's why we switch these steel cups here. We used to just go through so many bottles of water. I was like, this is fucked.

00:30:37 Speaker_03
So we bought a filtration system and started using steel cups. But this whole thing in America, one of the things we talked about yesterday with Brigham is the Make America Healthy Again movement, which is Robert Kennedy Jr.

00:30:53 Speaker_03
and a bunch of other folks that are involved in this. And it's exciting that this is gaining steam because people are concerned about their health, and they are concerned about,

00:31:02 Speaker_03
all the different chemicals that are in your fucking food but the problem is now that's been attached to right-wing ideology so people are calling people that are interested in that far-right people and it's just you're worried about food safety yeah it's nuts man but it's just because it's attached to trump

00:31:19 Speaker_03
It's because the Trump administration, you know, make America great again, and also make America healthy again with Robert Kennedy Jr. He's involved in that. So people are just labeling that as some sort of alt-right fuckery and woo-woo bullshit.

00:31:33 Speaker_03
And it's not. It's fucking dangerous for all of us. We really need to wake up.

00:31:37 Speaker_02
Isn't it also true, though, that in America, at least, like, the poorest people are usually the ones with the worst diets?

00:31:43 Speaker_03
Absolutely.

00:31:43 Speaker_02
So, I mean, you've naturally progressed towards going, okay, so I eat elk and I eat vegetables and I care about where I get my stuff from, but people that aren't able to make that decision, that would seem to me, there's certain things where you go, shouldn't we all agree on this?

00:31:58 Speaker_02
Food safety, shouldn't we just all agree with this? I don't understand how that becomes political. When it comes to nature conservation, I never understood how that, you know, I'm like,

00:32:07 Speaker_03
All these things can be solved and this is what's fucked It's like we have so much money to solve other countries problems, and we don't have any money to solve our own health problems That's very strange It's it's very short-sighted and very bizarre and we need to do something about it when we need to do something about it now It's just it's it's really scary

00:32:26 Speaker_03
When you think that if this unchecked happens, these corporations will continue to sell you things that are very bad for you if they're profitable, as long as they're not penalized for it.

00:32:38 Speaker_03
And I guarantee you, those people that know that, the people that are involved, they probably don't eat any of that shit.

00:32:44 Speaker_02
That's like Steve Jobs. I don't know if it's true. I heard that Steve Jobs wouldn't give his kids screens. Yeah. They know.

00:32:50 Speaker_03
People, you go to restaurants, you see little kids with an iPad sitting on a tray just standing there so their parents can have a conversation. The kid's just like hypnotized by some fucking cartoon.

00:33:00 Speaker_02
Kids are swiping before they're talking. They know this motion. Oh, yeah. They got that finger out.

00:33:04 Speaker_03
Yeah, they try to do it to magazines. You ever see little kids try to do that?

00:33:07 Speaker_02
I saw a kid try to expand a magazine.

00:33:12 Speaker_03
I think I did that once.

00:33:13 Speaker_02
I was just hanging out with a baby and I was like, look at this picture. And I showed him a book and he put his hands on it and he went, and I was like, nah, it doesn't work.

00:33:19 Speaker_03
Like I went, I think I almost did that once. I think I looked at a magazine. I brought my hand up. What the fuck are you doing?

00:33:26 Speaker_02
Yeah. My thing is, uh, the worst thing that I've done recently is I didn't have, I, you know, I start doing activities without my phone on me and I like, I went for a run and I saw something cool and I was like, Oh, I need to take a picture of that.

00:33:37 Speaker_02
And I was like, how? Just the idea that I couldn't take a picture of something had become something that I forgot about. I take a picture of everything. I probably take 400 pictures a day. I'm like, I like that logo. Bang. I like that street. Bang.

00:33:50 Speaker_03
It's cool to be able to do it, but now we're also inundated with images.

00:33:57 Speaker_03
all over the world and a lot of them are horrific events which is the things that people are trying to capture the most so it's like every day like what what's going on today like there's right now iran is bombing israel So there's missiles.

00:34:12 Speaker_03
Do you know about this? Nope. It's fucking terrifying, dude. It's on like Donkey Kong right now. See if you can get some of the footage. Iran is launching hundreds of missiles at Israel.

00:34:23 Speaker_03
And there was a mass shooting, some sort of a terror attack in Tel Aviv today as well. So there's some sort of coordinated attack on Israel.

00:34:33 Speaker_03
Obviously, Israel just did that stuff with Hezbollah, where they blew up the pagers and blew up walkie-talkies and killed a bunch of people. shot a bunch of bombs into Lebanon, and it's all getting very, very scary.

00:34:48 Speaker_03
It's all ramping up in a fucking terrifying way. But this video, it also shows that the Iron Dome, Israel's famous missile defense system, it doesn't seem to be catching all of them.

00:35:00 Speaker_03
I mean, if you have enough launched your way at the same time, some of them are going to sneak through. So this is what it looks like right now. It's fucking crazy. These are all missiles, man, flying. at Israel. Jeez. Yeah, it's fucking terrifying.

00:35:16 Speaker_02
And the Iron Dome.

00:35:17 Speaker_03
This isn't even the best video. The video that I was seeing was them impacting.

00:35:23 Speaker_02
And the Iron Dome is basically a system to shoot them out of the sky?

00:35:26 Speaker_03
Yes. So this is where you see the Iron Dome is working. So when they blow up, that's the Iron Dome.

00:35:32 Speaker_03
So what it is, is they find the trajectory of these missiles, the ones that are going to open area, they let them slip through, because it's not going to harm anything, and then like those, those are hitting down.

00:35:43 Speaker_03
But the ones that are going into the city area, they shoot down. And you know, I don't know how many missiles they have to do this. I mean, you'd have to have fucking thousands on standby.

00:35:56 Speaker_03
Because if they just launch enough at you, you're not going to have enough missiles.

00:36:01 Speaker_05
It's like it's launched 180 ballistic missiles.

00:36:04 Speaker_03
Wow. Imagine being in a city you see a hundred and eighty missiles coming at you.

00:36:09 Speaker_02
I don't know how people live continuously in Areas where there's war zones like I know like my friend Matt Gutman from ABC News like he works there And I've seen him running through the streets and doing that hard-hitting stuff, but there's also just people getting their groceries Yeah, they're like yeah, man.

00:36:24 Speaker_02
This happens every day like I have friends that live in Israel

00:36:26 Speaker_03
Human beings are very adaptable, unfortunately. Well, fortunately, because that's why we're still here. Yeah, but unfortunately, we get accustomed to some pretty horrific conditions. And that's that's what people are accustomed to.

00:36:37 Speaker_03
I mean, imagine living in Gaza. Imagine that you you were living in a place where literally a year ago today, it was fine. It was was normal.

00:36:47 Speaker_02
Yeah.

00:36:48 Speaker_03
And then now it's rubble. And there's 10s of 1000s of people dead.

00:36:52 Speaker_02
And that's an example of what you're saying about seeing these images all the time.

00:36:56 Speaker_02
I remember when that popped off, and I'm a big believer in, you pick one thing that, for most people, unless you're Elon or somebody that can have a bunch of different things going on, but for most of us, you gotta live your life, and you gotta pick one thing that you can help.

00:37:10 Speaker_02
For a lot of people, that's your family. For me, I've dedicated myself to protecting the Amazon. When it comes to everything else, like when I start opening my phone, I remember this.

00:37:19 Speaker_02
I was at my friend's house and it was 7 o'clock in the morning and I opened my phone and it was a picture of a guy lifting his dead baby with a crushed skull. And I threw my phone across the room and it ruined my whole day.

00:37:34 Speaker_02
And how do like I it's it's absolutely horrific and I have become become a person that really shields myself from a lot of what's going on because the Hysteria levels right now. Yeah, I don't think like even World War two times.

00:37:50 Speaker_02
Okay, Pearl Harbor just hit off and people like wow, this is crazy But, but I don't think you were inundated with it all day long. You read the newspaper, you talk to a few people and then you're like, all right, well, cool.

00:37:58 Speaker_02
I got to go get Johnny from school and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:38:00 Speaker_03
Right. You didn't see it on your phone 24-7 all day long.

00:38:04 Speaker_02
Israel's popping off. The South is getting flooded. You know, the Amazon's burning. Everything is happening all at once and it's all coming through on the screen.

00:38:12 Speaker_03
So this says Iran launches a missile attack on Israel, but Israeli military says no casualties reported.

00:38:17 Speaker_03
So I guess that was the thing that we're saying that the Iron Dome, when they know that something's going to go to an open area where there's no one there, they don't even bother wasting a missile on that. A U.S.

00:38:27 Speaker_03
defense official said the United States intercepted some of the missiles to help defend Israel. So we're over there too doing that? The IDF is doing and will do everything necessary to protect the civilians of the state of Israel.

00:38:39 Speaker_03
The Israeli military said in a statement, warning people in the country to stay in shelters. The explosions you hear originate from interceptions or falls of missiles. The air defense system detects and intercepts threats all the time.

00:38:53 Speaker_03
So what happened in Tel Aviv today, Jamie? There was some sort of mass shooting in Tel Aviv that coincided with this. Which is really scary. You know, it's like what they experienced on October 7th.

00:39:11 Speaker_03
Okay, fucking ads at least eight dead and suspected terror attack shooting in Tel Aviv. So they even, oh so, Jesus Christ. Scroll down to that image. So some dude's just, just gunning people down.

00:39:30 Speaker_03
Deadly ordeal unfolded when two gunmen jumped off a train in central Israeli city of Jaffa and started firing at just 7 p.m. local, just after 7 p.m. local time according to authorities. Eight killed, at least seven wounded.

00:39:44 Speaker_03
And you know, a lot of people, look at that guy's dead right there. A lot of people there are armed too, which is fucking crazy.

00:39:52 Speaker_02
Civilians.

00:39:53 Speaker_03
Yeah, just walk around Hot girls and in in Israel like you can see him at a coffee shop with the fucking no with an AR off a rifle sling Yeah, there's like a bunch of videos of them because so many of these people you have mandatory military service in Israel Yeah that so all the civilians have to There's no civilians.

00:40:15 Speaker_03
Like everyone is at least a former soldier.

00:40:16 Speaker_02
You got to be ready, right?

00:40:18 Speaker_03
Yeah, you have to be.

00:40:18 Speaker_02
If I saw shit like that in the sky.

00:40:19 Speaker_03
These hot girls walking on the street with machine guns. Hot girls with machine guns. How nuts. But that's just the world they live in. And they're just hanging out. Yep. As a baby. Right. I mean, look, she has cute shoes on. At any moment, it could pop off.

00:40:34 Speaker_03
And so they don't fuck around. They just stay strapped. They don't just stay strapped. They stay strapped with fucking weapons of war. Those are no joke.

00:40:42 Speaker_02
Yeah, those are no joke. That ain't a six shooter.

00:40:44 Speaker_03
No, she's got a gigantic magazine. She probably got spare magazines. Yeah, and she probably knows how to shoot it She was in the military uses it.

00:40:51 Speaker_02
Yeah, so it's men and women man.

00:40:52 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah Yeah, women have to join them Israeli military as well. Look they're surrounded I mean, this is this is something that's very different.

00:41:01 Speaker_02
It's very different than us Well, I think that one of the problems that I see with us is I think that people have forgotten Like I grew up with the World War two generation all the all my old uncle said I was growing up Paulie like, you know, these are guys that had

00:41:14 Speaker_02
you know, either stormed beaches in the South Pacific or were in Europe. And so World War II was fresh on their minds. It was part of the culture I grew up in.

00:41:22 Speaker_02
And I think when I look at kids born, you know, 9, 11 and down or later, I think we've forgotten the fact that safety is a huge privilege.

00:41:34 Speaker_04
Oh, yeah.

00:41:34 Speaker_02
We grow up safe. Like some of the people, the things that they're screaming about or worried about or whatever else, it's like some unity would happen from remembering the fact that That's a reality.

00:41:44 Speaker_03
We've had so few attacks on American soil. You know, you have Pearl Harbor, which is kind of America. You know, Hawaii should be its own country. I mean, it's kind of fucked that we own Hawaii.

00:41:57 Speaker_03
I mean, I guess it's good that Hawaii gets the protections of the United States, but it's kind of crazy that it's five hours by airplane over the ocean until you get to Hawaii, and that's considered America.

00:42:09 Speaker_03
But I mean, I don't know how they feel about it. I'm assuming they'd probably like to have sovereignty. But the point is, like, that was World War Two. So that was Pearl Harbor. That's an attack on American soil. What's after that? It's 9-11. That's crazy.

00:42:23 Speaker_03
Like, we are so used to being safe. Whereas you think of even Russia, what Russia went through, the losses that Russia went through during World War II, absolutely fucking horrific. And they've done that throughout history.

00:42:40 Speaker_03
There's been conflicts throughout history in Russia. Now you go into any other part of the world. I saw something terrible today. Some fucking workers at the Great Wall of China. They didn't want to go the long way around the wall.

00:42:56 Speaker_03
So they broke down a section of the Great Wall of China so they could drive through it. Did they have machinery? Did they have sledgehammers? Yeah, they were doing fucking construction work out there, so they just broke down the Great Wall. Jail.

00:43:12 Speaker_03
Oh, they're going to get worse than jail. China. Yeah. They're going to turn you into a fucking suitcase.

00:43:16 Speaker_01
I mean, that's terrible. That's terrible.

00:43:21 Speaker_03
They'll make you make iPhones for 20 years, and then they're going to turn you into a jacket.

00:43:25 Speaker_01
That's terrible.

00:43:26 Speaker_03
It's fucking horrible man. It's and it's it's I mean people are just so gross like imagine That mahogany tree that you saw like look at these assholes.

00:43:35 Speaker_03
They broke through the great wall Chinese construction workers accused of plowing a hole through the great wall

00:43:41 Speaker_02
Monsters dude this reminds me there was a there was this I hated this story There was a beautiful tree between these two hills.

00:43:47 Speaker_02
I think it was in the UK or Ireland I think it was the UK and like a 16 year old went out with a chainsaw and just cut this tree down It was this iconic tree and no one could figure it out for two days And he just went and cut it down.

00:43:57 Speaker_02
It's just like man just

00:43:59 Speaker_03
Yeah, people are gross people are gross and we all people are also very Short-sighted and sometimes don't even understand the consequences of what they're doing.

00:44:08 Speaker_02
They just do things, you know, I Normally I would agree with you. I just think I think the world that I've been living in is the past year. So I've been in in rooms and out in the wild with so many incredible people.

00:44:23 Speaker_02
And I think that more than ever, people, I agree, we're moments away from disaster in any given capacity. But there's also we're also alive at a time in history where people are more considerate than they've ever been.

00:44:36 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think so too. Right. Yeah, I think there's just, you're going to get everything, right? You're going to get people that are willing to launch missiles at Israel. You're going to get people that are willing to chop down ancient mahogany trees.

00:44:47 Speaker_03
And then you get people like you that dedicate your life to saving the rainforest. It's one of the cool things about people because it makes people like you so much more exceptional. It makes people so much more interesting because it's rare.

00:44:58 Speaker_03
And then someone dedicating their entire life to doing what you've done is even more rare. And that's part of the cool thing about people.

00:45:05 Speaker_03
I think, and it's a horrible thing to say, but I think it's unfortunately true, you need evil to appreciate good. You need hate to appreciate love.

00:45:15 Speaker_03
It's just a part of the way the human mind and our just overall psychology is the way we operate in the world. It's unfortunate, but it's a part of being a person.

00:45:28 Speaker_03
hate and anger and destruction actually motivates love and construction and progress and doing things correct and recognizing what can happen if you do things the wrong way. Let's do things the right way.

00:45:42 Speaker_03
It's like organic farming, like people changing their farms to regenerative agricultural farms is coming out of people who are looking at these industrial monocrop agriculture farms and the waste that it produces, which is legal, the waste that it produces in river systems.

00:45:58 Speaker_03
It's fucking insane. There's a guy that we've had on, his name is Will Harris, and Will is from this farm in Georgia called White Oaks Pastures. It's a regenerative farm.

00:46:11 Speaker_03
He got this farm, it's a family-owned farm, they've had it forever, and it took him years to change this farm from an industrial farm to regenerative agriculture.

00:46:22 Speaker_03
But there's a section of the river near his property where his property line meets his neighbor. So his neighbor has an industrial farm and he has regenerative agriculture. And you can see it in the river. There's a clear line of differentiation.

00:46:39 Speaker_03
Look at that.

00:46:41 Speaker_02
I'm guessing his is the clear one.

00:46:42 Speaker_03
Yes shit all that stuff so most of these Farmlands the topsoil is gone. There's not whoa Jesus. There's no minerals. There's no nutrients.

00:46:54 Speaker_03
There's no nothing and so you have to use industrial strength fertilizers you have to lose all this garbage and bullshit and so that stuff is It just sits on the top.

00:47:06 Speaker_03
And so when the rain comes and when they spray the crops and water the crops, the runoff goes right in the river. So these poor fish are just getting fucking choked to death on all this shit.

00:47:19 Speaker_03
And then there's the pesticides and the herbicides and whatever the fuck they're spraying.

00:47:24 Speaker_02
And this guy's trying to turn it around. He's trying to do the right thing.

00:47:28 Speaker_03
That's not Will.

00:47:28 Speaker_02
Okay.

00:47:29 Speaker_03
I don't know who that gentleman is, I think he works at Will, but he's explaining how bad the situation is that comes off of these other farms. So the left is what the creek's supposed to look like, the right is what happens, and no consequences.

00:47:44 Speaker_03
You should be in trouble for this, right? Like, hey, you can't run your farm this way. Is this what happens when you run your farm this way? Stop the farm. Okay, we got to figure out how to do this the right way.

00:47:54 Speaker_03
Is there a way for your water to look like the water is six inches away? Is there a way? Well, that's the only way you can make farming. So in Russia, organic, they don't even allow genetically modified crops anymore.

00:48:07 Speaker_02
Really?

00:48:07 Speaker_03
No. Putin is like, this is bullshit. This should be illegal. When you're a dictator, you can do stuff like that.

00:48:15 Speaker_02
But that's a fundamental thing. If you go to a building with a sledgehammer or to the Great Wall of China and you start messing with it, you're going to get in trouble.

00:48:24 Speaker_02
And it seems like you can cut down forests, pollute the rivers, dump shit in the ocean, and for the most part, It's okay. No one's really gonna come after you.

00:48:33 Speaker_03
And we can do a lot less of that, too. There's another issue. Commoditizing hemp. A lot of the stuff that we cut trees down for is paper. Let's Google, in America, how many acres of trees are cut down every year for paper.

00:48:53 Speaker_03
So, the demonization of the recreational drug cannabis came entirely from hemp, the commodity. It wasn't about the drug being bad. No, people had consumed that drug for thousands of years. It's one of the safest drugs in terms of risk profile.

00:49:16 Speaker_03
The LD50 of marijuana is nuts.

00:49:18 Speaker_02
What's the LD50?

00:49:19 Speaker_03
LD50 is lethal dose at 50%.

00:49:21 Speaker_02
Can you lethal dose yourself with marijuana?

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I used to have a joke about it. The only way you die from marijuana is if they drop a bundle of it from a CIA drug plane and it hits you in the head. You can do stupid things. It could wind up getting killed. You can abuse everything, right?

00:49:38 Speaker_03
You certainly abuse marijuana. And by the way, I want to say marijuana is not totally safe. Everybody thinks it's totally safe. No, it's not.

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There's certain people that have a tendency towards schizophrenia, and high dose marijuana has been proven to cause schizophrenic breaks in people. Alex Berenson wrote a book about it, it's called Tell Your Children, and I agree with him.

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I've met people that have had schizophrenic breaks from marijuana. 40% of the world's industrial logging goes into making paper. This is expected to reach 50% in the near future. U.S.

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uses approximately 68 million trees each year to produce paper and paper products. Worldwide consumption of paper has risen by 400% in the last 40 years, with 35% of the harvested trees being used for paper manufacture. That's crazy.

00:50:25 Speaker_02
Crazy and you're saying hemp could grow fast like grow faster.

00:50:29 Speaker_03
That's actually Renewable. Yeah, like that term that people like to throw around Renewable, that's actually renewable.

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It grows like a weed because it kind of is a weed my friend Todd it used to have a like a stalk of a mature hemp plant on his desk and

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And it's about this thick around like if that was a piece of oak it would be really heavy, but it's hard like this table Which is oak, but it's light hemp like styrofoam. It's light like balsa wood balsa, but it's hard so it has incredible

00:51:03 Speaker_03
Power like in its fibers its fibers are extremely unusual. So they make the most durable clothing Like canvas the word canvas comes from cannabis, but is this weed itself? Like no you have like a weed plant.

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It's not well you can it's the same thing, but you can also grow strains of it that are not psychoactive at all It's just a similar, same family. So they weren't growing it as a commodity for drug consumption. They were growing it to make paper.

00:51:34 Speaker_03
See, this is what happened. I'm taking you down the dark conspiracy of Marijuana Road. What happened is, in the 1930s, they invented a machine called the decorticator.

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And what the decorticator did was it allowed you to effectively process hemp fiber easily and quickly.

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So when Eli Whitney came out with the cotton gin, now all of a sudden, cotton became a very easy cloth to use, and people started wearing cotton ubiquitously, right? Well, what they used to use was hemp, because hemp is way more durable.

00:52:08 Speaker_03
I mean, crazy difference. Like, I have a hemp jiu-jitsu gi made by Datsu Sara, and you can't rip this motherfucker. Like, you grab it, and I've had, one of my gis is like eight years old.

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But if I have a cotton gi, eight years in, that shit's torn apart. So the only thing that goes on those things are the threads. I guess you could make hemp threads. I don't even know if they do. But the point is, it's far more durable.

00:52:34 Speaker_03
As a paper, it's a far superior paper. Far superior like it's much tougher. It's tough to like I've had paper Demonstrate to me like it's hard to rip man. Yeah crazy. It's weird.

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It's a fucking alien plant it really is and When they invented this decorticator well William Randolph Hearst who also owned Hearst publications who also own paper mills and Scientific America had on the cover of their magazine hemp the new billion-dollar crop

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And it showed Decorticator to them. It was all when they invented this thing. So the propaganda to stop the industry of hemp from exploding. DuPont came out with a chemical composition for nylon. They were going to use nylon for ropes.

00:53:20 Speaker_03
Hemp is what they always use for ropes. Hemp's what they use for sails. So that's a Decorticator. That looks like a modern one.

00:53:26 Speaker_02
It doesn't look too complicated either.

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Well, it's basically like a wheel with some teeth to it, and it grinds the shit out of the hemp. And what they used to use back in the day was slave labor.

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So slave labor and poor people would have to do all this incredibly back-breaking work to break down the fibers because they're so tough and durable. Well, then they invented this machine.

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And once this machine got rolling, they're like, oh shit, let's start using hemp because it's way better. So all this forest cutting down shit is completely unnecessary.

00:54:01 Speaker_02
And it's because a paper guy wanted it.

00:54:03 Speaker_03
One hundred percent. And a paper guy in the 1930s. And so he got together with Harry Anslinger and they utilized all these people that they were using to make alcohol illegal. The probe.

00:54:15 Speaker_03
Excuse me, the prohibitionists during the time where they were going after, you know, whiskey manufacturers and gin makers and these moonshine people, which is where NASCAR came from, by the way. NASCAR came out of moonshiners.

00:54:28 Speaker_02
Driving quick.

00:54:28 Speaker_03
Yeah, they needed a souped up car. So they took those people who were just arresting people all over the country for alcohol, and then they sicked them on them on marijuana. And marijuana was never the term for cannabis.

