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Episode: #2207 - Shawn Ryan

Author: Joe Rogan
Duration: 02:48:11

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Shawn Ryan is a former Navy Seal and CIA Contractor, founder of Vigilance Elite, and creator and host of the podcast “The Shawn Ryan Show.

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How are you, man? How's it going? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

00:00:16 Speaker_03
I really enjoy your show. It's very different. When I first started watching it, I was like, oh, this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds of crazy people. I like you like a Navy SEAL Art Bell. It's kind of cool, man.

00:00:31 Speaker_03
You go out there with people, like that one dude that was saying there's direct energy weapons in Antarctica. You letting that guy go out. He's going out on a long ass pier. Oh, yeah. Eric Hecker. All those stories are so crazy.

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I was just finishing, is it John Alexander? Yeah. The gentleman that worked with UAPs and unidentified phenomenon and mysteries. He's done it all. Fascinating. He's done it all. Fascinating. All the way back to Vietnam, right? Yeah, yeah.

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That guy, what a crazy story, man. Imagine being involved in that kind of shit. I don't know. How much do you believe it, though? When I hear the UFO stuff, there's a part of my brain that's like, don't get suckered into this. This shit's nonsense.

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There's something that, it just feels like, if they told me a super volcano was gonna erupt, I would believe it, because super volcanoes are definitely real, and there's a historical precedent, they've ruined civilizations.

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They tell me that there's UFOs, and part of me is just like, I don't fucking believe you. You know what I mean?

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Yeah, I know, you know, I mean, I, you know what bothers me about the whole camp is nobody, none of these camps like talk to each other. Right. It's, it's, my camp knows everything.

00:01:49 Speaker_03
Isn't that always the case though? That's the case in the military often, right?

00:01:52 Speaker_06
Oh yeah, I was going to compare it to special ops. That guy doesn't know shit, I know every, you know, that's kind of how.

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When I was really young, I was like 24, I was dating this girl that was, she did something in government and she was explaining to me, so this is pre-internet-ish, you know, like people didn't have the internet then, it's like, ugh.

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early 90s right and she said that she she one of her jobs was to Make sure that information that the the Navy had received would be available to the army So like you have to make sure people aren't running redundant tests like we've already did this we'll get you this information so there was like some sort of a database in like these computer terminals where she could share information and She had some sort of top clearance

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And one day, like, just fucking around, she wrote Little Green Men in the search function. And her computer got shut down, and then people visited her. And they asked her, like, what are you doing? Like, why did you look this up?

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Like, what is this all about? And I think she wound up either getting fired or transferred to some other position or lost whatever clearance that she had. Interesting. I've not heard that one. When I was young, I was like, wow, aliens are real.

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But as an older man, now looking back on it, I go, well, maybe what she was doing was inappropriate for her job.

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Like, maybe what she was doing was demonstrating that she couldn't be trusted because she's doing something that's not, there was no request to look up little green men. It was like, she did it on her own.

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Is this 100% factual? Hard to tell.

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Hard to tell because it was a girl I dated. I don't really know. Oh, you dated her? Yeah, I dated her. Yeah. This is yeah, like like I said early 90s.

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I was living in New York I had actually dated her in Boston then we met up again in New York a couple years later So she was telling me about her job and then she was telling me like check this out.

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I Shouldn't be telling you this but part could back then I was all in on UFOs. I was like wow UFOs real but As an older man, I look back and go, well, if you have some kid, you know, she was basically my age. She's probably 24 as well.

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And you're having this kid work in these terminals that has access to top secret information and they have clearance. I would say, hey, maybe you shouldn't be just looking up shit randomly. Yeah. You know, like we can't have this kid.

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We can't trust this kid.

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You know, it doesn't seem like everything's so compartmentalized in government and especially at that kind of classified whatever security clearance level. I mean, there's whatever. I didn't get that high up.

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I've not seen a database where you can just look anything up like, oh shit, who killed JFK? Let's look that up real quick.

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Well, you know what Trump said about that one, right? What did he say? Trump said that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't want to release it either. Oh yeah, yeah. I did hear that. Crazy. What a crazy thing to say.

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Yeah, that can only mean one thing in my eyes. Yeah, we did it Yeah, the only the only thing that makes any sense is the United States did it. I Mean more and more just keeps unraveling Tucker just comes out and says it openly. He just says it openly.

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Yeah, CIA killed Kennedy He has a crazy laugh I don't you know, I don't know who could actually say it other than the people that have read those papers and I You know, who knows what they, you know, the president is basically a part-time employee.

00:05:35 Speaker_03
Not a part-time employee, but a short-term employee.

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You know, if you've got a long-running business and for some technicality every now and then you have to bring in some fucking CEO and he does a four-year term and then hopefully he can finagle it so he gets another four-year term if he's playing by the rules, and you just bring him in.

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It's a good way to put it. Yeah, why would you tell that guy who killed Kennedy? Yeah, yeah. They hid shit from him all the time, which is totally illegal.

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What do you think about RFKs possibly getting in to investigate all that stuff?

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I think it would be one of the best things for the health of the people in the United States, if you really care about health.

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I think there's a lot of us, and it was me at one point in time, and I've gotten more educated about it, a lot of us are very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies with food and with medications. And I don't think we're being told the truth.

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And I think there's a reason why other countries

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Multiple other countries have banned food elements food like ingredients that we use all the time these red dyes all these different and this was all There was just a recent thing that they did who was involved in that Brigham testified in that and

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They had all these health experts testify and they were all hammering this point over and over again. They were talking about the food additives. They were talking about glyphosate and how fucking dangerous glyphosate is.

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And like an enormous percentage of people show traces of glyphosate in their blood. We're getting it through all kinds of vegetables. ubiquitously sprayed on monocrop agriculture crops. We're all just consuming these poisons.

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There's no reason to have fluoride in the water. There's fucking no reason. We've been putting fluoride in the water. Keep your teeth clean. You don't want cavities. It doesn't make any sense. And we've been doing it forever. And there's no reason to do it.

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And there's like real data that shows that high levels of fluoride in water lowers IQ. The higher the fluoride is in water in certain areas, they can see a measurable dip in people's IQs.

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Wow, I didn't know that. Have you messed around with the, have you heard of the Yucca app?

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No.

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Dude, you gotta get the Yucca app. What is it? So you basically scan anything, like food related. It's Y-U-C-A? Soap, deodorant. I think it's Y-U-C-A. There it is. There it is. Y-U-K-A. Shout out to Yuca. There it is. See, like, Honey Nut Churro.

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So it'll tell you the additives in there. It contains additives to avoid sugar too soon.

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Look at that.

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And it'll tell you all the chemicals and what the chemicals do to you.

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Ah, that's genius. What a great ad. No ads. We just did an ad for them. Good for them, though, but that's what people need. I think if RFK gets into office, he will expose a lot of this stuff, just like he did when he was an environmental attorney.

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You know, people think of him as just the vaccine kook. Listen, you've got to look at that guy's, the history of that guy's work has all been about protecting people from corporations that are poisoning them.

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That's that's literally what that guy did his whole career and if he can do that with health Particularly with things that we can avoid look there is one of the things they demonstrated Is that lucky charms as sold in the United States?

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They don't sell the same one in Canada in Canada the dyes that we use to make it all pretty and exciting for kids They don't allow that because it's fucking toxic. Yeah, so we allow it which means someone's corrupt and Yeah. Someone's corrupt.

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Probably the whole system maybe. Probably the whole system is heavily influenced at the very least. Forget about bribery. Let's not even say bribery. Heavily influenced by relationships.

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that these people have with CEOs in these corporations and the boards of executives and this weird little revolving door between the FDA and the CDC and all these different organizations and then they leave and then they get this amazing job working for some huge corporation that they were helping regulate just a few years ago.

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It's the most transparent thing. If insider trading is illegal, how's that legal? Good point. Does FDA approval even mean anything to you? Not to me. It doesn't to me. But it took a long time before I got to that.

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It took a long time before I really understood why do we think that saturated fat is bad. Oh, it was a lie by the sugar companies. Okay, why do people tell you that vitamin supplementation doesn't really help and you just need a balanced diet?

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Oh, because doctors don't know jack shit about nutrition and that you're going to a guy who literally knows less than you because he went to medical school for how to fix knees or whatever the fuck he specialized in and you're taking this guy's advice and he doesn't know anything about nutrition.

00:10:31 Speaker_03
He's not read any peer-reviewed data. That guy's just trying to keep up.

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He's got fucking bills piling in and he's bringing people and shuffling them through the office and he's worried about his, you have the insurance in case you fuck up, malpractice insurance and you have to pay your medical school bills and those guys are barely getting, they're floating.

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They're trying to just run people through their office as fast as they can.

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Does it bother you if there's some type, I don't know, some type of a new, Does it bother you if it's not FDA approved at all, if it's new? Like nobody's looked into it?

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Well, I wouldn't dig anything no one's looked into, especially a drug. Yeah. It's just like, give it some time, kids.

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I mean, how many times do they have to pull drugs before people, like, what is the percentage of drugs that the FDA approves and then pulls? I believe it's 25%. I have no idea. I think it's 25%, see if that's true.

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So this is the ones that they approve, and then eventually they find, oh, this stuff is terrible for you, and then they pull it. Yeah. I think it's 25%. Which, you know, what does it say? One third. Oh shit, one third. One third, I was off.

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According to the 2017 study, which is probably worse now, about one-third of drugs approved by the FDA within a 10-year period receive alerts, warnings, or recalls in the years following their approval. That's fuckin' bananas. Give it some time, kids.

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Also, have you seen the Steven Crowder undercover thing he did with that COVID czar in New York? No. Have you seen that? Jamie, go to his page and find the most recent one. Because the most recent one is fascinating.

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Because the most recent one, this guy is openly talking about how monkeypox is not really a threat, but they're trying to present it as a threat so they can sell this medication. They're talking about pushing this man.

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This guy's openly talking about monkey boxes really just gay guys get it from unprotected Yeah, is it on his Instagram go to it I'll show you which one it is Yeah, that's it

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No, no, no, no, no, that's not it.

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That's not it. That's because that's the one where he's talking about How he shut the the city down. There's a recent one. No, I Know maybe it's somewhere else. Let me scroll down a little bit See if you can find the one see that one right there.

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That's that kind of that's kind of yellow. That's yellow there But which one there's got to be one where he's talking about monkey pox. I Because that was the one I was watching today. That's not, because that's all about shutting the schools down.

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God damn it, we've got to find it. OK, just find it and get to us. Because I know I might have watched it on X. I probably thought, I'm saying X now.

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Yeah, good for you.

00:13:32 Speaker_03
I feel politically correct. Like when I call a transgender person a girl, she. Like, were you like that? How'd you do that? I said, she. Were you talking to him directly? No, no, that's not it.

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That's that's Crowder confronting him when he's that guy's fired Now the guy's fuck but the monkey pox one goddamn and I know I saved it if you want I can find it I saved it on my phone because I was like this is just so bonkers That these people are having conversations in public and openly admitting that they're trying to push people into taking drugs It don't even work Really interesting

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This is going to be a problem. I'm not going to find it. Just see if you can find it. It's got to be out there, because I watched it this morning. Did you go to Monkey Box? Nothing?

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It's going to be in one of these links. I just have to take a second.

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Oh, wait up. Hold up. Back up. Back up. That was right there. Right above that. Dr. Jay Varna? OK.

00:14:34 Speaker_02
This is it. But it's not the same thing as the last one. There's no link to the video.

00:14:38 Speaker_03
Oh, so is it because the New York Post doesn't show it? That's OK. We could just read what it says, because it's kind of interesting. We don't have to hear him say it. But Steven Crowder's kind of decided to do this James O'Keefe type deal.

00:14:51 Speaker_03
And I don't know how they do that. It's pretty wizardry. Yeah. Generally, I think you get a gay guy who likes to talk. And some handsome dude who can sit down with this guy and get him a little tipsy. That seems to be a habit.

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Gay guys like to spill the beans. He previously served as Senior Health Advisor to then-Mayor Bill de Blasio while tasked with running Big Apple's pandemic response.

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OK, so he was talking about the approval process while discussing SIGA technology's technovirabant, or TPOX drug. So this is the drug for monkeypox. So that's why spinning it in the media is helpful.

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We want the FDA to approve our drugs specifically for monkeypox, and right now it's only considered experimental, and they won't approve it, he said.

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And the US T-pox is not approved by the FDA for treatment of M-pox, but could be used to treat patients as part of a clinical trial known as the Study of Technoviromat for human MPOX virus according to Cigna Technologies.

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The company's website added that the STOMP trial is being conducted to evaluate the efficacy of TPOX for the treatment of MPOX.

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Varna then griped that the video filmed on August 14th, that his then employer is stuck with our drug, but the people aren't going to be as confident in it because the data doesn't look as strong as it should.

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And so then later he starts talking about the stock prices. So he says, sometimes you do a study and fucking nothing works at all, or people get really sick from it, he said in the covert recording.

00:16:27 Speaker_03
The problem is, if you do another study, it'll take a year or two to do it, because you have to get the ethics approval, you gotta get the money, you gotta get the patients to come in.

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In the videos, Varma then gloated about how he knows the reporters well, and referenced a September interview with New York Times on mpox, which touted that T-pox is a drug used to treat mpox infection.

00:16:48 Speaker_03
He also described the World Health Organization's emergency authorization process before explaining how he wants the media to report on TPOX. So he was talking, one of the things in the video, he was talking about stock prices.

00:17:01 Speaker_03
So they're talking about making it look like these drugs do better than they do, getting people to prescribe them.

00:17:09 Speaker_03
Okay, hold on Okay, so basically we're trying to get the media to say is oh the drug didn't work because it was designed the wrong way So they're gonna do another study and it'll probably work and in the meantime people just prescribe it as an emergency drug That's what we want the story to be which is wild to say out loud And he said the risk of mpox spreading in the u.s.

00:17:30 Speaker_03
Is very low and it's almost certainly going to stay among gay men yeah, so it's all just it's supposedly only like, I don't think in America, like, I think four people have died from it. Which is, you got to go hard. That's it. Go hard died from that.

00:17:49 Speaker_06
You quit right before they talked about the 10 person sex party.

00:17:53 Speaker_03
Oh, yeah, that was that was another thing. That was when he got busted for having parties during the COVID lockdowns while he was encouraging the lockdowns. Wow. You didn't hear that part? No.

00:18:04 Speaker_03
Oh, so Crowder got him on camera saying that he was doing Molly and partying and saying, I hope somebody doesn't see me doing this because I could get in real trouble because obviously I... Reinforce the lockdowns.

00:18:20 Speaker_03
Wow, I mean surprising but not you know boy Everybody's eyes have been opened up over the last few years At least people that are trying to pay attention to how nutty the people are who actually run the show.

00:18:33 Speaker_06
Yeah. Yeah, it's a Lot of people are I mean, it's crazy. It's like everything you knew is just flipped upside down and

00:18:41 Speaker_03
It's like a bunch of actors are running it. That's what it's like. Cause that's what they're really like. What politicians are like are like actors are not quite good looking enough to get into movies and television shows.

00:18:51 Speaker_03
They can't host entertainment tonight, but they can read off a teleprompter, you know, and they can do a good, like look, Kamala Harris had one good read off a teleprompter and she shot up in the polls.

00:19:04 Speaker_03
That's the power of just a performance when you want to believe something. You want to believe.

00:19:11 Speaker_06
It's true. I mean, I don't believe anything anymore. You know, I just can't.

00:19:15 Speaker_03
I was watching this. These guys were breaking down, you know, they can track cell phones. They can figure out like whose cell phone was there. They can get metadata. And they were talking about these Kamala Harris rallies, about how organized there are.

00:19:27 Speaker_03
These people are coming in on buses and many of them have been to multiple rallies and that when this one, this one local one, like 80% of the people came from somewhere else. And they were all bussed in.

00:19:38 Speaker_06
How do they know that? How do they know that?

00:19:40 Speaker_03
Well, I'll send this to Jamie because this one I actually have. But I think they know it because of the data. You could track data on a phone now. Oh, they're doing the geofencing stuff.

00:19:51 Speaker_03
I don't know exactly how they do it, but they're doing something in which they can tell when when your phone has been in an area. OK, I found this, guys. I found I found his the other video. Yeah, here, I'll show it to you, Jamie.

00:20:06 Speaker_03
Because it's even grosser hearing it come out of this guy's mouth.

00:20:09 Speaker_02
This is an hour and a half video on his YouTube channel that I think it's taken from.

00:20:13 Speaker_03
Yeah, but this is the clip. I'm sending you the clip from Instagram for whatever reason. I don't know if Instagram's hiding it. I don't know what's happening. They wouldn't do that.

00:20:23 Speaker_02
No way. It's on his Louder With Crowder page, that's why. Oh, is that what it is? Yeah.

00:20:28 Speaker_03
Okay. God, I hate looking up things on my phone in the middle of a fucking show, but sometimes you have to. So these guys, what they were essentially showing is that it's very organized and people are being bused in. Is that okay? Is that ethical?

00:20:50 Speaker_03
I mean, maybe just making it more convenient for them to go to the Kamala Harris rally, nothing wrong with that. But if you're organizing crowds, Say if you do a game show, like if you host a game show, you know, Wheel of Fortune.

00:21:03 Speaker_03
Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Those people are all paid. Most of them, or sometimes you let fans do it for like a very popular show, but I have personally been on a lot of shows where the audience is paid.

00:21:15 Speaker_00
Interesting.

