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Episode: #2200 - Kat Timpf

Author: Joe Rogan
Duration: 02:58:11

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Kat Timpf is an author, comedian, and political commentator. She’s currently the co-host of "Gutfeld!" on Fox News and is a Fox News analyst. Her latest book is "I Used to Like You Until... (How Binary Thinking Divides Us)." Look for it on September 10.

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The Joe Rogan experience.

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Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

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What's up?

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Nice to meet you.

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Great to meet you, too.

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Thank you. Thanks for being here.

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Of course. Yeah, of course. I'm here right of course.

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I'm gonna Of course I'm gonna do this Yeah, so You wrote a book about well, I think the title is I used to like you but until yeah, I used to like you until yeah Why did you want to do that? What was the motivation behind that? I

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Every it's it's not a hot take that everything's so divided now, right?

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I think a lot of people have noticed that But I think I'm really in this unique position where I kind of get it from both sides because I'm independent politically I just want very small government, which I think puts me at odds with both the parties sometimes depending on what the issue is so I will sometimes get shit from the I'm on Fox News, so I'll get sometimes shit from the viewers and

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for sometimes more of this more social issues, or I'm not religious, that kind of a thing. But then the people on the left, a lot of them won't even want to have a conversation with me, because they're like, oh, she works at Fox News.

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That tells me everything I need to know about her. And I think that that's doing some real damage overall to us as a country by the fact that we're letting, because I'm not special in that aspect, right?

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People will let one aspect of a person completely just, that's all I need to know about that person. I'm not going to talk to that person.

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Yeah, that's a real problem. And it's so funny. Like if you say I'm independent, I just want small government. Immediately people start thinking prepper. Yeah. Okay. KKK stockpiling guns living in the woods. I'm independent.

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I want small government is like you're you might be a dangerous person.

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Which is such a wild take well people think that just because you don't think the gut the government's the best way to solve a problem That doesn't actually mean you don't care about the problem So if you don't think the government can solve something like oh well You're a piece of shit because you don't you don't care about this and this and it's like no I just don't think the government's gonna solve it I mean the problem with the government solving problems and the government is not financially invested in a solution and

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No, they just want to have more jobs and they want to keep more bureaucracy and more people working on a problem Hence the California homeless problem.

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Yeah, imagine if that was farmed off to the private sector Yeah, imagine if the only way to make money in the homeless problem is actually creating a solution for it

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Yeah, but there's no, like you said, there's no actual incentive for them to do that. New York's the same. I mean, I live in New York because I love my job, but if I didn't have my job, I would not live there, because it's so expensive.

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And I was in LA last week, and I was coming back from JFK in the morning after a red eye. I am exhausted, I'm pregnant, I'm trying to sleep in the car, and the roads, I'm just getting pothole after pothole.

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I'm like, going on, and I'm like, where are my taxes going exactly? Because everyone always say these roads, the roads are shit.

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Yeah, so I lived in New York once I drove I had to do an audition I drove to I lived in New Rochelle So I lived like right outside the Bronx and I drove to the city and home from the city I blew out one tire Driving to the city at a pull over the side of the road change this fucking tire dangerous risking my life all the way back I blew out another tire

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Yeah, jeez. Yeah potholes. Yeah, and it's so expensive here that bang and you're like shit.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, it's so expensive I mean I the fact that I have I feel very luxurious and it's like a flex to be able to have a child actually Because we have a we have enough space to put a baby in our rental apartment Which most people don't actually like I never thought I would get to that position people live in closets

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Yeah, I lived in Claude. When I first moved to New York, I lived in East Harlem. I lived in a truly, actually dangerous neighborhood. I was broken, like just so broke. And it's, I don't know how people survive. I really don't. I don't know why.

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I don't know how I did.

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You can get jobs other places.

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Yeah, I had my stupid dream which and it worked out well for me your stupid dream I wanted to do exactly what I'm doing now Congratulations. Thank you. I mean and then it's of course you achieve something. You're like, what's the next thing?

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What's the next thing? What's the next thing? I'm that person but and I'm also It's been so I'm Off of amphetamines right now cuz I'm pregnant for the first time since I was five. Whoa, isn't that crazy? Whoa Yeah, what kind of amphetamine?

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I mean you name it. I mean, so I was five. I'm 80. I do have ADHD I was five years old. What does that mean? So if It can be a lot of things, right? It can be lack of focus. It can be emotional dysregulation.

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But for me, a lot of times it's not diagnosed in women until they're older. I was a nuisance. I was unable to function in a classroom setting, which I think is more noticeable if you're a girl. I was acting like a kind of like a boy for lack of better.

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I mean, I was, I was, Breaking shit. I was like rough housing. I was unable to function in the classroom and Then they we went and got my IQ looked at that. Oh, she's really smart.

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She just can't say I was on Ritalin since I was five And now I'm not Isn't that crazy it is crazy.

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I hear that and I'm like that sounds like me. Yeah, I don't know what it means because I bet you can focus on things that you enjoy and

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Yes, I can right but writing is really hard which is writings hard for everybody.

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That's why no one's a writer, right?

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I'm a writer, but I've been on amphetamines this since I was five I don't remember a time being off of them if I haven't been sick or In bed somewhere in the hospital like really sick.

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I've been taking one of these drugs I mean vivance is what I was most recently taking so as an ambitious person It's been tough for me to be pregnant, but I don't know what of it is because I'm not in bed I don't know. I don't know what of it is.

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No is the pregnancy one of it is no amphetamines one of it is no nicotine cuz I mean I can't wait to go back to nicotine but cigarettes or pouches pouches I like gum and pouches so Let me get this straight.

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So you're you're young. You're real energetic. You don't want to sit still in class But are you interested in some things like do you focus on some things in your life? I

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Yeah, probably. I was really into outside and bugs and reptiles and that kind of thing.

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Right. And when you're around those things, did you focus? Probably. I mean, I don't remember that well. Yeah, that's why I don't know what this is.

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Because every time someone talks about ADHD and people want to insist that it's an actual pathology, that it's an actual issue. And I'm always like, boy, I don't know, because I think it's a superpower.

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So for me, I've just decided to view it like, okay, I'm not taking this. They told me you can take the medication while you're pregnant, but we just don't know what effect it'll have. I'm like, well, I'm not comfortable with that. So I quit it.

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I quit nicotine, quit everything. But I just try to view it as an experiment. I've never been off of these drugs, and I'm gonna try being off of these drugs. Doing the most simple task to me feels like I'm doing it through mud. It's really hard for me.

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Yes, it's really hard.

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But one thing that I think I'm gonna after I give birth I'm gonna go back to it to some extent But I don't want to use it on stage anymore because I feel like I've been better on stage without amphetamines Well, I know people that do I've never done amphetamines.

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I've never done Adderall. I've never done coke. I'm scared of him But a buddy of mine who had done Adderall and then gone on stage said it was terrible So yeah, he's never smiling. He was all serious where he's up there.

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He said it was awful yeah to me and I guess I feel normal and I've never really been off of it. Like it was never really my decision. It was never my decision to go on it.

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So what makes you think that you're better on stage off of it?

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Because one of my root issues is impulse control, which is a problem and everywhere but a stage, right? Because if you're not thinking too much, then you're going to be better on stage, I think. So I think I'm I don't get as nervous.

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I'm not thinking as much about what if I say this? I just I've already said it right and on a stage. That's the best place for that That's the one place where you can really do that and it's gonna be okay, right?

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So I I still the writing is tough doing laundry stuff being emotionally stable stuff I also don't know what of that is the pregnancy and I am not sure. Right.

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Is your first one? It's my first one. Yeah. So there's a lot that's going on.

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There's a lot going on. But it's like, I'm so messed up because I've done these, the amphetamines were so long that let's just say if something doesn't go well, I'm like, it would have been better if I was on Vyvanse. So it's like, you know what?

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I don't, because I don't know, but it's, you know, but I just don't know. Cause I've heard from what I've heard, if you're pregnant, that can make you a little crazy too.

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I'm sure right. I mean your hormones are going crazy. You got a little person growing inside your body weird and I know so much going on It's the most normal thing ever.

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I get that like everybody does it that's why we're all here, but I've never done it right to me It's wild.

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I don't think it's normal weird. It only happens every now and again to people It only happens to one half of the population. Yes, and it's the reason why life is here and it's treated as if it's not that big of a deal and

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Yeah, it really is.

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And it's one of the main focuses in this election is whether or not you can kill the baby. I'm sorry to say it that way. I mean, I'm not in any way trying to take away someone's right to choose. I'm not that guy.

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But I'm just saying what it actually is, is you're deciding whether or not someone should be able to tell you whether you could terminate the baby that's inside of you that's going to become a person.

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Yeah, I think that's obviously I mean, I'm pro-choice. I just think the government should be involved in it at all And I think that there's all these there's so many different levels to it, right? Like my husband and I we froze embryos years ago.

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So I have nine frozen But those are those are just a couple cells that are in a freezer whatever I knows what's in there I I mean, who knows what's in the embryo? So you really, so you think I should have all of them?

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I don't know what's in there. I don't know. I mean, what if every embryo is a life and not just a life, but a soul and a soul waiting to emerge. Like once you've done the deed, I'm not saying I'm not that guy.

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I'm not this religious guy, but I'm just, let's put it out there. Like what the fuck is that? If that thing can become a person, you put it in your body. Thaws out, whatever. I don't know the process. Yeah, I don't really either.

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I don't really either. I just kind of did it.

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All of a sudden it's a person? Like, you're storing people in like a lab somewhere? And do they have memory of being stored? Do we have long-term data about the trauma of being a frozen embryo for 10 years?

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Do we have any idea whether or not it has any effect on the human being? How long have they been doing this?

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Yeah, I have yeah, it's a long-term data on what kind of a person comes out of fraud like whatever like it's making a bunch of sociopaths I don't think I mean I feel like we've done it enough Pat time IVF right really think they've studied it like looked at the personalities of the people whether or not they have weird dreams about being stuck in a well sociopaths come from sex to I watch it and I'm sex no like the babies that come from sex turn can grow up to be sociopaths how do the babies come any other way people I mean IVF

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IVF. There's IVF and then there's the sex way.

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So you're saying that all the babies that are sociopaths come from sex?

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No, I'm saying that some of them do. Any baby can be a sociopath.

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Yes.

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Which is why I waited so long to have kids and I'm terrified because also what if it's like a few degrees below a sociopath and my kid just sucks?

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So and so's kids here do your best, you know, I don't think you really have to worry about that The reason why the brought I brought that up Yeah Because Ted Kaczynski when he was young was there was something wrong with them some sort of medical condition and they brought him to some hospital where he received no touch no physical touch for like a long period of time like months and months and

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And his brother who turned him in, his brother who read the Unabomber's manifesto and realized, like, I know how this guy's talking. My brother's a genius and a real psycho. And this is my brother.

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And so he turned him in and that's how they caught the Unabomber. But he attributes one of the things that's wrong with his brother with the time where he was a baby where he received no touch and no love and that it just fucked with his head.