00:54:43 Speaker_03
Marijuana was a slang term for a wild Mexican tobacco, a totally different plant. So William Randolph Hearst starts printing articles in his paper about Mexicans and black guys who are smoking this new drug, marijuana, and raping white women.

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And then they fund Reefer Madness and they fund these movies, these propaganda films.

00:55:04 Speaker_02
And that's where that comes from.

00:55:06 Speaker_03
All that comes from hemp. It all comes from the commodity, from them having this interest in paper. Research suggests that hemp is twice as effective as trees at absorbing and locking up carbon.

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So hemp is one of the fastest growing plants in the world. It can grow 4 meters high in 100 days. So in 100 days, you have a new crop. It's the best fucking thing we can grow for paper, which is 40% of all the trees we're chopping down.

00:55:39 Speaker_03
And it takes forever. Have you ever been to old growth forests in the Pacific Northwest where they do logging?

00:55:45 Speaker_03
Well, you've been to the Amazon you've seen though the worst slash-and-burn art But but the point is if you go to these cut places these places where they cut the trees they grow new trees They plant new trees there, but it takes forever.

00:55:58 Speaker_02
I mean, so how old is the Sequoia tree? Thousands of years

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There's I see those pictures that I can't remember this dude's name He put he takes a picture with the trees before the loggers come through and I mean trees, you know double the size Yes, and then he has this picture with the tree after and it's a fucking heart.

00:56:16 Speaker_03
It's a horrible It's horrible that we can just walk up to something that's a thousand years old and make a fucking basket out of it Like this is unnecessary. It's totally unnecessary. And it could, well, it can all be mitigated.

00:56:32 Speaker_03
This can all be mitigated. All of it can. You know, the real problem is hardwoods. You know, hardwoods are very, very valuable and people like them and, you know, and they're protected in some places and not others.

00:56:44 Speaker_03
Like in California, if you have oak trees, you can't chop them down unless you get a permit. Like we had a tree that was about to fall on our house. And it's like, it's like,

00:56:53 Speaker_03
It's on the way go and you know California the earth tends to shake a little bit a little bit things go sideways and your fucking house gets crushed by a tree, but you know you have to there's we have to figure out how our desire for hardwood

00:57:08 Speaker_03
like the source of that hardwood, if your desire for a beautiful mahogany table, they're beautiful, gorgeous, look at your desk, amazing, but if you could go to the Amazon and see that someone chopped down a tree that you were describing, that massive tree, that people probably hadn't seen in a hundred years or whatever,

00:57:28 Speaker_02
Maybe ever who knows some of these trees are 1,200 years old.

00:57:31 Speaker_03
Maybe there's no one else dumb enough to walk through that place with no water We might have been the first people to ever see that when I was in Scotland.

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They were claiming this I don't know if this is true, but Because there's a lot of really old shit in Scott. They have these stones really we yeah, we were in Scotland There's these guide stones on the ground and I go what's that from they go?

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We don't know I go How old is it? They're like it's about 5,000 years old. I was like what? You just walk up to a 5,000-year-old stone. There's a stone circle out there. There's a stone circle that someone has constructed.

00:58:02 Speaker_03
It's similar to Stonehenge, but on a much, much smaller scale. And it's older than Stonehenge. And it's just on the street in front of this dude's house. So this guy said, do you want to see it?

00:58:12 Speaker_02
No.

00:58:12 Speaker_03
No, it has a little plaque that's like that big. So we got out of the car and we walk over to it. You could walk on it. You can stand on it. I'm like, this is so weird. Like how old is this?

00:58:22 Speaker_03
They're like, we're not exactly sure, but it's thousands and thousands of years old. Like the Druids made these things. I don't know. They don't know who did it. They don't know why. This guide stone was just on the ground next to this pathway.

00:58:37 Speaker_03
And I was like, what is this? That's a 5,000-year-old guide stone. I'm like, what it is? What? Who put that there? Why isn't there a museum built around this fucking thing? That's crazy that it's just laying on the ground.

00:58:49 Speaker_02
No, I mean, it's it's why this is a meteorite. Yes, that is.

00:58:53 Speaker_03
So weren't they saying that? So they were telling me that the oldest tree in the world is in Scotland. I was like, I don't know how that's true. I thought the oldest tree was has to be in Africa.

00:59:04 Speaker_02
Mmm, wouldn't it be I thought it was in the Middle East somewhere.

00:59:07 Speaker_02
It was like one of those It's like, you know, like six feet tall and like super I don't like predates Jesus like, you know, it's like ancient ancient really Yeah, what's the oldest tree?

00:59:16 Speaker_03
No, this is just I didn't want to tell the guy get the fuck out of here This is the oldest tree. He was he was giving me a tour a tour of the land. I These are coos. These are coos. They have cows. They call the cows coos. I go, what are you saying, man?

00:59:31 Speaker_03
Scotland's oldest tree. So it's 3,000 and 9,000 years old.

00:59:36 Speaker_02
Between three and nine. That's a big swing.

00:59:38 Speaker_03
Yeah, they don't know. I mean, that's the thing about that area. There's a lot of just guessing. There's a lot of just guessing. So see if you can show me a photo of the oldest tree. Yeah, they're gnarly looking, like you're saying.

00:59:50 Speaker_03
It's not like a massive tree. No. You know, when you walk by it, you would think, oh, it's just a tree. You would never think that thing's 9,000 years old. But I'm curious what the oldest tree period is. I think that's the one.

01:00:03 Speaker_03
That's the one they were saying is the oldest tree. Well, this is just what this guy is telling me. What is that one? The oldest tree in the world. What's that one? Is it in the US? That one looks like it's in the Middle East. I don't think so. No.

01:00:15 Speaker_03
Couldn't be, right? I don't know. Bristlecone. Where's that one? Pine. Great Basin, 100 years. It doesn't say. Where's Bristlecone? California. California? So the oldest tree in the world's in California? No.

01:00:28 Speaker_05
Hold on. It says something about Atlanta.

01:00:30 Speaker_03
Oh, no, no, no. It says it. Yeah. I don't think they're saying it.

01:00:34 Speaker_05
Atlanta's the website.

01:00:36 Speaker_03
Is that maybe just like trees around the world that they're studying in Atlanta? The oldest tree in the world. It looks like shit. Looks like you would expect the oldest tree. You wouldn't expect the oldest tree to look like those great redwoods.

01:00:51 Speaker_03
California. California. Doesn't have a single fucking leaf. So how old is that one? How old is the oldest tree in the world? 4,855 years old. Yikes Methuselah, they have a name for it.

01:01:03 Speaker_03
So some cocksucker, you know, there's some dude that's thinking about turning that into a desk You know, there's some fucking tech shithead US Forest Service doesn't tell visitors precisely where Methuselah stands nor does the organization release photographs of the ancient tree

01:01:19 Speaker_03
Someone's gonna lose a lot.

01:01:20 Speaker_02
Yeah, someone's gonna fuck it up Can you can you look up what the what the what the like how old the general Sherman is?

01:01:26 Speaker_03
I'm curious about the sequoias But this is interesting Jimmy because this is I guess that other websites incorrect because the other website was saying it might be 9,000 years old Yeah, but that's not Scotland different country, but I'm sure they have some old shit to Prometheus

01:01:45 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think that's the thing about a lot of these old old trees is it's kind of guesswork Yeah, I don't think they really know and I think it probably behooves them behooves them to exaggerate a little oops You know because it's kind of a good bragging point say we got the oldest tree in the world It's a draw for your for your town, whatever sorta.

01:02:05 Speaker_03
I There's no one out there. It was really cool like six people. There's no one in Scotland, bro Just fucking Scotland is like the whole country is like the size of Austin In terms of population Single stem tree.

01:02:17 Speaker_02
Yeah single stem. Yeah, not all complicated like the ones we just saw This is like a pole a lot of the rainforest trees are like this, which is a pillar General Sherman So is that a Sequoia?

01:02:26 Speaker_03
Yeah Yeah, man. Have you gone up to Northern California? Did that rain for us?

01:02:32 Speaker_02
I haven't been up to Northern Cali, but where the General Sherman is, it looks, you know, like if you play like Super Mario 64, like when you get like, you go into like Giant Land, there was a sequoia tree that had fallen over.

01:02:44 Speaker_02
I mean, the thing was, you know, 36 feet thick. I don't know. But I was like, I couldn't climb on top of the tree. And it fell over and it went from here for like a city block. Yeah.

01:02:54 Speaker_03
They have one that has a tunnel carved out.

01:02:56 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:02:56 Speaker_03
Where you could drive your car through it. They're so cool. And people want to cut them down.

01:03:00 Speaker_02
Yeah, there's people frothing to cut those.

01:03:02 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah people are gross especially some fucking psychopath who's on Adderall Sherman tree contains more wood volume in its trunk than any other tree on earth And you know that's not that that seems like to make sense to me like that's the oldest tree You know when I see that little ratty little fucking bush in the desert like that's not the old you lying, bitch Yeah

01:03:23 Speaker_02
See, I thought it would be somewhere on the side of a mountain where it's high wind and they're growing slow over a thousand years, so no humans would have been up there, and every year it's just adding a millimeter to its- Well, we know so much about the world in comparison to what they knew 500 years ago, but yet we still know so little.

01:03:42 Speaker_03
2010, they found a new human species. The Denisovans. They didn't even know the Denisovans were a thing until 2010. And now they think that the Denisovans, like a lot of the Aborigine people in Australia, have Denisovan in them.

01:03:58 Speaker_03
And maybe possibly even Neanderthal in them.

01:04:00 Speaker_02
They only described the fact that there was two species and not one species of fucking elephant in Africa in the 90s.

01:04:08 Speaker_03
Well wasn't a gorilla like a myth until they went I think gorillas were like mythical creatures until like the 1800s like when did they discover gorillas?

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I mean, I think the first European to see a gorilla probably But like the first Explorer with his you know his chain mail to show up and look at a gorilla

01:04:31 Speaker_03
It wasn't until early 19th century that people native from the areas where they live, such as the Democratic Republic of the Congo and Gabon, knew gorillas better, but among people outside of Africa, they were mostly mythological creatures.

01:04:45 Speaker_02
There's human like big 400 pound monsters and they're like insane. Yeah Well, there's insane.

01:04:53 Speaker_03
There's this is a really controversial ones the Bondo ape and that's a particular area of the Congo called Billy and Billy has this unusual strain of Chimpanzees that have a crest on their head like a gorilla.

01:05:07 Speaker_03
So like this is a normal chimpanzee skull, okay See how it's smooth on the top? Gorillas have this big crest because their mandible muscles are so massive because they mostly just, they only eat plants. So they're mostly eating fiber.

01:05:21 Speaker_03
So they're just crushing roots and stuff. To grab on to massive muscles.

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Well these Chimpanzees they thought initially they perhaps were a hybrid between chimpanzees and gorillas because they're much bigger They're like six feet tall hybrid between and they're enormous.

01:05:38 Speaker_03
It's a really controversial thing like some people think that it's just an unusual group of chimpanzees like There's this area in Africa, there's a documentary on it called Relentless Enemies.

01:05:49 Speaker_03
It's an amazing documentary about this river changed course over the years and these lions got stuck on this island with nothing but water buffalo. So all the lions look like Yoel Romero.

01:06:01 Speaker_03
Just look fucking Brock Lesnar lions is super female lions as big as male lions in other parts of Africa Super Jack female lions just fucking up these water buffalo.

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They do all the heavy lifting Yeah, because they what they have to adapt to their environment. So there was some thought that maybe this was a a

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Particular strain of chimpanzee that had adapted and was just unusually large, but they're fucking huge man There's a guy named Karl Arman.

01:06:27 Speaker_03
He's a Swiss wildlife photographer and he dedicated his life to exploring these animals and documenting them and he got photographs of them on a camera trap walking on two legs and But you guys see what they look like. Oh, yeah, they look nutty.

01:06:41 Speaker_03
They look nutty. I mean, they're hunched over a little bit, but they look so much bigger than a regular chimpanzee.

01:06:47 Speaker_02
So this is a real thing. This isn't like cryptozoology.

01:06:48 Speaker_03
Oh, no, no, no, no. No, they have tissue samples. They have bones.

01:06:52 Speaker_02
So we have separate DNA for- Yep.

01:06:54 Speaker_03
Plenty of videos of these things. It's an actual animal. The question is, is this a subspecies? Is it a completely different species? Right. We know they have bonobos. The tissue? Well, it's a novel tissue though, right? So it's a new thing.

01:07:11 Speaker_03
So if it is, they're trying to figure out exactly what happened and how many of them there are. And it seems to be in this incredibly dense, war-torn area of the Congo where these things live. But we know there's bonobos, right?

01:07:24 Speaker_03
Which kind of look like chimpanzees, but they're really different. They're not violent at all. They just fuck.

01:07:29 Speaker_03
Yeah, they just make they have arguments they fuck each other and that's how they get over everything use hemp Yeah, they probably do they're probably stoner monkeys I wonder what's in their diet But these monkeys are these chimpanzees rather are very different than the other chimpanzees like from Chimp Nation Where they're super violent and they kill monkeys all day and they you know, they fight over fruit Chimp Chimp Nation is the is the Netflix Netflix document fucking amazing.

01:07:54 Speaker_03
That's the one where the scientists were embedded with these chimpanzees for 20 years and So the chimpanzees behave completely normal when you say embedded like what good all did like sitting there like yes right there They lived with them.

01:08:05 Speaker_03
Yeah, so they set up camp in these forests, and they had very clear rules number one stay 20 yards away Always not much not much pretty close, but when it gets close to 20 yards get out of there. No food Don't bring any food.

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Don't look him in the eyes. No fucking around and so the chimpanzees they their whole life is Chimpanzee lives, you know, in the wild probably 15, 20 years or whatever. Their whole life they've been around these people. So they act completely normal.

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Those people are just like another tree. Just another thing that's not of consequence. It doesn't steal resources from them. It doesn't try to intimidate them. It doesn't infringe on their territory. Never gets closer than 20 yards. No worries.

01:08:43 Speaker_03
So because of that, they've got this insane footage. It's one of the most incredible documentary series of all time. And they study the social behavior between the chimpanzees. And I had the guy on who directed it. It was really fascinating.

01:08:56 Speaker_03
I'm like, how often do they eat monkeys? He's like, dude, we couldn't even show them all. They just eat monkeys all day. That's their favorite thing to do. And they just rip them apart.

01:09:03 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:09:03 Speaker_03
And they didn't even know that until the 90s. When David Attenborough went to the jungle to film chimpanzees, they caught them hunting monkeys and eating them alive. It's terrifying. It's crazy. It is terrifying.

01:09:15 Speaker_03
There's a monkey, and this chimp has it, like his hand is around its waist, and it's just eating it from the hips down like this.

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And the monkey's going, Jesus!

01:09:26 Speaker_03
It's just got this little monkey face that looks so much like ours. It's so close to us. And this chimp's just chewing chunks. And so they have 20 years. Pulling a leg off and handing it to this other chimp, and he's chewing it.

01:09:38 Speaker_02
They share?

01:09:38 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah, they share. They share. Well, that's a big part of this docuseries. Interesting. Is how they set up those social structures. Their social structures are so similar to ours.

01:09:48 Speaker_03
It's like, we think that the biggest chimpanzees, like the alpha male, it's not.

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Some of them it's not it's a smart one who has made comrades and made a community and and is very fair chimpanzees have a very strong sense of fairness and Being slighted like if one of the elders doesn't get a piece of the monkey they get fucking furious like what have you done?

01:10:11 Speaker_03
But you have to make right like you have to like sue people's or monkeys chimpanzees anger and being slighted dude

01:10:20 Speaker_02
Yeah, well, I when I was a I always remember this as a kid I was watching a nature show and they they had a I had called the third beetle principle There was the two male beetles were battling and the females watching and while the two male beetles are battling The third beetle comes and fucks the female.

01:10:34 Speaker_02
That's what happens with elk.

01:10:35 Speaker_03
Yeah all the time and it was just like, you know be a third Yeah, they studied white-tailed deer as well Same same thing happens. The big guys are fighting when the big guys are fighting the little sneaky ones like hey I

01:10:47 Speaker_03
Yeah, ladies like that a lot of that more see do you have any see if you can find a photograph of that Bondo ape yes, please I need again very country the car controversial though He has because like people don't want to believe it's real one right so that's one Yeah, that one's a dead one.

01:11:01 Speaker_03
They shot at an airport. Holy look at the size of it compared to those guys It's so much bigger than trying to get on a plane This is um you ever see that movie the Congo.

01:11:10 Speaker_03
It's a stupid movie like I read the book It was it was a cool book without gorillas But those chimpanzees the crazy chimpanzees were based on these Bondo apes.

01:11:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's the idea so Look at that picture up in the top right with it the black and white one Yeah, well see if the fight find the camera trap photo scroll down a little bit It'll probably be one of the first photos that you see

01:11:32 Speaker_03
There's a camera trap photograph. No, that's a different one. That's one that lived in America.

01:11:39 Speaker_02
If I saw that in the forest, I would kill myself.

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There's one, they called them humanzy, and they thought at one point in time that maybe somebody had fucked a chimpanzee. These are all, that's it, that's it. Where it says world of Karl Amann on the top shelf? Yeah, right there.

01:11:57 Speaker_03
That's the camera trap photo. That's not the best version of it. I've seen more clear version, but he's walking around and they're enormous.

01:12:06 Speaker_03
These guys said they had a Land Rover and they had a Defender and they stopped, or whatever the truck was, they stopped the truck in the road as one walked by and it was taller than the truck. Like what? So they're huge. They're enormous.

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Some of them are, like I said, they're like six foot tall chimpanzees. And just imagine how strong a regular chimp is. So that's definitely that one up there. Click on that. Click on the gallery.

01:12:34 Speaker_03
So Carl Armand is this guy who was this wildlife photographer that when they became aware of this subspecies. See the photographs of the skull? Yeah.

01:12:44 Speaker_02
See that ridge?

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Right, so the one behind it is a regular chimpanzee skull, and then the much larger one is the Bondo ape skull They also nest on the ground like gorillas.

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Yeah, they're like nobody's fucking with me They're fucking huge man, and there's not a large population of them, and they're not it's not very well studied Because it's so remote mm-hmm.

01:13:05 Speaker_03
It's very fucking dangerous to get there But you see those bones on the ground show that image again look at the size difference between the regular chimpanzee skull In the background and then the Bondo ape in the foreground and look at the crest on the head nuts

01:13:20 Speaker_03
The locals have two names for chimpanzees. They call them tree beaters and lion killers Lion killers and the lion killers it was first of all, there's no lions in the jungle, right? No lions not king of the right.

01:13:32 Speaker_03
Well, there's no lions lions live in the Savannah, right? So calling them lion killers is probably just a fun name, but they have found they did video one that was eating a jaguar and

01:13:42 Speaker_03
Leopard yeah a leopard, but they don't know if it found the leopard dead and ate it They don't know what the fuck happened at a corner in it did it really did they could attack Jack a leopard?

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I mean, maybe maybe the small leopard well You got to think if it's really six feet tall so a regular chimpanzee gets to be like a full-grown male It's probably like a hundred and eighty pounds like a big giant jack chimpanzee hundred and eighty

01:14:05 Speaker_03
180 pounds and the strength of a 500 pound man like so you what you weigh probably close to it right you probably 180 Yeah, so your weight, but the strength of a 500 pound man now imagine now imagine one That's not five feet tall, but six feet tall and is not 200 pounds, but 300 pounds or 350

01:14:27 Speaker_03
What? Get that guy in the octagon. Dude, fuck that. A regular chimpanzee would fuck a human up. But that photograph of those two men that's sitting there with one that they shot, that's one that they think is confirmed to be one of these Bondo apes.

01:14:43 Speaker_03
And it's so much bigger than them. But you have to think, OK, these guys, first of all, they're in the background, just like when you catch a fish, you hold the fish out in front of you. It's a perspective thing.

01:14:53 Speaker_02
It's an anaconda.

01:14:54 Speaker_03
Exactly, but the guy does have his hand on its shoulder and just there's some things you can't fake like the size of his nuts I was gonna say the size of his nuts is the size of that guy's face and look at the size of his hand His hands massive.

01:15:07 Speaker_03
There's a massive chimpanzee grab on to some serious branches with that. Google Humanzee, because Humanzee was a weird one.

01:15:16 Speaker_03
These people had this chimpanzee, and they dressed it up like a person, and it had weird facial features where it looked so similar to a person. Yeesh. It looks weird. There's better images of it, and there's video of this, but I think

01:15:32 Speaker_03
Along the way, that one right there to the left of that. Yeah, right there where you're at's good too. So, look at his face. I don't like that. Strange, right? Strange features. He looks like he could work at a bank. Very weird.

01:15:45 Speaker_03
So it led people to think that, his name is Oliver. It led people to think that Oliver was some sort of a hybrid. But it doesn't seem like he is. It just seems like he just had an odd facial, but look, they put him in a fucking suit and tie and shit.

01:15:58 Speaker_03
And they're fine, but he became sexually attracted to his care. and preferred humans over chimps. The problem with those things is they're horny, just like, you know, and he doesn't even know there's other chimps because he doesn't get to see them.

01:16:10 Speaker_02
You know, he's close enough.

01:16:12 Speaker_03
He's like, I'll fuck you, lady. And like, she's taking care of him. I was like, take care of this. He's a horny fucking chimpanzee.

01:16:20 Speaker_02
I've heard that orangutans do that too.

01:16:21 Speaker_03
I'm sure they're primates. Well, this is a, you know, that's that chimp nation show that's on. Have you seen that on Netflix?

01:16:28 Speaker_02
I haven't seen, I've been, I've been obsessed with the, uh, the hundred foot wave.

01:16:32 Speaker_03
I'm not, I'm serious. Not chimp nation, uh, chimp crazy. Chimp crazy is all about these people that are like the tiger king people that are all, instead of having tigers, they have chimps.

01:16:41 Speaker_02
Just crazy people with chimps in their house.

01:16:43 Speaker_03
Yeah, Carl's up. He's like, what the fuck? Chimps? They'll eat you, Carl. You know, goddamn heartbeat.

01:16:48 Speaker_05
This article about Oliver has this photo we've used a lot as a, I don't know.

01:16:54 Speaker_03
Oh, that's not Oliver.

01:16:55 Speaker_05
No, that article's bullshit.

01:16:57 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's just another chimpanzee. That's not him. But he, I'm sure they took him from the Congo. I mean, or wherever. There's apparently, this is also something that we learned from the guys from Chimp Crazy that we're on.

01:17:12 Speaker_03
We're explaining how this trade works where they kidnap these babies from their mother And then they start raising them in captivity in America and some places like Wyoming. It's legal So yeah, they'll go to Wyoming and or was it Missouri?

01:17:25 Speaker_03
Where was it? They buy chimps, Missouri, right?

01:17:30 Speaker_02
I mean that the whole Tiger King thing fucking nuts man, dude those people all are just normal people that have

01:17:36 Speaker_02
wild animals ligers dude, they Way before the Tiger King thing one of one of the dudes not the main Tiger King guy one of the other guys And the Myrtle Beach guy invited me to his place. Is that the guy runs the sex cult?

01:17:52 Speaker_02
Yeah, and he was like you got to help me legitimize my shit. I'm a real conservationist and so I'm sure you are, buddy.

01:17:59 Speaker_02
Me and my friend Mohsen, we do all the photography, all the Amazon Fire stuff together, and I was like, you wanna go fucking hang out with tigers for a weekend? He was like, yeah, let's go. And so they were like, look, we're legit.

01:18:09 Speaker_02
You're a real conservationist. Come over here, tell the world about us. So what they do is they have people sit in a circle, and you can go with your date and pay for this, and they put a tiger cub in your lap. Great, cool.