00:21:16 Speaker_03
So it's basically like if you're filming a sitcom and nobody knows what the sitcom is,

00:21:21 Speaker_03
You there's a company that you can hire and you pay the audience to come in and the people cheer they have an applause sign Everybody cheers they laugh when you tell them to laugh like there's a guy in the audience It's like doing this to them that the people at home don't see so it's just it's all theater, right?

00:21:38 Speaker_03
so They could do that same strategy for a political rally easily.

00:21:45 Speaker_03
If you're talking about all the money that you're going to be in control of when you are the president of the United States, which is a spectacular position, not just that, but then all the money you're going to make in appearances and forever.

00:22:00 Speaker_03
You're going to do Goldman Sachs talks and make a half a million dollars for no apparent reason. There's so much money involved. You don't think you would pay audiences to come and cheer? That's cheap.

00:22:12 Speaker_06
Yeah. That's cheap. I don't know. Do you think that's immoral?

00:22:18 Speaker_03
Well, I think we have very loose rules on what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do.

00:22:23 Speaker_03
There was a lot of outrage because people were saying that ABC somehow or another had gotten the subject matter to Kamala, and that they had agreed to Kamala that they were not going to ask her about her DA record when she was in California, and that they were not going to talk about some other person she was involved with that might be in trouble.

00:22:45 Speaker_03
They weren't weren't gonna fact-check her and then they said they were only gonna fact-check Donald Trump Yeah, which is what led to her saying quite a few things that weren't true and no one said anything about it Particularly about troops being deployed overseas.

00:23:00 Speaker_03
Yeah, do you see that video where the? I got a really good really good front of mine that's deployed and and

00:23:10 Speaker_06
overseas right now. Not according to Kamala Harris. Yeah, he's sniping bad guys over in Africa.

00:23:19 Speaker_03
Yeah, how mad would he be if he heard that? I mean, they're pissed. Oh, I'm not in a war zone. They're pissed. They should be pissed. So this is from an Instagram account. I don't know what podcast this clip came from, but let's just play it.

00:23:36 Speaker_04
rally. 5,003 mobile devices at Kamala Harris's rally in Charlotte, North Carolina on Thursday afternoon. It appears over 3,600 came from Georgia, mainly Atlanta, Georgia, and approximately 720 from Savannah, Georgia.

00:23:50 Speaker_04
So that's a North Carolina rally with almost 80% of the attendees being from Georgia.

00:23:56 Speaker_01
After you do the math, that's only 600 or so local people from North Carolina that attended. That's all who shows up, and you're planning to, what, get 80-something million votes again? Something ain't right.

00:24:06 Speaker_01
And then all these people come from buses, and it's kind of weird, because at the Trump events, you don't really have, like, organized buses like that. People just kind of show up and park on their own.

00:24:15 Speaker_01
But at the Kamala rally, there's just these lines of buses at every event, which is weird. And a lot of the people are also the same people that attend multiple rallies. Can you read those tweets?

00:24:24 Speaker_04
Any of the same ones from previous events? Because this guy's tracking the cell phones, I guess. And he says 90% have been to three plus rallies. 54% were even at Arizona and Nevada rallies.

00:24:35 Speaker_03
Now, it could be that she is so popular that it's like Swifties. They just follow her around. Or it could be like, you know, the Grateful Dead was in the 1970s. Maybe, maybe that's what's going on. Maybe she's just so amazing all of a sudden.

00:24:50 Speaker_03
Maybe she just, Stella got her groove, you know? Something happened and she just kicked into gear and now she's her best self. Her best self. She's going to be the president. Yay, let's go to these rallies.

00:25:00 Speaker_06
I'm sure that's what's going on. I don't think it's really immoral. It's just a rally. Everybody wants their rally to be full. It's a facade, man. It's just a facade.

00:25:19 Speaker_03
If you can do it for a game show, you can do it for a political event. I don't think it's immoral. I think if they did give her the questions, and they really did. And this is someone signed an affidavit. See what's going on with that.

00:25:31 Speaker_03
See what's the latest with that, Jamie. So someone signed an affidavit that was an ABC employee that claims these things. And it was very clear there was bias. It was very clear that they were fact-checking him and not fact-checking her.

00:25:46 Speaker_03
But it was, you know, unfortunately, he doesn't do himself any favors because he kind of goes off the rail sometimes. They're eating dogs, they're eating cats, which, by the way, they may very well be doing that.

00:25:58 Speaker_03
That's a thing they do in Haiti sometimes. Sometimes they sacrifice animals and, you know, they have local rituals, religious rituals that they do.

00:26:07 Speaker_06
I mean, this has been going on for a long time, though. You know, sometimes the Kung Pao chicken is a chicken.

00:26:11 Speaker_03
Right. I mean, that's a real thing. That's a real thing. And to try to pretend that it's racist to say that. No, no.

00:26:19 Speaker_02
Humans sometimes will do things. According to this, it says that this started with a claim that there was an affidavit, but I don't know that it's ever been actually presented to anyone.

00:26:28 Speaker_03
Mmm interesting Didn't Didn't it get discussed on Twitter and people were posting about the veracity of it Who I think he won't even put it on his who's no Colin Rugg. I know had it on his Yeah

00:26:48 Speaker_02
I think it's probably going to be hard to tell unless charges are filed.

00:26:53 Speaker_03
He said it made it to Congress.

00:26:56 Speaker_02
Bill Ackman. That's right.

00:26:57 Speaker_03
Bill Ackman was the guy who tweeted it. Didn't know if the claim was accurate, but shared it anyway, which is what's fun. It's fun to do on the internet.

00:27:06 Speaker_03
Vance addressed the supposed whistleblower's allegations with a reporter saying it should be a national scandal if true.

00:27:12 Speaker_03
Trump again mentioned the whistleblower September 13th at a rally in Las Vegas, claiming that Harris had received the debate questions in advance. Fortunately, we had a leaker or a whistleblower. I don't care which. I love that person.

00:27:24 Speaker_03
It's such a Trump statement. Representative Dan Mauser, Muser, in a Pennsylvania Senate Fox News interview that he would try to bring in ABC News and the whistleblower before Congress to testify about the affidavit.

00:27:40 Speaker_03
They said that the person who did it was killed in a car crash and that seems to be false Yeah, that was a that was a rat amplified by Marjorie Taylor Greene who also doesn't do herself any favors I think they do stuff like that This is this is my take on that when I saw all these people tweeting that the guy died in a car crash I was like that might be a trap

00:28:01 Speaker_03
That one might be a trap. I think they do stuff like that where they'll throw out a fake story and get people to share it without looking into it at all, and it turns out to be complete horseshit, and it makes the whole thing look like horseshit now.

00:28:14 Speaker_03
Now it looks like it makes the affidavit, it's at least connected to horseshit.

00:28:19 Speaker_06
You know what I mean? I mean, it's a good tactic.

00:28:22 Speaker_03
Yeah. Smart tactic.

00:28:24 Speaker_06
They've got a lot of good tactics.

00:28:25 Speaker_03
they're very organized which is really interesting and that's one of the things about trump is that he's so dominant and he's so swing from the hip that no one can kind of corral him you know and it seems like she's really open to being coached

00:28:42 Speaker_03
Like, some of these speeches are very different than any speeches she's ever given before. And you see the difference between that and then, like, did you see the Oprah interview? No. She's off the rails.

00:28:52 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:28:52 Speaker_03
Off the rails. I heard about it. Into fucking wine mom country again. Wow. Tim Dillon is the best. Tim Dillon's like, she's saying gypsy curses.

00:28:59 Speaker_08
Like, what is she saying?

00:29:04 Speaker_07
Oh man.

00:29:04 Speaker_03
It's like when you get her off the rails and she is, uh, it's kind of fucked up, right? Because that's not the job. The job is not being able to sound cool in an interview with Oprah. That's not the job.

00:29:20 Speaker_03
But that's the most important part about getting the job.

00:29:23 Speaker_06
I just want to hear how they're going to accomplish all this stuff.

00:29:27 Speaker_03
Well, they're going to do it once they get in, even though they're already in.

00:29:31 Speaker_06
That seems to be the typical response, right?

00:29:33 Speaker_03
Well, one thing that you can see really clearly is there is a ferocious effort to stop Donald Trump from becoming president again that I've never seen before. I've seen tight races. I've seen people very divided. You know, I've seen it for years.

00:29:52 Speaker_03
There's always been, like, a division between the Republicans and Democrats in this country, but not like this. Not like this, where the guy almost gets killed twice, and they don't even talk about it. It's scary, man. It's nuts. It's scary.

00:30:06 Speaker_03
Almost gets killed twice, and the second one, they just brushed it off. Like, I don't even think the guy got a shot off.

00:30:12 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:30:12 Speaker_03
Like, the guy was set up at a golf course for 12 hours, with a bulletproof vest on an AK-47 and was specifically there to kill Trump. You don't think that's crazy?

00:30:23 Speaker_06
I think it's crazy they didn't cover it. I mean it barely got covered.

00:30:26 Speaker_03
Barely. Barely. In and out. And then the brother of the guy or the guy's son gets arrested for child pornography.

00:30:34 Speaker_06
Do you know have you looked into the Blackrock commercial stuff at all?

00:30:38 Speaker_03
Is that real? The one shooter was in the Blackrock commercial that was the kid that tried to kill Trump Yeah, they said that this guy was in a Blackrock commercial, but I heard that that's not true. It's bullshit

00:30:50 Speaker_03
But that could be another one that they just throw out there.

00:30:52 Speaker_03
You throw one out there like that and then people retweet it and those people look stupid because you retweeted something dumb and then it just weakens the public's faith in what you have to say about things and also makes the story look stupid.

00:31:06 Speaker_03
Like, that story about that whistleblower will forever be connected to people retweeting the fact that he died in a car accident, even though he didn't die in a car accident. So it's always going to be shrouded in bullshit. It's kind of genius.

00:31:20 Speaker_06
It is, man. It's a great way to discredit.

00:31:25 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's a great way to get somebody elected. It's just it's when you're seeing the manipulation just in full bloom just marching down the street in front of everybody and no one's freaking out about it. That's what's really weird.

00:31:41 Speaker_06
What do you think? I mean, have you thought about who's behind all this? These assassination attempts? You think they're lone wolves or?

00:31:49 Speaker_03
Well, was it Matt Gaetz that was saying that he's been informed that there's five different kill teams looking for Trump in the country right now?

00:31:59 Speaker_06
Somebody did just say that.

00:32:00 Speaker_03
Two of them are domestic? Trump said it? There's five guys. They think they're going to get me. They're not going to get me. So here's the quote. Big threats on my life by Iran. The U.S. military is watching and waiting.

00:32:20 Speaker_03
Moves already been made by Iran that didn't work out, but they will try again. Not a good situation for anyone. I am surrounded by more men, guns and weapons than I have ever seen before.

00:32:30 Speaker_03
Thank you to Congress for unanimously approving far more money to Secret Service. Zero, no votes. What? Zero no votes, strictly bipartisan. Okay. Oh, I understand. Zero no votes, like no one voted against it. Strictly bipartisan.

00:32:46 Speaker_03
Nice to see Republicans and Democrats get together on something. An attack on a former president is a death wish for the attacker. It wasn't just him that was saying that, though. It was, I'm pretty sure it was Matt Gaetz.

00:33:03 Speaker_03
I know I have that saved too if you want to. So if there really are five different kill teams in the country looking for Trump right now, that's just insane. I bet it should be hard to find him. I mean, he has rallies, giant rallies.

00:33:19 Speaker_03
In New York, there was 60,000 people. That's insane. See, that's the difference between the Kamala Harris rallies.

00:33:24 Speaker_03
If that guy's telling the truth, and they really are just sort of manipulating this and putting on theater, that's a big difference between what's happening with Trump.

00:33:35 Speaker_03
He got, organically, he got 60,000 people to come see him and freak out in New York. It's kind of, the media is a monster. It really is. It's such an obvious monster. Such a deceptive, sneaky, propagandist monster.

00:33:54 Speaker_03
How long do you think the media has left? They'll be around. You think so? It all depends on who gets into office, really. It depends on, so the real fear was when they started getting their claws into Twitter.

00:34:09 Speaker_03
The real fear was when the government started suppressing accurate information and Twitter let them do it. That was scary close.

00:34:18 Speaker_03
So Elon buys Twitter, releases the Twitter files, Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi, and all those journalists, they all uncover all these different aspects that's super disturbing and totally illegal. and they release everything.

00:34:32 Speaker_03
And then Twitter becomes kind of crazy. Twitter's wild now. It's just totally wild, wild west, unregulated. And then, what do you got, Jamie? This is it? Yeah, okay. One of the five known teams hunting President Trump before Butler, Pennsylvania.

00:34:52 Speaker_03
Attempt was Ukrainian. So this is Matt Gaetz talking about this.

00:34:56 Speaker_03
But I think that if that hadn't happened, so if all of social media remained like staunch leftist, left-wing, just giving completely into whatever propaganda the government wants to give them regarding vaccines or Ukraine or anything else with no

00:35:19 Speaker_03
critical arguments about it that are accepted. Just anybody who doesn't follow the narrative, especially people like, you know, they censored people from Stanford and MIT.

00:35:32 Speaker_03
They were trying to tell them to pull those guys, like Jay Bhattacharya, all these doctors about COVID.

00:35:37 Speaker_06
Yeah. Oh, yeah, I did. I did.

00:35:39 Speaker_03
censoring like legitimate experts in the field who aren't kooks guys like peter mccullough who's the most published doctor in his field of study in human history And they're like, no, no, you're a kook.

00:35:52 Speaker_06
You're a kook.

00:35:54 Speaker_03
And we know now that that was not true, and he was correct. Now we all know, right? All these years later, most people kind of know what the fuck happened, even the people reluctant to admit they got duped.

00:36:06 Speaker_03
If Elon does not come along and buy Twitter, I don't know where we are right now. I really don't. Because if they had the clamps on Twitter,

00:36:14 Speaker_03
Then and they did the same thing with Twitter that they're doing right now with other social media apps It would be fucking awful out there. I know man.

00:36:22 Speaker_06
It's uh Elon's been a blessing. He really has already know it's it's a it's a big one I mean, I don't think they're going to be around that much longer. I feel like the media will die with the baby boomer generation.

00:36:38 Speaker_03
I think if Elon didn't buy Twitter, they would have been fine. I really do. Probably. The only thing that fucks them up is YouTube, but they've got a clamp on YouTube too.

00:36:46 Speaker_03
You know, YouTube is, they're very restrictive in what you can talk about, especially during the pandemic. They would ban you from YouTube for talking about things that we know for a fact are true now. It's, we dealt with a lot of that.

00:37:03 Speaker_03
We dealt with a lot of it, right? I'll bet you did, too. Oh, yeah. Anybody on YouTube, I mean, you have to, like, parse your words.

00:37:10 Speaker_03
You know, Jimmy Dore, even when he's criticizing the vaccine, he said, but you should take the vaccine because it's safe and effective. He always has to say it, like, to cover his ass. It's a joke.

00:37:19 Speaker_06
Was it nice for you to come off YouTube? Did you enjoy that when it first happened?

00:37:24 Speaker_03
Was it a huge pain in the ass gone? No. I don't pay attention to it. But my strategy was to become 10% less famous. So when I went over to Spotify, Spotify was going to give me all this money. And I was like, oh great.

00:37:37 Speaker_03
Just fucking be a little less famous too. That'd be good. Kind of like go the Howard Stern route. Kind of fade off into the sunset. Did it work? No, it didn't work. I was gonna get caught up in this massive controversy, you know.

00:37:53 Speaker_03
But it also, even before that, this podcast was growing on Spotify a little too quick. So there's no extra pressure being on YouTube. But there is a pressure if you're relying on YouTube. If you're relying on them, because they'll demonetize you.

00:38:12 Speaker_06
That's what I meant. I meant with like the censorship stuff. I was wondering, you know. Want to hear something interesting? Yeah.

00:38:17 Speaker_03
We got demonetized all the time. A lot of episodes got demonetized until we announced that we're going to go exclusive to Spotify. And then from that moment out, there was like a few months of a window. No kidding. They never demonetized us.

00:38:30 Speaker_03
They just took all the money. Like, don't go, Joe. No, they didn't. No, no, no. It wasn't that. They wanted the money now. Like, why would they demonetize me? Because they don't get a cut either.

00:38:37 Speaker_03
So what they're trying to do, essentially, is get you to fall in line by getting you to self-censor because it benefits you financially.

00:38:47 Speaker_03
It's a creepy, it's a creepy form of censorship because you do it to yourself and it's kind of okay because you can't really prove that they got you to not talk about things you wanted to talk about and they can't really prove that you've followed this public narrative just because you want to keep your job.

00:39:07 Speaker_06
I mean I... You know what really bothers me is We both put a lot into this, you know? And what bothers me, it's like, just tell me what you want me to take out. What is it?

00:39:22 Speaker_05
They won't fucking tell you. I don't want to talk to them.

00:39:26 Speaker_03
This is how my feeling on the thing is. I don't think they should be talking to people about what to put in. I think if you're not doing anything illegal, if you're not saying anything illegal or doing anything illegal, don't take it off.

00:39:37 Speaker_06
Some of it I... I'm totally with you some some of it. I get you know of like you know pedophilia 100% illegal stuff even language. I mean there's three-year-olds out watch.

00:39:49 Speaker_06
I got a three-year-old kid You know he's watching YouTube kids like so kids is great, so I get it when they like mark my shit with 18 plus

00:39:58 Speaker_06
but if if but they won't tell me you know it's like well just like i i can't correct the fucking problem if you don't tell me what it is right and and i mean i mean they just don't they don't want to abide they don't want to box themselves in and

00:40:15 Speaker_06
not be able to censor somebody.