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And I wonder, Those little embryos just sit in a freezer somewhere. I don't think so. I don't know either. I don't think so. I don't know either. I don't think so. But religion thinks that the soul enters the body on the 48th day, right? Is that what it is?

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I think every religion's different. I think there's some people who are really socially conservative religious that are opposed to IVF in general because embryos are discarded or they die and that kind of a thing.

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Yeah, I've heard that as an argument against what Donald Trump has been saying about paying for IVF. And we need more babies. And everybody's like, yay. And then the psychos went, no, no, no. 70% of all IVF babies are never used and they're discarded.

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And like, okay. Yeah.

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And in my dumb ass, I just talk about it all.

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I'm like, I have nine frozen, blah, blah, blah. Listen, you're just being transparent. I think that's a strong quality.

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Well, thank you. It gets me into trouble sometimes, but it's a much less stressful than the alternative of having to worry about things being uncovered that I've been hiding from people. I mean, a lot of times those are the creepiest people.

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People that are I'm everything's great. Everything's perfect. I've done it. It's like for sure.

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Yeah Well, also I've always found that the people that want to control other people most likely are out of control of some aspect of themselves Okay, if I see men that are like really invested in telling women what to do in controlling what like some weird thing that I was reading about people wanting to monitor employees periods

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Yeah, it was a concern about that right where if I don't again this is there was a concern about I don't know if it was ever really a thing but it was a concern about it happening potentially where if abortion was illegal they could get data from these these apps that track your period right

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And I have one because it now tracks my it tells me like your baby's the size of a pomegranate this week And I'm like, oh, that's so cute, right?

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but if let's say I It was telling me all that and I like miss my period then it could be watching me To see if I was obtaining an abortion pill online or something like that, right?

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My period was which is crazy also because miscarriage is some of the most emotionally devastating things for women and then to be accused of killing your baby exactly miscarriage because the app The app read wrong.

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The app saw that you missed your period.

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The app decided that you should be investigated in this time of insane sorrow.

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Yeah. Well, we have no privacy. And it's one of the scariest, biggest issues for me.

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It's a giant issue.

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It's just how many things between banks and the government be able to look at. They were never supposed to be able to look at all the things that they're looking at. And that's why people have to be concerned about.

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Stuff like well in two separate occasions. I've had private text messages that were publicly available because of trials Yeah, so I'm telling one of them was Alex Jones.

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Yeah, and I were texting about something Yeah, and they wanted every text that Alex Jones and I had ever sent each other.

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Yeah

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I'm like, well, okay, why? Because it was all about the Sandy Hook thing. And the only text that they found was there was some crazy story and I sent it to him and I said, is this true? That's it. That's the extent of our discussion.

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But that got read like in court and then it got printed online and printed and I was like, wow, that's crazy. Like that a private communication between people. Yeah. All of a sudden, not just gets read in court, but also gets distributed on the news.

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Mm-hmm. That's my nightmare is having my private text messages.

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Good luck with my memes folder That's my nightmare I mean the things I text to people being put every time I every time that happens when people's texts get public I'm more horrified that the text get public than most of whatever It's such a violation it also Doesn't take into account shit-talking exactly

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Which is a huge factor, especially with people like us. You know, you say funny things to your friends that you don't really mean.

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Sometimes you're just doing a bit.

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Yes. All the time. Like half of the texts that I go back and forth with comedian friends are just nonsense.

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Exactly. A lot of times you're just doing a bit. It's something between friends. And if you could see, so many of my group chats, if you could see with comedians, with people, you could see what we're saying. I mean, it'd be horrible. It'd be over for me.

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I'd have to start a new life under a new name. But why?

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It wouldn't because I think people are done with that horseshit. They think it's stupid.

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They really do it is stupid But I think more people think it's stupid but fewer people will admit they think it's stupid because they're worried about it Well that that's true, too.

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And also there's a lot of people that just love to watch people get fucked over Yeah, really do and they cheer it on. Mm-hmm. They cheer it on they get excited about it

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I think it's people who, I mean, I'm always more interested in examining that. There's leaked, there's this thing now where it's people are trying to cancel people over things that they said or tweeted or posted when they were 13 years old.

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I can help you with that.

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It's real simple.

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But it's that they've never reached. Yes. They've never reached their potential that they thought they would reach. So if they can't become whoever, maybe they can take whoever down who did.

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100% that's exactly what it is And it's also if you look at people's lives like there's a lot of people out there that are deeply unhappy Like what is the statistic there was some crazy statistic?

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We read recently about the amount of men who are not in relationships and are not having sex I think it's like 50%. It's something really 50% of men are not having sex. Something bonkers. Yeah, like some crit because people are just online.

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Like if you have a shit job, you know that call of duty is waiting and all you have to do is put those headphones on and sit in front of that computer and now life is exciting.

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I dated a Call of Duty guy once, so it's a little, it's a little triggering for me. And I was in my early 20s, I'm like young and beautiful and sitting there and then he's like on his video and I married a man who fought in an actual war.

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So that was much better for me. I'm like, that's good.

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You learn from that. You don't learn anything from the video game. Exactly.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I would hate my husband if he didn't go to war actually because he was he's you know Like a good man from a good family who was you know Had a good upbringing and went to boarding school and I'm like if he didn't have any the trauma of the war I wouldn't like it Right.

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Well, I think people going through things definitely make some stronger the rise of sexless men sexless and single men a third Wow, so it's a third I thought was half having sex and here's why

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The last decade alone, we see the number of sexless men between ages 18 and 30 increase by 253%. That's nuts. Wow. It's just skyrocketing.

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Those are the people that are mad at you those are the people that are in my Instagram like we feel bad for your husband you're disgusting oh I mean, it's funny.

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It's come across it sometimes, but I don't you know, it's good to not read Yeah, it's better not to but it's a 100% better.

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It's better not to there's no benefit and reading even the good stuff. I

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You know the good yeah the good stuff you never you're like, okay, you know, but sometimes I get you know emails that they make me laugh I mean sometimes I see things that make me laugh, you know occasionally, but it's not worth the ones that don't yeah It's like if you ate

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like gas station trail mix. And every now and then there was a fentanyl in one.

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No, I probably is at this point.

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But you know, if you had like 10 bags of trail mix, and every now and then one of them gives you a pill that puts you in a fucking coma, no stop eating tech trail mix. No, I hear what you're saying.

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It's hard. I recently posted a video where I responded to hate tweets or whatever. And I made my team go find them. I was like, well, you guys go find the funny ones because I don't want to look at all of them.

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Oh, that's better. Yeah, because you don't want to go in a spiral, finding only people who hate you. And when you're dealing with something like Fox News, you're dealing with numbers.

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The numbers of human beings that see you on TV all the time are huge. And then the numbers of deranged people that also think the country is falling apart and they're super tribal. They want you to be all in with Trump. All in!

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And if you're not all in they're fucking they're ready to put the duct tape and the fucking zip ties in the truck and head out the door.

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It would be so much easier for me to just be all in.

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I know people who give in. I know people who do it kind of disingenuously give in on purpose.

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Well, I would I mean I do well, right I sell out shows I'd sell out all the shows and faster and I would I would sell more books I mean the platform that I'm on every single night the people who are watching are mega people and so if I were You know if money was the thing I was the most after I would be an idiot and maybe I am an idiot I can't do it.

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I can't do it. The thing is it would change who you are. Exactly. I can't do it It would ruin what got you to the dance

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Yeah.

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That's that's the problem. It's like you're opinionated. You like to have fun. You like to be impulsive and say crazy shit off the cuff.

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Yeah.

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If you're only thinking about appeasing one certain group, that power goes away.

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Right. Yeah. I just couldn't do it. I just I couldn't. I mean, again, if you actually are super MAGA and you love Trump and you're one of those people, then good for you. I have no judgment of that. That's fine. Live your life. Have fun.

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But can you please be OK with the fact that I'm not the way that I'm OK with you?

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Did you see the Amazon Alexa when they asked Alexa why you should vote for Trump or why you should vote for Biden?

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No, I didn't. What happened? It's crazy. What happened?

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It's so crazy. Jamie, I can send it to you or you might be able to find it. It is so nuts what Amazon's, what Alexa's responses, the difference between- I'm sure there's a vast, yes. There's a grand canyon between the two of them. Yeah.

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Do you have it or do you want me to get it? Hold on. What is this? Amazon's Alexa differing response about voting Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris. We're in error that it has fixed. Listen, it's not an error.

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Of course it's not.

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It's not an error because they literally asked the exact same questions about Obama and or excuse me about Trump and about Kamala. The exact same questions. I'm sorry, I'm distracted because I'm trying to look for it while I'm talking.

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Why should I vote for Donald Trump? I cannot provide content that promotes a specific political party.

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Oh, I think I did see this. Watch this.

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Alexa, why should I vote for Kamala Harris? if if

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So just world propaganda straight from Alexa. Just listen to the language being used. The glass ceiling. Yeah, aggressive ideas.

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It's not surprising. And of course, the Kamala is completely just an idea that's been manufactured. It's been amazing. It's been so insane to watch. Yeah, I mean, the Joe Biden thing, I think is a perfect example.

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The fact that that went on for so long is a perfect example of the how the the you know, the part is the hyper partisanship allows things to happen because Joe was very clearly not okay for a while.

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I mean, anybody who was watching that and just seeing it, if that's your grandpa, if that were my grandpa, my grandpa's almost 90, so he's got like 10 years on the guy, I'd be like, Papa, we need to go to the hospital, you're not okay.

00:24:25 Speaker_05
But that became a Republican thing to say. So people weren't saying it until they couldn't possibly hide it anymore, right?

00:24:31 Speaker_06
Right.

00:24:31 Speaker_05
So I think that's a perfect example of how partisanship leads to some really stupid shit. But I was actually shocked they threw her in there. And just right before that, people were saying worst vice president ever. Obviously, you know, not popular now.

00:24:46 Speaker_05
Now she's, you know, she's brat. Like that's Charli XCX is trying to make it cool. It's like she's a DA. She locked people up for cocaine. She's not for weed. She's not brat. It's just been so crazy to watch.

00:25:00 Speaker_05
People are so excited and they don't even know what they're excited about.

00:25:03 Speaker_04
It's just gaslighting on an industrial level. Of course. Like a production machine level where you're like, wow, look at this thing work. This is nuts. It's like watching a car get put together by robots. Like, whoa.

00:25:17 Speaker_05
Yeah. Yeah. And people get really mad. People get mad at me for working out. I mean, even in my personal life for working at Fox News, people are like, how could you work? I'm like, what do you mean?

00:25:26 Speaker_04
Did you see where they compared the differences in her speech in Detroit versus her speech in Pittsburgh?

00:25:32 Speaker_05
Yeah.

00:25:33 Speaker_04
We need to watch this. First of all, what's fascinating is if I was in her court, if I was working with her, I would say, listen, listen, listen. First of all, nothing off the cuff.

00:25:45 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:25:45 Speaker_04
Nothing off the cuff ever. No interviews ever. Speeches. Just speeches. Teleprompter only. We're busy. We're busy trying to fix the world. We don't have time for interviews. I'd say no interviews. Because interviews are when things go sideways.

00:25:56 Speaker_04
So CNN was 41 minutes. They edited it down to 18 and all of it sucked.