01:18:22 Speaker_02
But then what do you do with those 16 tiger cubs next year when they weigh 500 pounds? And that's the answer. They all have an incinerator on site. Oh, no. Yeah. So they're breeding tigers and incinerating them. Also, I was standing there.

01:18:36 Speaker_02
So many weird things happened that weekend.

01:18:38 Speaker_03
It was like it was going to get to be dangerous. They just shoot them and burn them.

01:18:42 Speaker_02
I don't know. I don't know how they euthanize them, but they have an incinerator on site. And they're producing tigers, and you go, where do the tigers go?

01:18:48 Speaker_04
Oh my god.

01:18:49 Speaker_02
They go, well, you know.

01:18:51 Speaker_04
Oh no.

01:18:52 Speaker_02
And they're going, save tigers, save the world, and there's animals everywhere. I was doing something, and the girl walks by with a liger. Oh yeah. And I felt like I was on mushrooms. The thing's fucking head is this big.

01:19:05 Speaker_02
You know when in Sandlot when they see the beast and it's like it's like an animatronic giant. It looked ridiculous. This liger walked by and was as tall as I was and I just went I don't like it here.

01:19:16 Speaker_03
Well it's a weird hybrid because. I think it's, is it a male tiger and a female lion or a male lion and a female tiger? I think it's a male tiger. So the problem is in male lions, the gene that regulates size.

01:19:35 Speaker_03
Exists so when a male lion breeds with a female lion I might be fucking this up But I know that this the problem with the liger why they're so big is because whether it's the male or the female So it's a hybrid officer a male lion and a tiger female.

01:19:50 Speaker_03
Okay, so in the female lion then Or in the male tiger, one of them, there's this gene that regulates how big you get. And it doesn't exist in the liger.

01:20:01 Speaker_02
They don't look right.

01:20:02 Speaker_03
They just, they get so big. Their head. How big do they get, Jamie?

01:20:10 Speaker_02
Jesus, but a Siberian tiger I think can also get like 900 pounds like that like an Amur tiger like I think they can get pretty big I think so too. I think a liger is a little I think the charts I think ligers might be bigger than that. Yep.

01:20:24 Speaker_02
That was there scroll down a little bit Jamie. Just a hundred pounds. There's the one nine hundred pounds That's the cat. That's a dude

01:20:31 Speaker_03
Yeah. So this one says it got to 922 pounds. Hercules, the largest non-obese liger. So he's non-obese, not fatso.

01:20:41 Speaker_02
They try to cheat, give him donuts. That's some body positive bullshit. He's obese.

01:20:46 Speaker_03
I bet he's not if he's 922. Wow. When he was three years old, he weighed 408 pounds. Oh my God, 900 pounds, 408 kilograms, oh my God. And now it weighs, oh my God.

01:21:02 Speaker_03
Valued the King's Animal Sanctuary in Wisconsin had a male liger named Nook who weighed over 1,213 pounds. Oh my God. So lion and tiger in captivity are under 1,100 pounds. How big does a Siberian tiger get? What's the largest Siberian tiger?

01:21:22 Speaker_02
See, that I would say 900 pounds. I feel like that upper limit is 900 pounds, and I have from nose to tail about 12 feet. Those are my guesses.

01:21:31 Speaker_03
That's such a big animal, the Siberian. 11 feet long. Yeah, that book the Tiger is one of the best books. It's 10 foot 11 inches long from nose to tail weighed 932 pounds. Look at that face. Bro, they're so beautiful too.

01:21:48 Speaker_03
That's what's crazy that it's a cat that lives in the snow. Like, you think of tigers, you think of India. You think of the jungle. Yeah, you don't think of a cat that lives in Siberia. And it's the biggest one. And messes up the bears. Oh, good lord.

01:22:02 Speaker_02
And controls the wolf populations.

01:22:04 Speaker_03
Good lord.

01:22:06 Speaker_01
Good lord. That paw.

01:22:09 Speaker_03
Oh my god, yeah. And just, it's crazy that it's such a gorgeous thing that's killing you. Like, when you see them, it's probably part of the trick. Like, you're like hypnotized by how beautiful it is. Like, what? Look at this thing.

01:22:21 Speaker_02
Well, did you ever see in Life and Color, they show you the spectrum that deer see in, they don't see orange? Right. Because that was my question growing up as a kid.

01:22:27 Speaker_02
I was like, why, like, why would, if you want to blend in, why the hell would you be orange and white and black? It seems like that's like the most, it's like having a neon sign.

01:22:34 Speaker_03
Well, that's because the most dangerous thing in the forest is people. Especially people with guns.

01:22:39 Speaker_02
Yeah, no, no, no, but I'm saying before that is when they- But that's why they did it.

01:22:43 Speaker_03
They do it so that you don't get shot by hunters.

01:22:46 Speaker_02
That's the whole reason why you have orange on. Sure, but i'm saying it stands out, but i'm saying so my question was why would a tiger?

01:22:53 Speaker_02
Because deer see orange because tigers live in the grass and there's a lot of shadows and stripes Yeah, they show you can move around they show you deer vision and it's they literally don't register that color orange So it just looks like more green shit and a tiger vanishes.

01:23:07 Speaker_02
It's such a cool clip. It's on one of those

01:23:09 Speaker_03
I think that's also why zebras have those funky stripes.

01:23:13 Speaker_02
I think it fucks with them.

01:23:14 Speaker_03
I think all those lines fuck with them because they're not seeing things like we're seeing this cop, we're seeing, you know, your phone, seeing writing. I don't think they see like that. They reckon like it's a lot of it is edge detection in motion.

01:23:27 Speaker_03
Like, you know, I was just elk hunting and I got a video on my Instagram. Yeah, see how they like blend in? So they would not see all that stuff. They would just see what looks like branches.

01:23:38 Speaker_02
Yeah, like squint and look at that image. And it's easy to see it for us. It's very difficult to see it for them.

01:23:43 Speaker_03
And if they're in the jungle, densely foliated jungle, and there's all these trees and shit, they would just blend right the fuck in and just lay and wait for something that's slower than them.

01:23:57 Speaker_02
But I was thinking when you were saying about the Bondo ape, one of the things that we're doing now is we're using Starlink to deploy camera traps in areas, because you just take a Starlink, put it up in the top of a tree.

01:24:06 Speaker_02
I have a guy on my team, Stefan, he figured this out. We take Starlink, you put it up in the top of a tree so it has access. Someone's got to climb the tree.

01:24:13 Speaker_03
You put a solar panel attached to it?

01:24:15 Speaker_02
You got to have Starlink and a solar panel, and just like a little box to run everything. And then you can deploy remote camera traps around.

01:24:22 Speaker_02
So we're getting now, we haven't published this yet, but we're getting live feed from parts of the Amazon where there's no people.

01:24:27 Speaker_03
And with the Starlink, you can send it back to you with Wi-Fi, so you don't have to get the cards.

01:24:32 Speaker_02
Dude, we get updates on our phones.

01:24:34 Speaker_03
Oh my God, that's incredible.

01:24:36 Speaker_02
So if we did this in Bondo ape territory,

01:24:38 Speaker_03
Probably find them. Yeah, but you probably get fucked up getting in there and putting that stuff up there. That's the problem It's humans me and Lex could do it. Yeah The problem is the humans.

01:24:48 Speaker_03
I mean, it's it's essentially runs a war zone war zone It's a war zone run by warlords And then if you go into the Congo you have the cobalt mines you have all these things that are run by China There's all the slave labor operations that are going out there

01:25:00 Speaker_03
And it's just the whole area. My friend Justin, he runs this charity, Fight for the Forgotten. He goes to the Congo and he builds wells. And we've had him on a few times to talk about his experiences over there.

01:25:13 Speaker_03
But getting to these people to try to build wells for them is fucking just fraught with peril. You're dealing with just gunfights break out. People get robbed. People get pulled over and guns held to their head. Everything gets stolen from them.

01:25:28 Speaker_03
It's like Blood Diamond. Yes, just lawlessness run by warlords Different you know different towns you go into a run by different people You have to have translators sometimes translators like this not good. This is not good. You're like.

01:25:41 Speaker_03
Oh fuck mm-hmm, and you know you're just over there trying to help people and you're So if you're going to study these chimpanzees like this ain't

01:25:51 Speaker_03
No, this ain't like the fucking Pacific Northwest just going to the woods like oh, there's a deer No, this is you're dealing with humans dangerous humans who are desperate and who have lived their whole life in these conditions

01:26:04 Speaker_02
When you go elk hunting, how long is an elk hunt for you?

01:26:10 Speaker_03
I give myself a week. I always have a week. But a lot of guys who have more time, they'll do 10 days. It depends on what kind of hunting you're doing. I'm doing it in places where it's private access.

01:26:23 Speaker_03
If you have public land, you're going to get a lot of hunters on that land, especially if there's elk. And it pushes the elk deeper and deeper into the forest.

01:26:30 Speaker_03
And if you want to really find them, a lot of these guys, they'll put their, like my friend Aaron Snyder, he'll put a backpack on, he'll go two weeks and they'll go, you know, 26, 30 miles in and that's where the elk are.

01:26:44 Speaker_03
And so not only that, you have to pack them out. Oh yeah. So if you kill an elk, 30 miles in. And it's 30 miles as the crow flies.

01:26:53 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 30 miles of terrain.

01:26:56 Speaker_03
You're going up and down and up and down, thousands of feet of elevation, and it takes them days to get the animal out.

01:27:03 Speaker_02
Yeah. I've seen the videos of that. You had this guy on, he's awesome. Donnie Vincent? Yes. I've seen, he does a very good job of documenting his elk hunts. He does. And he's always got the backpack with the antlers on. Yep.

01:27:14 Speaker_03
And you have to have a fucking strong back, man. Yeah. Trekking poles are a must and you know, you're carrying something on your back.

01:27:22 Speaker_03
That's almost what you weigh You got a person on your back and you're trying to go 30 miles and that's only one trip Yeah, you get you're done you drop it off You have to get it on ice or do something to pretending them depending rather on what the temperature is outside You have to preserve the meat you have to put it somewhere usually in a cooler you lock it down whatever you do your quarter now bone it out and then you're going back and

01:27:44 Speaker_03
So we're going 30 miles for load number two.

01:27:46 Speaker_03
And if you're so low, there's a lot of guys that's so low elk hunt, you might have to go in four times to get all the meat out because you physically can't carry it all 30 miles up and down the mountains without risk of like dying.

01:28:01 Speaker_03
No, how much is an elk? I mean, elk is gigantic. Hundreds of pounds of meat.

01:28:05 Speaker_03
So I could tell you exactly because we shot these elk in Utah and then we brought them to this meat processing place that makes you sausages and all kinds of cool shit and They weigh it. So they weigh your meat. It was 400 pounds of meat and

01:28:23 Speaker_03
Harvested meat.

01:28:23 Speaker_02
Yeah, I mean on there's bones.

01:28:25 Speaker_03
No, there's still bones and the quarters, but the bones aren't that much weight Let's say let's just say let's say the bones are a hundred pounds.

01:28:32 Speaker_03
Let's just I don't think they are but let's say they are Yeah, I don't think they are Because it's just a couple leg bones. It's quartered. So it's basically the femurs It's cool, you know like a rear hind quarter in the front quarter. I

01:28:45 Speaker_03
Let's say it's 100 pounds. It's still 300 pounds of meat. You got to get out on your own. You, 300 pounds on your back. So you've got to do it in 100 pound trips, probably, if you're smart, but some guys get crazy. pound pack is a lot. I know it is.

01:29:03 Speaker_03
I know a guy who fucked his back up because he tried to do 180 pounds and he went like 25 miles and his back's destroyed.

01:29:09 Speaker_03
His back is so destroyed that one of his arms is atrophying because his nerves are getting pinched because his fucking discs are all bulged out and fucked up.

01:29:18 Speaker_02
So you shoot an elk and then you, let's say you're with two guys, I don't know, and you take as much as you can and you come out. Now in the meantime, that carcass is sitting there

01:29:27 Speaker_02
You just you just try and get back as soon as you can like the meat doesn't go bad.

01:29:30 Speaker_03
No, it's cold It's cold when I was hunting it was hailing. Okay, you know, so it's like some of the days it was in the 30s some of the days it was in the 40s, but It's a nice play. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it totally can but we didn't have to wait overnight.

01:29:44 Speaker_03
We packed it out that day I got very lucky that my friends came down and helped me. So we were in the bottom of this Canyon It's very very steep this

01:29:54 Speaker_03
Part that's like extremely difficult to get to which is why the elk go there So it's like you have to be very physically fit just to get there just to get like when I do cardio getting ready for elk hunts Literally, I get ready for it.

01:30:08 Speaker_03
Like I have to go into a fight or you train for it I'm doing sprints on the airdyne machine just to pump my legs up. I'm doing box jumps and box steps with weights. I'm doing all these body weight squats.

01:30:19 Speaker_03
It's just to have strong legs, just because you have to deal with this terrain.

01:30:23 Speaker_03
If you want to go where the elk are, because they know where the cats are, and they know where they can hide, and they know where they can get away from people, and that's in the areas that are hard to get to, which is the mountains.

01:30:32 Speaker_03
And the more hard to get to, and the elk go up it like it's nothing.

01:30:36 Speaker_03
They just fucking run right up it like it's it's so wild to watch because you're struggling to go like a mile an hour And these motherfuckers are like running over the top of the hill like it's nothing.

01:30:47 Speaker_03
Yeah, but that's why they're there They're there because they know that it's tough to get there and yeah people won't fuck with them there And you know they rarely get fucked with there so that's how you have to get to so I got lucky that there was five guys in camp with me and everyone took a load and

01:31:02 Speaker_03
I think Cam Haines has a photo of it on his Instagram of all of us packing it out. It was in one of those multiple photo things. So that helped a lot because if it was just me and my friend Colton, who was my guide, it would have probably taken us...

01:31:18 Speaker_03
Fucking most of the day yeah most of the day just to get it to the top of the hill where you can get a 4x4 To it, so you're not worried about you don't have like camping gear also, so you're no no that's good Yeah, but a lot of guys do and those guys the most effective hunters that go into public land Which is a much tougher thing to do right because I said because of pressure and

01:31:37 Speaker_03
And also because if you want to go where the elk are, the elk is a lot of people, there's pressure and the elk are going to get the fuck out of Dodge. And so you have to find out where they are.

01:31:45 Speaker_03
It's a lot more groundwork and you're covering a lot more miles. So these guys, they put their camp on their back and they do the chop the toothbrush in half, that whole deal.

01:31:55 Speaker_03
They know where the water is and they use things like on X maps so that they chart their path. That's all of us. Nice. So we're packing out. That's all the elk quarters on different people's backs.

01:32:06 Speaker_03
And that head up there, that's me carrying the head out with the antlers.

01:32:10 Speaker_01
Nice.

01:32:11 Speaker_03
You know, and it's, we were, like I said, real lucky that we had friends there to help us. But if you do that by yourself, if you're out there by yourself and you're 30 miles in, you got to be so strong. You got to be so strong. Whose shot was that?

01:32:25 Speaker_03
I think it was Adam, my friend Adam Greentree. He's an awesome photographer, lives in Australia, who's with us hunting too. But that's the kind of hunting that I do is the easiest kind of hunting as far as that goes.

01:32:36 Speaker_02
As far as bow hunting in the wilderness goes, yeah. You can do it with a gun, it's a hundred times easier.

01:32:42 Speaker_03
No, but what I'm saying is like there's not gonna be a lot of people there, no one's gonna fuck with you, and you know the elk are there.

01:32:48 Speaker_03
So the much more difficult path is like the public land hunter who has to go deep into the forest to get away from all the people. Like my friend Adam told me he went 23 miles into the forest once.

01:33:01 Speaker_03
He's like no one's gonna be here, and he found two tents. He's like motherfucker these hunters They're all realizing like so there's like a category of hunter.

01:33:10 Speaker_03
That's like these athletes that love it Yeah, and but they're athletes like these guys are super physically fit so they can go 25 miles 30 miles in and they can be by themselves and Which is, which is pretty serious. Oh, yeah, man. Yeah.

01:33:25 Speaker_02
You did a great job of explaining to that one guy about why wolves and elk and because you sound like, you know, fundamentally like, you know, God and the fact that animals eat each other and you're like, because there's wolves.

01:33:36 Speaker_02
Elk are mega athletes that can run up a mountain. Yeah, I was just like, I was listening to it. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

01:33:42 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's why they are the way they are. You can't take that out of the equation. Like people want, oh, let's have all the elk live in harmony where they never have to worry about getting eaten. That's not real. Just standing there.

01:33:54 Speaker_03
Yeah, what you're saying is not real. So if you're saying you don't want hunting, you're saying you want these animals to die in a far more horrific way because we need population control.

01:34:04 Speaker_03
Some say we need it with people, but that's the World Economic Forum But what I think is with animals we at least we understand like we have wildlife biologists that are Incredible at this job, and they understand what the holding populations are like this is how much food is there?

01:34:19 Speaker_03
This is how many deer there? This is sustainable we can give out this amount of tags, and so we keep the populations But you have to also take into account wolves when wolves move into an area everything gets fucked and Everything gets fucked.

01:34:33 Speaker_03
They they kill off a giant percentage of the calves. They kill off Domestic animals they do surplus kills sometimes like in Wyoming they found this crazy surplus kill where these wolves had killed like a hundred cow elk and

01:34:50 Speaker_03
And they were just laying there because if they can't help themselves, man, if they can do it, they're going to do it.

01:34:57 Speaker_03
Like if they're stuck in snow or something's going on where they can't get away, if they got them cornered, they just go on a slaughter fest.

01:35:05 Speaker_02
Well, it's like that's like when we were in school and they were like, you know, the Native Americans only took, you know, and then like you read Empire of the Summer Moon and you're like, oh.

01:35:12 Speaker_03
It's all lies.

01:35:14 Speaker_02
It's all lies.

01:35:14 Speaker_03
The Native Americans were unbelievably brutal to each other. The Comanches were insane.

01:35:20 Speaker_02
That book changed my whole view of everything. They're gonna do a movie. Is it a movie or a series? It's a movie, right? I hope they do a movie.

01:35:29 Speaker_03
But it's Taylor Sheridan. So yeah, he'll do it right.

01:35:33 Speaker_02
I was reading that book on an expedition and I was like, When did we stop being warriors? Never. When? No, I'm talking about- It's still going on right now. It's just not us.

01:35:42 Speaker_02
But the mentality, the mentality, where they'd be like, oh yeah, Kwano was by this stream and they saw another tribe going that way and they just went, let's go get them.

01:35:51 Speaker_01
Yeah. You don't need to do that. You might die. And they were just like, let's go. They went on raiding parties.

01:35:57 Speaker_03
They thought it was fun. That's what it was to them. They'd go and find other native tribes and fuck them up.

01:36:04 Speaker_02
And sometimes eat them.

01:36:06 Speaker_02
Yeah, but I'm saying like that to me given the modern context like we're raised to be so sensitive and so considerate Yeah, and it's like these people you read about the I don't remember Quanah's mom's name But the Cynthia Ann Parker the woman that was a photo of her in the lobby.

01:36:20 Speaker_02
Yeah. Yeah breastfeeding her, baby yeah, she was kidnapped and I think she had a baby that they killed and Then fast forward like five years ten years later, and she only speaks command She didn't have a baby when they caught her.

01:36:33 Speaker_03
No, she was only nine. I

01:36:34 Speaker_02
Okay, there was someone that they caught and she had a baby and they killed it on the rocks. But then she became a Comanche.

01:36:42 Speaker_03
I think they killed her mother's other child.

01:36:45 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:36:46 Speaker_03
I think that's when they killed her mother and they raped her mother and they were unbelievably brutal, but they had a hard time with their population because they're riding horses so much.

01:36:56 Speaker_02
So they're losing a lot of babies. Exactly.

01:36:59 Speaker_03
So to mitigate that, they would take young kids. So they find young kids and they kidnap them and bring them into the tribe. So they kill the parents. Incredible. Oh my God. Some of the stories are so... And the craziest thing is what our government did.

01:37:13 Speaker_03
Our government was like, hey, you want a homestead? Go out there. We'll give you a chunk of land. What was that?

01:37:19 Speaker_03
They did it to bait people the first scene of that book that the guy goes out there And he's like hello good friends like good day to you, and they like cut his head off exactly face off Yeah, they kill everybody well You know you're on their land as far as they're concerned what the fuck are you doing and what the government was doing was saying?

01:37:35 Speaker_03
Hey, you can go homestead out there And it was baiting them. And so then they made these people fight off the Comanche. And if it wasn't for Jack Hayes and the Texas Rangers, Texas would have never been settled. This was all the Comanche.

01:37:50 Speaker_03
Dude, there's so many arrowheads here. It's mad.

01:37:53 Speaker_02
I would go nuts if I found an arrowhead in real life. Like if I was walking and I found an arrowhead, it would be the best day of my life.

01:37:59 Speaker_03
I found one once in Nevada. You found it? No, I did not find that one. So this is a real Native American arrowhead. Absolutely. My friend Remy said that's probably one they use for fish, because it's larger.

01:38:10 Speaker_03
He said the ones they use for deer are smaller, because they don't have a lot of force in their bows, and they have to penetrate. So they want a smaller diameter arrowhead. Ouchy, wah-wah.

01:38:19 Speaker_01
That would do it. That would do it. Oh, fuck you up. Oh, fuck you up. Oh, that's so cool.

01:38:23 Speaker_03
And they used to have the ability to hold all their arrows in between their fingers. So they could fire off arrows one after another. This is why when they came up with the musket, they're like, this is not good enough. One shot. Yeah.

01:38:36 Speaker_03
And then you got to sit there and they're just filling you up with arrows. So when Colt developed a revolver, that changed the game.

01:38:44 Speaker_01
Yeah.

01:38:44 Speaker_03
Because now all of a sudden these guys had cartridges. I think the initial one was five shots. So they could just pop the cartridge out, put a new one in, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Changed the game.

01:38:53 Speaker_02
Yeah, the crazy thing is he was sitting over there in New Jersey, I think developing that yeah I'm tinkering and he sent it to the I think he said he sent it over there and everyone's like what is this?

01:39:01 Speaker_03
Tell me that the government didn't want it for soldiers. They're like, what do we need this?

01:39:05 Speaker_02
We don't need this but the Texas Rangers used it figured it out Yeah, and like we need that fucking thing and so they were really the predecessor like to our image of like the cowboy like that's the birth of the cowboy right like

01:39:17 Speaker_02
Well, I mean that whole image of like a dude with a hat on a horse like that was the to me That's like it looked like you were getting towards after the Comanche like the end of the Comanche times into the I don't think Cowboys were around for long like that period that we think of like the Wild West I think it was like a period of like it's kind of funny right because it's such a genre in our history Like there's not a whole lot of Civil War cool movies.

01:39:41 Speaker_03
No because nobody likes this, but there's a lot of Western cool movies. It's romantic But the history of genocide in North America in terms of what happened to the Native Americans has been so poorly documented in movies.

01:39:56 Speaker_03
Because nobody wants to watch that. Right. So the movies are all just, you know, guys in saloons having shootouts with other bad Americans. And every now and then some Native American would get into the picture.

01:40:08 Speaker_03
You have to fuck that Indian up because he was trying to steal your goats or whatever.

01:40:11 Speaker_02
Or be the cool tracker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where they're running and they're like, oh, but these guys have a Native American track.

01:40:19 Speaker_03
Like what a weird genre of films that only looks at it from one perspective the perspective of the people that came over there and not even The real thing that happened to people's exactly what happened to people in the Amazon. It's disease.