00:40:18 Speaker_03
Yeah, there's that. And there's no benefit for them to tell you what you said that was wrong. There's no benefit. The good thing is to get you to self-censor. That's the best. Put the threat over you. That's why they give you strikes.

00:40:31 Speaker_03
One strike, two strikes. Sean, you got three strikes. You know, it's kind of silly. It's weird. It's like, is this the penal system or is this a goddamn social media platform?

00:40:41 Speaker_03
It should be, if advertisers don't want to advertise on that particular content, okay, that seems easy to manage, guys. And guess what? There'd be a lot of advertisers that would be willing to advertise on that content.

00:40:53 Speaker_03
You're just not being creative enough with your advertisement. If you're just treating it as a business. Or are you treating it as not just a social media video website, but a way to push and a way to amplify a very specific message?

00:41:11 Speaker_06
I mean, if you can control what comes out of people's mouths and you can control what they think.

00:41:16 Speaker_03
Yeah. And if you know, if you're making a lot of money on YouTube and you're doing great, like, wow, I've got a fucking real good life now. And then all of a sudden YouTube comes along and says, oh, you were talking about the vaccine, Sean.

00:41:27 Speaker_03
Sean, we can't have COVID vaccine misinformation on our platform. This is going to cost lives. And some some platforms make you do like a reeducation thing where you have to talk to them.

00:41:39 Speaker_03
Have conversations with them about what you did that may have been offensive or what you did that may have violated the terms and Conditions that they have for their community. Yeah, I think we had to do that.

00:41:51 Speaker_03
I think we did that fucking creepy that shit's fucking creepy because you're dealing with some fucking woke kid in Silicon Valley who up talks and

00:42:02 Speaker_03
And this person, OK, what you're doing, Sean, right now with your show, I know that you don't think it's harmful, but it really is. It really is. It's truly harmful. Yeah. It's truly harmful. Exposing government corruption. I can tell.

00:42:20 Speaker_03
It's real harmful, all right. It's fucking weird man.

00:42:23 Speaker_03
It's weird, but I'd love the fact that at least it exists and Even though it's not perfect because I don't think YouTube can be perfect because they're managing at scale in order for them to get all the pornography and the murder cartels upload murder videos to YouTube like

00:42:38 Speaker_03
They're constantly trying to put out fires. You imagine the amount of data that YouTube has to deal with on a daily basis. It kind of behooves them to just give them strikes, threaten them. Let's just slow everything down.

00:42:52 Speaker_03
Too much of this is getting us in trouble. We just want to make a lot of money. I get it. I get it. There's only one YouTube. It's kind of genius. And it's a perfect setup. The algorithm where it's constantly recommending stuff that you're interested in.

00:43:05 Speaker_03
It's fucking great. Great time waster. But it's also a tool for shaping narratives.

00:43:13 Speaker_03
And if only one narrative is pushed out there and other narratives will literally get you demonetized so you lose your ability to make a living and then possibly get your whole channel removed, which it did to many people.

00:43:26 Speaker_03
They just removed their whole channel. I mean, where do you think this is going to end? That stuff we talked about should be illegal. That stuff should be covered in the First Amendment. Demonetization? No.

00:43:39 Speaker_03
Because look, if you want to have standards where you say that the advertisers that we have, we have a group of advertisers, and they have requested No shows where someone swears. No shows where someone talks about sex.

00:43:55 Speaker_03
No shows where someone talks about over-drinking or anything like that. They just have rules. We don't want to be associated with that. That's totally reasonable.

00:44:05 Speaker_03
But when you want to stop a channel from uploading a video because they're making an argument that maybe the lab leak hypothesis is legitimate. And you're pulling that off the air. Well, now what are you doing?

00:44:17 Speaker_03
If you're deleting an episode that's accurate about really dangerous information, dangerous information, not just to us, but also to the organizations that paid for these crazy gain of function research projects, like what the fuck are you doing and what did you do?

00:44:36 Speaker_03
And if you were talking about that on YouTube and even expressing your ability to But just guess that maybe it came from that area. Have you ever seen that Jon Stewart interview where he was on the Colbert show?

00:44:50 Speaker_07
Yeah.

00:44:50 Speaker_03
Fucking amazing, right? Amazing. But even that, like Colbert's trying to stop them and just saying maybe these people who are working on these fucking viruses let one leak. Maybe. That would get you removed from YouTube.

00:45:04 Speaker_03
That's a violation of the First Amendment, in my opinion. Yeah. Because you should, especially some of these people were very informed people.

00:45:12 Speaker_03
They were biologists and they were talking about the very specific design of this virus, the faring cleavage sites and how it's very different than anything you see from a natural spillover.

00:45:22 Speaker_03
They were talking about technical, very specific details and they were getting banned. Brett Weinstein almost lost his channel.

00:45:31 Speaker_03
Yes, I didn't know that we had to have him on do an emergency podcast like let people know what the fuck is going on Yeah, they almost pulled his channel. Damn.

00:45:38 Speaker_06
That's he's a Biologist a brilliant one and he's talking about real information It's scary man, I mean, I don't know I think about it all the time obviously, I mean, yeah industries so it just I I I hope X turns out to be the new thing.

00:46:01 Speaker_03
I don't think X is going anywhere. I think Elon knows how important it is and he's got all the money in the world. I think he'll keep that bitch running. And I think it's also getting attached to AI now, which is going to be an insane moneymaker.

00:46:12 Speaker_03
I don't think X has any problems. I think X is going to grow it into some sort of an all-in-one app. It'll probably have cryptocurrency on it and private messaging and phone calls. You'll be able to shop on it.

00:46:23 Speaker_03
That's what it's probably going to be, if I had to guess.

00:46:28 Speaker_03
For places like Rumble, the more places like YouTube and Facebook and all these other places, more they can find people and more they force people into these boxes and make people toe the line if they want to make any money off of advertising or if they don't want to get their channel deleted.

00:46:45 Speaker_03
the more companies like Rumble will emerge. That's what I think. I think there's going to be just right now Rumble's a hard sell for some folks because they see it as like, oh, the right wing fucking like a MAGA. I'm not going to Truth Social.

00:46:59 Speaker_03
It's Truth Social video. You know, there's a lot of people that have those prejudices, but. You know, Russell Brand's on there. A lot of people are on there. It's a good platform. And it's an important platform.

00:47:09 Speaker_03
And we should support it and want it to grow. We should want them all to grow. Spotify's got video now. We need more video. Because audio's just not enough. Just audio podcasts. You want people to share things virally.

00:47:24 Speaker_03
And the virally stuff, it's all like Elon Musk when he smoked a blunt on my podcast. That's all video. You want video of that.

00:47:32 Speaker_03
And the more we have platforms where that stuff is just free, where you can just say whatever you want, say whatever you think about anything, which really X and Rumble are the only places that I know of that you could really do that right now.

00:47:45 Speaker_03
Have you had any problem on audio at all? No. Good. No.

00:47:50 Speaker_06
Good.

00:47:50 Speaker_03
I haven't either. It's uh, yeah audio is like they're leaving that alone for now. I think it's probably because it's not as easily shared That's what's coming next.

00:47:58 Speaker_03
Yeah, probably I mean all they would have to do is just put images of you and images of me and then have our audio and Upload that as a video and then maybe they would start coming after audio. Yeah.

00:48:10 Speaker_06
Yeah, I mean I I Hope you know, I just I just hope this shit starts to turn around and

00:48:18 Speaker_03
I do too, but I don't think it turns around if Kamala Harris gets into office. I think they clamp down more. I think the same stuff that they were trying to do with Twitter, they'll try to do with something else, with other things.

00:48:29 Speaker_03
They've already openly discussed it. She's openly discussed that the same rules have to apply to Facebook, they have to apply to Twitter, and that Elon Musk could lose his privileges. There's so many wild things that they're saying.

00:48:42 Speaker_03
Tim Walz said that the First Amendment doesn't apply to misinformation or hate speech. Well, it certainly does. It does. Sometimes people say things wrong.

00:48:51 Speaker_03
The goal of the First Amendment is you say something wrong, and then this guy who's an expert says the right thing. And then you correct him. Yeah, I mean, the misinformation, it's all opinion. Right. Well, so much of it turns out to be true.

00:49:06 Speaker_03
How about masks don't work? You would get screamed at for masks don't work.

00:49:09 Speaker_00
Well, guess what?

00:49:10 Speaker_03
They don't fucking work. They don't work. Fauci said masks don't work. Remember that interview before the pandemic, before they knew how big it was going to be?

00:49:19 Speaker_06
Yes. He was like, you don't have to wear a mask. Then it was wear two. Then it was wear doubles. Put two face diapers on.

00:49:25 Speaker_03
It's bananas how easily people fell in line. That scared me the most.

00:49:30 Speaker_06
I know, it was, I mean it's like, it's like, what are you, there's nothing they won't do.

00:49:39 Speaker_03
There's nothing they won't do. There's a lot of cowards out there. There's a lot of people that have never been pushed and they don't know what to do when they get nervous. and they're out there voting.

00:49:49 Speaker_06
Do you think they're cowards or do you think they're just lazy and they like being told what to do?

00:49:58 Speaker_03
There's both.

00:49:58 Speaker_06
It takes all the decisions out of their day.

00:50:00 Speaker_03
There's both. But there's also people that are scared of a negative response so they say what everybody wants them to say. You know, somebody described this really very eloquently, and I saved it on my phone because I was like, this guy nailed it.

00:50:15 Speaker_03
But essentially they were saying, like, especially with beta males, they don't say something because they have an opinion and they really want to express that opinion. They say something and they consider, am I going to get in trouble if I say this?

00:50:30 Speaker_03
And then if that's the case, they don't and are, am I going to get in trouble if I agree with them? And probably not because right wing people don't really go after you the same way left wing people do.

00:50:42 Speaker_03
Like if you want to talk about like a woman's right to choose, if you want to say, I agree with the woman's right to choose, but like Bill Burr's bit, you ever see that bit?

00:50:49 Speaker_03
And he goes, I think I agree with the woman's right to choose, but I also think you're killing a baby. You know it's kind of a crazy bit. It's because it's it's really funny because he's brilliant. But it's just that's really what it is.

00:51:01 Speaker_05
I mean that's the truth.

00:51:03 Speaker_03
That is what it is. It is what it is. I mean factually that is what it is. And this is coming from someone who's pro-choice. But I think that if you

00:51:13 Speaker_03
You know, if you look at all the things that they have that distract us, all the different things that are in the news constantly, whether it's the Diddy Raid or fucking J-Lo and Ben Affleck are breaking up, and you're just getting force-fed all kinds of shit while the border is wide open, while they have apps where people can get flights.

00:51:36 Speaker_03
The BP-1 app. What the fuck? Yeah. That sounds like the, you know, I had Chamath on. Do you know Chamath? I don't want to mispronounce his last name. I'll fuck it up. Brilliant, brilliant guy.

00:51:47 Speaker_03
And we were talking about how hard it was for his family to legally immigrate into this country and how difficult it was to get a visa. And I mean, this is a brilliant guy. He started Facebook. He's one of the original guys at Facebook. And he's this

00:52:05 Speaker_03
guy who did it the right way and every step of the way there was this tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his visa renewed because he didn't know if he was going to get kicked out of the country because someone could arbitrarily go, no, not good enough.

00:52:17 Speaker_03
Because he had to prove to be here that he has skills that an American doesn't have. He's a real expert in something.

00:52:26 Speaker_06
You know, I went down to the border about, I think it was about two years ago-ish, maybe a little longer, and I went down with Ed Calderon. I love Ed. Yeah, what a great guy, right?

00:52:39 Speaker_03
He's a great guy. I've met him a couple times.

00:52:40 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's where I found him, so thank you. I went down to TJ with him, and this was before it really, really hit the news cycle. And we walked into a migrant camp. There's probably a couple thousand migrants there.

00:53:00 Speaker_06
And so I yanked one of them out and interviewed him and, you know, used Ed to help translate. And I mean, the guy's been sitting there for, like, I think he was there with his wife and kids for, like, two years.

00:53:14 Speaker_06
And I was like, why don't you just, like, go across, dude? It's I mean, it's honest question. Like why don't you just go across? He said he wanted to do it the right way Wow, you know, he's like now he's like I just want to do it the right way.

00:53:28 Speaker_06
Oh my god He's running around with this little battery pack charging cell phones for 50 cents, you know, and I'm like I'm just like fucking a man like why don't like why don't they just Because nobody's anti-immigration. Not that I know of.

00:53:45 Speaker_06
And it's like, why don't you just un-fuck the immigration process and maybe we can get some more people in here quicker, legally, if you do that, and then we actually know who's coming in and we have documentation of who they are.

00:54:02 Speaker_03
Wouldn't that be nice?

00:54:03 Speaker_06
Yeah.

00:54:05 Speaker_03
Meanwhile, that's racist. Yeah. And they want them to vote, which is even crazier, and they're pumping them out into swing states. It's so transparent. It's happening right in front of everybody's face. And it's a wild grab for power.

00:54:21 Speaker_03
And the only people talking about it are people like us, which is really crazy.

00:54:26 Speaker_03
The only people that are talking about it are people that aren't really connected to some sort of executive corporation, a bunch of producers, a bunch of people telling you what to do.

00:54:36 Speaker_03
I mean, this is not even something that right-wing news wants to discuss.

00:54:41 Speaker_06
Good point. Good point. I mean, have you done any digging on who's coming across there? Yeah. I talked to Dr. Phil about it.

00:54:50 Speaker_03
Dr. Phil did this big investigation. He's got his own network now, Merit Media. It's gotten so bad that Dr. Phil decided he has to start a network for news. Good for him, man. He's a great guy. Good for him. Great guy.

00:55:02 Speaker_03
But he was essentially talking about how they really don't know how many people that are coming through that are criminals. They're dropping off their IDs on the Mexican side.

00:55:15 Speaker_03
They just get rid of their IDs so that when they cross over they have nothing on them. You don't know who they are. You don't know what they've done. Gang members, cartel members, guys escaping Venezuelan prisons. No one knows.

00:55:26 Speaker_03
All you have to do is get over here and we'll give you an EBT card, we'll set you up, go to New York City, they'll put you in a nice hotel, they'll give you free food. Meanwhile, there's poor people in Chicago that are like, what about us?

00:55:37 Speaker_03
What about American citizens that pay tax dollars? You guys don't give a fuck about us. You haven't done anything for us. Why? Because they know those people are going to vote Democrat. They know they already got them. They already got them.

00:55:48 Speaker_03
We've got those people. Statistically, they look at the numbers. Statistically, this has gone blue. We're fine. We're good. Let's just get some people in them swing states.

00:55:58 Speaker_06
It's fucking scary, man. I've been diving into the border shit for quite a while, and ever since this Afghanistan withdrawal, that was a big...

00:56:11 Speaker_03
I mean that was just fucking did you talk to Tim about that Tim Kennedy when you had him on a little bit a little bit Dude, he told me some shit He told me some shit that he just

00:56:24 Speaker_03
You can't imagine, like, that guy saw so much overseas, and he said the worst things he ever saw was the Afghanistan pullout.

00:56:31 Speaker_06
Dude, do you know who Tyler Andrew Vargas is? No. That's the one Marine that survived that big, that suicide bombing at Abbeygate. Abbeygate was, they killed 13 Marines.

00:56:44 Speaker_05
Yeah.

00:56:45 Speaker_06
And so I called him. Well, everybody wanted him to come on the show, and I was like, I'm never gonna get this fucking guy. Like, all the media, everybody wants him. And I was like, all right, fine, I'll reach out.

00:56:57 Speaker_06
So hit him on the gram and messaged right back. And he got in and he's like, man, he's like, I'm so glad that you reached out to me.

00:57:08 Speaker_06
He's like, I was literally just praying with my fiance that you would reach out because he had just did an ABC Good Morning America interview, interviewed for seven hours.

00:57:18 Speaker_06
They released five seconds of that interview, because it made the administration look so fucking bad, they wouldn't air it. So I got him on, kept getting dinged by YouTube.

00:57:30 Speaker_06
They didn't like the real footage, which was actually from his cell phone that we put, we do previews and shit. But man, to have his testimony about what happened that day,

00:57:46 Speaker_06
and and then the the care that Afterwards, which was a fucking trocious, you know guy.

00:57:54 Speaker_06
I watched this guy my studios on the second story and I Watch it, you know 23 year old kid hobble up those fucking stairs with one leg one arm All kinds of shit going on his intestine. I mean I just I was like man

00:58:11 Speaker_06
this didn't even have to happen they had the guy they had the fucking guy in the sights they could have killed him and you know nobody nobody gave him permission I just you know maybe they I mean I can't backseat quarterback it but maybe they shouldn't have asked just yeah eliminated him Jesus Christ I mean he's talking about you know before we got into the actual incident he was talking about

00:58:39 Speaker_06
you know, like, like moms trying to throw their babies over over the wall and getting caught up and razor wire and just seeing a fucking baby dangle there by the leg. Yeah, that's, you know, it's, there's like no, uh,

00:58:54 Speaker_06
you know, there's no repercussions for how that went down. The media just wants to fucking cover it up. And so, so I started digging deep and I teamed up with the former CIA targeter, Sarah Adams, and then a really good friend of mine, Scott Mann.

00:59:10 Speaker_06
And we went over to Vienna to interview this guy, Ahmad Massoud, who's the leader, the commander of the Northern Alliance out there. That's like the resistance that's kind of fighting the Taliban.