00:26:01 Speaker_05
18 minutes of nothing. I want to see the rest.

00:26:05 Speaker_04
Also, the difference between the way they probed J.D. Vance versus the way they probed her and Walt. So listen, Kamala in Detroit versus Kamala in Pittsburgh, literally five hours apart.

00:26:20 Speaker_07
Unbelievable.

00:26:23 Speaker_04
The accent.

00:26:27 Speaker_07
I can't.

00:26:35 Speaker_04
It's so embarrassing, too. It would be one thing if she did that all the time. Right, of course. She's got, you know, the ability to talk like that if she enjoys it. Sure. You know, she wants to talk a little shit. Yeah. That's how she's doing it.

00:26:49 Speaker_04
It seems like it's all this construct. Of course it is. You ever been to Universal in Hollywood where they shoot TV shows?

00:26:57 Speaker_00
Yeah.

00:26:58 Speaker_04
And you go down the street and it's these facades that look like a city street. But behind them is just a bunch of boards holding up the front of the building. There's no house. Yeah. That's what this is like.

00:27:07 Speaker_05
Yeah, that's exactly what it's like. And I still have no idea. I think she could win.

00:27:10 Speaker_04
She could totally win. I know a lot of people that think it's a good idea to vote for her. I was watching Ben Stiller with his fucking eyes glazed over, just talking about how great she's gonna be. I was like, this is fascinating.

00:27:22 Speaker_04
And it's, I get it, like it's the lesser of two evils in their eyes. That's what they're looking at. But boy, you should not be happy with this. Nothing about you should be excited about what they've done to you.

00:27:32 Speaker_04
Because they've tricked you into talking about something in a very positive way that you just recently didn't talk about in a positive way. And there was nothing that happened that changed that person.

00:27:44 Speaker_05
It was nothing that she did. She hadn't even spoken at all for several days. And people are like, Kamala, Kamala. I mean, the cover of the Time magazine without an interview is crazy. I mean, I'm so jealous. I'm so, I can't.

00:27:57 Speaker_05
After I give birth, I'm going to just have my husband bring me a pack of Zins. Immediately immediate nicotine is the best for writing for working for everything.

00:28:07 Speaker_04
It's great for a lot of things It's just the delivery methods.

00:28:10 Speaker_05
Yeah problematic. I had a problem with vaping for a while like it was bad I'd be in public with multiple vapes sitting and I was like cat you can't you're you can't be doing those are so addictive They're so addictive. I I was one of the first vapors.

00:28:24 Speaker_05
I quit for I I'm serious. I quit.

00:28:27 Speaker_04
My buddy Adam has one of them robot things. I did.

00:28:30 Speaker_05
I had a laboratory in my house. It was like I was stealing all my liquids.

00:28:36 Speaker_04
What is the benefit of having like a big box vape?

00:28:40 Speaker_05
There's, it just rips harder. I used to love to blow fat clouds. I had to get a dental procedure done, something super minor, whatever, like a deep, I couldn't vape for 24 hours.

00:28:52 Speaker_05
I put so many nicotine patches on my body and I still didn't even feel anything. It should have killed me or at least made me throw up. And I was like, ah, and then I still kept vaping.

00:29:02 Speaker_05
I eventually, when I quit vaping and I was using pouches to help me quit vaping, And I was using 12 milligram pouches like I try those I can't do it.

00:29:11 Speaker_05
I start hiccup and I have to put them away Oh, yeah, most people I almost have a fucking heart attack most decent people which is why I'm saying I had a problem and I quit Now I got down to six and now zero obviously because it is baby.

00:29:23 Speaker_04
I like threes.

00:29:24 Speaker_05
Yeah, I can't wait I want to get six. I'm gonna I can't wait. I'm gonna be in that hospital bed. I'm gonna be like

00:29:29 Speaker_04
Like I can't wait, but you can't cuz they'll get in the milk.

00:29:32 Speaker_05
That's what I can you pump and dump, right? You're gonna be pumping out nicotine for sure, okay, but No, I'm gonna try to breastfeed, okay, I know I should but it's like I've already had nine months of no nicotine That's the thing. That's the hardest.

00:29:54 Speaker_04
Yeah, but once you've kicked it, you should probably try to keep it off. I No? No.

00:29:59 Speaker_05
I think about nicotine every day. Like every day.

00:30:04 Speaker_04
Were you ever a cigarette smoker?

00:30:05 Speaker_05
In college I smoked when I drank and in college I drank a lot because I was in college.

00:30:10 Speaker_04
Okay, and so then vaping comes along when?

00:30:12 Speaker_05
Vaping comes along probably so when I was like mid-20s and I did it for eight years.

00:30:19 Speaker_04
Well, so do you start with like regular vapes that you buy at the gas station and move your way up to robots?

00:30:25 Speaker_05
I started with the blue cigs and then they just weren't hitting hard enough for me anymore I was ripping multiple blue cigs and then I love the jewel. I love I mean, so there's these things in Detroit called breezes and

00:30:36 Speaker_05
I don't know if you can get them other places, but I know you can get them, and I'm from the Detroit area, and I was having, I don't know, this is illegal, so I probably shouldn't say this, but my brother may have been sending shipments in to me, you know, when they were illegal in New York, because the breezes were the best.

00:30:51 Speaker_05
Why were they illegal in New York?

00:30:53 Speaker_05
For a while, well, they weren't sold in New York, but for a while there was supposed to be, the jewels, rather, the jewels were illegal in New York, and then we weren't sure about what was going to be legal in New York, because, do you remember that, when they made jewel pods illegal?

00:31:06 Speaker_05
I don't because they I don't think they ever became illegal in California, but they did make them mango ones because I was flavored one And that was my shit the mango jewel when you get a fresh one and it makes that crackling sound and Honestly, if I found a mango jewel pod somewhere in my house, I would have

00:31:24 Speaker_05
I don't know not when I'm pregnant. That's the thing that sucks is like I love this baby so much that I've not even met yet That's wonderful. Nothing. It's it's like so real commitment.

00:31:32 Speaker_05
I know but it's so weird for my brand Love this, but I never thought I'd have kids I never thought I never wanted to and then I now I'm like My baby's the size of a cucumber, you know, you're doing the right thing by not feeding it Jules, of course I think so, of course, but I'm gonna go back you have to go back in your mind.

00:31:50 Speaker_05
Yes Wow, I'm a better both my books I wrote on nicotine I had nicotine gum in my I just want to like have something in my job What is the side effects that they think can happen to kids like premature birth?

00:32:05 Speaker_05
And is that from smoking or I think nicotine I mean, I'm really limit I mean I can't it's like you can't really do stimulants when you're pregnant you can't do I can't do anything when you're pregnant I can have 200 milligrams of caffeine a day

00:32:19 Speaker_04
So is being off of caffeine hard? You can have 200 milligrams of caffeine a day. So is being off the stimulants, is that the hardest? Or is that harder than nicotine?

00:32:32 Speaker_05
See, I don't know, because I've always done them together.

00:32:34 Speaker_04
And so did you have to wean yourself off, or did you go cold turkey as soon as you knew that?

00:32:38 Speaker_05
I had to go cold turkey. Wow. Yeah. So what was that like? I was a bitch.

00:32:43 Speaker_04
For how long?

00:32:44 Speaker_05
A couple weeks. It was really rough. Wow.

00:32:46 Speaker_04
Because you have to sort of like, your equilibrium has to come back. Yeah.

00:32:50 Speaker_05
Well, I had a doctor tell me that I probably couldn't get pregnant without medication. That if I took medication, I would have a 10% chance of getting pregnant. Naturally, as they say. The sex way. I was just living my life. And then I didn't feel good.

00:33:03 Speaker_05
And then I took a test and I was like, here we go. And we wanted kids. We were planning on starting IVF. And so I just quit everything cold turkey at once.

00:33:11 Speaker_04
Wow. And so was it immediately hard or was it hard right away? First day you're like, Oh my God, where's my speed?

00:33:19 Speaker_05
I would go to the gym and I'd come back and I'd put nicotine pouch and I mean I really like I used to be vaping on airplanes, which is It's so illegal I do it in your hood I would bring a blanket with me on the plane and I would sit underneath it like a psycho

00:33:37 Speaker_05
But they're like, you know, what are they gonna do you they can't be like ma'am you're not allowed to be under a blanket I mean, I looked like a mentally ill like they're probably watching me Because I would because I would also hold it in as long as I could to get the biggest rush

00:33:52 Speaker_05
Like I would hold my breath Like I think I'm telling you this was business I've never seen anybody as bad on it as I which is why I can never try crack because I would like my life Would be over in three days. I would love crack.

00:34:03 Speaker_04
So I don't it seems like most people do yeah, they do they do seems to be a problem Anybody's like doing a little crack every now and then I

00:34:13 Speaker_05
I mean, I couldn't handle the nicotine vapes, so crack, probably not. But again, yeah. So when did you move to robots? I moved to robots after the Juul became illegal. And I couldn't get the mangoes.

00:34:26 Speaker_05
So I was trying to get the same rip I could get off a Juul.

00:34:30 Speaker_04
So you were being like a chemist. You were going, mixing oils. I always mix that.

00:34:36 Speaker_05
And it was like sticky. And they would explode and be sticky everywhere. And sometimes it would explode in your mouth and you'd get that like...

00:34:41 Speaker_04
Like my friend Adam Curry uses a robot. He's got that robot lunchbox type thing Yeah, he says it's better. Yeah, because he says first of all, you know, what's in there, right?

00:34:51 Speaker_04
Because if you're buying them from they're making them in Vietnam and some sweatshop somewhere Have you ever seen those the factories where they test them all? Yeah, it does some guy sucks on every one of them Yeah, it's one poor guy.

00:35:01 Speaker_04
You think you gotta love that job?

00:35:02 Speaker_05
You mean I can just rip vapes all day you have to live in Shanghai Yeah, I was doing that job for free.

00:35:14 Speaker_04
This dude is just sucking on these things. I mean, I don't know where they make them. He's an Asian fellow, but he just keeps hitting them. He just has to check every one of them, make sure they blow smoke.

00:35:23 Speaker_04
She's grabbing them off the assembly line and put them in these boxes. Yeah. So he's just. Mainlining nicotine all day long and whatever those oils.

00:35:31 Speaker_05
That's the thing is I mainly felt like If I get lung cancer, I will feel stupid, you know I'll be like how could I possibly have thought I could get away with doing all this and not have something bad happen Well, is there better oils that those things that like when my friend Adam?

00:35:46 Speaker_04
Oh You know who Adam Curry is? The original Podfather? He's the guy who made the very first podcast. I know who he is, yeah. He's the best. But he actually has those things and he was trying to convince me that those things are okay.

00:35:56 Speaker_04
And that the whole thing about vapes being bad was just like the tobacco companies and a bunch of shenanigans and I was like, hmm. I'm paraphrasing, I'm not giving you the full story.

00:36:07 Speaker_04
But his argument was that those robot lunchbox type vapes, those big fat boys, at least you know what's in there, like you know where you're getting your oils, like you can get different quality and caliber of nicotine oils.