01:40:31 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's the lost city of Z Right, you know when they went there these for the first people were like this place is amazing. They was complex cities It's golds everywhere It's gorgeous.

01:40:43 Speaker_03
And then so people made the trek back and by the time they went there all those people were dead Yeah from dirty, stinky European diseases. You're like, here, you want some blankets? Yeah. Well, that blanket thing's not real. No? No.

01:40:56 Speaker_01
The smallpox on the blankets wasn't real?

01:40:57 Speaker_03
No. They think that, I mean, there might have been some instances where people knowingly gave people blankets with smallpox, but smallpox just spread because everybody was immune to it from Europe.

01:41:10 Speaker_03
Like, not immune, but they had some sort of antibodies, because smallpox was everywhere.

01:41:15 Speaker_03
So when they came over here, we brought a bunch of shit over here that just wrecked those people Yeah, there's there's I did an expedition in right before Lex came.

01:41:24 Speaker_02
We did an expedition in March and me and JJ went to We basically picked a part of the Amazon that we'd never been to and went let's go see what's over there You just picked a spot.

01:41:35 Speaker_02
We picked a spot because it was around in a place that, like, on the map, there's no towns. There's no nothing. So we said, let's go there. And it took us a week.

01:41:45 Speaker_02
We had to take a commercial flight, to a smaller flight, to a smaller flight, and then we had to take a boat for three days, nine hours a day, to get to the start of the expedition.

01:41:54 Speaker_03
Now, when you do that, do you check to see if there's uncontacted tribes that have been reported in those areas?

01:42:00 Speaker_02
We, what you do is you get to the last town. And you go, what's that way? And they tell you.

01:42:08 Speaker_02
And the scariest thing, and this was one of the worst things I've ever seen in my life, was that there were these tiny little people there, and they were, so there was like normal Peruvians walking around, like loggers, gold miners, they're chainsaws, there's people who had gasoline barges, there's also prostitute boats that drive around, like brothels that go up and down.

01:42:28 Speaker_02
On a boat? Yeah. And you can pay them in wood, surprisingly enough. Board feet of timber, no joke.

01:42:34 Speaker_02
Yes, you get to the real like this is a place where like you feel like you went in a time machine and you get out there and There's people with modern machines But then off in the corner there are these little people and they were still holding on to their bows and arrows And you look at them and as soon as you look at them they hide And we were like, who are they and they're like those are the Nahua and we're like what's going on with the Nahua and it turns out

01:42:58 Speaker_02
that the Nahua were shooting at the oil company guys that were trying to get into this deep, again, a part of the forest that never has been accessed before. Now it's starting, people are reaching deeper into the Amazon.

01:43:09 Speaker_02
And the problem is they'd be going up this river, and there'd be arrows flying by them. So how'd they solve that problem?

01:43:15 Speaker_02
They funded the missionaries, sent the missionaries out there to talk to the Nahua and convince them to come back to the nearest town. So these are uncontacted tribes who are right there. Like we're standing there, like kind of talking to them.

01:43:28 Speaker_02
We're like, hola. How do the missionaries communicate with them? The missionaries go like, you know, Bible up and they just hope. Are these the Mormons? Like what groups? I actually don't know. Mormons love to do that. I don't know what group it was.

01:43:41 Speaker_02
I know I saw the missionary and he gave me a dirty, evil look and walked away. Like, this is dark shit. It was dark shit.

01:43:46 Speaker_03
The missionary gave you an evil look?

01:43:47 Speaker_02
Oh, no, no, no. These are not people that are okay. And so these terrified... Think about this for a second. So what are the missionaries up to? They're working for the oil companies. They're clearing out the forest. They're clearing the way.

01:43:58 Speaker_02
They're just doing it peacefully.

01:44:01 Speaker_03
But are they actual missionaries, or are they acting as missionaries?

01:44:04 Speaker_02
Whatever it is, they're going with the missionary protocol, getting these people to come in.

01:44:09 Speaker_02
So what they did was, through two translators, from Spanish to Yine, to Nahuatl, to something, we asked this guy, and we had to stay away because we didn't want to get them sick, and we had to say like, what are you doing here?

01:44:20 Speaker_02
And the guy was like, I'm trying to go back to my house, like where I live in my house, my jungle.

01:44:25 Speaker_02
and he said these missionaries said if I came here that then they'd help me and the food and you know and they were very confused because the missionaries had brought back a boatload of them and kind of tricked them because then when they got to the town they just showed up to capitalist society which even though it's super remote they're like you want food you got to buy it and these people have a bow and arrow but there's no more animals around because they killed everything and they go but I want to go home and the missionaries go well do you got gasoline now they're stuck oh my god how far

01:44:54 Speaker_02
like three days of driving in a boat. So like 70 miles by river.

01:44:59 Speaker_04
Oh my God.

01:45:00 Speaker_02
And so these poor people are coming into modern society a thousand years late with their wooden bow and arrows. They're this big, they're tiny little people and they're terrified and no one's helping them. Oh my God. And it's the edge of the world.

01:45:13 Speaker_02
And it's exactly when I was, and I was reading this Comanche book on that expedition and I'm going, this is the same thing. It's that manifest destiny. This is the end of their culture. There's no one, there's no one who's going to help them.

01:45:28 Speaker_02
And they were just terrified sitting there at the edges of the streets. And all these people are riding by on like motorcycles and rickshaws and there's boats going by. And these people are trying to look for like a rat to shoot.

01:45:37 Speaker_04
Oh my God.

01:45:38 Speaker_02
It was terrifying.

01:45:39 Speaker_04
Oh my god.

01:45:40 Speaker_02
It was terrifying. I felt so bad for them because they had no idea. You could see they had no idea. And they don't even speak the language. They don't even speak, they're two degrees separated with language.

01:45:49 Speaker_02
So like you could speak Yine, which is the local tribal language there, but these people don't even speak that. They speak their language. So you'd have to go from Spanish to Yine to Nahua. Oh my god. And we were there and these people were going.

01:46:02 Speaker_02
So how does someone know Nahua that you talk to? because one of the Yena guys that I knew had been living there, so he'd picked up a few Nahua words, and so they were going.

01:46:14 Speaker_03
So it was really- So how long had these people been there for?

01:46:16 Speaker_02
I didn't get that, but they were literally living in a camp, where the trees were. They stayed by the trees. They wanted to be by the trees. Oh my God. So there's people, you could buy a Coca-Cola there.

01:46:27 Speaker_02
This was like, you could buy gasoline, Coca-Cola, whatever.

01:46:31 Speaker_02
Way out there, there's a boat that has some gasoline cylinders, you can fill up your boat, and then this is where, this is the launch, it's like during the gold rush in Alaska, it's like the last place before you go into the wild.

01:46:44 Speaker_04
Oh my god.

01:46:45 Speaker_02
And these, it was just, it was really horrible to see, and I think reading the Empire of the Summer Moon made it even worse, because.

01:46:51 Speaker_03
That's so dirty, so they trick these people, and they go into the town, and then they just abandon them.

01:46:56 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:46:56 Speaker_03
Oh my god. And these people, how could they know that someone would do that to them? They don't even know what a town is like, right?

01:47:01 Speaker_02
They don't even know what a town is like. They're terrified. And so they're still, you know, you see them, they're washing by the river, and they're trying to feed their babies, but they're starving. And probably no one gives a fuck.

01:47:10 Speaker_02
And no one gives a fuck. And they're treated like dirt, too, because people, because humans are humans, and so. Right. No one wants to help them. Nobody can talk to them. And then, of course, they're kind of frustrated, right?

01:47:19 Speaker_02
So, like, they're not exactly friendly either.

01:47:21 Speaker_03
Right.

01:47:23 Speaker_02
Wow Yeah, crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy.

01:47:26 Speaker_03
Have you seen that overhead? There's there's a view like a camera is on some the helicopter or something And it's photographing these guys and they're all fucking pointed arrows this one How wild is that?

01:47:41 Speaker_02
You think that's wild. I can show you something that I can't show publicly, but look at this. Really? Yeah, I got something that no one's seen. This is from last week. I'm going to show everybody. No, you're not. This is from last week.

01:47:52 Speaker_04
Oh, wow.

01:47:54 Speaker_02
So what Joe is looking at right now is a bunch of uncontacted tribes standing in the rain. And again, they don't speak the language of the people that are trying to interact with them. So this is across a river.

01:48:07 Speaker_03
Are these those same people that were in that town?

01:48:10 Speaker_02
These are not the Nahua. This is a different tribe.

01:48:12 Speaker_03
Oh my god, man. This is wild. This is like imagining what it would be like to run into people hundreds of thousands years ago.

01:48:22 Speaker_02
Are you on the single guy yet?

01:48:24 Speaker_03
Yeah. Incredible, man. I mean that guy looks like someone from the past. Yep.

01:48:30 Speaker_02
It doesn't look like someone from now Yeah, and so what they did was they sent them a canoe full of bananas Now that guy's standing there in the cold shaking his head like he might just not know the word for blanket It's insane, man This is incredible.

01:48:44 Speaker_03
Yeah, and these are essentially some of the last people on earth like this. I

01:48:49 Speaker_02
Yeah, and so there's a huge debate about how we protect them because there's two camps. There's some people that say, you know, they're running scared during the Industrial Revolution.

01:48:59 Speaker_02
They pushed further out and they're too scared to come in and get help. And then there's other people that go, no, they're noble savages and they live out there because they want to and they're the last free people.

01:49:08 Speaker_02
But looking at these videos and seeing some of the stuff, they're trying to carefully

01:49:17 Speaker_02
interact with some of the most remote tribes and so there's people that live seven days from the nearest town that speak a dialect of native language in the Amazon and the tribes will come out and they'll

01:49:28 Speaker_02
You know, they'll come out and they'll, you saw it, they'll come out and they'll just look, they'll look at them, they'll make gestures, they'll do things. But if you get too close to them, they shoot you.

01:49:37 Speaker_02
So you can't really, you can't just go up to them and be like, hey man, what's up? Do you want some eggs? You can't do that. So what happens is this standoff on either side of the river where you have people that

01:49:47 Speaker_02
live a remote lifestyle and are very, very indigenous, but that can still interact with us, that know the modern world, have seen a dollar before, have seen a spoon, the wheel, blah, blah, blah. Wearing an Under Armour t-shirt. Yeah, exactly.

01:50:01 Speaker_02
And then these people show up, and they got their dicks tied to their stomachs, and they're wearing no clothes, and they're making sounds, sometimes they're using animal calls.

01:50:12 Speaker_03
They tie their dicks down so they don't get scratched up?

01:50:15 Speaker_02
They tie him up. So if you look at this dude, here, look, I'll just pause it on when he's... That's so gangster.

01:50:20 Speaker_03
It's like, yeah, man, I gotta tie it up. I mean, think about the stuff they're walking through. You don't want to drag him on the ground. Everything's got a thorn.

01:50:29 Speaker_02
So like, look, look at that. He's got that thing tied up. But yeah, you don't want to get in, you don't want to get in, I guess you don't want like mosquitoes having access to the head. That could be a problem. That could be a problem.

01:50:40 Speaker_02
Aren't there like little fishies that swim up your dick hole too? That's only if you're peeing in the water. Oh. A much worse thing is when you take a shit in the jungle. Uh oh. All the bugs are coming for you. Oh no.

01:50:51 Speaker_02
So you got to like, you got to like be on, on like dick patrol while you're doing that because you're going to get bug bites on your ass, but you got to make sure. They don't go in your ass hole. Well, sure. Right does that sir?

01:51:02 Speaker_02
Yeah, because as soon as you as soon as you crouch Dung beetles bigger than golf balls start flying through the air.

01:51:09 Speaker_02
So as you're trying to take a shit in the end So they know when an animal crouches fart there are animals following And so you're sitting there and you have to there's a bunch of things you got to do first You got to break your stick, right?

01:51:21 Speaker_02
So you have like some leaves the leaves is to keep your your ass bug free to get the mosquitoes away and And then the other thing you got to do is you got to be holding a tree because you're crouching, right? Right.

01:51:31 Speaker_02
But then you use your ass stick to swat away the dung beetles because they come in and I one dung beetle hit my friend Mosin in the eyeball and like scratched his actual eyeball because it flew straight and they have, you know, rhinoceros horns coming out of their faces and their exoskeletons brutal and they're heavy.

01:51:50 Speaker_02
It's a big bug, and they're airborne, and they're moving quick, and they want your shit. And they're gonna take it, and they're gonna roll it into balls, and they're gonna push it through the jungle, and they're gonna lay their eggs in it.

01:52:01 Speaker_04
Oh, God.

01:52:02 Speaker_02
So yeah, taking the shit in the jungle is like a hole. You have to know how to do it. If you don't know how to do it, you could end up in a lot of trouble.

01:52:07 Speaker_03
Good Lord, man.

01:52:10 Speaker_03
So many things to think about and this is your everyday existence Yeah, yeah, I just so when you went to that spot Yeah, when you decided let's let's go there and it takes you three days and you get up there and you see these people Did you wind up going deeper into the jungle and seeing how they actually live?

01:52:27 Speaker_03
So could you can you or is it dangerous?

01:52:31 Speaker_02
Well both why I had some trackers with me who were extremely Experienced in all of this. They knew where we could and couldn't go and we went on a

01:52:38 Speaker_02
It took us a week to get to the launch point and then we went on a six-day expedition from there where we're eating fish out of the river, we're drinking out of the river, camping on the beaches, and then we did reach a point where they found signs of uncontacted tribes.

01:52:51 Speaker_03
And that's when it gets dangerous.

01:52:52 Speaker_02
And they went, we're going back.

01:52:54 Speaker_03
Wow.

01:52:54 Speaker_02
100% going back. I mean, you have to. For everyone, there's absolutely no way that you can continue going. You're going to either get killed or be killed, like it turns into.

01:53:04 Speaker_02
I mean, these guys turned around, they loaded the shotguns, and they were like, we turn around this moment, they turn to the boat, and the moment that you find them.

01:53:10 Speaker_03
Because they know you're there before you know they're there. Oh, they know you're there. Yeah, if you're coming in a boat, too, it's probably making a lot of noise. Yeah. Right?

01:53:18 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah. Wait. They hear that thing from a long ways out. Two, three weeks ago, some loggers, they found them, they were, the chainsaw, the loggers were chainsawing on the Tawamanu River.

01:53:29 Speaker_02
The loggers were from the look of the kind of Sherlock Holmes in the image I saw that the loggers were cutting this log. They were dead where they were standing. So you think these guys are cutting this log. And the tribes are surrounding them.

01:53:43 Speaker_02
They had no idea. Wow. And they just started throwing arrows from the shadows. And so they found the bodies of two loggers. See if you can find that, Jamie. This was within August. Peru, tribes killed. There's a picture, like a blurry picture of it.

01:53:56 Speaker_02
Of the loggers? They don't show you anything. It's just when it comes in the media. I bet you can find it. I bet you can find it. I bet you my guys have it on WhatsApp.

01:54:03 Speaker_03
Dark web.

01:54:04 Speaker_02
I bet your WhatsApp group is wild. My WhatsApp group is ridiculous. I got to show you some of the pictures. I got to start sending you some crazy shit.

01:54:11 Speaker_03
Yeah, let me in.

01:54:12 Speaker_02
Yeah, man. Let me see some pictures. I promise I won't share them. I got terrible pictures. Because one time they killed these guys and their bodies were on the beach for a few days, and they blew up and became white, so they look like the Michelin Man.

01:54:23 Speaker_02
But then when the vultures got to them, they started ripping out their eyeballs and disemboweling them. So by the time people went to find them... Just skeletons. It was like the skeleton was half out of the face.

01:54:33 Speaker_02
It was some of the most gruesome shit you've ever seen. It was incredible.

01:54:37 Speaker_02
It's incredible that's like dude now now because of you know Just having a large social media following people just send me their craziest shit so I got to be careful what I open because people will send you a video and Like one thing that I found very disturbing somebody sent me a video and it was like here click on this

01:54:55 Speaker_02
And it was somebody like, there was like a deer, and he was feeding a deer and feeding a deer, and then he takes a handgun and shoots it in the head. And I was like, that's fucking horrible. I was like, no.

01:55:03 Speaker_02
So now I'm careful, but somebody sent me a few weeks ago a video of, which this one I'm probably gonna share, but I have to make sure that they don't get me for it.

01:55:11 Speaker_02
An elephant trainer in India and he's working next to this elephant And he's just working next to the elephant doing his thing and this elephant just decides that today ain't his day An elephant just knocks him over and crushes his pelvis.

01:55:22 Speaker_02
Oh, and then it's like that's not good enough So it pushes his foot on the guy's head and just flattens him and it's all on video

01:55:30 Speaker_02
Oh my it's well actually Jamie on there is there's one Picture of it might even say yeah It says elephant dead and it's just a picture of a guy his gun is broken in half and his head is flattened And that's in India that the elephant just they just say I'm the guy who's just like enough is enough Well, I mean people torture elephants.

01:55:49 Speaker_04
Oh, yeah.

01:55:50 Speaker_03
Oh, that's the guy. Oh boy. Yeah. Oh God, yeah Oh.

01:55:57 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:55:57 Speaker_03
Why'd you make me look at that?

01:55:58 Speaker_02
Hey, you want the good stuff or not? I do. I do. I want good stuff. Give it to all of me. Show me the arrows and the guys. The one next to that one is the elephant stepping on the guy if you want. Oh, OK. I'm here. While I'm here. I mean, it's important.

01:56:11 Speaker_02
People should know not to go, not to be, people think elephants are cuddly. They're not. They're not to be messed with. This one's horrible cuz it's not quick.

01:56:21 Speaker_02
It's not quick, but like see this elephant is not you know He's probably around this elephant every day, and it doesn't look like he's you see what he's doing what the dude is doing He's poking the all that shit's annoying. Yeah, this elephant's gone.

01:56:31 Speaker_02
You know what that's enough look So at this point He's already broken at this point.

01:56:40 Speaker_03
I mean his pelvis is gone even if he lived oh Everything's just getting crushed and Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. He just had enough. Oh, this is horrible, man. Just stomping this guy. He's already dead.

01:57:00 Speaker_02
Yeah, he's dead now. Oh, my God.

01:57:02 Speaker_03
He's so flat. That's so crazy. He's picking him up in his mouth.

01:57:09 Speaker_02
I mean, this elephant is angry.

01:57:11 Speaker_03
Oh, my God. This guy's so dead.

01:57:13 Speaker_02
That's it. But I mean, that's not even a big elephant.

01:57:16 Speaker_03
And this other guy runs in to stop it. Are you out of your fucking mind? But that elephant's probably tired of wearing that fucking stupid outfit, too.

01:57:23 Speaker_02
Yeah.

01:57:23 Speaker_03
Tired of getting poked at with a stick.

01:57:25 Speaker_02
Yep. And that's probably like a 5,000 pound Asian elephant, whereas the largest African elephant was something around 24,000 pounds. Oh my god. Yeah. 18 wheelers, they're huge.

01:57:38 Speaker_03
Yeah, and what's fucked up about that is like when? You have tribes or towns or villages of people that are growing things. Yeah, and the elephants find it.

01:57:48 Speaker_02
They just like sorry Yeah, that's really tough because there's not enough jungle for the elephants and then oh Yeah, and down an entire field full of pine. Yeah.

01:57:58 Speaker_03
No, this is my pineapple. These are my pineapple Yeah, they don't have any understanding of ownership like these are pineapples that are on the ground.

01:58:04 Speaker_03
No one's eating them Of course, I'm gonna eat them and they can eat all the pineapples And so now everybody starves and no one can stop them people come out.

01:58:11 Speaker_03
They throw rocks at them They'll push your house over they don't oh, yeah, let's dump you into the fucking dirt.

01:58:17 Speaker_02
They don't give a shit Can I tell you can't say my favorite elephant story for sure. Oh So I started doing work with this private game reserve in Africa called Buffalo Cloof. And it's these incredible people, Warren and Wendy Rippon.

01:58:28 Speaker_02
And I started going over there because they were using post 9-11 veterans to protect their elephants and rhinos.

01:58:34 Speaker_02
But their elephants, they found out, they call it the Holcroft herd, they found out that some Saudi prince had elephants in this reserve and they weren't irrigating it, so the elephants were dying.

01:58:46 Speaker_02
So they went and they did a flight over and they saw dead elephants, they saw dead animals, and there was, I think there was 10 or 11 elephants that were still alive. And so they went to the South African court, they repossessed the elephant herd.

01:59:00 Speaker_02
The owners of the reserve that I work with, they went,

01:59:02 Speaker_02
with a helicopter, you circle it around, they got the elephants together, they darted the whole family at once, all 11 elephants, got them on trucks, like semi-lucid, just kind of awake, got them onto trucks, transported them to Buffalo Club, where they're going to be safe, released them,

01:59:19 Speaker_02
They said that when these elephants woke up and came off the trucks and now they're in a private game reserve where they're gonna be safe the rest of their lives he said they just Exploded they went flying into the water started drinking playing bathing.

01:59:32 Speaker_02
Just eating everything They rearranged the entire ecosystem and one of the females was pregnant and they didn't know that the female was pregnant Wow, and so these people are doing this and create this crazy work where they're protecting black rhinos, which are critically endangered and

01:59:46 Speaker_02
elephants, white rhinos, all this stuff, and they're doing it through hunting. They're doing it where they have hunting, they have a reserve that is fenced in, because South Africa, everything's fenced in.

01:59:56 Speaker_02
But the elephants and the rhinos, and you're keeping, at this point, we're keeping black rhinos on the brink of extinction. We're keeping them from going extinct.

02:00:04 Speaker_02
But it's like you go there and these elephants are so happy because they're living in a place where they're free. Right. Wild. They have food. And they have as much food as they want. They have like 50,000 acres.

02:00:14 Speaker_03
What a dream for an elephant.

02:00:16 Speaker_02
To get rescued. You're guarded. You're like, oh, I'm fucked. You see a helicopter and you're like, oh shit.

02:00:19 Speaker_03
There's no water here. Everyone's dying. And then all of a sudden you're in this bountiful place.

02:00:24 Speaker_02
In this bountiful place.

02:00:25 Speaker_03
That's pretty dope.

02:00:26 Speaker_02
And it's funny too because talking about like the people the the you know the the the anti-hunting people and it's like this is a place where very very different reality than the Amazon, but where You know the the owner said to me He's like, you know, you can you can no one's gonna pay you $30,000 to take a picture of a buffalo He's like people pay $30,000 to hunt a buffalo all the time And so they use sustainable hunting of like the zebras and the buffalo and the impala and stuff like that to protect

02:00:52 Speaker_02
the entire ecosystem. So you have leopards and elephants and black rhinos, white rhinos. And so you have tourism and hunting side by side in this incredible game reserve. It's wild.

02:01:01 Speaker_03
Well, unfortunately, the only way where people really appreciate animals is to make them a commodity. Whether you make them a commodity for going on safari, whether you make them a commodity for hunting them.

02:01:10 Speaker_03
Because before that, when people were just poaching and doing market hunting, they were on the brink of extinction. There's a lot of animals there. A lot of the undulates that were on the brink of extinction.

02:01:20 Speaker_03
You know, there's um, there's animals in texas that you can hunt That are endangered in their native lands, but that they've bred them in texas.

02:01:29 Speaker_03
Yeah, they bred some There's more tigers in texas than there are in all the wild of the world just in people's yards Yeah, I just met somebody that had elan's on her property. This giant is very common huge fucking animal crazy horns

02:01:41 Speaker_03
They're cool looking but these these wild game reserves in Africa You know people go over there and they shoot these animals and then that meat gets donated to these tribes And this friend of mine who went over there to do that was saying that they went to this school Which was like it's to call it a school.