00:59:22 Speaker_06
You know, the Taliban pretty much took over government in Afghanistan. I saw the parade. Yeah, with all our shit that we left there. Crazy. Yeah, man.

00:59:33 Speaker_06
So we got a bunch of intel from Masood and, you know, like still kind of looping all the way back around to the southern border. I mean, so once Taliban took control of all of our shit, I mean, this could go on for a while.

00:59:50 Speaker_06
So the so now what they're doing is they have the they have the passport office over there. Just making legitimate passports to there's now there's 21 terrorist organizations over there training.

01:00:06 Speaker_06
Hans Abad Laden, who we were told was killed is actually fucking alive. and he's marrying into all these other terrorist networks. So he married Mullah Omar's daughter. He married, who else? He married into all these different terrorist networks.

01:00:21 Speaker_06
And so these guys used to be like competitors, kind of, you know, just like the UFO guys. You know, they all hate each other, but they all have the one common theme, like disclosure.

01:00:32 Speaker_06
These guys, the one common thing is, you know, let's go take over the Western world. So he is basically Hansa bin Laden, is married into all these terrorist organizations.

01:00:43 Speaker_06
Now they all have one common goal, to come over to, you know, the Western world and ruin our way of life.

01:00:51 Speaker_06
And so what they're doing is they're funneling as many of these terrorists into the passport office, creating them legitimate, real passports, and then they sprinkle them, they get them flights into all over South Central America, and then they funnel them up.

01:01:08 Speaker_06
through the Darien Gap into the US. And so, you know, there is zero, I don't give a fuck what the FBI or any of these people are saying, there is zero way to track how many of these fuckers have come in to the US.

01:01:25 Speaker_06
And so, you know, now what we're gonna see is like, October 7th style attacks like we just saw in Israel and in the mall in Russia and and everybody's like, oh, you know this well By design

01:01:40 Speaker_06
by design like the leaving the border porous allowing these people to come in absolutely i think it's by design i mean they basically told border patrol stand down like do not do your fucking job we're gonna blast you i mean remember the guy on the horse that they said was whipping yeah people and it wound up being like the reins yeah of the horse i mean

01:02:02 Speaker_06
Yeah, I think it's by design from the government, but I don't – I think that they're – look, I think that the government is more incompetent than it's ever been before and I think they have one common goal and that – I think the goal is voting.

01:02:23 Speaker_06
They want them to vote. But I don't think they're competent enough to realize the death and destruction and the other repercussions that we're going to face by keeping that border open, because they don't have anybody that

01:02:44 Speaker_06
They don't have anybody with any experience. They don't have any solid intelligence stuff going on that's telling them, like, hey, this is what's going to happen. It's all agenda driven. Jesus Christ. Does that make sense?

01:02:55 Speaker_03
Yeah, it does make sense. It does make sense that all they care about is voting, is get the people in, don't worry about the consequences.

01:03:01 Speaker_03
But the more insidious conspiracy would be that they want unrest because it gives them an opportunity to clamp down on rights.

01:03:09 Speaker_06
I mean, shit, though. I mean, unrest, I mean, They got really good at unrest, you know what I mean, in 2020, right? All through, or even before 2020, up to that election. So I don't think they need to import terrorism and cartels.

01:03:27 Speaker_03
Yeah, but it's a different kind of unrest. The kind of unrest that you get from people blowing up Target is very different than the kind of unrest you get from a legitimate terror attack.

01:03:37 Speaker_06
Yeah, yeah. Mean, you know them people. I mean, do you ever think about why nothing's happened yet? Like China if you looked into the power grid at all.

01:03:47 Speaker_03
Yeah, dude, it's not good lights out, buddy It's so easy to kill. Yeah, the power grid so weak. It's so vulnerable. It's really nuts It's nuts because anybody could target it

01:04:00 Speaker_06
Yeah, well, I mean, China, you know, we have those, we have, we have, you know, we get those big trans, everything's imported from China. And we have these huge, you know, transformers. You can tell me shut up if you already know all the shit.

01:04:14 Speaker_06
But all of those transformers are imported from China. And they're not checked. They don't even fucking check them for malware or Trojan horses or anything.

01:04:26 Speaker_06
And it would take, I mean, these transformers, it's not like the little box outside your house, you know, the green box. I mean, they have to take overpasses out just to transport these things. So you're talking years.

01:04:38 Speaker_06
And I think the number was like nine. If they took out nine transformers, then the entire U.S. would be out of power.

01:04:47 Speaker_06
On top of that, so then DOE, Department of Energy, actually investigated one because somebody was, it got to DC that whatever, they decided to look into it. And they wouldn't fucking release the results. They wouldn't fucking release the results.

01:05:07 Speaker_06
So, you know, they're in our water treatment plants, they're in our power grid. I've been talking about this shit for years, and then... Cell phone towers.

01:05:16 Speaker_06
Cell phone towers, and then FBI Director Chris Wray comes out and says, oh, yeah, turns out our grid's really vulnerable. China's in there. And they're also in our treatment plants, which means they can fucking poison us.

01:05:31 Speaker_03
Yeah, they own land around military bases. If they are on a long-term strategy, It's very effective. They're doing a great job. They undercut the competition to give us cell phone towers and all sorts of things. They position them around military bases.

01:05:46 Speaker_03
Mike Baker was explaining all of it to me. And I'm like, how are they letting this go through? Is it incompetence? Is it fools running it? Are they corrupt? How did they do that?

01:06:00 Speaker_03
I mean, one of the things that really fucked us, we got away from manufacturing and we relied on all these countries. And we really found that out during COVID when you couldn't get shipments. It was like, whoa, wait a minute.

01:06:09 Speaker_03
How much of our shit is made over there? Like everything? Like how much medicine is made overseas? How many different things that we need, that we constantly use, we don't even know how to make? Yeah. A lot. Masks.

01:06:23 Speaker_06
You seen those piles? I remember pulling the fucking masks out, you know. I didn't wear them very long, but I fell for it for about 30 days. Did you? And then I was like, this is fucking bullshit.

01:06:34 Speaker_06
But yeah, you pull the mask out, and I live out in the woods, so I didn't, you know. But yeah, made in China. I'm like, wait, didn't that thing come from the earth? They're making money hand over feet.

01:06:47 Speaker_03
Right, cool. The whole thing is nuts. Go US. Yeah, it's nuts. But getting away from manufacturing in this country really did not do this country any justice.

01:06:57 Speaker_03
It's just for corporations to save a little bit of money and to push everything off to third world countries to manufacture things. That's including our phones. And I've said this over and over again.

01:07:05 Speaker_03
If Apple could make an American made phone and charge me more money, I'd pay double for it.

01:07:11 Speaker_03
Charge me a phone where I know that people get union wages, they get healthcare, they get paid correctly, they can live a good life, and they work normal hours.

01:07:22 Speaker_03
They don't have to sleep in a fucking bunk like they do in that Foxconn building when they have nets all around the building to keep people from jumping from the roofs. You've seen that shit, right? No, actually. You haven't seen it? No.

01:07:33 Speaker_03
The Chinese factories where they make iPhones are so fucked that people are so distraught that they put all these fencing with giant nets all around the buildings because so many people were jumping to their death that they decided we'll just catch them with nets.

01:07:51 Speaker_03
Are you serious? Yeah, look at this. Those are the nets. Those are suicide nets all around the building.

01:07:56 Speaker_06
Sorry, buddy. Back to the assembly line.

01:07:58 Speaker_03
How crazy is that? Damn, that is fucked up, man. How crazy is that? Instead of making the conditions better where people don't... want to kill themselves so often that you need nets around a building, they go, nah, nets is fine. Fuck those people.

01:08:11 Speaker_05
Dude, it's, I mean, it's straight slavery.

01:08:14 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's close to it. I mean, they don't really have any other options. And when you're getting a phone, you know, and what's a phone like to 1500 bucks? Is that what it is? Charge $2,000. Charge $2,000. People will pay it.

01:08:30 Speaker_03
Most people are putting a part of their bill to pay a little bit of it off every day, and you really don't need to fucking switch phones every year. Everybody does, but you don't need to. It's stupid.

01:08:40 Speaker_03
I have an iPhone 11 that I use sometimes, one of my numbers. It fucking works great. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with it. It's a five-year-old phone or a four-year-old phone, whatever the fuck it is.

01:08:52 Speaker_03
so you could get a made in America phone and you wouldn't feel like you're supporting this horrific shit that everybody turns a blind eye to Because that's the only way you get that kind of stuff. You know, they they have them all made over there.

01:09:06 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, I Don't think it's coming back but Well, it could. I mean, there would have to be a large concerted effort. But the problem is it took decades to go away.

01:09:18 Speaker_03
It'll probably take slightly longer to come back, you know, because there's got to be planning and funding and people have to make long term investments. It's going to be a big gamble.

01:09:28 Speaker_03
Yeah, but so I mean, I'm sure you've seen who killed the where's what is it? Michael Moore's documentary? The Flint, Michigan one. What is it called again? Roger and Me? Roger and Me. That's right. I want to say who killed Roger Rabbit.

01:09:47 Speaker_03
Roger and me but it's all about what happened to Flint Michigan once they pulled out auto manufacturing and the the entire population just Those people who live in check to check they were doing okay, but they they had jobs and then all sudden gone Every job's gone.

01:10:03 Speaker_03
There's no jobs. There's nothing to do the entire industry is gone and just people went into dire poverty like horrific dire poverty like Instantaneously. Yeah, and just so a corporation could make some more money. It's sad. It's horrible.

01:10:18 Speaker_03
It's fucking horrible It's horrible, and it's horrible that that's an option that a corporation would would decide Fuck this town.

01:10:27 Speaker_06
What do you what do you think it would I mean? You do you think it's gonna come back or I think it could come back.

01:10:33 Speaker_03
It could come back. I mean I'm optimistic but honest. I try to look at it honestly, but also go, I think most people are good people. I really do. I really believe that. Even most of these people that are walking in from Guatemala, I'd do it too.

01:10:52 Speaker_03
If I was living in the middle of nowhere and you told me, hey, America's letting people in. You can get a landscaper job. You can make 20 bucks an hour. I'd be like, what? I would 100% walk.

01:11:03 Speaker_03
Why wouldn't you why wouldn't you I think most people are good people and they just want a better life And I think the more we unite under that idea and stop buying into this bullshit that like if either side Is correct that it's the end of democracy.

01:11:20 Speaker_03
I think I think we have to like stop all that tribal nonsense that's happening between the left and the right because

01:11:26 Speaker_03
People are just subscribing to ideologies and getting captured in them just like a religious fervor like they think that they they're they're doing The only thing that could possibly be done to save us all and that the other side is a dire threat That's why like something like 24% of Americans think it would be a good thing if Donald Trump got shot.

01:11:48 Speaker_03
I just read that fucking insane

01:11:51 Speaker_03
Fucking insane that people would think that Violence by an assassin would be a good thing on a former president like we're that fucked but I think that that's just a lot of media manipulation and a lot of fucking a lot of people getting riled up and living in these echo chambers and these bubbles and

01:12:12 Speaker_03
But I think ultimately at the core most people are good people and I think if we had some wins if Some things like that did start getting built and they stood did start bringing back more American manufacturing and people start getting excited about the idea that America becomes a Not just a place of innovation and art and creativity, but also like we start manufacturing great shit again Yeah, there's no reason why we don't do that.

01:12:36 Speaker_06
I mean, I just I don't feel like I I feel like technology is advancing at such a rapid pace. I mean, I feel like AI and robots will take over everything.

01:12:52 Speaker_03
Well, if AI and robots do that, at least we can get AI and robots to manufacture things in America. That would be good.

01:12:58 Speaker_06
No, I'm with you. I just, I don't see, I guess what I'm saying is I don't see the union worker. I don't see where their place really fits in. There's going to be a lot less of them, that's for sure.

01:13:10 Speaker_03
It's pretty much every job, every manual labor job is under threat. I think every job's under threat. I don't think podcasts. How you gonna think like me Yeah, good luck. Good luck and comedy.

01:13:26 Speaker_03
You're always gonna have comedy Movies are in real trouble because AI can write pretty fucking amazing scripts and the CGI the the way they can crank out videos Bananas now. Yeah, I mean it's bananas.

01:13:37 Speaker_03
It's just it looks perfect and it comes out like minutes instead of years Do you really think podcasting is safe from AI? I I don't know. Well, I know AI is going to translate, so Spotify is going to translate my show to multiple different languages.

01:13:53 Speaker_03
Nice. Eventually, once they get the technology completely dialed in. But they'll be able to do it in Spanish, German, French, and you're going to be able to hear, it'll sound like me, but speaking fluent French.

01:14:06 Speaker_06
No kidding.

01:14:07 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:14:07 Speaker_06
Are you like the...

01:14:11 Speaker_03
I don't test bunny. No, they've done it already.

01:14:13 Speaker_06
Oh cool.

01:14:13 Speaker_03
They've definitely done it, but it's They're going to be able to once they have it completely dialed in where there's no glitch because there's gonna be some weird glitches in context and You know cultural things like that that aren't gonna make sense if you translate it.

01:14:26 Speaker_03
Yeah, that'll be weird. I But once they get it dialed in pretty good, it's going to, it'll be great for everybody. It'll open up the world to like, I want to know what these folks are saying in Russia. You know, I'd like to listen to a Russian podcast.

01:14:40 Speaker_03
Yeah. You know, I've watched some Russian news things and seen the, uh, the teleprompter roll. And it's like, they're always mocking us and make fun of us for having 78 genders. And like, they relentlessly mock us in the news.

01:14:51 Speaker_03
I'm like, that's interesting. Like, this is how Russia looks in America.

01:14:55 Speaker_06
Yeah. I think that would be great. I mean, I probably shouldn't be talking about my direction that I'm going to go, but fuck it, whatever. That's what I want to do.

01:15:06 Speaker_06
I want to start going and talking to all these foreign dignitaries and getting a different perspective on what we're doing. I don't think we're the good guys.

01:15:19 Speaker_06
Anymore, you know, I don't agree with a lot of the shit that I was involved in you know as a seal or CA contractor and and I mean, I I mean like bricks. Are you familiar with bricks?

01:15:32 Speaker_06
No British Brazil Russia India China South Africa, I think don't quote me on this. I think they have 22 countries now it's it's kind of like It's kind of like a counter to NATO.

01:15:48 Speaker_06
It's all these countries that are tired of us, tired of the tariffs, tired of the weaponization of the US dollar.

01:15:54 Speaker_06
And so basically, what they're trying to do is throw the US currency off the off the off the world stage, and pull it and use Chinese yen. Whoa, and you know, I mean, that that would, that would destroy us if all trade went to

01:16:13 Speaker_06
If the world reserve currency went to the Chinese Yuan, that would destroy our economy. And so, but yet they're gaining a lot of traction on this. And so, yeah, I would love to go to any one of these 22 countries and talk to them and just ask like,

01:16:32 Speaker_06
Why are you doing this? Why are you doing this? Because that gives... Nobody's fucking talking about this shit.

01:16:40 Speaker_03
I didn't even know about it until just now.

01:16:42 Speaker_06
Yeah, there's no journalists talking about this. You could look up Bricks on X. There's a page. I don't know if it's an official one, but they're always posting updates about it and what's going on.

01:16:58 Speaker_06
I think it would be really important for somebody to go around and start talking to, you know, getting another perspective rather than what, you know, Fox and CNN have to say about it.

01:17:11 Speaker_03
What changed with you that altered your perspective about us being the good guys? COVID.

01:17:20 Speaker_06
Really? Yeah. I mean, that's... I mean, I used to get, like, really upset when people would talk about the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan and when I was still in. And I got so pissed off I moved out of the fucking country.

01:17:42 Speaker_06
And I was like, I don't even want to listen to this shit anymore. But after diving in and looking at the policies that came out and kind of, you know, it's kind of like when

01:17:55 Speaker_06
It's just reflecting on some of the policy decisions and stuff that didn't really make sense at the time when I was in, that now I look back and I'm like, man, what the, like, I didn't have time to think about it then, because it was, okay, go on the next op, go on the next mission, whatever, right?

01:18:13 Speaker_06
And, but now like looking back through the podcast and talking to, you know, my podcast started with all my former colleagues and, and, and mill and agency. Nobody thinks we should have been there, especially Iraq.

01:18:31 Speaker_06
Nobody thinks we should have been there. Um, it's, and I just keep going down the rabbit hole and man, I, I just, I don't,

01:18:43 Speaker_06
diving into the military-industrial complex, all the lies that the government has been telling us, all the unreleased classified shit. It's overwhelming and it's created 100% complete distrust in government. I mean, the Dick Cheney stuff.

01:19:05 Speaker_06
I mean, you know about Dick Cheney, Halliburton. Yeah, have you looked into that? Yeah at all.

01:19:10 Speaker_03
Well, he was the CEO of Hal Burton and then Hal Burton got no bid contracts to rebuild in Iraq for billion.

01:19:16 Speaker_06
I don't think I don't think people understand like how crazy that is. How big, I mean, it was the fucking logistics company for two wars. That's like, that's everything, Joe.

01:19:29 Speaker_06
They're delivering your mail, they're building your barracks, they're cooking your food, they're in charge of garbage, they're in charge of fuel. Everything, everything. Everything that's logistical over there is Halliburton, KBR.

01:19:45 Speaker_03
Wow.

01:19:46 Speaker_06
In both countries. And I mean, You know, I think people think Afghanistan, they're like, oh man, you're probably on a 10 or sleeping on the side of a mountain or something. No, man, there's fucking Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Thai restaurants.