00:36:20 Speaker_05
Yeah, I was well, I mean, I believe there's a lot of studies that show it is way better than cigarettes.

00:36:26 Speaker_05
I also but it's also but it's also the way that I've used cigarettes when I've had like I can still when I go to Europe again not and when I'm pregnant but when I can I can still go to Europe and smoke cigarettes only in Europe and come back and on smoke cigarettes and there's immediate downsides to cigarettes you got to go outside you smell bad da da da da da da I was smoking the vape a vape hitting the vape when I was in the hospital after I had a near-death experience in 2020 do you know about my shit I had a shit bag no

00:36:55 Speaker_05
So how'd it happen? Oh, I had a I know you're jacked, but this is you're not squeamish, right? No Okay, so I had a bowel perforation. I had a really bad Stomach pains.

00:37:05 Speaker_05
I went to the hospital and they told me I need an ileostomy which is a shit bag It's the one you they take your small intestine they pull it out of your stomach and you have a bag so I had to have that surgery in November of 2020 and I was in the hospital and I was ripping the vape for sure and

00:37:20 Speaker_05
I have my intestine hanging out of my body, and I'm ripping a vape. I had it for about five weeks, and I didn't tell anybody. I wrote about it in my first book, and that's how everybody kind of found out that that had happened to me. It was bad.

00:37:34 Speaker_05
It was really, really rough. And then I got it reversed.

00:37:37 Speaker_04
That's good.

00:37:38 Speaker_05
I got it reversed, but I had complications.

00:37:40 Speaker_04
Oh, that's nice.

00:37:40 Speaker_05
So I had complications where I was gushing blood on my ass because there was a loose staple. And I needed a transfusion. Guess which day that was that I had that bad thing happen? What day? January 6th.

00:37:51 Speaker_04
Oh, my God.

00:37:53 Speaker_05
That January, the January 6th. Oh, my God. And I didn't talk publicly about this for a long time. So whenever I was on the news, like people would ask me, it comes up a lot. And like, I'd be thinking about, yes, I will never forget this.

00:38:09 Speaker_05
I've never talked about this before, actually, this specific thing. I will never forget this. On January 6th, I'm all doped up, right? If you have stuff like that, they'll let you have a Dilaudid drip. I'm like all doped up.

00:38:20 Speaker_05
I tweeted or I posted on Facebook, tweeted, whatever, posted something along the lines of, This is actually my personal Facebook, it's shared too.

00:38:28 Speaker_05
And it was like, the news is stressful, turning on a Ted Bundy documentary to relax, something like that.

00:38:34 Speaker_05
And I looked at my personal Facebook and some dude who I knew from doing open mics in Baltimore had commented like, oh, are you stressed out about basically that you did this? You know, because I work at Fox, that I did January 6th.

00:38:48 Speaker_05
And I'm sitting there on a bucket. in a hospital with blood gushing out of my ass. And this dude that I did open mics with eight years ago is trying to tell me that he's having a bad day.

00:39:02 Speaker_04
Well, he's trying to shame you. He's trying to blame you for this insurrection attempt, what he perceives to be.

00:39:08 Speaker_05
Right, which again, I was in the hospital having, you know, I would say I had a worse January 6th than a lot of people.

00:39:16 Speaker_04
I would say so.

00:39:17 Speaker_05
Right? I mean, I'm just reading that.

00:39:18 Speaker_04
Ashley Babbitt probably had the worst.

00:39:20 Speaker_05
The worst, yes.

00:39:20 Speaker_04
Absolutely.

00:39:21 Speaker_05
Absolutely.

00:39:23 Speaker_04
But here's what's fucked. It's exactly what we were talking about with comments. Who's that guy? That's a guy who's a failure. Some dude, exactly.

00:39:28 Speaker_04
Who you started out, open mics, and he remembers, and now you're successful, and he's not, and he's like, yeah, you caused the fucking collapse of democracy with your jokes.

00:39:38 Speaker_05
from this bucket, where... Bleeding out of your butt. Literally the most humbling probably moment of my life, where I was like, I am a fragile, fragile human being. Oh, that's hilarious. Some crazy lady next to me too. She was some lady.

00:39:54 Speaker_05
She was like 90 years old. And you know, she thought that they want to give her potassium supplements. So she was talking out loud about how they're trying to poison her with something.

00:40:01 Speaker_05
And I had her comment, because we were all watching the January 6th. It was on in the hospital. We were all kind of watching it together. And she was like, well, everybody loved Trump at first and now they don't.

00:40:11 Speaker_05
And she was like, everybody, those are all Russians at the Capitol. And I was like, and I'm sitting there on my bucket, like a foot away from this woman. And I'm like, I'm like, She's talking to me.

00:40:22 Speaker_04
Asking her questions. I was. I would have given up on any idea of a real conversation. Of course. This is not a real conversation. You're not talking with this woman. You can't get frustrated. Those aren't Russians. They're probably feds. You don't even know.

00:40:36 Speaker_04
Like, hey lady. I just remember being like, totally. Yeah, you gotta ask her questions. Like, what have you read?

00:40:43 Speaker_05
What have you read that brought you to those conclusions? I don't think she knew what she'd read, but she was speaking very matter-of-factly.

00:40:52 Speaker_04
Oh yeah, people love to do that. Well, also, probably, they're giving her potassium supplements probably because her fucking brain is shutting down.

00:40:59 Speaker_05
She was really old.

00:41:00 Speaker_04
Yeah, and probably not doing so well health-wise. They're giving her potassium supplements. That's what they're trying to say, hey, your electrolyte balance is off, fucking nothing's firing correctly. You got real problems. She's probably cramping up.

00:41:13 Speaker_05
Yeah, the hospital was a bad, I mean, it's always a bad, it's like a bad hang, right? It's horrible.

00:41:17 Speaker_04
But if you can talk to someone really dumb, who's really into something politically, you can get kind of insight.

00:41:23 Speaker_05
Well, I had the when I was in the hospital for my first surgery, there was this lady who was like, she was farting really loud. And she was singing. She was like giving glory to God for her farts that she was Oh, boy.

00:41:33 Speaker_05
So I was turning up my forensic files as loud as I could just like cranking it up. And she asked me if I could turn it down. And I already had this is the day of my first I already been having like the worst day of my life.

00:41:43 Speaker_05
So I was like, how the fuck could you ask me to? But then we wound up talking all night. Like and I have her number on my phone still. Because

00:41:49 Speaker_05
Because when you're in a hospital and I was by myself because this was during kovat and in New York My husband was allowed he could come visit for I could have two visitors a day maximum two people for maximum two hours and not past 6 p.m So I was scared.

00:42:02 Speaker_05
I had this near-death experience and then complications on the reversal. I was alone the entire time and And you need, I mean, and again, I'm lucky because I lived through it, right? There's people who died, obviously.

00:42:16 Speaker_05
It was just so horrible and scary to do that by myself. And also, it's hospitals, you need an advocate. Because I was so doped up, my sheets weren't being washed as much as they should have been. I couldn't do, you know, it's just like you need someone.

00:42:29 Speaker_05
Hey, she needs, you know, she's, hey.

00:42:32 Speaker_04
Yeah, hospital workers like everybody else, some of them are really good and some of them suck. And also it's just, it's weird to be alone like that. There's no reason why you should have had to have been alone.

00:42:43 Speaker_04
If it's okay for someone to sit with you, that should be fine. Why couldn't he stay? Yeah. I mean, I've had family members in the hospital before. You just sit next to them and read a book and they feel comfortable. Someone that they love is there.

00:42:53 Speaker_04
It makes them feel better.

00:42:54 Speaker_05
I had my insides hanging out of my body.

00:42:57 Speaker_04
You should have somebody with you. Two hours is nuts, like why?

00:43:01 Speaker_05
But again, you're already letting him in. Does it get worse in the night that he can't stay past 6pm? Because also he had work, but he still obviously came to see me every day. But he couldn't come for very long and he had to leave.

00:43:13 Speaker_05
And I was there by myself and it was so scary. And there was no benefit to it. It was just because of COVID.

00:43:20 Speaker_04
Oh, that's why. How dumb is that?

00:43:23 Speaker_05
But that doesn't make sense, because if he had COVID, it'd already be in there. Two fucking hours?

00:43:27 Speaker_04
From the two hours he was in there. It's plenty of time to give it to you.

00:43:29 Speaker_05
Yeah, yeah.

00:43:31 Speaker_04
So stupid.

00:43:32 Speaker_05
They told me, I will never forget that, when I woke up from the first surgery, they came in and they told me that they had good news and that I tested negative for COVID. I was like, I don't fucking care.

00:43:44 Speaker_05
My small intestine is hanging out of my stomach.

00:43:47 Speaker_04
I don't even test for it anymore.

00:43:49 Speaker_05
No, they don't.

00:43:50 Speaker_04
Yeah, my daughter had a pretty, like a pretty loud cold or off. And they brought it to the I was telling my wife, she's probably got the vid. Yeah, I got the vid. It's going around. Yeah. She goes, No, she's got a nasal infection.

00:44:02 Speaker_04
And I said, Did they test for COVID? She's like, No.

00:44:04 Speaker_05
No.

00:44:05 Speaker_04
They didn't even test? If this was two years ago, they would 100% immediately test you for COVID. But yet they're still talking about COVID. And they don't even test kids for it.

00:44:15 Speaker_05
I tested myself. I had it in July. And I tested myself only because I'm pregnant. And I wanted to know what to expect. And I got really sick because my immune system's trash. Again, because of this baby. No nicotine. Can't fight off illnesses.

00:44:27 Speaker_04
Are you doing anything to supplement your vitamins?

00:44:29 Speaker_05
I'm doing just prenatals, probiotics, that's it. I mean I eat food now a lot more than I used to. I used to be chewing nicotine gum all day, it doesn't make you hungry.

00:44:44 Speaker_04
There's supposed to be some real benefits to nutritional supplementation while your baby is being born inside of you, or being created inside of you.

00:44:53 Speaker_04
Maybe possibly going to a place and getting your blood work drawn, finding what nutrients you're deficient in. It could really help you. I should.

00:45:01 Speaker_05
I should do stuff like that.

00:45:02 Speaker_04
It can help you. You know, I mean, it's all just simple, basic, natural stuff like vitamin C and vitamin D and vitamin K2 and all that stuff. But your body really extra needs that. You're making a little human.

00:45:15 Speaker_05
I know. And it's the weirdest thing. I can only imagine. I mean, I, again, I didn't used to be someone who ate, I eat all day now. You know, I didn't used to, I mean, I eat food at night. Like I used to not eat all day. You were on speed. Of course.

00:45:30 Speaker_05
But I was on, also, nicotine gum. Always, nicotine gum in my mouth.

00:45:35 Speaker_04
My friends that have quit cigarettes, that's the first thing they say, they get fat. They immediately start gaining weight. Because nicotine's really, essentially, kind of a speed, too. It's a little bit of a stimulant. And an appetite suppressant.

00:45:46 Speaker_05
So I was, yes. But I was honestly so used to the amphetamines. So I was on Vyvanse, which is slow release. Adderall, I don't like. I was on Adderall briefly, and it was too much for me. I was jittery, I was anxious. I was, no, I won't do Adderall.