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It's just it's dirt floors You know, no windows, it's just this building where kids go, and the food they get is all canned. So they have canned foods, and so they brought them hundreds of pounds of meat.

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And everybody went crazy, the whole village comes, they get baskets of it, fresh meat. And it does help, it helps. But really what's fucked is that people live like that.

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Like really, the way to get people out of that situation when you have these insanely impoverished countries where you can take advantage of people and have a mine for cobalt is to try to elevate the standard of living for those people.

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Try to bring them power and give them irrigation and give them fresh water and figure out a way to get them resources.

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Yeah, and I mean that's exactly what we're doing in the Amazon is give the loggers a better fucking job. They don't want to be loggers. Nobody wants to be a gold miner. Nobody wants to be a poacher in Africa. I bet a lot of people want to be gold miners.

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Not this kind of gold miner. No, but that's not gold mining.

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That's this is sand mining for bits of gold This is what they cut down the Amazon for right but gold mining in Alaska probably fine properly imagine being part of the minor 49ers that came over here in 1849 That's different.

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You find a nugget of gold. Yeah, that's different.

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That's a whole different thing Have you seen the movie sissu? Mm-hmm.

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It's like a John wick movie from World War two it's about this crazy soldier who becomes a gold miner and he finds gold and He's you know retired done with the war and then he he's hiking out with his gold He's riding out with his gold and the Nazis.

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Yeah show up and he has to kill all those movies Oh where you can kill everybody like it's awesome. I can't I bet you can I can't Okay in the matrix is because they're in the matrix

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Right every other movie where one guy like the Taken where he can like take down a roomful It's a little ridiculous, but this guy you kind of believe it.

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Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty fucking bad I mean this guy's like covered in scars his whole body's been war his whole his whole life. Yeah

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Give it a chance. This is this is the guy wait Who's the actor? That's not Brendan Gleeson is no it's I don't know.

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I don't know his name, but it's not American movie Look at the look at the the trailer with the knife throw this fucking movie rules.

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Yeah It rules

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Yeah, that's the gentleman's name. I've never heard of him. But he's fucking awesome.

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The farthest I can go with violence was Peaky Blinders.

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Oh my god, what a show. Yo. What a show. Yo. What a show.

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I have so much trouble not just talking like Alfie Solomons my entire life. I fucking love that character.

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By order of the Peaky Blinders.

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That and then my newest thing is the 100 foot wave. If you haven't watched this thing, man.

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No, what's that?

02:04:47 Speaker_02
Oh my god.

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Surfers?

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Garrett McNamara. You know the wave in Portugal? Yes. It's the dude and his wife who discovered it. They tell the whole story where he's looking for big waves, they're all chasing big waves like point break shit.

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And then I think they get an email from someone. She gets an email from someone, she's like, we should go check out this wave. And this dude goes, first of all, wave porn all day long. Such a fucking good show.

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And I'm looking at this going, I want to make a show one day about how we made our national park. How the fuck did they document this?

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This dude is so insane to do that. So insane to ride.

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This is some of the best shit I've ever seen. I'm riveted by this. Also, I just can watch that wave again and again and again.

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Those guys who do that are different humans.

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But this is, it's the cinematography, it's the storytelling. Oh, he goes down! No! Yeah, dude. No! The injuries are brutal. I mean, you're talking about a 70-foot wave. Oh my God, the weight of that water must be insane.

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They literally went looking for the biggest wave. And then, just like that old tree in Ireland, this has become the thing for that town. People come there for the wave now. How many people die there every year? they have a pretty good safety system.

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They have like a jet ski rescue system where like, if I tow you onto a wave, I feel like I know it now from watching the show.

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If I tow you onto a wave and you catch this epic wave, but then you get trucked and you're under 40 feet of foam and you're getting just bashed under there.

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When that wave goes to the shore, I have like 10 seconds to race in there with my jet ski and you got to grab on before the next wave comes. And if you don't grab the ski, I got to leave you. And you gotta go under there.

02:06:28 Speaker_02
So as you're watching this show, you're like, do they die? Do they die?

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Are they okay?

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Holy shit. And the whole time they're just showing you this beautiful wave porn, constant waves. And you're just like, this is, this is, and these people wake up every day and have the same affliction that I have.

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They're just like, how do I get my adrenaline? It's like I feel like I can relate you ever meet those dudes they're so calm Because they're they're always coming down from it.

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They're like, ah, man, there's no waves today Just like when you meet when you meet like certain veterans, they're just like well, man, look we're not getting shot at today So it's all good.

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Yeah, it's fascinating how calm they are Kelly Slater. Yeah Yeah, he's awesome

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You've had Laird Hamilton. Laird Hamilton's in the stock.

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Shane Dorian is a good friend of mine. He does that shit too. All these guys, they're all chill dudes. They're like real serious people.

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Yeah, Laird shows up in there. They have him being like, yeah, that fucking wave is crazy. With his huge neck, he's just like, dude.

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His workout where he takes weights in the pool and walks on the bottom of the he's a fucking maniac Yeah, no, yeah, he's he's always been just I mean you just look at him.

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He's he's built like an action figure He's he's always been incredible.

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No days off with that guy And that world of just wanting to constantly get on the biggest waves. It's just such a nutty proposition I totally understand it though.

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I think it's to do something that that's it's like say, you know, you can ride a dragon and Yo, right, you know or you know Elon's like I want to go to Mars like somebody tells you look at the big a mountain of water Right, you can fly on that right?

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I'm in right sign me up. I mean, I feel like that's snowboarding and snowboarding is chiller You're not like taking your life in your hands But like when you're going as fast as you can on a snowboard down a mountain.

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Mm-hmm Like man, I am fucking surfing a mountain right now. Yeah, it is flying. It's an apex of life I feel like that when I jump on an anaconda I'm like I am going to die

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When I'm on a snowboard, I don't snowboard, but I ski. And when I ski, I'm like, don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Don't get hurt. Didn't get hurt. Yeah.

02:08:27 Speaker_01
Don't eat a tree.

02:08:28 Speaker_03
I've just been injured so many times in my life that I see people falling down.

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The last time I skied, too, I did wipe out pretty hard. See, skis, I don't like that your legs, I feel like I'm going to tie my legs into a knot.

02:08:41 Speaker_03
Yeah, but I don't like being attached to that board. Nope, because when you hit ice and you fall forward, that face smack, your teeth are coming right out. I know a dude who got fucked up on a snowboard that way.

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The snowboard went up and he landed head first and just got out cold.

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You know, friends had to find him. Yeah. I teach, somehow I've taught all my friends how to snowboard and I've never had anybody get hurt too bad. It's always like, you know. That's crazy. Bunny hill to like, you know, whatever.

02:09:08 Speaker_03
Shane, my friend Shane Dorian that I was just talking about, he destroyed his knee snowboarding. Yeah? Slammed into a tree, tore it apart, had to get reconstructive surgery. And, you know, think about that. Guy's whole life is riding waves.

02:09:21 Speaker_02
Shane Dorian? Yeah. Yeah. He's a surfer? Yeah.

02:09:24 Speaker_03
Awesome surfer. Big wave surfer. And so, you know, he had to get his knee reconstructed. As soon as it got fixed, right back to snowboarding.

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Yeah. I mean, dude, it's the thing you love. It's the thing you love. I don't get it. No matter how many dung beetles fly up my ass, I just keep going back to the jungle.

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I understand, but I don't get it. I do understand. I just, like, my brain didn't go down that path, but I get the path. I could have gone down that path. I see it. I see the lure. I see the lure of the big wave. I see the lure of the jungle.

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I see it. I think you do it in a lot of, I think you, you, I'm, you know, I think you do a lot of things obsessively.

02:10:03 Speaker_02
I think that when you get interested in something, whether it's elk hunting or whether it's archery or whatever it is, you go a hundred percent. And so you kind of get that same hit from it.

02:10:13 Speaker_02
These guys have just attached themselves to something that's insane.

02:10:17 Speaker_03
I think it's in everything. I think everything is like that. There's things that human beings find that are complicated and challenging. We gravitate towards those things because we get these rewards of accomplishment.

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And I think these rewards of accomplishment are built into our system of what it is to be a human being and what our purpose is on earth.

02:10:36 Speaker_03
And I think that there's, you can live your whole life and not find a thing that you find challenging and rewarding. And I think that's a tragedy, because I think you're living a boring ass life.

02:10:48 Speaker_03
And there's a lot of people, that's the great Thoreau quote, most men live lives of silent desperation. And that's real. Most people don't have a thing that they do that excites them. It's difficult and it's challenging and rewarding.

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And that's not a good life. It's a safe life, right? That's what people want. They want a safe life. People want to retire. I want to go off in the sunset. It's all bullshit.

02:11:12 Speaker_03
You want a life filled with challenges and rewards and you want to learn about yourself along the way. You want to make mistakes because that's how you grow.

02:11:20 Speaker_03
You want to do challenging things because that's how you find out how far you can push yourself. You want to learn more because it elevates your capacity to understand things. It's part of being a human.

02:11:31 Speaker_03
It's a fascinating thing that's elective, and that's the part about it that makes it interesting. It's elective. You don't have to do it. You can get a very plain, boring job that's not challenging or intriguing and just exist.

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And you can exist on bad food, and you can exist on bad information and watch television all day and never challenge your mind and just dull yourself with alcohol and slowly rot. until your body gives out.

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I think a lot of people clip their own wings thinking that, you know, that's not me.

02:12:05 Speaker_03
Yeah, that's true, too. I don't have access to that.

02:12:07 Speaker_02
And then you don't realize that the difference between you and Goggins or, you know, McNamara is just obsession. It's just go out and do it.

02:12:18 Speaker_03
And a lot of times, it's getting on a path. And then, like, think about Goggins. Like, when he first started that, what if he never did decide to get fit?

02:12:27 Speaker_03
What if he stayed that 300-pound dude who's just drinking milkshakes all day, and he was big and fat, and he couldn't even run 100 yards? That's who he was when he first started working out.

02:12:36 Speaker_03
And a switch flipped, and he got on a path, and he stayed on that path. He wasn't on that path his whole life. And then all of a sudden, he gets on that path and becomes the biggest psycho of all time on that path.

02:12:47 Speaker_02
But you have to either have a traumatic event that wakes you up or some sort of just boundless innate optimism that makes you think it's possible.

02:12:56 Speaker_03
I don't know if there's a you have to have this or that. I think there's a whole bunch of different things that can happen to people. I think near death experiences. I think loss of a loved one.

02:13:05 Speaker_03
I think maybe a realization that sometimes people just wake up and say I can't do this anymore. Whatever they're doing that's boring or sucky or just soul-sucking, they just get to a point where they go, I can't do this anymore.

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And sometimes it's just like an alcoholic hits rock bottom. It's like, I'm not drinking anymore. I'm fucking done. And people do, my friend Dave did that. He never went to rehab, didn't do nothing. He crashed his car.

02:13:28 Speaker_03
He got arrested because he ran away from the scene of the accident. He was drunk driving. And he said, I'm never drinking again. Never drank again. To the day he died. Just reached his limit. Didn't go to Alcoholics Anonymous. They're like, you have to go.

02:13:42 Speaker_03
He's like, no, I don't. I'm just not drinking anymore. I'm done. And he just had to, his whole life he was a drunk. He just had to get to this point where he's like, this can't be me anymore.

02:13:52 Speaker_02
Yeah. He just disgust yourself.

02:13:53 Speaker_03
There's a whole bunch of different ways to get to that.

02:13:55 Speaker_03
Sometimes you get to it through inspiration Sometimes you get to it through desperation Sometimes you get to it just through intrigue like sometimes, you know You walk into a jiu-jitsu gym and you've never even done a martial art in your whole life You take a lesson and you're like, oh my god, this is so fun And then five years later, you're a fucking jiu-jitsu wizard and you're obsessed with it you train every day and you're on this new path as a human being because you found a thing that excited you and

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And it could be big wave surfing. It could be playing chess. There's probably a thing out there that resonates with you. You just haven't had it. And then there's the thing of getting outside of your comfort zone, which people don't like to do.

02:14:32 Speaker_02
That's where people struggle.

02:14:33 Speaker_03
Yeah, because they have never had any experience with it, and they don't understand the reward of doing it. But the people that do do it all the time, whether it's

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you know, David Goggins or Jocko or anybody that you see that's like a fitness influencer or people that are like super fit, they just stay on the path. That's the key. The key is just every fucking day is a new challenge.

02:14:55 Speaker_03
You don't want to do it every day. If you're a guy who runs marathons, there's no fucking way you want to run every day. But you know if you want to run a sub-three-hour marathon, you've got to run every fucking day.

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And you've got to check your heart rate, and you've got to make sure you're eating correctly. You've got to do all those things. It's fucking hard to do. But because it's hard to do, people get obsessed.

02:15:16 Speaker_03
Maybe they run a 5K, and they're like, I can't believe I did it. Wow, I ran three miles.

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And then the next thing you know, you know what I'm gonna run a half marathon and they prepare for a half marathon And the next thing, you know, they're a fucking runner, you know, well And that's the thing that to me what I see is so many people going, you know, especially like at this point people like oh I can't believe you know You do this work in the jungle and they go I I always wanted to do this and I listen to when people say I always Wanted to do it.

02:15:41 Speaker_02
I'm like go do it.

02:15:42 Speaker_04
Yeah, I

02:15:43 Speaker_03
Go do it some people can't right because some people I mean the reality of some people have families and they have mortgages and they have loved ones They take care of there's not a chance in hell.

02:15:52 Speaker_03
You can take a father of four No, and also in this guy can become a jungle keeper It's just he's not gonna leave Ohio and you know and quit his job in Columbus and I mean not full-time But I'm saying he could he could do something you do something But the point is you you went on this path very or how old were you when you first started this path? 17

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Yeah, see that's a good age 17. You don't know what the fuck is going on in the world. You're young You're all full of cum and you're fucking teachers.

02:16:19 Speaker_02
Tell you what to do.

02:16:20 Speaker_03
Yeah, fuck fuck these people and then you know there's no rules confidence and intelligence and you decided to make this a path and then you find

02:16:28 Speaker_03
this incredibly rewarding part of the path which is saving the rainforest and so now you have a reason to live so your life becomes filled with meaning and that's the problem with a lot of people even that have jobs that are really good jobs they don't have meaning and that's why people fill their life up with bullshit they just buy things and do cocaine and fucking you know

02:16:50 Speaker_03
get a luxury yacht. They just get these things that are trying to fill some sense of purpose and meaning because they don't really enjoy what they do. They don't get just purely satisfied by what they actually do.

02:17:05 Speaker_03
They need all these other things to motivate them to keep doing it, and then they get caught up in this numbers game where a guy only has a billion dollars feels like a loser when he's hanging out with Jeff Bezos.

02:17:15 Speaker_02
I never understood that, dude. I never understood making it past a certain amount of income and not just going, Cool. Now I'm going to go enjoy. Now I'm going to take care of my friends.

02:17:24 Speaker_02
Now I'm going to take care of that one neighbor that I always knew needed help. Now I'm going to do this and just start doing good with that shit. And there are people who do that.

02:17:30 Speaker_03
I could tell you as a person who grew up poor, one of the things that happens is first initially you worry that you're not going to be able to maintain it. That's initial fear. That's super, super common. And guys start getting like really famine.

02:17:44 Speaker_03
It's interesting when they start making more money, they start getting more freaked out about money. I understand that.

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But there's a limit.

02:17:51 Speaker_03
You see that with a lot of Hollywood people. They change how they talk about things. They change their opinions. They don't want to take any risks. So you want to keep that gravy train rolling.

02:18:02 Speaker_03
But if you're doing something you enjoy doing, then I think if you like, especially if you're independent, like podcasters, right, it's a good example, start making money in podcasting, you like, Oh, this is great.

02:18:15 Speaker_03
Like, I just can make money doing a thing that I love to do. Like, I'm not gonna stop doing it. Why would I stop doing it? And I also can keep making a lot of money. I think I'll just keep doing it, especially since I enjoy it.

02:18:26 Speaker_03
So I don't even think about it like doing it for the money. I think about like, I would like to talk to Paul. He's an interesting dude. He lives in the Amazon. Oh, this is my job. I get to talk to Paul. Why would I stop? I mean, I would do this for free.

02:18:38 Speaker_03
But I'm not going to.

02:18:40 Speaker_02
Yeah, but you're also, you've changed the world of podcasting. You've kind of like flown above that, I'm saying. But even for the normal guy at a business. Yeah, but all that's by accident.

02:18:51 Speaker_02
I know, but I'm saying a normal person makes his first five million. You know what I mean?

02:18:55 Speaker_03
Like people just don't- No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

02:18:57 Speaker_02
Now I need 30 million.

02:18:58 Speaker_03
No, you need more. You need more because you got a mortgage, you got this, you got that. What if your kids go to college?

02:19:02 Speaker_03
Also, your money's not going to be worth as much because of inflation and what if you invest in this fucking hedge fund and this and that and this goes under or what if you're an idiot and you invest in NFTs or Bitcoin.

02:19:15 Speaker_03
I know a dude who just lost a shit load of money.

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Crypto coin like you get nutty you think it's free money and like no it's some kind of crazy thing That's don't going on we got fake money Some weird created money, and you just spent a lot of real money to buy some of this weird like fucking imaginary money Digital money do you want to buy a what were those things those fake pictures that people bought for a while and FTS?

02:19:44 Speaker_02
What was that about?

02:19:45 Speaker_03
What was that about? That was crazy. Bro, and they sold for millions of dollars. I know a dude who made, he got rich.

02:19:52 Speaker_02
He was an artist.

02:19:53 Speaker_03
He got rich selling NFTs.

02:19:55 Speaker_02
Yeah, yeah. In the beginning when everyone was like frothy with it. It sold and then they dropped to nothing. So I always have all these people coming up to me and they're like, oh man, You're trying to raise money for the rainforest.

02:20:04 Speaker_02
You need to get into the NFT market. So I almost got got by the NFT people.

02:20:09 Speaker_03
Yeah. No, I've had multiple occasions where I've been asked to do things for NFTs and I've been asked to do things with crypto. And I was like, I don't even know what it is. So how the fuck am I going to do? How am I going to endorse?

02:20:23 Speaker_03
I won't endorse something unless it's a product that I've used or makes sense or they can explain to me, oh, this is how it works. OK, it makes sense.

02:20:32 Speaker_03
But if you're doing something like an NFT like Jamie tried to explain it to me like six or seven times Yeah, and I was like, okay, but you have it on your phone, right? So I can take a screenshot and I have it on my phone too. Yeah.

02:20:44 Speaker_03
No, but you don't own it Okay, what does that mean? I have this I have the same thing you have the exact same experience of having this million-dollar yacht ape Is that what it's called? No, it's the board ape. What was the board ape?

02:20:56 Speaker_03
What was the a fucking cartoon picture of a monkey? It would have they called though. It was a yacht apes or board apes was there was like one that a lot of people were buying. And I was like, what the fuck are you paying money for? This is crazy.

02:21:10 Speaker_03
It's called the Bored Ape Yacht Club. Oh, that's what it is.

02:21:13 Speaker_02
Bored Ape Yacht Club.

02:21:14 Speaker_03
OK, Bored Ape. Bored Ape. Show an image of what these fucking things are. And what was the most expensive one that went for? By the way, that's an NFT, OK? That thing? Yeah. But that's a whole different product. Yeah, that's Elon Musk.

02:21:33 Speaker_02
Okay, did it just change color because we talked about it that thing.

02:21:35 Speaker_03
No that thing. No, that's like a digital piece of art, right? That's a completely different thing. So you have to plug it in. Yeah, but that thing was a gift from an artist.

02:21:49 Speaker_03
People oh yeah, sorry people, but people's he puts up digital art every fucking day So when you he has like a gallery and you go there, and he's just giant digital art It's like those kind of NFTs make sense this thing is like a shit cartoon, and how much did they go for oh?

02:22:05 Speaker_05
I mean, at the top, so those numbers at the bottom right there are showing, that would be like, I think it's ether. So 111 ether would be the price. That's 3,000 a coin right now. So it'd be 300 grand. 300 grand? It said it was sold at 769.

02:22:20 Speaker_05
But you could just screenshot it. So it was sold at 769. So it was sold at close to a million dollars.

02:22:30 Speaker_03
And what is that?

02:22:31 Speaker_05
Getting into the screenshot thing is a tough thing, because it's like, you own a car, but me having a picture of your car on my phone doesn't mean I own your car.

02:22:37 Speaker_03
Yeah, but you don't understand what I just said earlier. I know. I said it's the exact same experience. Yeah, I know. The experience of having it on your phone is very different than the experience of you having a picture of my car.

02:22:46 Speaker_05
It's the same with any art, then. That's just the argument for art.

02:22:50 Speaker_03
No, but it's not because a bad example, but Mona Lisa I can look at the Mona Lisa on my phone all day long I don't own it right, but there's a big difference between owning the Mona Lisa on your phone It's like the Mona Lisa was only on a phone and you could just screenshot it and you would also have the exact same Experience of the Mona Lisa the difference in the physical Mona Lisa is it's hundreds of years old, right?

02:23:09 Speaker_03
It's painted by a master.

02:23:10 Speaker_05
I'm not you don't just own it on your phone Is this sort of the thought but but you do where do you own it?

02:23:16 Speaker_03
But the thing is you can replicate

02:23:17 Speaker_05
Phones and access point to where you do own it. That's like saying your bank account.

02:23:21 Speaker_03
You know like is only on your phone But I I hear what you're saying, but it's not the same because there's no real value in that NFT It's fake like the experience of having it is no different It's not like I mean I get the you're saying that it's money look.

02:23:35 Speaker_03
I'm gonna trade it as

02:23:36 Speaker_05
I'm I agree with everything you're saying as someone that is invested in this stuff and I'm like, how much do you waste?

02:23:42 Speaker_05
How much did you wish I didn't waste any because I was getting stuff when it was you're gonna hit or whatever, you know I bought it at the right time.

02:23:49 Speaker_05
I could have sold it and made a bunch of money, but I did not I would have had to pay taxes and all that money to write people are doing or did and all that stuff It's also kooky. The thing I was gonna bring up is I'm in a sports cards now. Those are I

02:24:02 Speaker_05
Why is that stuff worth money?

02:24:03 Speaker_03
Well because they're original physical things and then they're also like have serial numbers on them I guess if you had a fake one, that's where you don't know if anyone's faking it But the thing is the real ones you're also getting like a little piece of history like this This arrowhead if somebody made this arrowhead, and I didn't know because guys do make arrowheads There's a lot of modern-day people that make arrowheads, but this one was found at a friend of mine's ranch I have a bunch of these

02:24:28 Speaker_03
I have a few of them at home. They're they're fucking amazing because these are like little windows into a time in history that was not that long ago that was right here and they're all over the place. And somebody made that.

02:24:39 Speaker_03
Somebody made that and it took a long ass time and then they had to make the rods for the arrows. Which is not that easy.

02:24:47 Speaker_02
No. No it's not. Like if we went out in the forest right now and we said let's find a perfectly straight stick.

02:24:52 Speaker_03
Well, not only that you have to use sinew to make the string for your bow Yeah, you have to know what woods to use for the bow. You have to know how to harden those woods and If you're making a recurve bow, now you're talking even crazier.

02:25:06 Speaker_02
Even if you're just trying to make a simple longbow.

02:25:09 Speaker_03
A simple longbow.

02:25:12 Speaker_02
And you have to be accurate with that thing. And so that means you have to have enough arrows to practice with. Fire is the same thing. Every time I try and show someone how to make fire, it's like, this is such a process.

02:25:24 Speaker_03
It's such a process.