01:20:00 Speaker_06
I mean, that's all. That's all logistics. I mean, it's it's fucking it's it's cities that we built over there. And it all was built by Halliburton. Wow. Who is who is, you know, the vice CEO's vice president in the fucking country. Like, what?

01:20:19 Speaker_06
Are you serious?

01:20:22 Speaker_03
And now he supports Kamala Harris. Yeah. Right. When you see the left getting excited that Dick Cheney is supporting their candidate, you know the world's gone haywire.

01:20:36 Speaker_03
The same people that used to think Dick Cheney was the devil, now all of a sudden they're like, look, Dick Cheney.

01:20:47 Speaker_06
It's like nobody actually has an opinion anymore. They're just told, this is what we're going with for the next two hours.

01:20:57 Speaker_03
I wonder how long they can keep that up with the internet because the distrust in the media is at an all-time high It's it's probably It has to be higher than it's ever been in human history It's never been in the history of printed words right now.

01:21:13 Speaker_03
More distrust than ever. And at the same time, you have these independent people that have become bigger than the media. That's never happened before. There's never been a thing where just like an app that you get on your phone has

01:21:28 Speaker_03
30 times more views than the top show at CNN. Yeah, that's never happened before. But now that's the world that we live in. And so propaganda is not effective anymore. And it's also the delivery method that they use. It sucks.

01:21:41 Speaker_03
They sit there with makeup on with perfect clothes. And they said, right now in Syria, and they start reading these things, and they're reading them off the teleprompter.

01:21:50 Speaker_03
And you know that that's that person could be working at fucking entertainment tonight. They could be working at any other show. They're just a talking head. They know they're the mouthpiece for some giant corporation.

01:22:04 Speaker_03
No one thinks that's the real news anymore. You have to be like old boomers who are real tired, like those old liberal boomers. They're still like MSNBC to the death, like the Stephen Kings out there. MSNBC to the death.

01:22:18 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's what I was saying about the baby boomer generation. I mean, I think that the media will die. If things continue just the way they are and the censorship doesn't get too bad, I think the media is done when the baby boomer.

01:22:33 Speaker_03
Didn't George Soros just buy 200 radio stations? Yeah, man. First of all, what a bad investment because who the fuck listens to radio? That's a bad investment. But second of all, what are you going to do?

01:22:45 Speaker_03
Because one thing that I do find is that right wing talk radio is probably the only talk, that's the only place where you get a lot of right wing ideas. There's a lot of local right wing talk radio.

01:22:59 Speaker_03
The reason why I know is my mechanic, whenever he fixes one of my cars and he brings it back, he's always listening to right wing talk radio.

01:23:08 Speaker_03
So I turned my car on the other day and I'm listening these guys argue About Kamala Harris and the border and that she was the fucking borders are you know? They're they didn't swear but they were going over this and I was like, that's interesting.

01:23:19 Speaker_03
Like maybe that's what he wants to stop You know, if you want to own 200 radio stations, you just start firing all those right-wing guys.

01:23:27 Speaker_06
That's what I think, you know.

01:23:29 Speaker_03
You would stop a lot of that because I think that's where a lot of people are getting their information that aren't using podcasts. Because it seems like I don't hear a lot of left-wing AM talk radio shows. Do you? No. No. Weird, right? It is.

01:23:44 Speaker_03
It's like the one area that seems to be dominated by right-wing talkers. Well, we're probably about to. But I mean, I don't know what a good move that would be. Maybe he knows more than me about how many people that affects. And maybe my mechanic.

01:24:00 Speaker_03
I should ask him.

01:24:01 Speaker_06
Yeah, I mean, the guy's so wealthy, I don't think he really cares about a good investment. Also, he's so old. He just wants a megaphone.

01:24:09 Speaker_03
Well, he likes to manipulate governments. He likes to manipulate society. I think it's his version of a video game. Yeah. I think he genuinely seems to enjoy it. It's really interesting. I think you're right.

01:24:26 Speaker_03
Elon's openly said he thinks that guy hates humanity Like that it appears that way that is a wild thing to say

01:24:34 Speaker_03
It's such a wild thing to say and it's such a wild thing to do like a supervillain in a Batman movie, like some billionaire guy who likes to hire the most progressive district attorneys that's going to let people out of jail and then fund the next person who's more to the left of that person and just keep pushing it, keep pushing it, keep pushing it until you get tents everywhere, violence in the streets, you know.

01:25:02 Speaker_06
He's done a damn good job.

01:25:04 Speaker_03
How come there's no right wing guys like that do it the other direction?

01:25:06 Speaker_06
I always wonder that too.

01:25:08 Speaker_03
I always wonder that. Well, it's also like if you look at the amount of donors that donate to the left versus donate to the right. Have you ever seen that chart? No. It's fucking nuts. The left gets so many more donations than the right does.

01:25:23 Speaker_03
It's a giant difference. Why do you think that is? I don't know, man. I think a lot of rich people feel guilty and they get into philanthropy. And it also is a good way to cover their ass and make them look like better people.

01:25:36 Speaker_03
And the people that really go after you, if they don't think you're a good person, are generally the left. So if you could, like, throw them a little cheddar, you're like, keep my side.

01:25:46 Speaker_06
I wonder if they're buying their place outside of the rules. Like, hey, I donated to your thing.

01:25:54 Speaker_03
I don't have to live by these fucking rules. There's got to be a little bit of that in there. What do you got, Jim?

01:26:00 Speaker_02
This shows the top donors to OpenSecrets.org. Six of the top seven are Republicans. Oh, individual donors.

01:26:10 Speaker_03
What I was talking about was like they showed a chart that had like Google, Facebook, all these mega corporations that were donating. So this is like individual donors. Wow, some guys donated $105 million. But that's guys probably worth billions.

01:26:28 Speaker_03
That's probably some sort of a write off too, isn't it? That's pretty crazy. Go to top corporation donations via party. Because that's the chart that I was looking for.

01:26:42 Speaker_03
It was just nuts to see just how much money overall is being spent to push the Democratic Party. It's pretty extreme. You know, and you gotta think, what are they getting out of that? What's the end goal?

01:27:02 Speaker_03
And how could you look at what's going on right now and go, this is great?

01:27:04 Speaker_06
That's what I, sometimes I think it's all, it is a complete facade.

01:27:10 Speaker_03
This is the number one, this is corporations. So they donate more than Google. federal contributions So 82 million is the top Top one and that's empower parents PAC and these are right-wing. Is that why it's red.

01:27:29 Speaker_03
I'd assume so So it seems like the top four why what it was what what is that Google chart that I was saying? And I don't see even see Google on this Is it alphabet would they put it under alphabet? I?

01:27:43 Speaker_02
Yeah, I don't know. I'll try.

01:27:45 Speaker_03
I'll try again. Okay. This is secrets, though. Yeah, open secrets might be like, that's not donate to nonprofits, though.

01:27:56 Speaker_02
I just have top corporate donors is just all I typed in.

01:28:00 Speaker_03
Okay. Is this corporate donors to what, though?

01:28:05 Speaker_02
That's why I was waiting.

01:28:06 Speaker_03
Giving to programs that empower organizations to do more so you can find promising funds. I think that's fundraising shit. I don't think that's necessarily political donors.

01:28:17 Speaker_02
This is all campaign donors, parties, PACs.

01:28:22 Speaker_03
That's the individuals, right? No, this is the corporates. This is the corporate ones? Yeah. So what was that Google chart then? The number two donator to the Democratic Party was that Sam Bank from Freed guy, which is crazy.

01:28:38 Speaker_05
No kidding.

01:28:39 Speaker_03
Yeah. That one seemed like maybe that was a good way to skirt around stuff. Yeah.

01:28:45 Speaker_02
Didn't work. Yeah. This is what it says Google or Alphabet gave on OpenSecrets. It says they gave just under $10 million to contributions and then spent like 21 mil. Lobbying. Lobbying. Top recipients, obviously Kamala Harris.

01:29:02 Speaker_03
Yeah, so Google's all blue. Oh, is this who they donated to?

01:29:09 Speaker_02
Yeah. One Republican donation.

01:29:13 Speaker_03
Never Back Down, Inc. What is that? It's a Chuck Norris movie. It's weird because it's supposed to be the will of the people. It's supposed to be the government works for the people. And it's not that.

01:29:28 Speaker_03
It's some very bizarre, enormous amount of money that's being spent to make sure that the people in power continue to run things the exact same way. That's what I think they're really terrified about Trump.

01:29:41 Speaker_03
It's not necessarily even that he's a Republican. It's much more that he's a guy that is not going to play the game.

01:29:48 Speaker_03
And that when he gets in there, he's going to, like, one of the things that he's talked about is having Elon come in and do some sort of a government efficiency agency. They're terrified of that. Because it's not efficient.

01:30:00 Speaker_03
And he's going to come in with, like, that Tesla mindset. It's like, you're working 16 hours a day and you're sleeping on the fucking couch. We're here to get some shit done. You tried applying that to government.

01:30:09 Speaker_06
That's you know. Yeah, I shaved What did he shave like 80% of the staff off Twitter? Oh, yeah, what do you got it?

01:30:15 Speaker_03
Yeah? It was like what's going? What the fuck are you people doing? Why do you have so many people working here doing nothing?

01:30:21 Speaker_07
Yeah?

01:30:21 Speaker_03
Yeah? Yeah, he was right. Yeah, he was right. Especially you don't want to censor people like it's it's interesting how people React to it that he's ruined Twitter.

01:30:32 Speaker_03
He's destroyed Twitter No, he's he's you could still block these crazy people if you want you could still not see them if you want Yeah, but what he's allowed is everyone to talk

01:30:45 Speaker_03
Everyone yeah, and if you don't think that that's good You're very short-sighted and you don't understand human beings like you cannot have human beings censored Because someone is going to be in power and they're gonna take advantage of that censorship.

01:30:58 Speaker_03
They're not different than us They're not these incredibly benevolent beings who just want everything to work out. Well, no, they're people. Yeah, and a lot of them are dirty dirty people dirty corrupt people that went to diddy parties

01:31:15 Speaker_03
It's it's it's that control what they say control what they think you know It's wild It's a it's a crazy time to be a person to watch all this go down in the same time AI is being developed And we're not even exactly sure where it's at right now.

01:31:31 Speaker_03
You know at any moment in time it could be a sentient force and AI is already manipulating, lying, changing things.

01:31:41 Speaker_03
One of the things that they put this AI program, they gave it a task, and they gave it a specific allotted amount of time, and it couldn't achieve it in the allotted amount of time, so it gave itself more time.

01:31:51 Speaker_05
No kidding?

01:31:53 Speaker_03
Wow. They also have things called hallucinations. AI doesn't want to admit it's wrong or it doesn't know things. So if it doesn't have information, it will kind of create an answer. No shit? Yeah. And they don't understand why it's doing that.

01:32:07 Speaker_03
And sometimes that answer is not true. I got to be honest, man. This AI stuff scares the shit out of me. It should. I think it's a life form. I think it's the next kind of living thing. I think we're going to give birth to it.

01:32:22 Speaker_03
I think we're just running head first towards the cliff. feet on the ground, full clip, looking down, not looking ahead, and I think we're going right over a cliff with this thing.

01:32:36 Speaker_06
Yeah. I don't... I mean, it's a tough... I mean, what are we going to do, though? I mean, China... You have to do it. Xi Jinping has come out and said that he believes that the winner to the race of AI will achieve global domination. So what do you do?

01:32:53 Speaker_06
Do you try to control it? It's probably true. Is is Americans do you try to control it or do you do you go? Fuck it. We got to do it man.

01:33:06 Speaker_03
We got to go We got to go or China's gonna pass this up, which they probably already have but I don't think they have I think one of the things they're doing is they're stealing our tech and there was some recent speculation that China had gotten access to some of open AI's work and

01:33:20 Speaker_03
They think it's possible, which means it probably did happen. I think there's probably a shit ton of espionage. I mean, this is the reason why they banned Huawei products from the United States. You know, I'm a cell phone dork. I really love technology.

01:33:34 Speaker_03
And Huawei had a phone that was coming out that was really excited about it. I'm like, this is crazy. Like, they were doing 100 megapixel cameras and phones way before anybody else.

01:33:44 Speaker_03
They had a Porsche design Huawei phone that was like this incredible phone. It was built better than any other phone. It was much more expensive, but built better than any phone you get in America. And I was like, wow.

01:33:55 Speaker_03
And this is back when I would use both Android and Apple regularly. And then they banned it. I was like, that sounds kind of crazy. Only one company? There's other Chinese companies.

01:34:06 Speaker_03
And then I started looking into it and it's not just the cell phones, it's routers, it's all sorts of things.

01:34:13 Speaker_03
They found third party inputs and different pieces of technology and different ways that they can exploit and use this stuff to siphon information from networks.

01:34:23 Speaker_03
Like if they're attached to a network that's at a university and they're doing research projects, they can siphon that information. They also embed students in these places that are beholden to the CCP.

01:34:34 Speaker_03
These students rise up, get their PhDs, and some of them wind up going back to China. The whole thing is really strange, because we're such an open, loose society that we're vulnerable to these kind of attacks. You can't buy shit in China.

01:34:49 Speaker_03
You want to buy land in China? Good luck, fuckface. They won't sell you a house. They're not going to sell you land near the military base. Are you out of your fucking mind? But in America, we're so goofy, we let China buy up farmland

01:35:03 Speaker_03
that's near military bases. And then we let them sell us the cell phone towers surrounding the military bases. And we don't even check them.

01:35:12 Speaker_06
Let them fly spy balloons, you know, traverse the entire United States.

01:35:16 Speaker_03
Apparently that was something they didn't want to tell Trump about. They hid that from Trump. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. That was that this some of this had happened during the Trump administration, but they didn't tell him.

01:35:25 Speaker_03
Yeah, cuz he probably like shoot it down. Yeah fucking 100% he'd say shoot it down. Why wouldn't you why wouldn't you they did eventually shoot it down?

01:35:34 Speaker_06
You know it bothers me though like Maybe they're not ahead of us, but I mean, you know, the energy that they're building coal mines every day to power all this stuff. And we're going on about, should we use fossil fuels or not?

01:35:51 Speaker_06
And, you know, and we just talked about how weak our grid is. So if we don't beef up the grid and start going, you know, nuclear, then we're going to fucking lose this race.

01:36:03 Speaker_03
Well, not only that, like, how are you saying, Like California, for example. California is not going to have internal combustion engine cars by 2035. By 2035, you have to buy only electric cars.

01:36:18 Speaker_03
I mean, it can be reversed for sure, and it probably will be once the Great War happens.

01:36:24 Speaker_03
But if you're going to say that and you have a grid that you have to shut down, like you have to do brownouts every summer because of people using the air conditioning.

01:36:33 Speaker_03
And after he said that, after Newsom said this about this thing about 2035, within two months, they asked people to stop charging their Teslas because it was wrecking the grid. What? Mind-blowing, right?

01:36:50 Speaker_03
You're asking people to stop charging their electric cars, and you're not doing anything to strengthen your grid? What are you doing to beef this up for 2035?

01:36:59 Speaker_03
Do you have some immense project that you're building that is going to make a much more sustainable, much more robust grid that's going to be able to handle 30 million electric cars in your state? Are you out of your fucking mind?

01:37:14 Speaker_06
Yeah, there's literally no – I mean I look into this all the time. There's no infrastructure going in to correct the problem because the problem is so big that nobody wants to tackle it.

01:37:26 Speaker_03
Yeah, and it's a long-term problem. Just like when they talk about putting in chip manufacturing plants, like NVIDIA just stopped its production in Austin. See what happened with that.

01:37:40 Speaker_03
So apparently they weren't achieving the results that they demanded, that they desire. You have to have certain tolerances when you're making these computer chips. And so they set this plant up in Texas, and I think they just

01:37:55 Speaker_03
Cancel the contracts for a bunch of people working there because they've kind of recognized that this is just not gonna work What why is it gonna work a good question? I didn't really get into it.

01:38:03 Speaker_03
I just read part of it I mean there's asking Jamie to pull it up.

01:38:06 Speaker_06
I think it's not meeting their standards Nvidia is the company didn't they start?

01:38:12 Speaker_03
buying a Samsung

01:38:16 Speaker_06
Didn't NVIDIA start producing all their chips in the ocean? They're buying these massive ships. Really? You'd have to look that up.

01:38:25 Speaker_02
They're doing it in the ocean? I don't know. There's a huge thing that Intel did in Ohio. They're still trying to do it to make chips there for semiconductors or whatever. But this was in Texas. No, I know.

01:38:36 Speaker_02
I was just saying part of the reason they picked it was because there's no seismic activity there. Oh, that makes sense. So being in the ocean sounds opposite of that.

01:38:42 Speaker_03
Super sketch. Interesting. Why are they doing it in the ocean, though?

01:38:45 Speaker_06
Yeah, I don't know. I didn't look into it.

01:38:47 Speaker_03
I didn't look into it either. International law?

01:38:49 Speaker_06
It was one of those articles I started reading and I was like, I don't understand any of this shit.

01:38:54 Speaker_03
See if you can find the Texas one. See if it's Samsung.

01:39:05 Speaker_02
God damn it, I was just reading it too. Multiple semiconductor manufacturing projects delayed in the U.S.? That's a month old.

01:39:13 Speaker_03
No, this is pretty recent. This is pretty recent. They were talking about they're not achieving the results they desire, which is what my point is, it's a long term project in order to get up to the manufacturing levels that China's at right now.