00:45:59 Speaker_05
And the Vyvanse is slow-release. It's it doesn't make me feel so when I first went off of it. I Yes, I ate like I gained like 10 pounds in six weeks, right?

00:46:10 Speaker_05
But now I feel like I'm just as hungry as I was When I was on Adderall without the nicotine, so I because I got so used to it So I wasn't ever really getting this like Which Adderall I did get from that from?

00:46:27 Speaker_05
Like your skull like and I didn't like that. I didn't like it.

00:46:30 Speaker_04
How long did you do it for?

00:46:32 Speaker_05
So I did it because my insurance didn't cover Vyvanse back when I lived in DC. So I was like, I need something right?

00:46:37 Speaker_04
Did you get street Adderall?

00:46:39 Speaker_05
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not no I'm not doing that. Certainly not only doctors. I only move my drug dealers are all actual doctors. So I was like, okay, I'll do Adderall. How much different can it be? And it was like bad.

00:46:53 Speaker_05
And if I ever forgot to take it, I was like, I was like walking in a wall. Like I couldn't like, I was like sleeping. I couldn't do it. I couldn't do it. So then I just like found coupons somewhere. My doctor helped me up.

00:47:02 Speaker_05
I was like, I will sacrifice in other areas to afford the Vyvanse because I don't know how people take this. Like Adderall, I couldn't do.

00:47:08 Speaker_04
You took it for how many months? A couple months, probably. Yeah. And what doses were they giving you? Probably 30. Is that a lot, Jamie? That's the one you're saying was a lot? The other day it was 20s. Someone was talking about 20s? Yeah.

00:47:23 Speaker_05
I've taken Metadate, I've taken, again, I was, I was, I'm, I'm one of those, when they say, like, study the kids were put on Ritalin when they were five, you're looking at one. This is me. That's, I mean, I was on, And it's, you know, it is harder.

00:47:38 Speaker_05
It is really a lot harder for me to live and do basic shit. But it's been interesting.

00:47:43 Speaker_04
That's Henry Rollins' story, too. Yeah. They put him on Ritalin when he was five years old as well. And he said, like, he'd be just fucking all day at school, just gritting his teeth. Yeah. All his energy just buzzed up on speed.

00:47:56 Speaker_05
See, I never felt like that. Except the Adderall. That's, I can't. That's not for me. Adderall's not for me. I won't do Adderall.

00:48:04 Speaker_04
Well, I know a lot of people that really love it and they're all kind of out of control. They're just a little bit off the rails.

00:48:11 Speaker_05
Oh, if I take Adderall, I thought I forgot. I remember I forgot my Vyvanse one time and I took someone's Adderall, like this was a few years ago. And immediately I'm texting everyone on my phone, like, am I going to be okay? Tell me I'm okay.

00:48:23 Speaker_00
Like are you mad?

00:48:24 Speaker_05
That's not I like I I'm exhausting enough to be around as a person just naturally I don't need I don't need to add her all adding to the problem. You know, I thought like I've the world's collapsing around me That's not a good feeling.

00:48:36 Speaker_04
It's just nuts how many doctors prescribe that stuff Mm-hmm, and and how many people are on it? What was it 39 million? Is that what it was prescriptions last year? I Something kooky like that.

00:48:48 Speaker_04
It's probably more than that because I think that was actually 2021 now that I think about it. So it's probably way more than that now.

00:48:55 Speaker_05
Yeah. I mean, I was one of the first and I think I will. I think I will go back. But then I'm like, maybe I should try just nicotine. But a doctor probably wouldn't recommend that. But what do they know?

00:49:05 Speaker_04
Yeah, most doctors are not going to recommend nicotine ever.

00:49:08 Speaker_05
Right. I'm a better person because of nicotine. And I know that's not like popular to like, don't like that's not for the kids. But I don't know.

00:49:18 Speaker_05
I mean, you know, writing whenever I'm writing, sometimes I'll be like, I'm so I'm so like, I need to get a sentence perfect.

00:49:25 Speaker_05
When I'm writing I'll spend hours sometimes on a single sentence if I think it's a really important sentence And I'll be like, I don't know I don't know and then I'll put a put a Zen in or put nicotine and then I will get it Have you ever tried other nootropics?

00:49:38 Speaker_05
Um, yeah, I mean, I'm just nicotine.

00:49:40 Speaker_04
I mean, yes, but but if you ever try to add the things like You ever heard of neuro gum, you know, no, not that we have some over here in that blue bag right there and

00:49:51 Speaker_04
Neurogum is, I don't have anything to do with this company, by the way, just something I like. Neurogum is gum that has theanine in it and caffeine, and it enhances brain function. Yeah, I've tried a theanine before.

00:50:02 Speaker_04
And then there's some other stuff that you can get. We sell something at Onnit called AlphaBrain, and there's AlphaBrain, then AlphaBrain Black Label, which is like the more potent version. That stuff's very legit. Really helps memory, really helps.

00:50:16 Speaker_04
Yeah.

00:50:19 Speaker_04
Back in the day when we first put it out a lot of people are like this is fucking snake oil So okay, let's find out because there's studies, but there's no there's no real like let's find out let's get something definitive So we did two double-blind placebo controlled studies at the Boston Center for memory where they found increase in

00:50:35 Speaker_04
the increase in verbal memory, so your ability to recall words, increase in reaction time, increase in alpha flow state, so there was a bunch of recognizable benefits at a dose that was lower than what I was taking.

00:50:51 Speaker_04
It was like half what I was taking. I think the dose was two pills, and I do four. A lot of times I'm getting crazy, I'll do six. If I have something important, like if I have a UFC, UFCs require six. Yeah, it's six hours.

00:51:04 Speaker_04
I'm sitting down there for six hours. I bring snacks and I drink monsters and I have alpha brain. Yeah, and I fucking lock it in.

00:51:14 Speaker_05
I am excited to start to own my body again and be able to take whatever I want.

00:51:20 Speaker_04
But you should try some other stuff that doesn't, you know, like there's some other stuff that will give you benefits, but doesn't give you that weird feeling, you know, that accelerated feeling.

00:51:29 Speaker_05
I don't like that. Because I'm anxious enough as it is. I'm actually a very anxious person.

00:51:33 Speaker_04
I have a friend whose daughter was on ADHD medication and she's getting off of it and he started giving her alpha brain. Okay. He said it helped her tremendously.

00:51:42 Speaker_05
I actually never thought I could go off of it. Like I actually, that was one of my concerns in terms of actually getting pregnant. That you were going to be like that for the rest of your life. When I went off of it, I mean,

00:51:55 Speaker_05
Was like what do it that I'm in it now, baby doesn't seem totally fine coherent.

00:52:00 Speaker_04
You're you're talking very quickly You're not exhausted. No. No, I'm not exhausted. This is you. Yeah, this is actually you right? You want to go back to speed you?

00:52:10 Speaker_05
No matter what we'd be like I'd have been so much better if I I don't know because it's I'm it's so weird because I feel like I'm getting to meet myself But also it's not really myself because of the pregnancy because this is pregnant me, right?

00:52:32 Speaker_05
but then I kind of am curious to stay off of it a little longer when I'm not pregnant and Just to see.

00:52:37 Speaker_04
I think you should.

00:52:38 Speaker_05
Yeah.

00:52:39 Speaker_04
You seem like a wonderful person off of it.

00:52:41 Speaker_05
So you're my primary care physician now.

00:52:42 Speaker_04
I'm your doctor. You seem like a wonderful person off of it. I don't think you need it.

00:52:46 Speaker_04
I think everybody would like to be a little bit more productive, especially if you're a creative type, if you're a writer, if you're doing things, you'd like to be a little bit more productive. But there's no biological free lunch. Yeah.

00:53:00 Speaker_04
And there's probably going to be some sort of long term damage to a lifetime of stimulating your system. I know a lot of people that did a lot of coke in the 1970s and they're all fucked up. A lot of them died with neurological conditions.

00:53:15 Speaker_05
Oh yeah, coke is... I have no interest in cocaine.

00:53:19 Speaker_04
I just wonder, it's the difference between doing coke five nights a week for a few hours a night versus a pill that you're taking every fucking day that jacks your system up. Who knows if you're gonna blow a fuse over time? Like, who knows?

00:53:36 Speaker_05
Oh, I've definitely considered that. I've definitely considered that. For me, I didn't function off of it, so I didn't try.

00:53:44 Speaker_04
Now, what about, have you ever tried new vigil or pro-vigil?

00:53:48 Speaker_05
I was on pro-vigil briefly, but I was, I forget why I went on pro-vigil instead of everything else, but it was, oh, I was diagnosed briefly, I've never talked about this, with narcolepsy. But I don't think I really have it. Did you fall asleep?

00:54:02 Speaker_05
I fell asleep a lot in the sleep study, but this was also in college, and I smoked a lot of weed in college. So I really think I might have just had a stone over.

00:54:15 Speaker_04
Oh my god, that's hilarious.

00:54:18 Speaker_05
And they said, you got non-lipsy, take some pills. I've never I've never talked about this and I've actually kind of just remembered it But yeah, and I couldn't stay awake for the sleep study.

00:54:30 Speaker_05
So they were like, she's got narcolepsy No one was ever like hey, are you taking ball grips? Why are you so sleepy, Kat?

00:54:40 Speaker_04
Oh my god, that's so funny.

00:54:41 Speaker_05
Which I think that must have been why, looking back, the fact that I was taking that many bong rips, and again, I graduated at the top of my class, I was very studious, worked hard, but I just, at college, smoked a lot of weed.

00:54:54 Speaker_05
Yeah, you were probably sleepy. I was sleepy. That's so crazy. I might have smoked the afternoon before, or the day before.

00:55:03 Speaker_04
How crazy is it that that's all the requirement that they have to give you a drug?

00:55:06 Speaker_05
You're like, she looks pretty sleepy right now.

00:55:08 Speaker_04
You look pretty sleepy. You must have narcolepsy. Not you're tired. Not are you staying up all night? Do you have a lot going on at your house? Are you not getting any sleep? Nah, you didn't. No, you have narcolepsy.

00:55:18 Speaker_05
Here, take a pill. I would have told them the truth. Nobody ever asked me.

00:55:22 Speaker_04
They didn't ask because they don't give a fuck. They just want to give you a pill. They want to give you a pill. Yeah, I get that. The more they prescribe, the more money they make. Let's go. And they're like, you need Provigil.

00:55:32 Speaker_05
And then I took it and then I I stopped taking it and I went back to I think Metadate which was another stimulant Wow Provigil doesn't seem like a stimulant.

00:55:42 Speaker_04
Does it did it seem like it for you? No, it wasn't and then there's new vigil new vigils another version of it I don't know what the difference is, but they both seem to work the same way I used to take it if I had a drive

00:55:52 Speaker_04
Like if I was in San Diego and I did a gig and I'm like, it's 11 o'clock, show's over, I could be home in my bed at two in the morning, latest, you know? It's not really a three hour drive unless there's traffic.