02:25:24 Speaker_02
Just to get fire started. Yeah, which is again, it's so much fun being out in the jungle because whoever you are no matter how rich you are No matter how hot your shit is you're on the jungle. You're shitting with the dung beetles.

02:25:35 Speaker_03
Do you bring fire starter?

02:25:38 Speaker_03
You know that stuff that so like they sell they have like bricks of this stuff Or cords of it you cut off a little bit of a piece of it And then you have a flint and a piece of steel and you knock the two of them together like this this deal those rods the

02:25:52 Speaker_03
Yeah, ferro rod. Exactly. That's exactly what it is, right? And you light that stuff and it's soaked in chemicals. It's probably fucking terrible to breathe in, but that will keep fire for a long time and you can use it to start fires.

02:26:05 Speaker_02
Yeah, we don't. I mean, usually we just have a lighter with us, but there have been times. It's wet. That's the problem. So the only real way, especially in the rainy season, the wood is soaked through.

02:26:16 Speaker_02
Like if this was a stick, it's soaked through and through. It's not gonna burn.

02:26:20 Speaker_02
Have to be very creative you have to like put some diesel fuel in a tuna can and make a fire over that and then let The let that burn for a little bit so it dries everything out it dries everything out and then like even then it's a very like It's not a very enthusiastic fire, right?

02:26:34 Speaker_02
So I guess I'll burn if you need me to you're trying to like cook a pot of beans And it's your last pot of beans, and it's all the food you got oh my god pain in the ass things I want to burn, but when there's rain We're happy.

02:26:45 Speaker_02
So you never bring like a little Bunsen burner those little camp those little lightweight ones No, no, no and and honestly, that's a great idea for expeditions But what we do we bring these big propane tanks and just throw it on the boat And if you can't bring that then nothing but like what we have at the camping stores here where they have like the little ones They go in your backpack.

02:27:04 Speaker_02
They just don't sell those in the where we go, right? You know so like and you can't bring a plane.

02:27:09 Speaker_03
Oh, you can't no

02:27:10 Speaker_02
No, you can't bring a propane tank on a plane.

02:27:14 Speaker_03
An empty one?

02:27:16 Speaker_02
Like if you go to REI and buy whatever those little camp stoves have in them, you can't bring that on a plane.

02:27:22 Speaker_03
So is there a place where you can receive packages?

02:27:25 Speaker_02
Where you can get it shipped to you? Yeah, we could probably get it shipped to Lima and then have it shipped down or whatever else.

02:27:29 Speaker_02
But I mean, right now we have a system that works, but again, to me, this may be me being like a Luddite, but it's like when we're out on expeditions, To me, I want everyone's shit off. People are like, oh, I have this new device.

02:27:42 Speaker_02
I can get network anywhere. I'm like, turn it off.

02:27:44 Speaker_03
That makes sense.

02:27:45 Speaker_02
Turn it off.

02:27:46 Speaker_03
The thing about this is it helps you boil water. Jet boils is what they call them. So it's this little thing. It's got a little tank and it lasts for days. You just cook it up when you want to cook food.

02:27:55 Speaker_03
You know, you turn it on, you have a little thing with you and freeze-dried food and shit. That's what a lot of these guys pack when they go 30 miles deep into the woods.

02:28:03 Speaker_02
They have coffee real quick.

02:28:04 Speaker_03
Yeah, you can make a coffee if you want to.

02:28:06 Speaker_02
Yeah. I brought a guy who used to work at National Geographic on an expedition with me and it was a couple of local guys, me, my friend Mohsen and him, and we went up this river. In hindsight, he was like, he actually thought we were messing with him.

02:28:18 Speaker_02
He was like, this can't be what you guys do. He was like, you just have a fucking boat and tents. He was like, it was the bugs, the sand, the brutal, the sun beating. He goes, why don't you have a fucking roof? Do you become accustomed to the bug bites?

02:28:31 Speaker_02
Yeah.

02:28:32 Speaker_03
So is it just, you just deal with it or does your body develop any kind of an antibody to it or anything?

02:28:38 Speaker_02
to the sand fly bites like me and JJ get bitten and we bleed but we don't get the like the Elevated skin like that. So your body doesn't react to it anymore. Dude wasp bites I don't even react to bullet ant bites anymore. I'm on number 11.

02:28:51 Speaker_02
What are you talking about? I'm talking about I just got bit by a bullet ant as I was trying to go to bed. I got up to go to bed I was doing something with people, I stood up, and I know the feeling by now. You're just like, oh, there it is again.

02:29:02 Speaker_02
Bit me right in the foot. I just wanted to bed. No way. Yeah. It's starting to lose its efficacy on me. Wow.

02:29:10 Speaker_03
I didn't know that that was the case, because I saw those rites of passage thing that they do where they take these guys, the glove.

02:29:17 Speaker_03
And they fill their hand up with bullet ants and they have the bullet ants stuck in the gloves so they can't go anywhere So they just keep fucking you up and it's supposed to be some thing that they do that is like a religious experience It's it's a it's a right of passage.

02:29:31 Speaker_02
It's a right of passage. So they'll they'll they'll pair.

02:29:34 Speaker_02
It's kind of like a bonding thing They'll like find a video that it's a it's a fucking mad right of passage thing They'll take like a young man do it to him and then they'll have a girl take care of him afterwards and it's and it's like sort of trying to encourage them to like pair up and

02:29:46 Speaker_02
Oh, I know that steve-o did it. I saw a video. Of course he did that retard.

02:29:50 Speaker_03
Yeah Come and talk to him. I'm like, please stop. Please stop. Don't let people punch you. Please stop. Don't let this happen Just take care of yourself. Please stop so much Yeah He's uh, he's so banged up.

02:30:03 Speaker_03
He's such a wild man Have you ever seen the one when he was in? Africa and he climbed up the trees and a lion climbed up the trees with him and pulled his hat off. Yeah Those are real lions.

02:30:11 Speaker_02
Like lion lions. I always wanted to ask about that because he's in a hammock and they have meat hanging from the hammock and there's lions like biting their asses.

02:30:18 Speaker_03
Yeah, I don't understand him. He looks good. They play keep away with hyenas. So he's got it on. He's freaking out. Yeah. Let me hear some volume.

02:30:30 Speaker_01
And the next day Chris's hand looked like Mickey Mouse's.

02:30:37 Speaker_03
What a fucking psycho.

02:30:39 Speaker_02
Wild Boys was a show.

02:30:41 Speaker_03
You can get stung by those things now. And I thought it was like, my friend Steve got it. He said it was like 12 hours of excruciating pain.

02:30:49 Speaker_02
And he said he could barely walk. My first one was like that. My first one was like that. I was like out. Like your lymph nodes swell up. You have horrible pain in your body. You have a headache. One bite. One bite, one bite to the arm.

02:31:01 Speaker_02
And now... Did you do it on purpose? Yeah. Oh. Well, because the guys were like, yo, what up? They're like, you think you're tough? Big guy? Down there, I'm big. Up here, I'm not big. Down there, they're like, oh, you're a big guy, huh?

02:31:11 Speaker_03
Does anybody work out? You're the only guy that works out in the jungle.

02:31:13 Speaker_02
You're out there doing chin-ups, and they're like, what the fuck is this guy doing? They think I'm weird. I'm sure they do. Because I'm in the sun with my shirt off doing push-ups, sit-ups, pull-ups, doing my jungle workout.

02:31:24 Speaker_01
And they're like walking by, like, what's wrong with Gringo Loco?

02:31:26 Speaker_02
Why does he do this? Crazy fucker.

02:31:28 Speaker_01
Yeah.

02:31:29 Speaker_02
But then I go climb the giant trees, and I'm like, all right, listen, you know?

02:31:32 Speaker_01
Yeah. You want to come?

02:31:33 Speaker_02
And they're like, no. So they said, you think you're tough? So they took a bullet ant, and you play bullet ant roulette. No way. So we take a bullet ant, and I put it on my arm so it starts walking around.

02:31:44 Speaker_02
And then you take your arm, and we just mash our forearms together. And we go like this. Oh, boy. And whoever it stings. Oh boy. It's super fun. It's a great drinking game.

02:31:54 Speaker_03
Oh, super fun.

02:31:55 Speaker_02
Dude, you mix that with doing shots, it's awesome. Sounds really fun. It's so much fun.

02:31:59 Speaker_03
So you were wrecked for how long?

02:32:01 Speaker_02
How about a day and a half? I took it really bad. That's not fun.

02:32:03 Speaker_03
I took it really bad.

02:32:04 Speaker_02
You and I have a different understanding of fun. The excitement of wondering who it's going to hit is fun.

02:32:09 Speaker_03
I would rather not know.

02:32:10 Speaker_02
Dude. I don't want to know what that feels like. See, that's different. When I see the wet paint sign, I go, really? I don't. I go, let's paint.

02:32:20 Speaker_03
Somebody painted it. I don't respect that guy's work.

02:32:23 Speaker_02
No, no. I can never. I have to. And with the dumbest things, too. People could be like.

02:32:27 Speaker_03
So how many times did you do it voluntarily?

02:32:30 Speaker_02
Once.

02:32:30 Speaker_03
OK, once.

02:32:31 Speaker_02
No, never more than once.

02:32:32 Speaker_03
And every other time after that was just?

02:32:34 Speaker_02
Every other time than that, you're just doing your life. And there's just a bullet in it.

02:32:36 Speaker_03
Pain rating, 4 plus on the Schmidt Signing Pain Index. Sting Pain Index. The highest possible rating. And you can just go to sleep after that? Causes waves of pain for up to 12 hours after a single sting. Being studied for use in biological insecticides.

02:32:53 Speaker_03
Of course it is. Of course it is. Paralyzes insects and causes pain in humans. Affects voltage-gated sodium channels and blocks synaptic transmission in the central nervous system. Yo, how many people died from bullet ants?

02:33:07 Speaker_02
I don't know but it does feel like something that at the level where you have it as a glove could kill you Yeah, like I feel like given given the intensity that my system felt from one

02:33:18 Speaker_03
Do you think that those people have already been stung a couple of times?

02:33:21 Speaker_02
Those kids have grown up being stung. So J.J. said he didn't have shoes until he was 13, so he grew up walking through the jungle. He said he had his first bulletin ant sting when he was like two years old.

02:33:29 Speaker_03
Oh my God.

02:33:30 Speaker_02
Which like as a two year old, that's like being stung in the face by like a wasp the size of this water pitcher.

02:33:36 Speaker_03
Imagine what that feels like if you're a baby a soft baby That just fucks you and so so they are Experiencing it akin to what you experience now So when they're putting the glove on even though it's horrific and it's getting their whole hand and there's a bunch of those bullet ants in there They're probably much more custom

02:34:00 Speaker_02
I think that they have, because they've grown up in the jungle, they're much more accustomed. But, I mean, you're watching Steve-O do it, like, I would think twice before putting my hand in that glove and not having a hospital nearby.

02:34:10 Speaker_02
Because I would think that you could go, that could be overwhelming to your system. They're very intense. It's not a joke.

02:34:16 Speaker_02
Like I could get bitten by a bullet ant right now and go, all right, well, we're going to do the rest of our day because I feel like it. But what you really want to do is just stop living because it just hurts everywhere.

02:34:28 Speaker_03
So is it that you just accept the pain and you understand what it is and you don't freak out? Or is it your pain Threshold is it has it lowered? Yeah, because you've done it a bunch of times.

02:34:40 Speaker_02
So your body's immune to it Yes, it has to lower it has to lower to the point that you can make the decision to Like grit and bear it, you know, cuz cuz at first it's so bad that you walk around going And you're like wait, okay

02:34:54 Speaker_02
If I walk, I'm in pain. If I lay down, I'm in more pain. There's nothing you can do. There's nothing you can do. You're just fucked. And so now it's different. And now I'm like, man, God damn it.

02:35:05 Speaker_02
And I'm like, well, let's go do what we're going to do anyway. I'm just going to be in a bad mood. So now is it like a wasp sting to a normal person? Yeah. And so now a wasp sting to me, like I'll just catch a wasp now.

02:35:13 Speaker_02
Cause like, I was like, you know, like I come home and I see people like running from a yellow jacket and I'm like, I'll just like grab it with my hand, let it stick.

02:35:18 Speaker_03
We were talking about this yesterday. I genuinely think that people must feel pain differently and it makes sense That some people just I don't even think it's a tolerance thing.

02:35:29 Speaker_03
I Think it feels different I think that's sort of like the same thing with spicy food and there's a bunch of different things like that cold water there's things that people can tolerate and it seems like they're not just being tougher now like it's not as hard for them and

02:35:42 Speaker_03
Like there's a, you know, maybe their ancestry evolved around being in pain all the time.

02:35:48 Speaker_02
So they got accustomed to it. My friend, Noel, my childhood best friend, he always calls me and goes, dude, you want to go surfing in Montauk? And I go, bro, it's February. Fucking February, there's gonna be ice on the water.

02:35:59 Speaker_02
And he's like, yeah, but the swell is awesome. We'll wear wetsuits. So one time I tried it with him. I will never do it again. So are your hands in a wetsuit or no? No.

02:36:09 Speaker_02
You have booties, boots on, but it's so fucking, every time a wave washes over you, it goes flying down your back. Of course. You're in ice cold water. And yes, the waves are incredible. I don't care. And you can't breathe.

02:36:21 Speaker_02
I mean, it's so it's it's like I mean you do the cold plunge all the time and it's like yeah But I'm not moving and you're not out there for four hours and you're not sitting on your board waiting for a wave Balance my cold ass knees, but but so to me I look at Nolan I go shit either.

02:36:36 Speaker_02
He's way tougher than I am Or he just is predisposed to not really giving a shit about cold water. I hate cold water.

02:36:43 Speaker_03
It could be that, or it could be you get acclimated. You get accustomed. Because we're talking about people, we adjust to our environments. We adjust to all kinds of different things.

02:36:54 Speaker_03
You probably get accustomed to that experience and the rush of riding those waves. And it's also, there's a thing about being a badass, putting that wetsuit on and getting in that ocean.

02:37:04 Speaker_02
That's where it gets me. Where it goes, no, I'm going to make myself do it.

02:37:08 Speaker_03
That's where I get myself on it where it's like there is a certain satisfaction to going Yeah, take it take another frozen wave if you're warm in your house, and you're looking outside It's snowing and it's ice on the ground and you're looking at your wetsuit.

02:37:22 Speaker_03
You're warm. You're warm. Oh You're drinking soup warm. You know you got some chicken noodle soup. Oh, you're just so warm, and you're watching television Why would I go to the ocean good moon? Are you guys really gonna?

02:37:34 Speaker_03
Go let's not go you sure you wanna go pussy We're gonna go and the guy comes back with fucking icicles in his beard and shit

02:37:41 Speaker_02
Yeah, there's a... and we admire those people. Well, you, you fucking savage. You said you wake up cold and go in your cold plunge. That's not that hard. That's terrible. It's not that hard. To wake up cold and not do any push-ups or something?

02:37:53 Speaker_02
If you told me you worked up a sweat first, I would say, okay, fine.

02:37:57 Speaker_03
I do it sometimes after the sauna, but then I always finish on the cold. Yeah, but that feels good. I always, if I do that, I never go cold, sauna, heat up, and then go outside. I go sauna, cold, sauna, always end on cold.

02:38:12 Speaker_03
So you always freeze your dick off at the end. But it's not that hard. It's three minutes. If you count slowly to ten, two times, it's three minutes. That's what I've found. So I just count slowly to ten for three minutes and that's it.

02:38:26 Speaker_02
I respectfully disagree with you I think this is one of those things where you you have found that this is a way for you to sort of flex for yourself and You've gotten used to it and you've come up with a system.

02:38:38 Speaker_02
I would never I just do certain things. I just don't want to do Yeah, it sucks.

02:38:42 Speaker_03
I don't want to do it every day every day. I don't want to do it But I tell myself shut the fuck up pussy pick up the lid. Yes, put it down climb in You know, you're climbing in stop Oh, I do want to say Garmin.

02:38:55 Speaker_03
Your new Phoenix 8 watch shuts off when you get in the cold plunge.

02:39:00 Speaker_01
No!

02:39:00 Speaker_03
Yeah, so I have a Phoenix 8 and I have a Phoenix 7. They're awesome. I love these things. But the Phoenix 7 I have to wear when I do the cold plunge. So if I work out with that one. But this one has a better heart sensor. This one's just better overall.

02:39:14 Speaker_03
The eight, but it sucks that if you go in cold water, it doesn't even make any sense. Like, how did you go backwards? The old one, you go into cold water and nothing happens. Underwater operating temperature range, zero to 40. Yeah, that's not true.

02:39:28 Speaker_03
So Google this, Phoenix eight shutting off cold plunge. Google that. Trust me, I looked it up online. It's not just me. Yeah. See? Watch turns off and reboots in cold water. Yeah. That's what everybody notices.

02:39:50 Speaker_03
So if I'm in the water for five seconds, it shuts off. Damn. Yeah. So they're apparently going to fix that. I hope it's a software issue. They better fix it now. But the crazy thing is they have a dive feature on this watch.

02:40:02 Speaker_03
So if you're swimming and you're diving and you're in cold water, it's going to shut off.

02:40:06 Speaker_02
I mean, if you're down there and you're like, how much time do I got on this tank? Exactly. You can't have your watch turned off.

02:40:11 Speaker_03
Right. And if you get down to depths and it's below 40 degrees, it's probably going to shut off. I don't even know what temperature it shuts off, but people have done it in cold water.

02:40:20 Speaker_03
So they've taken a glass of cold water and dropped the watch in cold water and it shuts off. Not good, Garmin. It's just not good that you just released this thing and didn't know. And didn't check it.

02:40:30 Speaker_03
How did you not check for cold plunges when you got a dive function on the watch?

02:40:35 Speaker_02
Interesting.

02:40:35 Speaker_03
Yeah. So, apparently, they think they can fix it with software, which I hope is true. Well, that would be good. But the 7 works. That doesn't make any sense. I've never had a problem with the 7. I put the 7 on in the sauna. I put it on in the cold.

02:40:47 Speaker_03
Never have a problem with it. Yeah. Well, I'm like that watch. Cold, kryptonite.

02:40:52 Speaker_05
The message boards say it's a software issue, and you can fix it by putting it in beta if you know how to do that.

02:40:57 Speaker_03
Right, but beta disables the dive function. Oof. Yeah. So the beta that they put out, it disables the dive function. I think there's some talk of another workaround, like maybe shutting off the touchscreen, that maybe that would help.

02:41:11 Speaker_03
But the problem is, it's like, you have a watch that everybody's used to cold plunging in. They're used to jumping in the ocean in, they're used to doing stuff in, and then the new one doesn't let you do it. That's, you can't release that.

02:41:26 Speaker_03
You've got to fix that before you, you didn't have to sell it yesterday. I mean, it just came out, like, I think September. I took I ordered one it took a while to get there. I was all excited and then first cold punch I'm like what in the fuck.

02:41:38 Speaker_03
That's a wolf tooth. That's a wolf tooth. Yeah. Yeah, I forget who gave me that one Yeah, I got a lot of shit here man from cool stuff that people have given me

02:41:47 Speaker_03
But having things like that, like a watch that does GPS, like this watch has maps on it, shows you your elevation. You can get a lot of information off of these things. And you can track waypoints on them.

02:42:02 Speaker_03
And I always use a thing called Onyx Hunt as well. And Onyx Hunt is a software app. You download maps for the specific regions, and you can hit a tracking function. No, it doesn't I bet it can I don't know how to do it.

02:42:15 Speaker_03
I don't do it on your phone I just do it on my phone.

02:42:17 Speaker_03
I use this mostly for Elevation you can use GPS on it But it will drain your battery a lot quicker because if you don't use it if I don't use the GPS function This thing will go like 30 plus days with without charging without charge Yeah, and monitoring your heart rate doing all kinds of different shit.

02:42:35 Speaker_03
It's a flashlight. It's built-in and

02:42:38 Speaker_02
A flashlight?

02:42:39 Speaker_03
Yeah, look at that. Built in. It's nuts. So if you're out in the woods and you don't have a flashlight, it's LED flashlight and it lasts for fucking ever. Because it's LED, because it doesn't draw a lot of power. These fucking things are incredible.

02:42:53 Speaker_03
But this new one, you guys fucked up.

02:42:56 Speaker_02
But having those things, like, do you bring an inReach or anything? Well, I mean, because we also do tourism, we bring, you know, we bring out a sat phone, but now, dude, now Starlink.

02:43:06 Speaker_02
Right now at my at our base at the tree house and at our research station. We have two different star links So we have better internet there than I have in the Hudson Valley in New York Dude, I can, dude. Isn't that incredible? It is. It is.

02:43:19 Speaker_02
It's absolutely incredible.

02:43:20 Speaker_03
It really is amazing. It's amazing how small it is too.

02:43:23 Speaker_02
You can also take it and put it on a boat if you need to. So like, so I, I finally let, like Lex broke me down on this.

02:43:30 Speaker_02
I finally started a YouTube channel and it's like, I'm going to start bringing people on all kinds of shit because now I can just stream it from there. Right. Fuck TV crews. You can have it. I'm going to take people on night walks.

02:43:39 Speaker_03
On the roof of your car as you're driving around the jungle.

02:43:42 Speaker_02
Yeah, well, hopefully there's no roads, but I want to take people like I can literally put on your backpack Yeah, you probably could literally have it flat on the top of your pack Yeah And walk around at least catch some signal catch some signal or you know for the boat like if we go look we're gonna be going four hours up river and we know that there's an invasion and we're going with the police to go check out these loggers there's gonna be some fucking action going down throw the Starlink on the boat I could live stream that and take people with me.

02:44:08 Speaker_02
Whoa. Yeah, or Now, so we, a few weeks ago, I sent you that picture of that huge anaconda, the one with the blue eyes. And we've been working slowly on breaking the 20-foot mark. That one was 19-something.

02:44:26 Speaker_02
And so we've been working more and more on the anaconda project. And my guys, and you know like when you have your people with elk hunting where they go, dude, I saw an elk. And certain people you trust. My guys?

02:44:39 Speaker_02
They went we found one that's over seven meters and they haven't caught it yet. Are you talking over 21 feet? So we've broken 19, right? And so we're gonna be going out for that.

02:44:50 Speaker_02
And so that's the type of thing where I'm going Imagine bringing people because I after our first show the comments were hysterical where people going this guy's full of shit Like, absolutely hysterical.

02:45:02 Speaker_02
Like, people were just going... About the anacondas, in particular? About everything we talked about. Oh, that's funny. Like, the internet was just like, great show, this guy's full of shit. There's so much documentation of it. I know, I know.

02:45:10 Speaker_02
All they have to do is go to your page. They were like, oh, this guy really is there. Some of them were really funny. I laugh at a lot of the comments. They were like, oh, I'll take that never fucking happened for 300 Alex.

02:45:19 Speaker_03
Like, you know, it's like, okay, great. Well, people always want to say that.

02:45:22 Speaker_02
People always want to say that, but now, it's like, now, we can fucking live stream this shit.

02:45:28 Speaker_04
Right.

02:45:29 Speaker_02
And we go jump on a snake with a head this big. So we're putting together an expedition to do this now. And it's going to be fun.

02:45:37 Speaker_03
In these areas that you go to, have they ever done any of those LIDAR explorations of it, where they fly drones over to try to map out if there was some ancient structures in these areas?

02:45:50 Speaker_02
Yeah, so we talked to the local people and they find the Terra Preta Earth and the pottery in the areas that it is. So usually the places that it is, and we kind of talked about this, like the Graham Hancock. I always want to say Graham Watkins.

02:46:05 Speaker_02
Graham Hancock. I think that on the Amazon proper, I think there was a lot of civilizations. Out in the tributaries where I am, it's very rare to come across those things, those ancient civilizations.