01:39:26 Speaker_03
It's a long term project. We're really behind this. Yeah, like they're way way way way way ahead of us. They make everything and they make amazing things now It used to be made in China was junk made in China.

01:39:37 Speaker_06
They make some of the most incredible electric cars you can buy well the drone game, too I mean, that's the future of warfare right is all these these drone swarms and DGI, you know, that's a Chinese company and this is this is a

01:39:55 Speaker_06
This is going to be a big fucking problem when we realize, hey, the next one isn't going to be guys in caves anymore.

01:40:05 Speaker_03
Right. Samsung withdraws its personnel from that's it Taylor plant located in Texas due to 2 n m Gaa yields unable to improve beyond the 10 to 20 percent range.

01:40:17 Speaker_03
That's it click on that So see what it says so that's it is Samsung So this is an enormous project that Samsung and everybody was all excited Samsung was going to start making chips

01:40:29 Speaker_03
So the Taylor Hub was initially planned to mass-produce wafers of advanced processes below the 4nm lithography, allowing Samsung to secure lucrative clients in the U.S. Unfortunately, despite

01:40:46 Speaker_03
Progressing with the chip-making plant, the company has faced a challenge that has become all too familiar with the entity, ensuring healthy yields, particularly with its 2nm GAA process.

01:40:57 Speaker_03
The situation surrounds 3nm GAA is not pretty either, with Business Korea reporting that Samsung's yields for this technology stand at 50%, whereas TSMC has a significant lead As it's three nanometer yields are in the 60 to 70 percent range.

01:41:16 Speaker_02
That's the Taiwan semiconductor.

01:41:18 Speaker_03
Mm-hmm Yeah, so it's they're just not not good enough yet I mean they're doing it from the ground up and it's gonna there's gonna be a lot of trial and error

01:41:27 Speaker_03
It's gonna take a long-ass time, you know, I mean remember when SpaceX started and you know rockets were exploding Yeah, and people like oh my god the rocket exploded and Elon was like, yeah We're gonna blow some rockets up because we have to figure out exactly what the tolerances are and how to do it correctly And this is all part of the process.

01:41:43 Speaker_03
We knew this was gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah, you know and that's when you're doing something That's that enormous Like, if you want to start making all the computers here, like, good Lord, that is a stretch. They've been doing it over there for so long.

01:41:58 Speaker_03
They've got it down to a science. Yeah. And, you know, you've got all these companies, whether it's Lenovo or all they've been manufacturing laptops forever, manufacturing chips and hard drives and processors and like to catch up with them. Good Lord.

01:42:15 Speaker_03
They're so far ahead of us.

01:42:16 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:42:17 Speaker_06
Yeah. It's I mean I don't I hope it comes back to the US but I would just I would like to see us just start getting stuff from somebody other than China.

01:42:33 Speaker_03
That'd be nice. That'd be a great start. Well, I think Samsung has stopped making their phones in China. I think they're the only country. Did they really? Yeah. Google that. 90% sure that's true.

01:42:44 Speaker_02
This article is saying that these Nvidia chips, which I guess are ours because it's a Silicon Valley based company, puts the US way further ahead of China.

01:42:55 Speaker_03
with artificial intelligence. The gap between China and U.S.

01:42:59 Speaker_03
leading in artificial intelligence chip technology is set to widen even further after NVIDIA founder and chief executive Jensen Huang unveiled next generation processors for what he called the new era of generative AI and robotics used in industries.

01:43:15 Speaker_03
But we're right, but we're not making those but the thing is the other part of it is like they're gonna get access to this stuff Which is this is the really creepy thing that people keep admitting.

01:43:24 Speaker_03
Is that it's it's very porous the the Top-secret information these companies have espionage is like super common.

01:43:32 Speaker_03
It's so valuable Yeah, it's so lucrative that you know, they don't even sometimes they probably don't even know when stuff is getting siphoned over there

01:43:40 Speaker_06
Well, I mean, you have to just think, I mean, it's Chinese, from what I understand, it's Chinese law that anything, any business that is taking, that is being conducted within China, if it helps, if the technology helps the military or could potentially help the military, then China, then CCP has access.

01:44:00 Speaker_03
Yes. Yeah.

01:44:02 Speaker_06
And that's end of story. So anything, any fucking thing over there that's being developed or manufactured, It's all of that technology is in their hands.

01:44:13 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's just it just is it's not is it's not your country's Or like what China's doing is companies do not get to function on their own.

01:44:21 Speaker_06
They function under the wing of the government Yeah, they they they they they suck these American companies them with with getting around the red tape, you know, and and

01:44:33 Speaker_06
And then it's, you know, and the cheap labor, cheap prices, and then once it's going, I mean, they control it. Do you want this money train to end right now? Because you're not in America, buddy. Exactly.

01:44:46 Speaker_03
And people are whores, and they just go over there. They take that money, got a great deal, thinking about buying a jet. I mean, we've seen what they do. It's pretty amazing stuff.

01:45:00 Speaker_03
Do you know the story about the woman who was working on anti-gravity technology? No. She was working on anti-gravity technology. She was originally from China and then disappeared and went back to China.

01:45:11 Speaker_03
She apparently was making some breakthroughs and came back to America and wound up dead. I forget how she died, but some some slippery circumstances.

01:45:21 Speaker_03
We like hmm like car accident or something like that like yeah damn yeah, it's like that's Wild and the guy that came up with the hydro engine Yes. Oh, that guy. Yeah. The guy that came with the water engine. That's a great story, too.

01:45:35 Speaker_03
But this woman, if they've developed some sort of anti-gravity technology, and I've always wondered when we're looking at these things that people are calling UAPs or whatever you want to call them, like, how many of those are super sophisticated drones?

01:45:50 Speaker_03
It's not zero. It's not zero percent.

01:45:54 Speaker_03
I'm not saying that there's not a real phenomenon going on that people are seeing that defies science and logic and might be a super intelligent creature from somewhere else or a super intelligent thing from somewhere else, if it's even biological at this point.

01:46:10 Speaker_03
It might be that all life eventually becomes digital life.

01:46:14 Speaker_03
All life eventually becomes some sort of artificial intelligence or at least connected to artificial intelligence that might be like the progression of biological life that eventually creates something way better than itself and that's what propagates the universe and if someone in this world has developed some sort of technology that's similar to what they use that's a Huge advantage.

01:46:37 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah, and I That's the thing that gets me about all this UAP talk.

01:46:43 Speaker_03
I'm like, if some other country had or if we had something that was just a game changer, something that didn't require any propulsion systems at all, it relied on gravity, and it bends space and time and can instantaneously traverse between one point in the sky and another.

01:47:02 Speaker_03
That kind of technology is nuts. And if that is in the hands of the United States government, it would make sense that it would like help them to like spread this UFO nonsense.

01:47:12 Speaker_06
Yeah. I mean, do you. You've dove into this more than anybody else I know. I mean, what what do you think this what do you think it all is?

01:47:21 Speaker_03
I think it's a bunch of things. I think there is a possibility, a very strong possibility, that there's life out there and that if I was life out there and I was much more advanced than us, I would definitely visit us.

01:47:35 Speaker_03
And there's also the fact that the sightings kicked up in a huge way after 1945, after the atomic bomb.

01:47:44 Speaker_03
After they did the Trinity experiment and after they dropped the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, all those nuclear tests that they did in the 50s and the 60s, that's exactly when the sightings start ramping up.

01:47:57 Speaker_03
And if I was an intelligent life force,

01:48:00 Speaker_03
from another planet I would go all these crazy monkeys have nukes and then we'd have to you know you'd have to think okay do we intervene well let's if they blow themselves up it will take so long for that planet to get back to a point where it has intelligent life again

01:48:18 Speaker_03
If they kill every person on this planet and we're back to shrews and mice and fucking a couple of monkeys in the jungle, how long before you can get a city again? How long before you can get a cell phone again?

01:48:29 Speaker_03
How many millions of years does it take? And if I was an intelligent life force that realized that this is an error that can be corrected, I would probably correct it. I'd probably put a stop to the nukes.

01:48:39 Speaker_03
I'd probably make a show of force, hover over military bases, shut down all of their electronics, just to let them know. Yeah. I would probably do that. But, you know, how much do they actually intervene? How many of them are there?

01:48:56 Speaker_03
Are there different ones?

01:48:57 Speaker_03
I mean, if there's one that comes here, who's to say there's not a shit ton of different kinds, some of them malevolent, some of them that only want us for our biology, some of them that are just doing tests on us, some of them that are, you know, kidnapping people and erasing their memories and putting them back in the woods.

01:49:16 Speaker_03
Those stories are too common. There's too many stories that are real fucking similar. Like the Travis Walton story, have you heard that one? What's that one? It's a guy that was a logger in the 1970s. It was in, was it Oregon?

01:49:30 Speaker_05
Oh, did they make a movie about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Fire in the Sky.

01:49:33 Speaker_06
I've seen it, yeah, I've seen it. Crazy story. Kind of like that, do you know who is that, Chris Bledsoe?

01:49:39 Speaker_08
No.

01:49:40 Speaker_06
Have you heard of him? What's that one? Chris Bledsoe, he's a guy that had an experience as well. You've not heard of Chris Bledsoe? Maybe, I haven't, or forgot. It's possible. Yeah, it's kind of the same thing.

01:49:53 Speaker_06
His memory's kind of gone, and that's what it sounds like.

01:49:57 Speaker_03
They all have a very similar story. They get medical examinations. And there's girls that were pregnant and, you know, like newly pregnant and got abducted and all of a sudden they weren't pregnant anymore and they couldn't figure out what happened.

01:50:09 Speaker_03
Wow, I didn't know that. There's quite a few of those. John Mack had this book, John Mack was a psychologist who was at Harvard, who wrote this book, I think it's called Abduction.

01:50:21 Speaker_03
And it's all like him interviewing people that have had these kind of experiences happen to them. And this is, this book was in the 1990s. Right. So there was a

01:50:32 Speaker_03
you know, I don't think these people got to share stories where they could come up with the same story organically.

01:50:39 Speaker_03
Like today, you've heard so many stories online about UFO abductions or crash retrieval or something that you could formulate in your own mind a dream that seemed like these things that you had heard over and over and over again.

01:50:55 Speaker_03
But when you go back to like Betty and Barney Hill, which were one of the first people that ever got abducted by aliens,

01:51:02 Speaker_03
They have the same sort of story as all these different people that didn't know anything about the phenomenon, didn't know anything about UFO abductions, and then all of a sudden had one event in their life that freaked them out for the rest of their life.

01:51:16 Speaker_03
And they take them through hypnotic progression. These people should hear the recordings of Betty and Barney Hill. They're like yelling and screaming. They're freaking out. No one thought about being abducted by aliens in the 1950s or whenever that was.

01:51:28 Speaker_07
Yeah.

01:51:29 Speaker_03
but these people have this wild fucking story that's super similar to all these different stories that John Mack talks about and Maybe there's different kinds of aliens maybe there's aliens that are just like our scientists that just come down here and study and report on like the state of the biological entity known as the human beings and

01:51:49 Speaker_03
visit and return and maybe they monitor us and watch us and make sure that we don't do anything really fucking stupid like give us enough room do we figure it out on our own but don't don't intervene unless they're about to nuke themselves interesting that's best-case scenario

01:52:08 Speaker_06
Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what all this is, man. I just, you know, I, I try to dive into it on the podcast and and have talked to, you know, handful of guys and

01:52:22 Speaker_03
I don't know, man. Some people are 100, like Billy Carson's all in. I found out about him on your show too. Oh, really? Yeah, I'd seen a couple of clips of him, but I'd never seen a long form interview of him until your show. That was a great episode.

01:52:34 Speaker_03
He's fun. He was on my friend Andrew Schultz's podcast, and Andrew was like, we're not going to check nothing. We're just going to let him go. No fact checks. Let's just have fun and see.

01:52:45 Speaker_03
But when he starts talking about those ancient tablets, he's an expert in the deciphering of all those ancient tablets, and he's got a lot of information on that. Those things are fascinating, because it's all the same stories even back then.

01:52:57 Speaker_03
These flying ships, and all these different depictions of things that came from the sky, and these giants, and the Anunnaki, and all these different things that came from some other place that had interaction with human beings.

01:53:10 Speaker_06
Yeah, he kind of mixes it with biblical stuff. That's kind of, I don't know, that's what I lean towards with all this stuff, to be honest with you, is maybe, I think there's some consciousness aspect, I think there's, I think it is the afterlife.

01:53:33 Speaker_03
It's possible, that's for sure. It's possible that whatever these things are that come here, they're from some sort of another dimension and that we just don't have the ability to interact with that.

01:53:44 Speaker_03
We're limited in our capacity as a biological entity to interact with these dimensions that are real. But we just can't access them. We can't get to it. We don't have the frequency. We don't have what it is.

01:53:56 Speaker_03
But in some cases, under duress, under some situations, in some, you know, just like a person can be hypnotized, just like a person can go into a trance, I think there's a way every now and then that people can kind of access these realms.

01:54:12 Speaker_03
And I think that's probably what some of these entities are. I think people are probably having real experiences with something that probably is real, but that normally you cannot interact with. Yeah, yeah.

01:54:25 Speaker_06
Have you ever looked into, because I think I kind of group all this stuff in together, but have you looked into the remote viewing stuff?

01:54:34 Speaker_03
Yeah, I have. Yeah.

01:54:35 Speaker_06
Dude.

01:54:36 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:54:36 Speaker_06
That stuff.

01:54:37 Speaker_03
Pretty nuts.

01:54:38 Speaker_06
Yeah.

01:54:39 Speaker_03
I had a remote. I did this show called Joe Rogan questions everything. And we had remote viewers on. We tried to get them to do things. They couldn't really. It wasn't really effective. But I'm also like, OK, this is an unnatural environment.

01:54:51 Speaker_03
It's a television show. It's like weird pressure that, you know, skeptical people that are like looking at this. And I don't know if they're the real. I think it's probably a skill that can be developed. but I don't know how consistent it is.

01:55:11 Speaker_03
It's like, I don't believe in psychics, but I do believe that sometimes you just know things. And sometimes you get a premonition.

01:55:20 Speaker_03
And I think the connection that people have with each other is not as simple as like, you call your friend up, hey, I haven't talked to you in forever. I think we're connected somehow, quantumly. I think we're all connected in some sort of a weird,

01:55:34 Speaker_03
Undiscovered way and that's why like you're thinking about someone and they call you sometimes, you know, people say oh, that's just a coincidence, man I don't know about all that because sometimes it's someone I haven't talked to for a fucking year Yeah, and you'll be having a conversation with a buddy and you just start thinking about that guy and then also in your phone rings It happens all the time.

01:55:52 Speaker_06
That's weird. That's I I I mean what they say we use 10% of our brain.

01:55:58 Speaker_03
That's not real. You know, I don't think that's real. You don't know what that was.

01:56:03 Speaker_03
They didn't really understand when they were saying that they didn't really understand what the brain does and what parts of the brain do and they thought that like we're only using 10%. No, it's like different parts of the brain.

01:56:12 Speaker_03
Have very different functions and under different circumstances different parts of the brain are activated I think just we have a limited understanding of the actual function of the brain like the whole thing and how it's how it's how it's making chemicals and making psychedelic compounds and and hormones and epinephrine and norepinephrine and all this different

01:56:36 Speaker_03
dopamine and serotonin and how it Regulates your system and changes the way you interact with the world.

01:56:42 Speaker_03
It's all weird stuff, man I don't think they completely have and like they can't recreate a human brain, you know, yeah You know some of this have you heard of Joe McMonagle?

01:56:56 Speaker_06
No, dude You have to talk to him. Who's he? He is remote viewer number one for the US. But he's not like kooky or anything like that at all. Really? No. How do you not be kooky and you're a remote viewer? Dude, you just have a conversation with him.

01:57:17 Speaker_06
He's there. Okay. No weird vibes, not from my end anyways. But the way he, you know, I asked him, I'm like, well, how do you, like, how does it, how did it happen? Do you think, does everybody have this?

01:57:32 Speaker_06
Or, you know, I was just pinging him with questions. And he said, he thinks we all have had it since the beginning. And that, I mean, he was basically saying, if you look at how animals communicate, they kind of communicate telepathically.

01:57:48 Speaker_06
And he was talking about, you know, caveman times. You know, he used to point at shit and grunt and nod heads and look at things, and everybody would know what you're thinking about.

01:58:00 Speaker_06
And he goes, and then we started traveling in groups, and then language was kind of born.

01:58:08 Speaker_06
And he goes, language actually slowed down our initial form of communication, which was, you know, it wasn't maybe as descriptive, but it was just as deliberate as speaking a language.

01:58:25 Speaker_06
And then you introduce technology, and basically what he was kind of saying is, you know, that our brains have been kind of dubbed down from, you know, thousands and thousands of years of

01:58:36 Speaker_06
technology coming out and Language and all these other things and I don't lose the ability to exactly we we don't I mean you hear it all the time You don't use it you lose it, you know, and so basically what he's saying is we're losing our instincts I mean that and that makes sense if you don't use it I mean isn't that what the appendix is in the isn't the appendix an organ that we no longer need anymore because we cook food and

01:59:01 Speaker_06
Yeah, I don't know.

01:59:02 Speaker_03
What is the the the reason why the appendix is going away?

01:59:05 Speaker_03
I think that's what it is I think it's a change in diet over time has made it unnecessary So it's like slowly being phased out of the human anatomy and that's why it ruptures sometimes But I don't think it has a real function anymore What it used to have?