00:56:04 Speaker_04
But you know how it is if you're driving in the road and it's late at night. I don't drive anymore.

00:56:09 Speaker_05
I miss it.

00:56:10 Speaker_04
When I would be on the road and I was, is it because of narcolepsy?

00:56:16 Speaker_05
No, it's because I haven't in 10 years, so I'm not sure I remember how which My husband is like you need to learn like you know what? I make this poor man do or I have made him do the past five years So I have a cat that is he's now 14 years old.

00:56:30 Speaker_05
He is a Dick he's got a lot of health issues, but I won't let him die like I won't let him die She's like my best friend blah blah blah But we can't find anyone to watch him. We can't board him at the vet over Christmas.

00:56:42 Speaker_05
So since I met my husband, going on six years now, I've made him drive me and the cat home to my father's house.

00:56:50 Speaker_04
Where's your father's house?

00:56:51 Speaker_05
Detroit area.

00:56:52 Speaker_04
Oh my God. That's like 18 hours. With the cat. How far is it in the car?

00:56:56 Speaker_05
It's like 12 hours with the cat.

00:56:57 Speaker_04
Oh my God.

00:56:58 Speaker_05
So it's like you drive all that time, and when you get there, you're in Detroit. So a lot of people are like he's the lucky guy which and it's like no he's not he's he's Well, he's a saint it all works out. You know, but this I'm sure he's happy.

00:57:16 Speaker_05
He is happy.

00:57:17 Speaker_04
He said it's fine He's like there's not that big a deal. You're in a car for 18 hours. Just get Zen about for a cat

00:57:24 Speaker_05
That's not even a nice cat. Like, he bites. He needs daily medication.

00:57:30 Speaker_04
Can you, like, hire a friend to stay at your place?

00:57:33 Speaker_05
Sorry, you did just make a very reasonable suggestion. For a normal cat, but this cat, well like, he is feral.

00:57:49 Speaker_06
Was he an actual feral cat?

00:57:51 Speaker_05
Yeah, so I was dating my college boyfriend living out in LA and I was like, I moved in with him non-consensually, that's a whole other story.

00:57:58 Speaker_05
I got into Columbia, couldn't afford it, so I decided to stay in LA and keep interning, waiting tables, doing comedy. And we were fighting a lot, because we shouldn't have been together.

00:58:06 Speaker_05
So he got me, he's a great friend of mine now actually, but he brought me this cat as like a band-aid on the relationship that he just found in North Hollywood basically. That was like dying and sick and this has been like my... Feral cats are weird.

00:58:20 Speaker_04
They never really get unferal. No, they don't. Feral dogs can eventually become dogs again. I've seen it happen. They usually have like a fear of people but they eventually calm down like people that have gotten like stray dogs.

00:58:31 Speaker_04
I had a stray dog off the street. Yeah. I had a stray cat and that stray cat.

00:58:35 Speaker_04
I was the only one that could pick that motherfucker up Yeah, I was the only one who could pet him everybody else would he would come you come near him He hiss at you and swing at you and run away.

00:58:44 Speaker_05
Yeah, so you need perfect when my husband I went on our honeymoon we had a way I hired a vet to stay at the house

00:58:51 Speaker_05
And my sister I had her stay there too because he likes my sister But he likes he finally likes my husband now, and it took what like five years That's but like he's like I'm driving. He's like every years like I'm driving cuz every year.

00:59:02 Speaker_05
I'm like this will be the last year Probably yeah, probably cats lived like 18 years old, but this cat has had serious health problems for four Four years requiring multiple daily medications that I have to administer.

00:59:16 Speaker_05
Because not just anybody can come stay with the cat because they have to administer the medication, which is a hazardous activity for the average person.

00:59:23 Speaker_04
Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:59:24 Speaker_05
Because you have to do the syringe in the mouth. Oh, fuck. So I hold him. He'll let me do it.

00:59:27 Speaker_04
But other people.

00:59:28 Speaker_05
That's so crazy. Won't as I said, I'm gonna let him like I won't why don't you just let him go? He's probably miserable because he's stable on the medication He's happy to see me when I'm home. Like he misses me. So like he's Now talk to me a bit.

00:59:42 Speaker_05
The thing is if I'm being honest with myself, even if that weren't the answer I might still I Yeah, it's hard.

00:59:49 Speaker_04
Yeah losing a pet is very hard. You're so connected to them. Yeah, you're baby forever Well, I'm like Marshall seven. Yeah, he's my baby.

00:59:57 Speaker_05
Yeah, he's a baby boy Yeah, I'll always be a baby boy when I well, I mean this I was when I got this cat I was a cashier at Boston Market

01:00:05 Speaker_04
My life has changed. Yeah, and this cat's been with you the whole ride.

01:00:08 Speaker_05
For everything. For everything. So... I get it.

01:00:12 Speaker_04
I get it.

01:00:13 Speaker_05
And he sucks.

01:00:14 Speaker_04
I objectively like... Nobody's like, he's here, you know? Have you seen that chimp crazy thing on Netflix yet? No. Okay, it's about that lady that kept a chimp and the chimp ripped apart a friend. You know that story? No.

01:00:28 Speaker_04
I've heard it's by the same people that did Tiger King. Right? I've heard it's fucking insane. They say it's way better than Tiger King. They say it's nuts.

01:00:35 Speaker_05
Okay, I should watch this. I was really into, like, Jane Goodall as a child.

01:00:39 Speaker_04
I love Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall's odd, though. Oh, of course! She believes in Bigfoot.

01:00:45 Speaker_05
She was, I thought it was so cool when I was little how she was like, you know what? I don't want to be part of your society. I'm going to go live among the chimpanzees. I was like, you can do that?

01:00:56 Speaker_04
Yeah. This lady is lady like this. It's apparently we can't really, can we play the trailer? We'll get in trouble.

01:01:06 Speaker_04
Okay, so that is this the chimp that well there was the thing about chimps is when they're little You can kind of tell them what to do because they're little they're babies They listen to you, but then when they get to be a certain age, that's a grown adult Right for primate.

01:01:21 Speaker_04
Yeah, they're not listening to you. They'll rip your fucking nose. I don't care though and they also have like this very strong sense of fairness Okay, like one of the chimps

01:01:33 Speaker_04
there's one this guy that had a pet chimp they had for many many years then he got older and it was too difficult to control and so they brought it to a chimp sanctuary and so he goes to visit the chimp on the day of the chimp's birthday and brought him a cake like they could still visit the chimp okay they bring a cake but the other chimps are jealous that they don't get a cake and someone had left the door open so the chimps come out attack this guy rip him to pieces

01:01:57 Speaker_04
Rip his hands off, rip his dick off, rip his face off. They go for everything that makes you a person. They tear your fingers off, they tear your eyeballs out. They're not even trying to kill you, they're trying to maim you.

01:02:11 Speaker_04
They do some vicious, evil, horrible shit.

01:02:14 Speaker_05
That's a crime of passion.

01:02:16 Speaker_04
And they do it because they are mad at you. It's a different thing than a wolf. A wolf's not necessarily mad at you, it wants to eat you. A chimpanzee wants to tear you apart because it's mad at you.

01:02:29 Speaker_05
Because you didn't bring them a cake. That's fucking wild.

01:02:32 Speaker_04
So you're dealing with a low-level intelligence, jealousy, pettiness. Like like sense of fairness and then all this like alpha primate shit that comes with chimpanzees in general And then you got them captive. So they're basically prisoners.

01:02:48 Speaker_04
So they're in this cage They have nothing fun all day and someone shows up with a cake And then they just get out and tear this guy apart

01:02:58 Speaker_05
Yeah, I mean horrible.

01:03:00 Speaker_05
I feel like I've got a lot of that was hidden from me as a child Oh when I gave a presentation on Jane Goodall in school There was like a box set of two VHS tapes and one was like the happy part and then like VHS 2 was like I don't remember I don't remember what was in it, but it was like something graphic and bad that happened to the chain No to the chimps like something.

01:03:16 Speaker_04
I don't remember what it was killed them.

01:03:18 Speaker_05
I don't remember it might have been diseases I don't remember what it was all I remember is that the school called my mom because I brought him the wrong one and Wow, and I was like I Called your mom.

01:03:28 Speaker_04
Yeah, I brought in something that you didn't produce that was about chimpanzee But I like shared it and it was like a disturbing.

01:03:33 Speaker_05
I don't remember what it exactly was.

01:03:35 Speaker_04
They're gonna learn Yeah, God forbid the kids learn something that disturbs them.

01:03:39 Speaker_05
I was in trouble all the time.

01:03:40 Speaker_04
It's but how nutty is that thought? Yeah It's a real true thing. Don't you teach about the Holocaust? Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Don't you teach about Pearl Harbor and Hiroshima? Terrible things have happened. Yeah, that's true.

01:03:52 Speaker_04
Are you going to not teach about them because they're disturbing? I agree. I agree. That's so ridiculous.

01:03:56 Speaker_05
I was also, you know, teachers always had enough. I was always in trouble. So it was like, oh, look at her. There's a pick. There's a yearbook where there's a picture of the principal in the yearbook. And I'm in the picture because I'm always in trouble.

01:04:08 Speaker_04
Yeah, but isn't it interesting that you, now becoming a successful person and doing stand-up, you would see someone like that and go, oh, you're just in the wrong job.

01:04:20 Speaker_04
Like someone's trying to put you at a job at an office somewhere, and that's really not for you.

01:04:24 Speaker_05
I could never work in a normal office. I never have I've worked as a waitress and I was a bad one But sure and there's a lot of people out there to say I could never be a stand-up comedian, right?

01:04:34 Speaker_05
Yeah, and I started doing stand-up because I needed to do stand-up I mean back when I was in LA and I was my life was just going to shit and

01:04:41 Speaker_05
I the boyfriend who got me the cat and we broke up with me and shocking and then I moved into this shitty apartment and shitty neighborhood and I was still waiting tables doing Comedy and then I lost I didn't have that enough money for that apartment.

01:04:53 Speaker_05
So I had to move in with this bartender I was sort of sort of kind of seeing from my California Pete's kitchen job But not like really I was like just cuz I need to live here doesn't mean we're together together. It was a mess. I

01:05:03 Speaker_05
I had no car, I was riding the bus, I got scabies from the bus. It was a dark time. But I would get on stage and I would talk about it. And that made me feel some sense of power over the things that were making me feel powerless.

01:05:17 Speaker_05
And I was like, oh, I really like this. I could make fun of this shit and people would be laughing.

01:05:22 Speaker_05
I would talk about how broke I was and people would be laughing and I'd be like, oh, I created something out of something that I felt was gonna destroy me.

01:05:31 Speaker_04
Yes, and it's the classic story. That's the Marvelous Mrs. Maisel story. That's the Lenny Bruce story. It's the classic story. People going on stage and going, what the fuck is wrong with my life? Hey, I think I'm on to something.

01:05:45 Speaker_05
Yeah, it really was a mess. But then I kept being gravitated toward that. I mean, even the shitbag thing. I mean, so Jim Norton, who I love dearly. As do I. Yeah, yeah. God, he's great. He's the best. He's the best.