02:46:15 Speaker_03
So those people, the uncontacted tribes out in the tributaries, they're probably living the way they've been living for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

02:46:23 Speaker_02
So my book publisher, it was so funny, I got kind of like, I was writing something and I said something about these Stone Age warriors, what this guy must have seen as these Stone Age warriors came and murdered him with arrows, and they were like, how dare you call them Stone Age warriors?

02:46:38 Speaker_02
And I went, what? They don't even have stones. So first of all. Right. They're really stick age. Did I? Yeah. Did I just get woked for? Is Stone Age a bad thing to say?

02:46:50 Speaker_02
But I mean, it's not very often that you come into that problem because we wouldn't call most normal people Stone Age people.

02:46:54 Speaker_03
Well, the Native Americans were essentially Stone Age.

02:46:56 Speaker_02
Well, he uses it in Empire of the Summer Moon. He goes, well, these Stone Age warriors are da da da da. And I was like, well, these are pretty much Stone Age people. And so I wrote it and I basically got told like, hey, don't say that.

02:47:05 Speaker_03
God, how weird is that?

02:47:07 Speaker_02
I also lost a book deal because I retweeted that Elon Musk liked our treehouse.

02:47:11 Speaker_03
So you lost a book deal?

02:47:14 Speaker_02
Yeah, I had an amazing meeting with all the people. This lady was like the Devil Wears Prada, like Meryl Streep. She was like the big head honcho at one of the major publishers and they were like, dude, your next book is gonna kill.

02:47:26 Speaker_02
She had like 20 other people on this Zoom call. We had like an hour long thing. We talked about you. She was like, and how close are you with Joe Rogan? And I was like, we're bros. And then they were like, well, either way, it was going really good.

02:47:44 Speaker_02
Liberals. I was thinking I was going to get a life changing amount of money. I was thinking I was going to get like a million dollar book deal. And that got confirmed through a bunch of avenues that it was a big one.

02:47:54 Speaker_02
And then, and they were very impressed with Lex. They love Lex. And she was like, you have Lex Friedman in the Amazon? I said, he's right over there. I was like on the phone, on Starlink, talking to this publisher.

02:48:04 Speaker_02
And she's like, so your next book is gonna tell the whole story? I said, yeah. And then that week, Elon tweeted, cool treehouse. Now, when the greatest inventor of your generation tweets on anything that you did, you share it. So I shared it.

02:48:18 Speaker_02
The publisher got back and went, not only are we not even, we're just not making an offer anymore. They don't like the type of people that I associate with just you retweeting that you sure it wasn't me.

02:48:30 Speaker_02
No, it was him They vetted you they were like how close are you with him and I was like listen to me He's the fucking nicest guy in the world I was like you can't I was like and they were like would he write a forward for your book and I was like I don't I was like I think like I need like a more like a Harrison Ford to do that like I don't know

02:48:48 Speaker_02
Like Joe could do it, but I was like, I think we need like a less polar. They just want like famous people. That's all they were doing.

02:48:56 Speaker_03
Famous people to say you're awesome.

02:48:58 Speaker_02
But as soon as Elon's name came into the mix, I didn't know this. I was unaware of this, that Elon has people that hate him. Hate him. I didn't know that.

02:49:05 Speaker_03
Well, it's a lot of propaganda that really works, and a lot of it is what happened when he took over Twitter. So you have to look at it from what really happened. Was there real outrage when he took over Twitter? Yes, yes, there was real outrage.

02:49:21 Speaker_03
I firmly believe there's manufactured outrage that's done in a very directed manner. And I think he was most certainly the victim of that as well. And then there was a narrative that continued to get pushed, like hate speech on X, hate speech.

02:49:40 Speaker_02
That he's promoting it.

02:49:41 Speaker_03
Yes, that anti-Semitism, that racism, that all this stuff is up. Well, if you allow people to just speak freely, you're going to have that. You're going to have that. But you can always not look at that.

02:49:54 Speaker_03
But you're also going to have many more good things, too.

02:49:56 Speaker_03
And the point was, what he really exposed was that the FBI was involved in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story, and that these journalists who studied the Twitter files, Matt Taibbi, and Michael Schellenberger, and Barry Weiss, and all these different people that went over these

02:50:11 Speaker_03
Documents found a hate there's something very inappropriate happening where the government is getting these social media companies to take down true stories and To sign off and say that it's Russian disinformation and Elon confirmed and Elon confirmed this so that's when he became very dangerous to them and so then the narrative of Elon being a white supremacist and Elon being you know

02:50:34 Speaker_03
But then the thing that happens also is he will tweet wacky shit And then he will retweet wacky shit that turns out to not be true and all that they attack and it builds up and you get a Distorted perception of his value in our culture and our society and he's one of the greatest inventors the world's ever known one of the greatest

02:50:55 Speaker_03
Engineers we have alive and he's involved in multiple different industries and he's changing those multiple industries in Incredible ways what they've done with space travel with SpaceX where these fucking rockets can land now Yeah, what they've done with these Starlink things that we were talking about what?

02:51:13 Speaker_03
If it wasn't for Tesla and electric cars, do you really think there'd be as many electric cars as there are today? It wouldn't even be close.

02:51:20 Speaker_03
You wouldn't have Governor Newsom saying that California has to be all electric by 2035, because no one would be making electric fucking cars like that. There's a documentary from Early 2000s. It's called who killed the electric car.

02:51:36 Speaker_02
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that in college fascinating.

02:51:38 Speaker_03
You want some coffee? Yeah fascinating documentary and if it wasn't for Elon and making Tesla's awesome You wouldn't have all these fucking electric car companies and he makes everything open source.

02:51:49 Speaker_02
Okay, and that's all fine but my problem is people that take the guy who's trying to save the butterflies and the monkeys yeah, and And kick me out for that for naughty. I've never even met the guy dude.

02:51:59 Speaker_02
It's akin to being a nazi So I have to pretend to not like him Right to align with their worldview.

02:52:07 Speaker_03
It's what I was talking about with hollywood when I was talking about how people start making money and they start being very careful about what they say because they're worried about it's going to go away

02:52:15 Speaker_03
You also realize there are consequences like what you experience. So those are real time. So that's it. Yeah, and so minor, right?

02:52:23 Speaker_03
So that is how you get people to stay in line That's how you get people to only think the way they think and then you start reinforcing it in yourself and you start wearing pearls and doing all kinds of wacky shit because you want them to like you you want to think they're what you're one of them and

02:52:37 Speaker_02
No, that was really creepy because, you know, I mean, I live in the jungle, but I hear about all this stuff, but I don't know who the players are and what the temperature is in the room.

02:52:44 Speaker_03
You just thought it was cool that the guy said you have a cool treehouse. He's like one of the coolest guys ever.

02:52:48 Speaker_02
If this guy goes to fucking Mars, a historically relevant inventor said something I did was cool. Great, you share it. And it cost you a million bucks. Yeah.

02:53:02 Speaker_03
This is the world we're living in. That's why. And it's primarily the left that's that wacky.

02:53:08 Speaker_03
Like if Bernie Sanders had said, cool treehouse, and you retweeted that, everybody would have loved you, you would have been fine, and the right wouldn't have attacked you.

02:53:18 Speaker_02
No.

02:53:18 Speaker_03
They wouldn't have cared. They wouldn't have been upset. You wouldn't have lost businesses. No one from the right would have not given you a book deal because you, Bernie said, nice tree house. And you're like, thanks, cool.

02:53:31 Speaker_02
And you retweeted it. No one would care. It could have been Obama. It could have been anything. I mean, by the way, that was super cool. I loved it. My friend Connor sent me a clip where you were telling one of your guests about me. And so I shared it.

02:53:45 Speaker_02
but it was like the first time that I shared a clip where it was like really just you talking on my Instagram and the comments were berserk. I didn't realize you were such a polarizing person, Joe.

02:53:55 Speaker_03
It's the same thing. It's the same thing. It's a distorted perception of who you are by people that have very low level information. They have surface information and they've decided that you're an alt-right this.

02:54:07 Speaker_03
Or there's been many, many articles written about me being like some fringe right-wing person, which I'm not at all. But if they say it enough times, the people that have a low information, they believe it.

02:54:16 Speaker_02
Well, but this is where I'm interested in when you say like, okay, and this is like the shit that's going on in Israel, the hysteria that everyone's feeling. You're either a good guy or a bad guy. Elon's good. If you like Elon, you're bad.

02:54:30 Speaker_02
I just want to see everybody start to calm down. I just want to see the adults be running the room again, I think. Oh, that sounds cute. No, no, no, no, no, no.

02:54:39 Speaker_02
Pre-9-11, I'm sorry, when I was a kid, and let's just go back to like, I was in eighth grade in 9-11.

02:54:44 Speaker_02
Somehow, back then, it seemed like, I know there's still corruption and there's a lot of fuckery going on, but somehow things have gotten more off the rails with this stuff, where it's like, you know.

02:54:54 Speaker_02
Remember the Obama-Romney debate, where they're like, yo man, what's up? And they're like, we disagree, but we agree. Like, we're both gentlemen here. Like, come on, come on.

02:55:02 Speaker_01
Yes, super cordial. Very nice.

02:55:04 Speaker_02
Yeah, and so like I think I think that what I've seen in the last few Months or in the last year was that is that a lot of people again?

02:55:12 Speaker_02
I'm really speaking from my perspective here And I'm just kind of hoping that this is the case for the rest of the world that people are chilling the fuck out And some people are waking up and realizing how stupid it is and how most of the problems that we have are bullshit Yeah in terms of problems we have with each other but then the next thing is is then then we can actually start focusing on if we're not hysterical and we're not doing all this crazy shit and

02:55:33 Speaker_02
then we can actually start focusing on, OK, well, look, how do we fix things in the Congo? How do we fix things in Africa? How do we in the Amazon?

02:55:40 Speaker_02
Like, how do we pragmatically fix things so that the American food system is better and everyone benefits? And stop fucking arguing over it.

02:55:48 Speaker_03
Yeah. And to realize that this is not a right wing or left wing issue. No, that's a human health issue.

02:55:54 Speaker_02
A very unhealthy way to argue.

02:55:55 Speaker_03
And also, like, real charitable organizations, like real ones, like what you're doing, like, it's actually helping things. It's actually designed to help. It's not designed as some sort of a front to make the cover money and as a tax shelter.

02:56:11 Speaker_03
It's, you know, there's a lot of philanthropy.

02:56:14 Speaker_01
That's good.

02:56:15 Speaker_03
Yeah, a lot of it. A lot of it. But then there's also a lot of philanthropy that's not really philanthropy.

02:56:20 Speaker_02
It's like posturing.

02:56:21 Speaker_03
It's money. Sure. It's you're making money with this philanthropy. You've got economic.

02:56:28 Speaker_02
Well, that's the thing. So now that I have an NGO, we went and looked up all the other NGOs and like a lot of the NGOs their CEOs are making $500,000 a year, like big paychecks. And that's where I do think it's, you know. It gets weird.

02:56:45 Speaker_02
It gets really weird, but I think also that what I told, the first story I told you about, like when how we saved the ancient forest, it's like, I think what we've done that's very exciting that we're feeling this swell, we're kind of riding this wave right now is because

02:56:58 Speaker_02
The the guy with four kids or you know, we had classically I had this mom in Ohio messaged me and she was like I have two kids I show them your Instagram.

02:57:04 Speaker_02
I love what we do We give you five dollars a month and it's like five dollars a month from enough people and we save the whole fucking Amazon Yeah, not to mention that then people like Dax De Silva from Lightspeed reach out and he's like look man.

02:57:15 Speaker_02
I won capitalism I'm gonna fund your whole Ranger team and it's like people are reaching out

02:57:19 Speaker_03
That's amazing.

02:57:20 Speaker_02
And so we and so I'm surrounded by all these incredible people that that want to do good I got approached by those dudes at Vivo barefoot. Shout out to Vivo barefoot. They have a great style user stuff all the time So they they're my first sponsor.

02:57:33 Speaker_02
That's great.

02:57:33 Speaker_03
They reached out to me and great shit. I

02:57:35 Speaker_02
That well, I also I hate hiking boots, right?

02:57:38 Speaker_03
Those barefoot hiking boots are legit the ones they make I like theirs I hate hiking boots that are constrictive.

02:57:43 Speaker_02
So they reached out and this is the cool thing They went, you know, are you interested it what but but it was like only if you check out they were like, are you good? Are you sustainable?

02:57:53 Speaker_02
Are you this and I was like, I run a fucking rainforest organization and And they were like, because, and these guys care so much about their shoe and about how people wear it and about where it's used and the materials.

02:58:04 Speaker_02
And I just read Yvon Chouinard's book, Let My People Go Surfing, the guy who started Patagonia. He, I mean, he just worships rivers and mountains. And they started making this stuff.

02:58:19 Speaker_02
And I just think we're on this cusp of that we still can save a lot of the endangered species. I mean, I'm living miracles every day. I'm like watching us. draw in this map of protecting the Amazon.

02:58:30 Speaker_02
And when you're one third, you're like, we're going to do it. And so it's like, I just, I just think that, that as people, I got really scared when I got woked, that Elon Musk thing was so weird. I was like, we all got to just take it down.

02:58:42 Speaker_02
I got woked, right in the face.

02:58:44 Speaker_03
And it's such an innocuous thing you did. It's so funny, but that's like wrong. Think wrong. Speak. You're not allowed to like this guy. Well, that's the thing. Who am I allowed to like? That's it doesn't, none of it makes any sense.

02:58:55 Speaker_03
It doesn't make any sense.

02:58:57 Speaker_02
So I gotta stay in the jungle.

02:58:58 Speaker_03
People are just so polarized and it's also you also have to realize that the pressure Yeah, that they're under is not from that many people.

02:59:05 Speaker_03
It's like the commenters on Instagram Unfortunately, the reality is most people comment on things all the time or morons and they're not happy They're unhappy morons. So it's a bad sample group, right?

02:59:16 Speaker_03
So you're getting a lot of people that are making comments, but people, if they're commenting, I would like to know what percentage of comments in just overall, if the internet, if anyone's ever done this analysis, are positive versus negative.

02:59:30 Speaker_03
I would have to say it's probably at least 50-50.

02:59:35 Speaker_02
I would say it's 50-50. Again, I think I'm jaded though because if I look at the YouTube comments on a Lex podcast, all the comments are like, thank you Lex for having this important conversation with this amazing person. Lex's fans.

02:59:48 Speaker_02
Lex's fans are great. Every I mean every I don't know a lot of the support that I get online I very people tell me I look like the lead singer of system of a down other than that. There's nothing that Middle-eastern features. Hey, man, search tank.

03:00:02 Speaker_02
It's a fucking hero. He's a dope dude. Love that guy.

03:00:04 Speaker_03
Yeah, he's all I listen to his music every day if you're Yeah, if you're getting compared, that's a good guy to get compared to but this this polarization It's just like there's a bunch of people that feed into it and they attack people because they know that the people that are on their side Are like yeah, you're one of the good guys

03:00:20 Speaker_03
And so there's that weird shit where you got a lot of really weak people and mentally ill people that like attacking people And that's a lot of what it is. It's a lot of people that lack nuance and understanding But don't you think it's coming back?

03:00:31 Speaker_02
Don't you think we hit a peak and now it's starting to come back?

03:00:34 Speaker_03
Yeah, because those people are kind of being exposed for what they really are They're very damaged human beings like people that attack people all the time. They're all fucked up all of them 100% because

03:00:44 Speaker_03
Why would you you only have so much energy in your day? Why why are you spending it getting mad at some guy because he retweeted the greatest genius of our generation? Said nice tree house. That's fucking ridiculous.

03:00:57 Speaker_02
It's a ridiculous thing to get angry about I'll tell you one of the conversations I heard recently was this is like such a simple point but Someone I know was going, you know, how and I forgive me.

03:01:06 Speaker_02
I don't understand these issues He was going how dare they make a mandatory minimum wage. They were gonna raise the minimum wage or whatever else I was watching two people passionately going off about this and he was I think a Republican.

03:01:16 Speaker_06
Mm-hmm.

03:01:17 Speaker_02
My other friend was sitting there and And it was such a great thing that he did. He went, that is, he goes, I 100% disagree with you. He goes, but could you explain to me why you think what you think?

03:01:28 Speaker_02
And they had this amazing conversation where they just debated. Yeah, that's great. And it was with respect. And I was like, oh, fuck, cool. I watched it like it was a podcast because I don't know who, I don't know any of this shit anyway.

03:01:38 Speaker_02
So I was just like, I don't know.

03:01:40 Speaker_03
It's a complicated issue.

03:01:41 Speaker_03
It's about restaurants and places that operate at the margins They're very close to going under all the time and you can get cheap unskilled labor from like young kids and high school students and people getting first jobs and that's how they operate and when you say No, you have to pay a living wage to everybody who works.

03:01:59 Speaker_03
They're like, okay now this is a lot less money as a business.

03:02:03 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah Yeah, yeah, I mean, but the point was though that that they were able to completely disagree and go I completely fucking disagree with you No, it was fine.

03:02:12 Speaker_03
It's great when people can do that.

03:02:13 Speaker_03
I love that when people don't attach themselves to the ideas That's the problem is almost every man that I know has a hard time women do it too, but for men It's like a dick swinging thing where they have a hard time not being attached to an idea.

03:02:29 Speaker_03
Like if they've espoused an idea, if they believe an idea and they're arguing that idea, that idea is a part of them.

03:02:35 Speaker_03
And they'll even lie and fuck around with things and like half-truths to try to make their point, make a little, you know, they'll do bad faith arguments.

03:02:44 Speaker_03
You see it on podcasts all the time where people make bad faith arguments about political issues. You're like, oh God.

03:02:50 Speaker_03
Now I'm never going to listen to you again because I know you do this thing that's a gross thing that you don't have to do anymore because we live in the internet now.

03:02:57 Speaker_03
Like you don't have to do that gross thing you do where you pretend you're right about something so that you can win this argument. That's a stupid person's way of talking.

03:03:04 Speaker_02
If you're debating honestly, You you could in many situations be happy to be proven wrong. Yeah, you should my friends if I say there's Absolutely, no way you can lift that fucking thing and you do it.

03:03:16 Speaker_02
I'm like I was wrong Yeah, you don't even like I'm stoked. You just did that.

03:03:20 Speaker_03
Well, also it's like like you're not your ideas I say this all the time, but it's a really important thing for people to recognize and to people have it in your head You are not your ideas. You are you you?

03:03:30 Speaker_03
and these ideas they come and they go and you agree with them or you disagree with them and sometimes you're going to agree with an idea and then a few years later you're going to have some life experiences or talk to some people that make you look at things differently and go you know what I used to think this but I don't think this anymore and here's why and you have to be very cognizant that your ideas can capture you and then you can be like so many people are captured by

03:03:54 Speaker_03
the way they want people to think of them. This is a very Hollywood thing. They want people to think of them in a very specific way, so they'll say the things that they've heard other people say who are accepted, and they'll talk in a certain way.

03:04:08 Speaker_03
That's where you get accents from. That's also where you get up-talk. You know what Uptalk is?

03:04:13 Speaker_03
So when you do this thing, and so when we build these infrastructures, what we're trying to do, so someone talked like that, and a group of people talked like that, and to get in with that group, you gotta kinda talk like that, so you let them, oh, Paul is a really good guy, so what Paul's doing is quite amazing.

03:04:32 Speaker_03
Paul goes to the Amazon, and he's in the rainforest,

03:04:35 Speaker_03
You know, so they're talking to Valley girl, but this is a thing that they do to let everyone know that they're on the team It's a very tribal thing It's it's almost like another language and these tribal things that we do where we attach them to everything We attach them to religion.

03:04:51 Speaker_03
We attach them to technology even health we attach them to ideologies and if you don't If I can't trust you, if you're retweeting Elon Musk, don't you know he's the devil? If you're hanging out with Joe Rogan, oh my God, he's a piece of shit.

03:05:05 Speaker_03
These people have these little... Religious ideas in their head that you can't eat pork. You can't violate this. It's Sunday motherfucker Why the lights on they have these weird laws?

03:05:17 Speaker_03
Yeah in their head they attach them to everything man People have like a place in their mind for religion and if you do not have religion in your life You will take social issues and you will treat them with the same fervor the same fucking fever pitch that people treat

03:05:33 Speaker_03
Religion that people who are you know, evangelical Christians the people who are fucking snake handlers Yeah, you'll you'll do that with your thing And if your thing is trans kids or whatever your fucking thing is no oil now, whatever your fucking thing is it becomes

03:05:48 Speaker_03
comes a religion, because you don't have religion. And the human mind is set up in a way that you need some sort of divine structure. You need something that's bigger than logic, bigger than all of us.

03:06:00 Speaker_03
And people will apply those things wherever they see fit. You can join a cult, and that's a whole different thing. Oh, we're different, and we do yoga, and this is our life.

03:06:09 Speaker_02
We all fuck each other. Yeah, we all fuck each other. But then there's casualties. Then Kevin Hart doesn't get to do the fucking Oscars.

03:06:16 Speaker_03
Yeah, but Kevin Hart shouldn't do the Oscars. Fuck the Oscars. Those things are gross and what they are is you're having a contest for art and I think that's gross.

03:06:28 Speaker_03
I get it that it helps your movie sell and if it's an Oscar Academy Award winner and I get that people are celebrated for great work. I get all that. It's awesome.

03:06:36 Speaker_03
I get it's a sell but it's also gross you know and when it was revealed to be gross was when Chris Rock was on stage and Will Smith slapped him and then a Few minutes later Will Smith wins an Academy Award and they give him a standing ovation after he just assaulted a guy in front of her It just shows you there's no ethical moral structure to the way these people are living their lives They're living their life by the whim of what the crowd agrees with but that's also like group hypnosis Yes, like if you if if that happened

03:07:06 Speaker_02
In any other situation like everyone was just like we don't really know what to do, you know, like you just keep going Well, it's also they're afraid of being racist.

03:07:13 Speaker_03
So they don't want us to two black guys are duking it out I can't get involved in this. This is not my thing. I don't know what to do.

03:07:18 Speaker_03
I'm gay It's like they're just sitting there watching this take place and then they're clapping For him and standing up when he wins the Academy Award and so the rest of the world unbeknownst to them had already cast their judgment Yeah, the rest of the world's like are you out of your?

03:07:32 Speaker_03
fucking mind. This is insane. And so they're like, oh my God, the rest of the world, they're out of our fucking mind.

03:07:37 Speaker_02
Because you are out of your fucking mind. You guys are all in a cult. But see, that's what I mean about Adele's thing. Nobody else walked on stage and just went, all right, everybody, we're taking five minutes out. You get the fuck over in the corner.

03:07:49 Speaker_02
You stop. Are you okay? Okay, great. We're going to commercial break.

03:07:52 Speaker_03
Grabbed him immediately, escorted him out of the building.

03:07:54 Speaker_02
Everyone just awkwardly continued on with the night. And he awkwardly continued on with his set.

03:08:00 Speaker_03
You did great. Not really. No? No, no, no. Chris Rock? Right after that, he was all fucked up. Like, his jokes, they were flat. Everybody was like, you just got slapped. Like, this is crazy.

03:08:10 Speaker_02
But that, I don't think that was his fault. I think that was because... Well, it's totally not his fault. He just got slapped. I thought he did an incredibly classy job of just being like, well... Sure.

03:08:19 Speaker_03
I'm gonna do the best I can and do my job as a professional He did that but he went back on with the script, which is just insane But the good thing about that is then Chris Rock really became Chris Rock again Yo, like he's he didn't give a fuck anymore.