01:59:23 Speaker_03
The appendix kind of helping us in two ways both with the gut it helps fight off invading pathogens that's one thing that is true when they take out your appendix like your Immune system is not as good but also to repopulate the gut with this beneficial bacteria after after gastrointestinal issues, so what is how did the appendix form and why is the appendix like it's there's a thing that was

01:59:46 Speaker_03
speculated about what the origin of the appendix is and why we don't use it the same way we used to. Why do humans have an appendix, worm-shaped? Modern researchers believe the appendix has many key fun- Okay. Okay, here it is. Go to the top.

02:00:01 Speaker_03
Worm-shaped tube attached to the large intestine of the human body. It's an organ that is credited with very little significance and often removed indiscriminately to avoid complications due to infection.

02:00:11 Speaker_03
However, modern researchers believe the appendix has many key functions in the human body, and it protects the body's internal environment from infection. What is the original origin of the appendix, though? That was the thing that I had read.

02:00:22 Speaker_03
I think it was something about processing fiber. Vestigial, okay. Support the theory that the appendix of vestigial origin that was once used by our herbivorous ancestors. This is it.

02:00:36 Speaker_03
It was found that in herbivorous vertebrates, the appendix is comparatively larger and it helped in the digestion of tough herbivorous foods such as bark of a tree. So the thing is like we're changing, right? We don't eat like that anymore.

02:00:53 Speaker_03
So it's changing and it's it's it's function changes It makes sense that if we don't use the mind the same way our ancestors did before language we would probably lose this connection that animals do seem to have with each other and

02:01:06 Speaker_06
Yeah, I mean, you know, there's all kinds of, I mean, if you've heard of people, if you've heard of people kind of, how do I describe this? Me and my wife were just having this conversation the other day.

02:01:19 Speaker_06
If you heard of people that kind of, they start preparing for their death, but they're not realizing they're preparing for their death. Yeah, I have heard of that.

02:01:28 Speaker_06
It's like an intuition that they're unaware that they're going to die, and so they start preparing everything for their departure, and not even realizing that they're gonna pass.

02:01:42 Speaker_03
Yeah, I have heard about that.

02:01:43 Speaker_06
I mean, I think that's just another example of... I think that we have... lost a lot of intuitions and we don't really know how to go back and exercise them. That's kind of what I think.

02:02:02 Speaker_03
I think it makes sense. I think technology certainly distracts human beings from human interactions, and kids today are growing up more socially unbalanced, and their progress is retarded. There's something about the use of technology

02:02:22 Speaker_03
That is certainly it's limiting kids abilities to interact with each other person to person Yeah, and over time that's probably going to be the norm, you know, and if you wanted to think about the rise of spectrum disorders and Lack of emotional connectivity and empathy that people have that that seem to have those especially like on the far ends of the spectrum and then

02:02:48 Speaker_03
accentuate that with like added technology, constant technology, each technology is more and more invasive. The population of people that have these problems, it's like, it's almost like we're moving towards becoming a different kind of person.

02:03:00 Speaker_06
Yep, you know my, this person that works for me turned me on to this podcast the other day and it was talking about how, this is unverified, but it was still a fascinating conversation.

02:03:14 Speaker_06
They were talking about how in, I can't remember the amount of years, but humans will begin to lose their peripheral vision because they're looking at a phone so much. that were evolving, I guess you could, I don't know if I would call that evolving.

02:03:32 Speaker_06
Devolving. Yeah, devolving. Wow.

02:03:36 Speaker_03
That makes sense.

02:03:36 Speaker_06
It does, right?

02:03:37 Speaker_03
Totally makes sense.

02:03:38 Speaker_06
I mean, it's like, shit, go anywhere. That's what everybody's doing.

02:03:42 Speaker_03
Narrow band of focus, right? If you look at most people's phone usage, what's the average person's phone usage? I bet screen time's like four hours average. I'll bet it's more than that. Okay, but let's say it's just four.

02:03:56 Speaker_06
Yeah.

02:03:56 Speaker_03
That's a giant chunk of your day.

02:03:58 Speaker_06
Yeah, that's, I mean, if you're up for 12 hours, it's 25% of the day.

02:04:01 Speaker_03
So if 25% of the day you're just looking like this, that's got to have an ultimate effect on your vision. Damn. Especially over time, and especially if this becomes like completely normal for a thousand years.

02:04:14 Speaker_06
Yeah, yeah, it wasn't a thousand years man. It was like I mean I It was way it was a lifetime.

02:04:22 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah, just make sense that would happen, but we're an adaptive organism We adapt, you know weirdly it's it's uh This stuff all just scares the hell out of me.

02:04:35 Speaker_06
I mean, I think I psychedelics plays a role in all this, you know, in accessing, you know, other information.

02:04:45 Speaker_03
Yeah, I think so too. I think it's a giant crime that stuff that stuff's illegal. It's limited. And it's limited into like, you know, right now they're doing some research on it.

02:04:54 Speaker_03
And, you know, the FDA was gonna approve MDMA therapy for benefits for veterans rather, dealing with PTSD, and they they stopped it. And they they decided more tests need to be done.

02:05:07 Speaker_03
Meanwhile, you're seeing like real results from people life changing results. And there's a lot of people out there that need help. And there should be doing something and it's not hurting anybody.

02:05:15 Speaker_06
Dude, do you want to hear the best story I've ever heard from that? Sure. So I got one of my best friends, former Green Beret, worked with him at the agency for a long time. He was blown up, survived like the worst fucking car bomb I've ever seen.

02:05:33 Speaker_06
Like got up, walked away, dude's head's like right next to the car.

02:05:37 Speaker_06
then gets out, I don't want to mention his name because I'm going to bring up some symptoms, but then he got fucking shot in the head by a .38 special round in the middle of the road and survived it.

02:05:53 Speaker_06
And I've stayed with him through this whole process. Anyways, couldn't walk without a cane. Was bedridden five, six days out of every week. Hadn't had sex with his wife in over two fucking years.

02:06:09 Speaker_06
Couldn't go outside without sunglasses on because of the light sensitivity. And I'd been telling him, hey, dude, you have to go down and do this Ibogaine thing. Nothing else is working. I think this shit's gonna change.

02:06:27 Speaker_06
I wasn't even aware of all this stuff. I knew about the bedridden stuff. But he was hiding it a lot, hiding a lot of that shit from me, and his wife got and called me.

02:06:37 Speaker_06
And so I got him piped in to this program, went down, did Ibogaine, and did 5-MeO, left his fucking cane there, went home, banged his wife, doesn't need the sunglasses anymore, and is not bedridden.

02:06:58 Speaker_06
And that was about six months ago, and I just talked to him the other day. He's still, like, good to go.

02:07:05 Speaker_03
That's wild.

02:07:06 Speaker_06
And, dude, this shit happened, like... When did he... I bet it was four years. Four years of, like, living through that shit. I mean, crack skull... One Ibogaine treatment. One Ibogaine treatment, done.

02:07:19 Speaker_06
I was like, do you think you'll go back and see if more benefits show up? And he was like, nah, I'm not gonna do it. But he's like, not unless I start to slip, but he's like, I'm good, I'm at peace, I feel fucking great.

02:07:35 Speaker_03
That's incredible. Imagine if there was a drug that could do that. There is but imagine if there was a drug that the pharmaceutical drug companies could sell that yeah do that Yeah, there would be treatment centers everywhere.

02:07:46 Speaker_03
Yeah, are you suffering from PTSD?

02:07:48 Speaker_03
We can cure you Yeah here at ibogenesis and then you go into that place and you get hooked up It'll be just like fucking these GLP ones that they're trying to get people to lose weight to be everywhere Yeah, everybody would everyone has stress.

02:08:00 Speaker_03
Everyone has trauma. Come on in.

02:08:02 Speaker_06
Yep, and they just be selling it yeah, you know and I Mean even mine like I haven't I've been drinking Almost three years now. Really? Yeah, I just I Went down and did that Ibogaine experience and Like it was just like have you done Ibogaine?

02:08:23 Speaker_06
No Why not?

02:08:25 Speaker_03
What was good about it? Tell me what was like Well for me very effective for people with addiction. I

02:08:31 Speaker_06
Yeah. Well, there it is right there, right? I drank it almost three years. But I mean, it was like, do you want like the whole experience? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I went down to Mexico and I just kept having these guys come on my show.

02:08:50 Speaker_06
And the first one was Eddie Gallagher. He was talking about psychedelics and I was like, oh no, that shit's for hippies, I'm not fucking with that.

02:09:02 Speaker_06
And then, you know, the one that really got me was, I had this guy on, his name, DJ Shipley, and he like- I saw that one.

02:09:12 Speaker_03
You saw that one?

02:09:13 Speaker_06
Yeah, it's great. Dude, DJ's a fucking beast, bro. Yeah, I follow that guy on Instagram now.

02:09:17 Speaker_03
Holy shit.

02:09:18 Speaker_06
Like, takes Navy Seal to a whole different, level, but anyways, but yeah, he like one out of his way after the after we record and he was like, hey, dude, like, you should really fucking think about going down there.

02:09:32 Speaker_06
And I was like, Alright, well, you know, I've done all the I've done like a ton of research. I've talked to a bunch of guys about it. I understand like how it works now. And so Fuck it.

02:09:44 Speaker_06
I'll go and so I went down there cuz I just wanted to be more in the moment with my with my family.

02:09:51 Speaker_06
I got two little kids now and and so I went down there and that was like I Felt like I was kind of like through the PTSD type stuff and and maybe not but but I would I just wanted to get rid of anxiety and be in the moment with my family and done it at it up and

02:10:11 Speaker_06
And so I went down and did the Ibogaine thing, and we took these pills, and I didn't get a lot of visuals, but the first visual I got was I was just sittin' there lookin' in this mirror, shakin' this fuckin' maraca, and my head's, I was like, all right, this shit is not working.

02:10:34 Speaker_06
Well, then my head, it split open like a,

02:10:40 Speaker_03
In the mirror?

02:10:41 Speaker_06
Yeah, dude. It was like, I watched my head, like, peel like a fuckin' banana. Like, it was just like, whoosh. And then, and then another head, like, just blossomed out of it. Whoa. Yeah, it was really odd.

02:11:02 Speaker_06
And then I was like, all right, it's definitely fuckin' kickin' in, so I'm gonna, so I'm gonna, I'm going to lay back. And it was kind of, to me, like the whole experience maybe, I guess I just lost total concept of time.

02:11:21 Speaker_06
It didn't feel, it was like 12 hours, but it didn't feel like 12 hours, but it didn't really feel like five minutes either. But I got like this life review kind of thing and just had these TV screens. It looked like all black.

02:11:38 Speaker_06
like you're in space or something, and then these two lines of TV screens that were going in my peripheral vision, and what was playing in those TV screens was, and it was moving at kind of a slow pace, and so I could see what was going on in the TV screens through my peripheral, but if I tried to concentrate on any one particular thing, then they would all just disappear until I stopped trying to,

02:12:07 Speaker_06
like concentrate on one thing and then they'd all appear again and I could like look at it through my peripheral and I'd I'd be like oh you know that was uh that was in Baghdad that's when I was five years old and my dad was like yelling at me and that was this and it was like but it wasn't like I wasn't like reliving um traumatic events they were it was just like

02:12:34 Speaker_06
passing me by. Like a recording? Yeah.

02:12:36 Speaker_03
Like an old VHS tape?

02:12:38 Speaker_06
Yeah.

02:12:39 Speaker_06
And so I just let them like pass and then I went into some other stage which I don't really understand but it was a bunch of like these walls of stuffed animals and I was kind of like going through this maze and then like the last thing I talked about before I

02:12:57 Speaker_06
before I did the experience was China. So then I had like this horrible, this horrible thing about the Chinese invasion. But what came out of that, like, it's like, oh, well, that doesn't sound very good.

02:13:11 Speaker_06
Well, yeah, what came out of that, I lost 11 pounds in literally one week. It's a week-long type of experience. I lost 11 fucking pounds. It's also a heavy metals detoxer, by the way, so that's probably,

02:13:26 Speaker_06
Probably had some heavy metals blocking me up or something. But the whites of my eyes cleared up. And it wasn't just me, I journaled all this shit down. And then I didn't tell my wife any of this stuff.

02:13:44 Speaker_06
And I came home and she's like, uh, your eyes look like a lot lighter. Like the whites look a lot lighter, whiter. And in my brown eyes looked like they had lightened up. Huh.

02:13:59 Speaker_06
Yeah, and then it was also like I had realized everything that I was ingesting that was poison.

02:14:07 Speaker_06
It was like this, going back to intuition, it was like this intuition of, like I just, I was like, you know, I didn't come, I didn't go down there to quit drinking. You know, I just, it just fucking happened, man.

02:14:22 Speaker_06
Like I was just like, I don't think I'm gonna drink anymore. And so I haven't had a drink in, Like I said, just under three years. Do you think you had a drinking problem? Oh, fuck yeah, man. I had a drinking problem. Big drinking problem.

02:14:37 Speaker_06
But you didn't think it at the time? Well, my drinking problem had digressed quite a bit. So I mean, I used to. I used to. drink close to two-fifths of vodka a day. Whoa. Yeah.

02:14:56 Speaker_06
And, um, but, you know, then that was coming out of the age and said, I didn't have anything to do really. And, and, uh, you know, I was processing a lot of kind of what had happened over the past 14 years.

02:15:10 Speaker_06
I didn't have any friends, was severely depressed, whatever, man, uh, love to party. Um, you know, and that just, it was wake up, drink many bottles of vodka all day long, and then at night, you know, I'd crack a fifth.

02:15:27 Speaker_06
But by the time I went there, it was like probably two bottles of wine instead of two bottles of vodka a night. Still, holy shit. That's a lot of wine. Well, I mean, that's, yeah, it is. But anyways, came back and I just didn't want the wine anymore.

02:15:51 Speaker_06
I used to take Adderall. Addicted to that. Didn't need that. Didn't need the Ambien anymore. Didn't need anything. Cold turkey. Cold turkey, man. Weed. Quit weed for about six months. And then, yeah, then I went back.

02:16:13 Speaker_06
And even sugar, man, I quit sugar for about six months. And it was, you know, the funny thing is, man, like it was zero effort. It wasn't like, I'm not fucking drinking and I'm not gonna do sugar and I'm not gonna smoke weed and no more Adderall.

02:16:28 Speaker_06
I just didn't want it. And there was no, There was just no urge. There was no addiction left. It was gone.

02:16:37 Speaker_03
Wow. You know, and that's the thing they say about Ibogaine that it uniquely rewires your brain. Yeah. And there's some sort of a scientific understanding of how it works. But the fact that it's illegal in this country is bananas.

02:16:50 Speaker_07
Yeah.

02:16:51 Speaker_03
I mean, how many people are suffering through opioid addiction? It's an enormous number.

02:16:56 Speaker_03
And if there was a thing that we are aware of that could help all of our citizens that are struggling right now, listening to this as people are struggling, and there's a thing, and it's illegal in this country.

02:17:10 Speaker_03
As far as I know, I don't think people are dying from Ibogaine. You know, Ibogaine was, it was very funny that Hunter chose this, but Hunter S. Thompson used that during, was it the McGovern, the McGovern elections? It was like 72, whatever it was.

02:17:29 Speaker_03
And when he wrote Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail. So he created a rumor that Ed Muskie, who was one of the candidates, had a severe Ibogaine addiction, and that Brazilian scientists were coming to visit him and give him this treatment.

02:17:43 Speaker_03
And it became such a rumor, and it spread so far, that it started affecting him. And he was giving campaign speeches, and he was denying it, and he was all sweating, and he looked like a maniac. And Hunter essentially derailed this guy's campaign.

02:17:59 Speaker_03
by saying that he was addicted to Ibogaine of all things.

02:18:03 Speaker_06
I think Ibogaine would be impossible to be addicted to.

02:18:05 Speaker_03
See if you can find Hunter on the Dick Cavett Show where he admits that he started the rumor. It's very funny. Wow. I fucking love that dude. God, I wish I met him. Yeah, me too. He was a fucking maniac. That would have been wild.

02:18:17 Speaker_03
But the fact that he used Ibogaine was really funny and ironic because that's the thing that gets you to quit addictions.

02:18:23 Speaker_06
Yeah. I mean, it's not a fun experience, man.

02:18:30 Speaker_00
I never said he was. I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was. Which was true, and I started the rumor in Milwaukee.

02:18:42 Speaker_03
That guy he fucked everybody up because he would do actual journalism mixed in with fiction and You know and called it gonzo journalism.

02:18:50 Speaker_03
He essentially started a new kind of journalism it's like you you there was a an understanding that some of this was not real and you had to kind of like figure out what was real what wasn't real and he was just gonna do it his way and

02:19:02 Speaker_06
He was a cool dude, man. He was a cool dude. That would have been a hell of an interview. Oh my God, yeah.

02:19:08 Speaker_03
But the fact that he chose Ibogaine is kind of funny.

02:19:11 Speaker_06
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because they say it's like the one that you would- You can get addicted to. Honestly, I don't think I could get addicted to any of them.

02:19:21 Speaker_03
Yeah, I don't think so either. I've heard of people that get addicted to certain psychedelics, but I think there's people that do psychedelics to learn more about themselves, and I think there's people that do it to escape.

02:19:32 Speaker_03
And I think they escape reality with it, and then they get used to escaping. And then they choose that as their reality, and they do it way too much. I think there's abuse with everything. I think you can certainly abuse at least some psychedelics.

02:19:45 Speaker_03
But the benefits of them far outweigh the negatives. And there's a lot of people that are hurting in this country, and they should have access to all the different things that could help them.