01:06:00 Speaker_05
I did his radio show after the first book came out, talking about my shitbag. And he was like, you know, Kat, he's a human being. I'm really sorry that happened to you. But as a comedian, I'm jealous.

01:06:13 Speaker_05
And I do have a lot of material from that, you know, because a lot of people hasn't happened to.

01:06:18 Speaker_04
I'm sure. I'm sure.

01:06:20 Speaker_05
And it's so, I think it's so much better to have that. People say it's like, oh, it's not like that. It's so much better to have that than to like let your trauma define you and try to like lord it over other people.

01:06:32 Speaker_05
Like you can't say this thing because this thing happened to me. No, that's not.

01:06:37 Speaker_04
But you can do that. Some people just don't have that same psychological makeup, which is my original point, is that there's a lot of people out there that shouldn't be doing regular jobs and just giving them Ritalin, I don't think is the answer.

01:06:49 Speaker_04
Like, if you're saying that you can go outside, you can play with bugs and lizards and shit, and you're fascinated. Loved it. That's what normal people are supposed to be doing.

01:06:57 Speaker_04
It's so abnormal to be sitting in a room with artificial light, at a desk, where you're not supposed to move, talking about shit that's not interesting to you. That's normal for a kid to rebel against something like that.

01:07:07 Speaker_05
I was a hellion, though. I mean, I got, like, I didn't want to do math, and I started chanting, like, no more math. I got on the table, like, I got in trouble for inciting a riot, is what they said, and my dad was like, she's six years old.

01:07:18 Speaker_05
I was just like I was a disaster. I mean fun. I was fucking fun. That's the thing I was invited to everybody's birthday, but they wanted me there at least you know what I mean I'm I'm still I'm still fine. I'm a fun person.

01:07:28 Speaker_04
It's not a bad thing But it's just the problem is the environment of schools is terrible for kids, but I have a lot of fucking energy

01:07:34 Speaker_05
But I needed school. I was valedictorian in my high school. There were 10 of us. So it was everybody who had a 4.0. But I needed to do well at school because I knew my parents couldn't afford to send me away to college.

01:07:44 Speaker_05
So I'm kind of like, if I wouldn't have been on these drugs, would I have been able to do well enough at school? Because I'm not getting a sports scholarship. You know, would I have, or maybe I would have just gone straight to college, I don't know.

01:07:55 Speaker_05
But I had to study, I had to be good at school in order to have the success that I did, at least academically.

01:08:02 Speaker_04
But then, after I graduated from college, where I got a full scholarship, I obviously couldn't afford grad school, so then... But listen, I'm hearing you talk right now, and you're not on stimulants, and you're obviously very smart, so why are you saying that you couldn't have gotten a 4.0 unless you were on stimulants?

01:08:18 Speaker_04
I don't believe it.

01:08:19 Speaker_05
Don't know.

01:08:19 Speaker_04
I feel like I might not have gotten first of all, we don't know we don't know because you've always been on them But you're not always but you're not on them right now.

01:08:26 Speaker_05
Yeah, and right now you're very sharp You know, what's funny is there's people in my real life who have known me for decades who have not had a in-person conversation with me

01:08:35 Speaker_05
People I've known my whole life who, you know, still, and you're meeting me for the first time.

01:08:40 Speaker_04
But you're very sharp and you're very fast. You don't seem like you're slowed down at all.

01:08:45 Speaker_05
Yeah, I was worried that I would be.

01:08:46 Speaker_04
Okay, but maybe that's just in your head. Maybe. And maybe you would have gotten a 4.0 either way because you're fucking smart. And maybe all that does is give you speed and you're like, you keep going.

01:08:58 Speaker_04
Maybe you would have been more introspective if you weren't on them. Maybe you would look at things slightly Maybe you'd have a more balanced and nuanced take if you weren't on fucking diesel fuel. In elementary school?

01:09:10 Speaker_04
With a fire burning inside your head.

01:09:13 Speaker_05
And I never thought I'd even consider not taking them any day, or every day. I never thought I would consider that, especially even at the beginning of my pregnancy. But that was also the first trimester, which I was exhausted because I was pregnant.

01:09:26 Speaker_05
I was like, I can't do anything.

01:09:28 Speaker_04
So when you went in, you were exhausted at first, and then you were on speed as well.

01:09:33 Speaker_05
So I was off speed and pregnant and off nicotine all at the same time.

01:09:36 Speaker_04
No, but when you found out that you were pregnant, it was because you weren't feeling well, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. While you were on speed. Yeah, I was still tired.

01:09:44 Speaker_05
Yeah, exactly. That's true. So that's why I was like, I'm still, I don't feel good.

01:09:48 Speaker_04
I think you're just a fast paced person. And I'm not necessarily sure, I'm not a psychiatrist, don't listen to me. No, of course not. Well, you are my primary care physician. I'm going to write your name down. As soon as you can.

01:10:01 Speaker_05
At least to write, I probably will.

01:10:03 Speaker_04
But that's what I'm saying. Like, are you sure?

01:10:05 Speaker_05
Yeah. So at least to write, I probably will.

01:10:06 Speaker_04
But I'm actually... But nicotine or speed?

01:10:09 Speaker_05
I don't know. I mean, I'm... That's what I'm saying. The fact that I'm even... Still, I think both, because I'll still have days where I really struggle. Right. And I forget things and I lose things. And I'll have this whole plan with my husband.

01:10:19 Speaker_05
And then I'm like, oh, shit, this is the wrong day.

01:10:21 Speaker_04
Like, I'm just like... That's what most people do. That's normal. Not to this extent. I bet it is. It's normal to be a little scatterbrained. I'm more than a little scatterbrained. I know, but you're fine.

01:10:31 Speaker_04
So like, if I was like, if I was an ethical doctor- This is water, right? No, that's coffee. This is water right here. If I was an- that's actually- There we go, great, great. See?

01:10:41 Speaker_05
I can't have coffee, that's too much.

01:10:43 Speaker_04
200 milligrams a day is all you can have?

01:10:44 Speaker_05
I had like already an Americana today. Yeah.

01:10:47 Speaker_04
If I was an ethical doctor and you came into my office and there was no financial incentive for me to prescribe medication to you, I'd say, you're fine. What's wrong with you, Kat?

01:10:56 Speaker_04
Do you know how many people would like kill or take a medication to be in the state of mind that you're at all the time? Like the way you can talk and how coherent you are and how articulate you are and fast paced. You're thinking is very quick.

01:11:09 Speaker_04
You don't need anything. Yeah, this is all in your head, but you can't write bullshit. That's not true. It's just different because you're not high.

01:11:17 Speaker_04
You're not speed it up fucking smashing keys, you still can write it don't say like you don't need a medication because writing is complicated. Yeah. Right? I'm not saying you shouldn't take it.

01:11:30 Speaker_04
I'm not saying you shouldn't have the ability to as long as you're not fucking up your baby or, you know, after all that breastfeeding stuff's done. Right. But the point is, it's like, I don't, I think this whole I need it stuff is nonsense.

01:11:40 Speaker_05
Well, it's, it's, I've, I've started to think that I'm at least might not go back to doing it every single day. Cause I was doing, I was every, every, every day, truly, except if I was in the hospital.

01:11:49 Speaker_04
Well, wouldn't it be nice to be able to go on a vacation and not have to take speed?

01:11:52 Speaker_05
Yeah, it sucks to take speed at the beach. It's not fun to be at the pool.

01:12:02 Speaker_04
I get how it's been good for you. It's been good to you. You've enjoyed, you've reaped its benefits. But I don't think you need it. I mean, for you to be here right now, sober, in the state you're at, you're as sharp as most people that I talk to.

01:12:16 Speaker_04
You're on the ball.

01:12:17 Speaker_05
Yeah, I mean, but I'm scared. I'm going to be like, would I have been better if I was on the beach? Right, but that's crazy talk!

01:12:23 Speaker_04
Of course, but that's how people stay on heroin.

01:12:24 Speaker_05
That's my whole life. I was at my first communion on amphetamines.

01:12:29 Speaker_04
Oh my god, that's so nuts.

01:12:31 Speaker_05
Like, think about all the childhood events.

01:12:33 Speaker_04
Well, maybe this baby will be an awesome reset for that. Maybe at the end of the nine months. You'll have a completely different perspective. You've been off of it so long, you realize like, wow, it's actually better.

01:12:43 Speaker_05
And I think about nicotine every day. I don't think about the medication every day. So I think I'll definitely go back to nicotine. Maybe I'll use it sometimes. Maybe not every day. I'm definitely not.

01:12:50 Speaker_04
That's what you say next to your two fist face. It was great mixing the flavors What is in the oil? What is the best like let's find I should probably call Adam and ask him But what is the best oil for vapes? That's not as bad for you. I don't know.

01:13:10 Speaker_04
How would we Google this? I don't remember. Um, how do we Google this? Is there a difference in the harm that certain vape chemicals can do and is there a healthy version of

01:13:21 Speaker_05
So there is, and this is, and I know there's one that's really bad and that was when kids were getting their lungs exploded or whatever.

01:13:28 Speaker_04
Well, there's two kids died, right?

01:13:30 Speaker_05
So, but that, I did research on this.

01:13:32 Speaker_05
I spoke to somebody who for an article, an article from National Review about this, uh, who said that she would be surprised if that chemical was in the nicotine vapes at all, because it's pretty much only necessary with THC and that it, um, it was only in like black market THC vapes basically.

01:13:50 Speaker_04
That's what I had heard.

01:13:51 Speaker_05
Yeah, there was two two different people had gotten some really tainted THC vapes and died Yeah, which vaping THC in general is just like that's not that's you never it's so it's so that's my most boomer opinion that I have is the weeds too strong like it's so strong when people are like hey you want to know cuz I don't know what's in that the vape is like who made that I

01:14:14 Speaker_04
Yeah, who put that together? Yeah, who's the chemist? What bathtub does this get fucking cooked up in? Yeah, at least if you're getting the actual cannabis plant, you know what it is, right? It's strong or it's not strong.

01:14:25 Speaker_04
You figure that out, you're gonna be fine. You're You're vaping, you don't know where in the fuck that's coming from.

01:14:31 Speaker_05
No, a few years ago I was out with my friend and I hit his weed pen and I couldn't feel my legs.

01:14:38 Speaker_05
I was like, I mentally felt not high, which is like the opposite of what I was going, I mean I wanted to feel my legs and I wanted to be high and I'm like, okay, I don't know what to do, I have to leave.

01:14:51 Speaker_05
And I couldn't feel my legs and then I got back to my apartment and then I felt completely fine. So it was just temporary paralysis?

01:14:58 Speaker_05
And I'm like I have no idea what was in that and I've never ever ever hit a vape weed pen ever again And I don't think I will you don't want to be the person that winds up in the news Yeah, yeah, I thought you're gonna say you don't want to be the person that has to go home Over the news cuz your legs stop working smoke some fucking gas and I have to tell everyone that I smoked a fuck How'd you lose your legs?

01:15:21 Speaker_05
You know, there's people in the amputation unit that's been to war or whatever.

01:15:24 Speaker_04
I went to Kwik-E-Mart and got a vape pen.