03:08:32 Speaker_03
Yo, he's like TV I'm going on yo, so he became like Chris Rock from bring the pain again But I think what kept him from doing that in the past was that he was in the club. He's in the club He's hosting the Oscars doing these big movies.

03:08:46 Speaker_02
You gotta say in the club You gotta be safe. You can't be retweeting Elon Musk. You gotta start learning the rules. You gotta learn the rules. You would know the answer to this question. So there was a, again, I miss all these things.

03:08:56 Speaker_02
Didn't somebody rush Chappelle on stage and they took him out? Tell me if my memory's accurate, because I saw a video. I don't remember who tackled the guy or whatever else, but did they like dislocate his arm?

03:09:08 Speaker_03
Oh, they beat the fuck out of this guy.

03:09:09 Speaker_02
They beat the fuck out of him, right? They beat the fuck out of this guy.

03:09:10 Speaker_03
Yeah, once they got him, they beat the fuck out of him. I'm sure they broke his arm. I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure he's had multiple injuries. He had a knife.

03:09:19 Speaker_03
I mean, he was a crazy homeless person, terrible lapse in security, whoever the security guys are, they got fired. And the whole thing was a fucking mess.

03:09:28 Speaker_02
The guy ran onto the stage. I sometimes, I do this thing where I don't believe my own memory, like I'll see something amazing and I won't really. Yeah, look at his arm. Look at his arm. It's out of the fucking socket.

03:09:36 Speaker_03
They beat the shit out of him. They probably camouflaged him and snapped his arm.

03:09:39 Speaker_02
Dude, look at his face. He looks like he went through a whole five round fight.

03:09:42 Speaker_03
They beat the shit out of him. He's lucky he's alive, you know?

03:09:44 Speaker_02
I mean, you go after Chappelle?

03:09:46 Speaker_03
With a knife.

03:09:47 Speaker_02
Fuck, man.

03:09:47 Speaker_03
You know, I mean, he didn't have the knife in his hand, but he had a knife on him. Like some big fucking knife. Dude, that's also terrifying, though. Brass knuckles looking thing. That's terrifying. Yeah, it's terrifying.

03:09:58 Speaker_03
It's terrifying that there's people that are so out of their fucking mind. And it's, again, the same kind of thing. He's transphobic. He's transphobic. Jokes are transphobia, but words are violence.

03:10:08 Speaker_02
Whoa. No, that's not. That's violence. Dave Chappelle, listen.

03:10:12 Speaker_03
It's but that's how nuts we are. Listen, that's how nuts we are that a guy can listen to this special, right? They didn't listen. They don't care That's the thing. No one's listening. They're not listening to me. They're not listening to you.

03:10:22 Speaker_03
They're not listening Yeah, they just they have these things and they're just like religious dogma and they lock down on those things and Dave Chappelle's a transphobe We got to take about Dave Chappelle's a living saint. I

03:10:33 Speaker_03
Yeah, he's a beautiful person. He's untouchable. Amazing person. But he makes jokes about things that are real in our culture, and that's a real thing in our culture. And if you say there's a thing that you can't make fun of, that thing's bullshit.

03:10:44 Speaker_03
If there's ever a thing you can't make fun of, that thing is bullshit.

03:10:49 Speaker_02
Dude, yeah. I had to do I was taking care of somebody. Actually, I wanted to tell you this. I was taking care as I take care of somebody that had life saving surgery, and I was helping them recuperate. And so I was just staying with them.

03:11:01 Speaker_02
And it was like, you know, you have a brush with death, you have you see your mortality, things are down, whatever else. And we like, caught our breath. I was like, let me just do something.

03:11:10 Speaker_02
And I put on a clip of you and it was, it was, it was, uh, you were telling the story about like a hotel and you, you, you, you was, it was you Segura and Chappelle. But anyway, we were watching you guys do various bits of comedy on YouTube.

03:11:24 Speaker_02
And I made this person, you guys made this person laugh so hard. We had to stop watching it because they were going to bust a stitch. It was like the best medicine you've ever seen.

03:11:33 Speaker_02
And it was, you were telling a fucking crazy story about waking up in a hotel and everyone's cramming down the exit.

03:11:39 Speaker_03
Yeah, the hotel was on fire.

03:11:41 Speaker_02
Yeah. That was great. And then it was Segura doing when disabilities are funny. He goes, not all disabilities are funny. He goes, but sometimes they're funny. And he does like a 10 minute piece on that.

03:11:56 Speaker_03
Crying and it was just such a great Transmission of just comedy just being the thing is comedy is comedy and to try to say it's normal speech is ridiculous Because it's not your opinions It's things that are funny about these things like when someone's saying something about anything that's inappropriate You should never say that that's Louis CK's whole act is saying the wrong thing You're not supposed to say that so he's gonna say it and it's hilarious

03:12:24 Speaker_03
But it's also really well written and funny. This is not like if you sat him down Yeah, and asked him his opinion on people and life. He'll give you a different version.

03:12:33 Speaker_03
This is just an art form It's just like a movie like you go to a Quentin Tarantino movie. None of those people really died.

03:12:39 Speaker_02
Okay, this is just art It's just like something's creating something but that and that's the sense where I feel like it's coming back cuz like look at the shit that Chappelle's pulling yeah, look at this shit that you're pulling like people are saying stuff again and

03:12:51 Speaker_03
Well, people are realizing that you don't have to give in to this it's a small very vocal minority of people But most people are tired of it. Most people miss old you don't get a good comedy movie anymore.

03:13:01 Speaker_03
You don't get super bad anymore They can't make that movie.

03:13:04 Speaker_02
You match like the Tropic Tropic Thunder.

03:13:06 Speaker_03
You can't make that movie. You can't make that boy. I asked Robert Downey jr You could I mean, we fucked ourselves. We fucked ourselves by listening to these mental patients. I think it'll come back. I think some of it's going to come back.

03:13:22 Speaker_02
I think it's going to come back, because I think it's going to come back. Now it's going to, usually, right, it'll swing back. You look at movies from the 70s, they're fucking brutal. Oh, yeah.

03:13:29 Speaker_02
Everything now is so sanitized and like, you don't like- But he's still Tarantino, though. He's sort of like- He's the only one.

03:13:35 Speaker_03
He's sort of like grandfathered in.

03:13:37 Speaker_02
The last time that I saw a scene in a movie that made me really cringe was in Bastards when the the bear jew comes out of the cave and the guy's the nazi soldiers he's he's on his knees and you're so used to that they cut On impact. Mm-hmm.

03:13:52 Speaker_02
He comes out and he fucking takes that swing and they don't cut I don't know how they film that shit movie magic, but you Brad Pitt sitting there chewing on a piece of bread and like clapping you're like eating while this guy gets beaten to death and but like I remember being like, oh Cuz usually you watch John wick you watch whatever the fuck you watch a thousand people die on screen It doesn't matter but every now and then they make it so real.

03:14:15 Speaker_02
Yeah, those 70s movies back in the oh, yeah. Cuz all the shit was real. Oh, yeah car chases were real. Yeah, man, and now I watch movies and I'm like, dude, come on You remember a bullet though like ten minutes to the queen.

03:14:30 Speaker_03
It's car chase Steve McQueen.

03:14:31 Speaker_02
Yeah crazy Mustang and a fucking Charger. There's a movie with Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin where Anthony Hopkins has to fight a bear I think the whole movie is about that funny, dude

03:14:45 Speaker_02
they actually they used Bart the Bear from Legends of the Fall and whatever else but it is the most you watch it you will be blown out of your seat, because Anthony Hopkins is 10 feet from a fucking grizzly bear.

03:14:59 Speaker_02
And then you can tell where they swap, if you watch it really closely, you can tell where they swap him out, and the trainer gets like hit with a paw. But this guy is wrestling with his pet bear. Yo, seriously, look at this, look at this, look at this!

03:15:13 Speaker_02
Look at that fucking bear!

03:15:15 Speaker_03
Look at, look at, fucking Anthony Hopkins is the best. How does he live in this? How is that even possible? Because they just tear you apart. Look at his face.

03:15:25 Speaker_02
Just trust me, just, Jamie, go to... Go to like halfway, go to like halfway of this video.

03:15:30 Speaker_03
This is so ridiculous, that bear is like barely chasing him. Go like halfway, halfway down this video. Oh, he's getting the fire out.

03:15:36 Speaker_02
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

03:15:38 Speaker_03
I don't need to see this, I'm gonna have a different opinion of it.

03:15:41 Speaker_02
I'm gonna get angry. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not the clip, there's a clip. Did you see the revenant? Yeah, piss me off, cartoon bear. Ah, CGI bear. And I love Tom Hardy, and I love DiCaprio, but that, come on, that CGI bear didn't get me.

03:15:53 Speaker_03
You know, that's based on a real story. Yeah?

03:15:55 Speaker_02
Yeah.

03:15:56 Speaker_03
That's based on a guy who really did get mauled. He crawled like 20 miles.

03:16:00 Speaker_02
My main takeaway from that movie is a lot of cold water. Cold-water just watched every time he fucking crawled in a cold cold stream. I was just like do you know that?

03:16:08 Speaker_03
Incident didn't really take place in that environment though the the actual incident took place on the plains It wasn't the same environment as they just rain forest They just put it up there put him in I think they filmed it see if they filmed the revenant in BC I think they filmed it in in the like the rainforest of BC.

03:16:27 Speaker_03
You know BC is a lot like Seattle forest and

03:16:30 Speaker_03
Well, I think they filmed it in like a dense forested area And I don't think the real incident took place in any sort of environment like that I remember being like positive of that winter deciduous forest, but not rainfall scenes were filmed in Montana But the wiki says it was takes it takes place in the Great Plains, right?

03:16:48 Speaker_03
So but where did they film all the forest scenes? I think it was Canada Think it's BC because it just is way more dense than the Great Plains. It's not what the great It's not what they experience like with this guy crawled.

03:17:01 Speaker_05
It's like he's crawling across the fucking planes like this guy got Torn apart by a bear and crawled actually initial plans were to film the final scenes in Canada Although the weather was ultimately too warm So they had to go to Argentina where there was snow to shoot the ending Argentina.

03:17:19 Speaker_03
That's the ending What about the other stuff in the woods like when they get attacked by the Native Americans? Oh I thought that was in BC. Either way, whatever it is, it's like very dense forest, which is not what the not historically accurate.

03:17:31 Speaker_03
No, you got to do a little bit of that. Do you? I mean, it's about the planes. It's true.

03:17:36 Speaker_02
Then there'd be no trees like trees are central in that movie, like the the star. So the movie's kind of bullshit. Like, Isn't there a way? Well, then every movie is bullshit Alberta.

03:17:45 Speaker_02
Yeah, I mean even you know, Alberta's crazy thick I mean every movie then that you like, you know, like every like historical movie you go how much of it is true Oh, yeah, like I just watched, you know Ford versus Ferrari and I was like how much of this is true and they're like none of it

03:18:02 Speaker_02
Did any of this really happen? No.

03:18:03 Speaker_03
Okay, so the Kananaskis country and the spectacular scenery of Bow Valley in the Canadian Rockies west of Calgary, Alberta. Fucking beautiful up there, man.

03:18:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, so that's not like the real environment where that really went down, but all yeah I guess it would have a different feel if they were out on the plains and it was yeah And they get attacked by the Plains Indians, and you know and that guy got fucked up by that bear out there There's there was bears out there, dude That's what's nuts like we killed him off like California has a bear, and it's a state flag It's a big old brown used to be brown bears.

03:18:41 Speaker_02
Oh, yeah

03:18:42 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah, they they fucking killed all of them. They're like get the fuck.

03:18:45 Speaker_02
Yeah, they know they know what year the last Brown bear was killed in California and they know when the last black bear was killed in Manhattan That's not think about it a black bear in Manhattan. When was that when they bought it for like $15?

03:18:56 Speaker_03
It was just it was just a fucking right young There's a town named after the guy who was the last guy to get killed by a brown bear in California. It's called Leveque nice I think his name was Steven Leveque

03:19:08 Speaker_03
And the last guy that got killed by a brown bear, I'm like, that's it, we're done, kill them all.

03:19:13 Speaker_02
Did you ever see the video where the bear takes the guy's face off and he's still talking? Yeah, I did. That's a really bad one. Yeah, he got his face mauled apart and they stitched it back together again. They didn't do a bad job.

03:19:26 Speaker_01
Not bad. Not bad.

03:19:27 Speaker_02
Because that video, that was again one of those times where I'm an adult and I'm not okay. That was like early days of internet gross shit. That was like Ebaum's world time where you could see everything. It was the early days.

03:19:40 Speaker_02
I was just trying to explain this to my mom. I was like, when they were doing the journalist beheadings, you could see it. If I tried now, I don't know, I wouldn't even know where to go. Reddit. Really? Yeah, 4chan. I don't think I've ever been on reddit.

03:19:51 Speaker_02
You should go. Yeah? Should I go on reddit?

03:19:55 Speaker_03
Reddit has become much more... Reddit is very left-wing and reddit has become very censored. Things get pulled down off of reddit. But 4chan is still buck wild.

03:20:05 Speaker_02
4chan? 4chan. 4chan is where like...

03:20:11 Speaker_03
All that QAnon craziness came from there's a lot of nutty people out there That's where the political frogs those frogs peppy the frog that they use for memes It's all like internet culture shit posters Yeah, people that are anonymously posting so they can just say the wildest things and there's no censorship Yeah, but I'm saying is it but what I want you can find I want the gods Google I want that thing where you go.

03:20:34 Speaker_02
I want to see people eating you know who got a bear Or, you know how in the Grizzly Man, they don't show you the footage or play you the audio? I want that. If I wanna see it, I wanna be able to see it.

03:20:44 Speaker_03
I think Werner Herzog destroyed that audio, which is unfortunate.

03:20:48 Speaker_02
Yeah.

03:20:48 Speaker_03
But also, his mind was like, it's kind of funny, right? Because his mind was like, it'd be too damaging, it's too bad, you don't wanna hear it, you don't want other people to hear it.

03:21:00 Speaker_02
I wouldn't want people to hear me screaming in agony as I died.

03:21:03 Speaker_03
Right, but your whole film, It's about how fucking stupid it is that this guy lives in the grizzly maze in a tent, surrounded by bears, and it's inevitable that one of them's gonna eat him.

03:21:17 Speaker_02
So there'd kind of be like a comedic punchline to hearing him go... Bro, the movie's a comedy. It is a comedy. It is a comedy.

03:21:23 Speaker_03
It is.

03:21:24 Speaker_02
When he's like, bad bear, and he touches it, and the bear turns around and is like, what the fuck did you just do? The whole thing, he was so nutty, and he was such a crazy... He was nuts. He was Tiger King times 100.

03:21:34 Speaker_02
But he also there's like a moment where he transcends and he's like in the grass and there's a fox on his tent And you're like dude, this is kind of cool.

03:21:41 Speaker_03
Yeah, that was the fox relationship The fox was cool.

03:21:44 Speaker_02
But with the bear stuff foxes become your friends, which is weird.

03:21:48 Speaker_03
Yeah foxes are cool Yeah, like you can just you don't even have to have lived there a long time. You just hang out with them long enough They'll still hang out with you.

03:21:54 Speaker_02
Well, I found a fox den a few years ago and so there's all these the mom was out and there's all these foxes baby foxes pups sitting outside the

03:22:02 Speaker_02
the hole, so I would creep up on them, I'd get into position, and I'd watch them come out, and they are the cutest little things in the world, and they're all just standing around, and I was like, I wanna raise a fox so bad.

03:22:15 Speaker_03
People have done it. I know. They have pet foxes.

03:22:17 Speaker_02
Oh, I know. I wanted to do it so bad, I had to go to the jungle in like a week, but I was like, man, if I wasn't going to the jungle in a week.

03:22:22 Speaker_03
You would have to feed those little fuckers, and they wanna kill things all the time.

03:22:25 Speaker_02
It'd be like having a really wild dog.

03:22:29 Speaker_03
Yeah, it would be like having a coyote for a pet. I would imagine. But they're really clever.

03:22:34 Speaker_02
They're really clever. They're really beautiful. And coyotes, I don't even need to have coyotes as pets. They're like behind in the Hudson Valley.

03:22:42 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah. They're all over the place. Everywhere.

03:22:44 Speaker_02
Yeah. They're everywhere.

03:22:45 Speaker_03
They're in Manhattan. I don't believe that. It's 100% true. Really? Yeah. Yeah. In Central Park. In Central Park? Multiple coyote sightings. They've had them in the Bronx. Coyotes are in every city in North America.

03:22:58 Speaker_02
At least in the US. It's a huge testament to how stealthy an animal can be. Oh, yeah, man. Because they live everywhere. Look at that.

03:23:07 Speaker_01
Stop it.

03:23:07 Speaker_03
Coyotes in Central Park. Yeah. Yeah, man, they're all over the country. They're all over the country. And that's basically in the last hundred years. I think less than that. I think it's like from the 1950s on, they've spread across the entire country.

03:23:24 Speaker_03
There's a great book called Coyote America.

03:23:26 Speaker_02
It's on my list. I'm dying to read it.

03:23:29 Speaker_03
I'm dying to read it. Coyote's been seen in Central Park and other parts of New York City since the 1930s. The number of sightings has increased in recent years, especially in 2019. Incredibly adaptive. I mean, that's just unbelievable.

03:23:42 Speaker_03
They're the craziest. They adapt and they expand their range. So whenever you kill one, the females have more pups and they expand their range. That's why they're everywhere now.

03:23:50 Speaker_02
Um, I, in the, in the jungle, I was working with this British filmmaker and he came out of the jungle one day and his face was white and he goes, I saw something.

03:23:58 Speaker_02
And I was like, if you say Bigfoot, I'm going to, he goes, he goes, no, I saw, he goes, man, he goes, Matt, he saw a white tail deer. And I went, you didn't see a white-tailed deer. We have red-brocket deer, gray-brocket deer.

03:24:11 Speaker_02
You didn't see a white-tailed deer. And I started really hammering on him. I was like, bro, you've been out here too long, man. Long story short, there is a vestigial population of white-tailed deer that inhabit the Western Amazon. What?

03:24:23 Speaker_02
So he thought he was insane. They come in from the Andes, and they have like an island population down in the lowland jungle. He happened to see, and this is like a guy that you know he's not bullshitting.

03:24:33 Speaker_01
Whoa.

03:24:34 Speaker_02
He was physically, You know, it's like you saw a giraffe.

03:24:38 Speaker_03
That's ridiculous that he would be that freaked out.

03:24:41 Speaker_02
I think just because it didn't belong there. He was a real wildlife guy. I mean, if I saw, you know, a leopard in New Jersey, I'd be like, well, fuck. Either I'm cracking up or something, you know, as far as I know, this doesn't go here. Right. You know?

03:24:53 Speaker_02
Right. So he came back and he was like, I don't know what to do. He's like, I saw something and I was like, well, did you get a shot of it? And he was like, no, I put my camera up and it ran. And he was like, but I swear to God.

03:25:05 Speaker_02
And I was like, nah, you didn't see anything. He saw a white-tailed deer.

03:25:07 Speaker_03
That's crazy. Have you seen the Jaguar sightings in Arizona?

03:25:12 Speaker_02
I did. I saw the camera trap. That is super cool. That is super cool. We're doing something with these new E-DNA packages where we can take water samples and it tests for all the different DNA in the water.

03:25:25 Speaker_03
Oh, so all the different animals that are drinking in there.

03:25:27 Speaker_02
Wow. Bigfoot's either about to get found or go extinct. He's going to go extinct. Yeah, I know.

03:25:31 Speaker_03
Do you think they could find the giant sloth with that? So, that's an interesting one.

03:25:37 Speaker_02
That and the thylacine are the only cryptids that I'll entertain conversations about.

03:25:40 Speaker_03
I entertain the sloth one because there's so many of these people in these deep, dense jungles in the Amazon that claim that they've seen them.

03:25:49 Speaker_02
Yeah, I'll tell you something offline about that. I have a theory about where they are. Offline, ooh, I can't wait to end this podcast. I just, there's gotta be, there's places, people keep going, we've explored the whole world.

03:26:02 Speaker_02
Just like, people don't realize, and I'm telling you after coming off of these expeditions where we travel for an entire week by land to get, because you get on a plane, get on a plane and be in Barcelona in a few hours.

03:26:14 Speaker_02
It's such a mind fuck, it doesn't make any sense. Whereas when you start walking, or you start paddling, you go, this planet is huge. And we deceive ourselves into thinking like, oh yeah, we figured it out.

03:26:27 Speaker_02
But if you fly in a Cessna over the Amazon, and you look at a winding little golden river, and you're looking out over a vast picture of football fields with this tiny little golden filament going through it, and the next one of those golden rivers, which by the way, that river is like 100 meters across, this giant water artery that's been flowing through the jungle.

03:26:46 Speaker_02
The next one, as you're in this Cessna looking out over the jungle, The next one is barely in your peripheral vision over there. So you're talking about like 110 miles that way is the next dense, dense, dense jungle, no trails, not even the tribes.

03:27:00 Speaker_02
Nothing. No one there. Who the fuck has explored that? They don't know what's under there. No one's explored it. Not to mention. 50% of the life in the rainforest, you forget, it's a 3D environment. When you're on the plains, the animals are at eye level.

03:27:14 Speaker_02
When you're in the rainforest, you're under 160 feet of canopy, so it's like being at the bottom of the ocean, and we don't have access. Who can climb a 160 foot tree that goes straight up like the World Trade Center? Pretty much no one.

03:27:28 Speaker_02
You're only gonna see the tree tops if you do. And you're only gonna see the tree tops, so scientists have had very limited access to the rainforest canopy where 50% of the life in the rainforest is.

03:27:38 Speaker_02
So, so much of the planet has not been described or studied. And it's so funny when I watch people go, yeah, everything's been explored. And it's like, bro, I could take you somewhere right now and show you the places where no one's been.

03:27:49 Speaker_02
And they haven't flown over with LIDAR yet. And there are things that we don't know. There's a lot of stuff that we don't know about. And I've seen, because I've seen it with my own eyes. I don't believe shit.

03:27:57 Speaker_02
That's why I have to touch the wet paint, because I don't believe shit unless I've seen it myself.

03:28:05 Speaker_03
Well, listen, brother, I'm glad you're out there. It makes life more interesting. I appreciate everything you do and I appreciate you and thank you for coming in here. It's a lot of fun.

03:28:13 Speaker_03
Tell everybody how they can get a hold of you and how they can see what you're up to.

03:28:17 Speaker_02
Absolutely. Jungle Keepers is growing. We're protecting more rainforest than ever. JungleKeepers.org. We are bringing people to the rainforest. We're supporting the indigenous conservation efforts. We're crossing 100,000 acres.

03:28:27 Speaker_02
The more people that come in and help, we can actually find a way to protect the Amazon rainforest and stop feeling guilty about it. Also, Jamie, if you just, last thing, pull up that rhino transport picture.

03:28:37 Speaker_02
I'm taking people out into Africa with the experts at that place, Buffalo Cloof, and people can actually come with me to do some incredible front lines on the ground work with endangered rhinos in Africa, like this type of shit.

03:28:51 Speaker_02
Absolutely, the people who are holding back the extinction of these animals, who are doing cutting edge research and work protecting these amazing animals, Junglekeepers.org, paulrosley.com, Instagram, all that other shit.

03:29:04 Speaker_02
And we're doing some truly miraculous stuff. And a lot of it has to do, Joe, with the fact that you came in and told everybody about us. So thank you.

03:29:13 Speaker_03
My pleasure. I'm happy for you. It's getting wild out there.

03:29:16 Speaker_02
It is.

03:29:17 Speaker_03
Thank you. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.