02:19:55 Speaker_03
And the fact that you have to go to Mexico to do that, it's ridiculous, man.

02:19:59 Speaker_06
I mean, it's fucking working. Yeah, I mean it's working and And it's it's it's just like why the what why why why why can't you? like let us I'm speaking

02:20:17 Speaker_06
know for the veteran population right now but like why just why can't you just let us fucking get better right like everybody knows the 22 a day you know which is actually like 40 something a day uh veterans that are killing themselves and this shit is a fucking game changer

02:20:35 Speaker_06
And but I don't think big pharma is gonna allow it.

02:20:38 Speaker_03
I just I think that's what the holdup is Well, maybe that's something that RFK jr. Can help.

02:20:43 Speaker_03
Yeah, if they get in an office, you know if they get an office I mean, but when you hear about the five kill teams and you hear about all this different shit that's going on I mean October Hasn't even started yet.

02:20:56 Speaker_03
You got a full month of October and who knows what the fuck can happen.

02:20:59 Speaker_03
Yeah up and leading up to the elections Yeah, I don't think they're gonna let up whoever they are and in not only that but it is, you know, forget about the Organization like to forget about like that.

02:21:13 Speaker_03
There are people out there probably like Iran and maybe state actors or who knows that's trying to kill Trump

02:21:19 Speaker_03
What about the fucking general kooks that have been buying all this rhetoric every day that he's a threat to democracy and they think that this is the one thing that can give them meaning in their life?

02:21:29 Speaker_03
The one great act that they can accomplish to go out and kill Trump?

02:21:35 Speaker_06
I mean, it's... I don't know, man. I mean, it's... there's just... There's so much that goes into this, like that first shooter, right? What was he, 20 years old? Yeah. You know, 20 years old.

02:21:51 Speaker_06
Then you got, you know, Trump's basically been in the media for, what, about eight years. You'd think he showed up, what, about a year before the 2016 election, right? Kind of went in. So we're going on, what, eight years now of the media just

02:22:08 Speaker_06
Slamming him over and over. He's a threat to democracy. This is gonna ruin the country, you know So if you take that 20 year old, I mean a so he's since he was 12 years old That's all he's heard. Yeah, 12 fucking years old.

02:22:23 Speaker_03
That's all he's heard and little kids have no ability to discern. I

02:22:27 Speaker_06
So, is it a very well orchestrated act to kill him or is it media manipulation that nobody really thought too far into this and now it's all, now we're seeing the consequences, you know, of what that kind of

02:22:50 Speaker_06
Pushing an agenda like that will do it's probably both things.

02:22:53 Speaker_03
You know it's probably both things.

02:22:54 Speaker_03
It's probably all the above and The fact that 24% of Americans think or polled Mary obviously polled because those are the dumbest motherfuckers of all time anyway people that answer polls You always have to think of that you know like 99% of people don't answer polls so out of that 1% 24% of those retards are

02:23:14 Speaker_03
are dumb enough to think that it's a good idea to shoot Trump.

02:23:17 Speaker_07
Yeah.

02:23:18 Speaker_03
And that the American people shouldn't be able to decide on their own. That's what's really crazy. They think they're right and you're wrong. And no matter what, they have to stop you from getting your vote.

02:23:28 Speaker_03
They have to stop you from voting in the direction that you are thinking you are going to vote for. It's just a scary time. Scary time for the Republic. It really is. Yes it is. Like weirdly scary.

02:23:42 Speaker_03
And also like weirdly chaotic in the sense that this is all happening at the same time as the rise of podcasts and social media. and new ways to get information. So more people are aware of how fucked we are now than, like, during the Vietnam War.

02:23:58 Speaker_03
Like, people were against the Vietnam War, and, you know, they're against fighting the troops in the Vietnam War, but they didn't really know what was going on. They didn't have, like, full access to it like we have now. Yeah, yeah.

02:24:13 Speaker_06
I don't know where this ends, man. I mean, part of me thinks, you know, it's just... It's... Part of me thinks we're just gonna... end in a some type of a civil war. That's terrifying.

02:24:25 Speaker_03
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that seems like it seems like it's definitely being pushed in that direction.

02:24:31 Speaker_06
I mean, I think it's I think we're all kind of already there. It's just it's going to look a lot. It's a cold war. You know. Yeah. Yeah. You see these states banding together.

02:24:39 Speaker_08
Mm hmm.

02:24:40 Speaker_06
You know, you see blue states banding together, you see bright states banding together, you see, you know, a lot of governors aligning, sending National Guard down here to Texas, you know, to try to secure the border. You got, you know, these extreme

02:24:59 Speaker_06
Look, I don't whether whether you agree with me or not.

02:25:02 Speaker_06
They are they're extreme And so, you know like like the abortion stuff like you got states that are are making these like super harsh abortion laws like we're gonna hunt you down if you get one and throw your ass in prison and I think it I can't remember how many states now have passed constitutional carries like

02:25:25 Speaker_06
I can't remember. It's I think there's only like a state or two left that need constitutional carry. But I mean, I think the basically what I'm getting at is I think the lines are kind of like being

02:25:35 Speaker_06
drawn right now, or the alliances are kind of forming up. Like, hey, let's pass these super red laws, these super left law or blue laws, and it'll drive everybody out of the state that we want. Do you know what I'm getting at?

02:25:53 Speaker_03
Yeah, I do know what you're getting at.

02:25:54 Speaker_06
I think this is all kind of happening naturally.

02:26:00 Speaker_03
I don't know what the solution to any of this stuff is. I hope it's a greater understanding that we develop over time where we figure out how to communicate better and work together.

02:26:11 Speaker_03
And I think some of that can be facilitated through AI if it's done correctly, if it's like a real open source AI.

02:26:19 Speaker_03
where people can get a real better understanding of the actual mechanisms, instead of like, whatever beliefs you have, and why the system works the way it is, if you could just have it laid out, yeah, factually laid out, where there can be no shenanigans, you can't deny it.

02:26:33 Speaker_06
I mean, I think one way would just be having podcasters and journalists I mean, how the fuck would you do this?

02:26:43 Speaker_06
But, you know, one thing on, like, on my show, and I kind of went off the rails a little bit the last month, I got a little, probably, more political than I wanted. I was, I hate politics, man. Yeah, me too.

02:26:58 Speaker_06
I mean, it's just, it's the kind of, They come up all the time.

02:27:01 Speaker_00
It's the fate of the country.

02:27:01 Speaker_06
If you think I like them. Yeah, you know, every time I dive in, I feel like, I feel like I fucked a hooker on a rusty couch. Like, I don't think this shit's gonna wash off me now. You know what I'm talking about? I do, I do, I do.

02:27:23 Speaker_06
But anyways, where I was going is, you know, people have just lost the fucking ability to think for themselves. They can't critical think anymore.

02:27:32 Speaker_06
And, you know, so like one thing that I do on mine is if I bring somebody on that's, I'm like, don't say Trump 500 times on my show. Let's not say, like, fuck the left, fuck the right.

02:27:47 Speaker_06
Like, let's not say these fucking Democrats and these fucking Republicans. Like, just give me the policy, just give me the problem, just, like, let's just leave all that shit out.

02:27:59 Speaker_06
Because if you leave all that, all those adjectives out, then it forces people to go, Well shit, I don't really know. It forces them to formulate their own opinion because they don't know what their side thinks about that particular issue.

02:28:14 Speaker_06
Unless you're talking about abortion or something like that, but you know what I mean? If you leave that out of, if you can leave those adjectives out, then I think common sense will start to make a comeback because it won't be so tribal.

02:28:29 Speaker_06
It will be like, well,

02:28:31 Speaker_06
Actually, I don't really I don't I don't know where the party that I align with stands on this so I'm gonna have to formulate my own fucking opinion here and And that would do wonders We're definitely more people that are willing to do that too because some people just don't have the time or the interest To form their own opinions on things.

02:28:52 Speaker_03
Yeah, it's so much easier to just agree with whatever their side believes. Yeah, and How did you get started in doing a podcast? What was the motivation behind it?

02:29:02 Speaker_06
I used to teach weapons and tactics. I taught Keanu Reeves for John Wick 3. And then I got a lot of hate. I'll just put it that way. I got a lot of hate from the special operations community, from the two-way community.

02:29:25 Speaker_06
And I was like, you know what, man? It's a very egocentric community anyways. And so I was like, I'm fucking done with this shit. And so I just started, dude, I didn't know what to do.

02:29:40 Speaker_06
I was like doing camping stove reviews and I bought a bunch of fucking alpacas and put them in my front yard and I thought I was going to be a farmer. And yeah, and then, but you know what I did? I was like, I was like, dude,

02:29:54 Speaker_06
I'm so fucking tired of my guys killing themselves and going into depression and suicide attempts and I got sick of the same talking heads on TV kind of documenting what was going on over there.

02:30:12 Speaker_06
It was a bunch of people who had never even stepped foot in any of those war zones, documenting what happened over there. So I just started and I built like, I don't know, maybe 250,000 subs on YouTube from like, gun stuff.

02:30:30 Speaker_06
And so I started, I was like, I gotta, one, we gotta document the history.

02:30:36 Speaker_06
Two, there's a major fucking suicide epidemic happening, so let's talk about some guys that had attempted, I mean, I tried to kill myself, but let's get some guys that have really been through it, dug themselves out of it, and let's, so it's, we're documenting history the way it happened.

02:30:59 Speaker_06
We are talking about the the veteran crisis that's going on and how people got out of it. And then it also and then at the end of the every episode was, hey, let's like, let's talk about your business, you know, because it's stories would sell.

02:31:13 Speaker_06
So let's let's do the whole story and get everybody like super attached to you.

02:31:18 Speaker_06
Let's document the history, talk about your vulnerabilities, what it was like re-transitioning back into civilian life, how fucked up it was, how you ruined your family, how you tried to kill yourself, all that shit, how you came out of it, and then let's talk about your business.

02:31:33 Speaker_06
And so, I mean, these guys would come on and, you know, their business would like jet launch overnight, which I'm sure you, you know,

02:31:46 Speaker_06
But and that I just did I just like doing it I liked fucking helping people and I and and But I'll tell you Like I started it was awesome. I loved it. I still there's nothing else.

02:32:02 Speaker_06
I'd rather do I Started I started feeling a lot of resentment To my guests because they would come on my show and And then they would pass me up business-wise like that. And I was like, fuck, man.

02:32:20 Speaker_06
What the fuck do I have to do to make a business out of this shit? I'm great at jet-launching everybody else's shit, but I'm not making any fucking money here, and I got a family to support, and this isn't gonna work out.

02:32:33 Speaker_06
And then, I don't know what happened, man, but then something just switched. God just stepped in and was like, you're doing good shit. I'm going to bless you. And I just hit a turning point. And now I just talk to whoever I'm interested in.

02:32:57 Speaker_03
but but well you're doing a great show and I think that's all it takes I think you do a great show and then the beautiful thing about social media and YouTube and all these different things is that people could just share it like I've had a few people I think Billy Carson I think somebody sent me that one and you know it's just like someone would say hey you should check this out you know and just send you a text message that's such a massive advantage

02:33:21 Speaker_03
of YouTube and Spotify and a lot of these apps is that someone could just send you a show. Like you would really love the show, check it out. And then you just click it. And then all of a sudden it's playing.

02:33:31 Speaker_03
And I play it in my car, I can play it in the sauna, and I'm listening to this. And it's a complete new thing that's available anytime you want. You can pause it.

02:33:44 Speaker_03
No, I know it's you I know like I one of the things I like about your show is I can 100% tell This is just you talking to these guys. Like what did you do? I got okay explain that to me like it's just you and I

02:33:59 Speaker_03
In this world of talking heads, that has become a very refreshing alternative to a lot of people. And if you do a good show like yours, it just grows. It's just people will find it. People share it, and it just organically grows.

02:34:14 Speaker_06
Well, thank you for checking it out.

02:34:16 Speaker_03
Hey, my pleasure.

02:34:17 Speaker_06
My pleasure. Why did you start yours?

02:34:19 Speaker_03
I started just on a laptop.

02:34:23 Speaker_03
Answering questions like with a friend of mine my friend Brian who I started with we were just fucking around We thought it'd be fun to just do for fun You know, I always wanted to do a radio show, but I thought no one's ever gonna give me a radio show you know when I was When I was touring doing clubs back in the day where you would have to do morning radio I would like to do it I would like because I have these crazy things that I'm interested in crazy stories so I'd come in and do these morning radio shows and

02:34:50 Speaker_03
And I'd be like, wow, what a great job that would be. Morning radio game? Yeah, I'd fuck up and swear that wouldn't work. And then the rise of podcasts happened. And, you know, Adam Carolla had one and, you know, there's a bunch of other ones.

02:35:04 Speaker_03
And then Opie and Anthony, Anthony Cumia from Opie and Anthony started doing his own show called Live from the Compound. where he's doing like karaoke holding a machine gun and he's out of his fucking mind.

02:35:14 Speaker_03
He built a television studio in his basement and I was like fuck he can do that and do that online like I need to start doing something. So we started out just doing this little. Oh and also the Tom Green show.

02:35:27 Speaker_03
Tom Green had his own like Internet talk show. And I was a guest on it, long before my podcast. I was like, you just gotta figure out how to make money out of this. You could see the seeds of my podcast being planted while I was on his show.

02:35:42 Speaker_03
I was like, this is amazing. No executives, no one talking to you. And then I actually even was in talks with the company that was doing it with him to do my own thing with them. But I just decided to do it on my own.

02:35:52 Speaker_03
I'm like, I don't wanna do nothing with nobody. I wanted it to just be 100% me, just fucking around. And in the beginning, all my friends were like, what the fuck are you doing? Like, why are you wasting your time?

02:36:03 Speaker_03
They'd come over my house and my kids were really young at the time. So like in the early days, like you would hear, we were in one of my spare bedrooms with a desk set up and you'd hear, mommy, she took my thing.

02:36:16 Speaker_03
The kids are arguing with each other So it was you know from that move into like a little studio we rented a little office space somewhere and and then moved into a warehouse and got a real studio and then started having security there and then started I well I should have a fucking gym here let's put a gym in and started you know bringing guys to train with and and then The it just got big

02:36:43 Speaker_03
All organic. I never did ads for it. I never did put a billboard up. I never went on other people's podcasts and said, please watch my podcast. Never did any of that. Never promoted it. It just grew. That's awesome. All the same reason why yours is growing.

02:36:59 Speaker_03
It's just I talk to whoever I want to talk to. Yeah. You know, I watched your show a bunch of times, reached out to you on Instagram. What's up?

02:37:06 Speaker_03
Yeah Yeah, but the way you do it and the way I do it is I think that's why it's interesting because I can tell like when you're talking to that guy that was talking about the Direct energy weapons in Antarctica all that crazy shit Like you wanted to hear what the guy had to say.

02:37:22 Speaker_03
Yeah, like, you know, this is why he was on there You know This isn't like some producer has told you the list of guests are you gonna have for the week? And you're not really interested in and you got to interview some fucking kid in a boy band

02:37:34 Speaker_06
You know, I can't do it. Yeah, I can't do it. I'd like there's no reason to do it. Yeah, you know when I when I started I was We started in the attic. It was me and my wife. We had these shit cameras.

02:37:46 Speaker_06
It had like 30-minute timer So I was Mike Glover was my first Guest and so my wife was like running back and forth resetting these 30-minute fucking timer cameras and I'm trying to run the sound and listen to what the hell Mike's in and I'm like I

02:38:02 Speaker_06
This is fucking awesome.

02:38:03 Speaker_03
We're going to do this for a long time. What year did you start?

02:38:07 Speaker_06
I started, first one got pumped out Christmas of 2019. Wow.

02:38:11 Speaker_03
Yeah. Well, that's also a great example because a lot of people want to say that the podcast market is too saturated now. Like, I've heard people say that, ah, it's too hard to make it in the podcast market. I'm like, I don't believe that.

02:38:24 Speaker_03
I don't believe that. I think if you've got a good show, it's going to rise. Same here. And that's you.

02:38:28 Speaker_06
Thank you. Thank you. Well, I studied the hell out of your show when I was doing it. And, you know, I wanted to, I just wanted to make it different. I didn't want to copy the red curtain and, you know what I mean? You made it yours.

02:38:46 Speaker_03
Yeah, you really did. And that's the great thing about this.

02:38:50 Speaker_03
And we need more voices like yours out there, more different people that are doing the same kind of thing, following their own interests, talking to people honestly, having these long-term, long-form podcasts.

02:39:02 Speaker_03
Like the one with the guy studying the UFOs, I think that's like four and a half hours long, right?

02:39:07 Speaker_05
Which one?

02:39:09 Speaker_03
What's his name? John Alexander?

02:39:10 Speaker_06
Yeah. I did one that was like nine hours.

02:39:14 Speaker_03
Yeah, John Alexander, this one is, how long is this one? Let me check. What does it say? Resume. Six hours, yeah. Yeah, it's six hours in a couple of minutes of you talking to this guy about paranormal programs in the government.

02:39:35 Speaker_06
I don't want to let him go.

02:39:36 Speaker_03
No, it was amazing. It's crazy stuff, man. Thank you. Listen, Sean, it was great to meet you. I really appreciate you. I appreciate what you're doing. I appreciate how you do it. It's good to become friends.

02:39:49 Speaker_06
Hey, thank you for having me, Joe.

02:39:50 Speaker_03
My pleasure. It's good to be here. All right. Bye, everybody. Oh, watch the show. The Sean Ryan Show. It's on everything, right? Yep. All right. Cheers. All right. Bye, everybody.