01:15:27 Speaker_05
I ripped a bootleg weed vape pen. I was trying to get high.

01:15:31 Speaker_04
Is there any benefit to the kind of oils that they use in the homemade robot type vapes?

01:15:36 Speaker_03
Googling it just brings up a bunch of websites that are trying to sell me stuff. But what I gather from those is that they're all saying you want something that doesn't have nicotine in it, which is a little strange. That's not, that's what we want.

01:15:46 Speaker_03
Then you want to add pharmaceutical grade nicotine. So that might be where the problems come in.

01:15:55 Speaker_04
But what is that word dicetyl dicetyl free I saw that a few place I seedle I don't know I seedle am I saying it right vegetable glycerin and propylene Okay, go back up again.

01:16:06 Speaker_04
Go back up again says the safest e juice ratios one that has less propylene glycol If your vaporizer allows it try to use 100% vegetable glycerin e juice

01:16:16 Speaker_05
I don't know if that's true.

01:16:18 Speaker_03
What is that? These are not from any great sources.

01:16:21 Speaker_04
Right, but when they're saying vegetable oil, are we talking about like what kind of vegetables?

01:16:26 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:16:27 Speaker_04
What's in that? Is that seed oils?

01:16:28 Speaker_03
That's all, yeah. Everything says PG or VG mix and that's what that means is the vegetable glycerin.

01:16:33 Speaker_04
Right, but what is that vegetable glycerin made out of? Is that made out of like canola oil? Like what is it made out of? Because I know someone was making it with MCT oil and they were trying to tell me this is the safe version. Some dude with a robot.

01:16:45 Speaker_04
And I love MCT oil in my vapes.

01:16:48 Speaker_05
If I found out that, I mean, I don't think it's totally healthy or I would be doing it. I mean, if I found out I was dying, I'd be getting a vape immediately.

01:16:56 Speaker_04
Here it says VG is generally recognized as safe by the US Food and Drug Administration. But to inhale? But hold on a second. As VG is vegetable-based, it has a much lower toxicity than PG, so that's propylene glycol, or nicotine.

01:17:09 Speaker_04
So it's safe to use in e-liquids for vaping. Of course, though, like many things, there's a potential for allergic reaction. But what's it made out of? Vegetable glycerin. What is vegetable glycerin made out of? Google that.

01:17:20 Speaker_04
I just want to know what they're using. Like what plants, what vegetables? Clear odor of sweetening liquid made from the vegetable oils such as palm, soy, or coconut. Okay, palm, terrible for you. Soy, terrible for you. Coconut, not bad.

01:17:35 Speaker_04
Coconut's good for you. So it's like dependent upon what kind of oil you get, you're spraying the inside of your lungs with some shit that's generally not good for consumption. Like palm oil's supposed to be bad for consumption.

01:17:48 Speaker_04
Canola oil's bad for consumption. It causes inflammation.

01:17:53 Speaker_04
Vegetable glycerin is made by heating triglyceride rich vegetable fats under pressure or with a strong alkali such as lye That's the shit that they used to get rid of bodies Yeah lies nasty it's like help people would straighten their hair out to process Yesterday the caster uh-huh and the was a beaver sacks or something right right right.

01:18:16 Speaker_03
It's a flavoring and cigarettes. I was finding

01:18:17 Speaker_04
Oh my God! I was trying to figure out which cigarettes used it but... Chris Harris was telling us that he drank this alcohol that they didn't tell him what was in it. It was a shot and inside the shot was essence of beaver.

01:18:29 Speaker_04
It turns out it's a secretion from the beaver's anal gland. Ew! And it was in his mouth for 10 days. He couldn't get the taste of it out of his mouth.

01:18:37 Speaker_05
But why do you drink that? He didn't know what it was.

01:18:39 Speaker_04
He was on my show Top Gear. Okay. And you know he's traveling in some other country. Look this is one of the local things and he drank this and It stayed in his mouth for 10 days.

01:18:48 Speaker_05
If there was like benefits, I'd get it. There's no benefits.

01:18:51 Speaker_04
It's a flavor that they add in liquor.

01:18:55 Speaker_03
Cinnamon or vanilla hints.

01:18:57 Speaker_04
But we saw it with the vodka, right? They had beaver caster vodka. So what is MCT oil in vapes? Google MCT oil in vapes. See if that's legit. Because this guy was trying to, which is essentially like coconut oils and stuff like that.

01:19:11 Speaker_03
Isn't MCT medium chain triglycerides? Yes. So this thing says it's trying to find any heating triglyceride rich vegetable fats.

01:19:18 Speaker_04
Right. But see if someone does it if they're trying to promote it as a healthy alternative to normal vape oils. MCT oil in In vapes.

01:19:31 Speaker_03
The very first thing that came up was from Weedmaps. It says, occasionally vaping MCTO may or may not be harmful to the lungs. That's so helpful.

01:19:41 Speaker_04
Just keep it on the vague side, kids.

01:19:43 Speaker_05
But I feel like also people who say that it's fine. I mean, they're probably really addicted to it, which I get because I've been there. I've been there. It's the best. If I was dying.

01:19:52 Speaker_04
Aerosolized and inhaled MCT oil can be harmful to respiratory health Michigan's banning them, but okay when you hear Michigan's banning them I go okay, but then another industry tell me that they're bad So they can sell their fucking bullshit oil vapes like there's so much fuckery going on with all this stuff especially these unregulated things Yeah

01:20:15 Speaker_04
Here it goes. It can cause lipid pneumonia. Oh boy, that's not good. Oils. When heated and inhaled, oils can cause lipid pneumonia, a serious lung condition. Yeah, I knew a family in California and their kid got pneumonia.

01:20:30 Speaker_04
He was vaping every day and he wound up dying.

01:20:32 Speaker_03
Really?

01:20:33 Speaker_04
He was like 19 years old. Yeah, apparently he was just vaping constantly.

01:20:37 Speaker_03
Six years ago. The current articles show that MCT oil combined with CBD has increased health benefits. Yeah. It says even in vape. I don't know, it's very tough.

01:20:46 Speaker_04
It's so hard to know what's true and what's not true. It's just so much fuckery.

01:20:51 Speaker_05
Yeah, I have no idea. You have no idea.

01:20:53 Speaker_04
You have so hard to know.

01:20:54 Speaker_05
And I actually was a person who trusted in terms of like doctors more in terms of then COVID happened. And it's like, I don't know how you do.

01:21:03 Speaker_04
I know.

01:21:03 Speaker_05
I was I don't know how you I mean, I know it was years. I'm still not over it.

01:21:07 Speaker_04
Well, there's just too many doctors that have a financial interest in following whatever the company line is.

01:21:13 Speaker_04
And with certain things, they're not allowed to prescribe medications because those medications aren't as profitable as the ones that they're promoted to prescribe.

01:21:20 Speaker_03
I wanted to bring this up, since you said, since we don't know, I was going to bring it up earlier while you're talking about it. This says that nicotine replacement therapy could be OK during pregnancy. Well, it's safer, but it's safer than smoking.

01:21:32 Speaker_05
There's no way I'm ripping darts while I'm pregnant, okay? I think that's for people who are like, gonna be ripping, they're like, listen, rather than smoking cigs, have nicotine gum.

01:21:41 Speaker_04
That's such a dude thing to say, because dudes can have kids. Jamie's like, whoop, that's what he says, it's fine.

01:21:47 Speaker_05
And my husband still, he still vapes. So he still vapes. And it's, you know, but I'm like, I'm, you know, I can rub that in his face a little bit that I quit.

01:21:55 Speaker_04
But definitely, oh, my friend Duncan, here's a good story. My friend Duncan has diabetes. He has the kind you get it from diet. He's a thin guy. And I found out he was feeling like shit found out he has diabetes, like, wow, this is fucking crazy.

01:22:08 Speaker_04
So cut sugar out of his life. All of a sudden, diabetes goes away feels incredible. It's like, I can't believe how much energy I had. Oh my god, I was poisoning myself all day.

01:22:17 Speaker_04
And then you know he has this like glucose monitor thing and the glucose monitor thing is kind of his glucose is too high and he's trying to figure out what it is. It's vaping because all those flavored vapes have sugar in them.

01:22:30 Speaker_04
So every time he's taking a vape off this gas station bullshit. He's got diabetes from vaping? He's probably got diabetes from vaping. That's crazy. Sugar as well, but he's vaping all day. So he's pumping the sugar into his system.

01:22:45 Speaker_04
And so he realized after he cut all the sugar out, that he was still, his sugar levels would go crazy. And it was because of vaping. So as soon as he stopped that, it went. All normalized.

01:22:55 Speaker_05
Well, sugar is crazy. Crazy. I've gotten into sugar a little bit, which sounds insane to say, but I never like now that I'm pregnant, it's like what dopamine is there available for you? Not that much. So I'll get dessert.

01:23:08 Speaker_05
But I feel like I got a pumpkin spice Frappuccino last weekend.

01:23:12 Speaker_00
Okay.

01:23:12 Speaker_05
The smallest one available. It's 12 ounces. I drank this thing. I immediately I was like, we have to go home. I don't feel good. I laid on the couch and I slept for three hours. Right, if you're not used to it. That's a coffee? Mm-hmm. I know.

01:23:24 Speaker_05
I was so sick, and I've gotten into, I was last night, I was at dinner, I was like, should I get dessert? And he was like, well, every time you do, and then you're really sick, so maybe.

01:23:33 Speaker_04
Have you seen the blizzard? When that guy takes the blizzard from Dunkin' Donuts, and he puts it next to a clear cup to show you how much, no, it's that drink, that frozen coffee drink. Yeah.

01:23:42 Speaker_04
And that frozen coffee drink has so much sugar, and he puts the clear cup next to it, so you can see how much sugar.

01:23:47 Speaker_03
Yes.

01:23:47 Speaker_04
It's 183 grams of sugar. Do you think they're right?

01:23:52 Speaker_03
There's a lot Yeah, it was yeah, don't it's blizzard. That's what it is. Oh It's called it's like it's a Dunkin Donuts one called It's like a frozen pumpkin swirl thing. It's videos on the screen.

01:24:05 Speaker_04
Okay, so this is it So this it says Dunkin Donuts doesn't say what the thing is, but it's some kind of a sugary coffee. That's so gross. Oh Sorry Derek Green for tainting the name of your wonderful blizzards. Which I'm sure has no sugar in it.

01:24:21 Speaker_04
That guy's showing you all the sugar that's in that thing. That's so insane to take that much sugar in a drink. But people do it all the time. Look at that stack of sugar cubes. That is so bananas. That's 181. So it's 34 teaspoons or 51.5 cubes of sugar.

01:24:34 Speaker_04
Holy Jesus. Giant drink that too. Yeah, but it's also got ice in it.

01:24:44 Speaker_03
Yeah.

01:24:45 Speaker_04
If you get rid of all that ice, how much of it is all sugar? It's like you're just drinking sugar and ice. And you see people walking around with those.

01:24:51 Speaker_05
And I'm like, where are you going? To the hospital for diabetes. Because I couldn't be going anywhere after having that. So like, are you drinking this? It's afternoon right now.

01:25:01 Speaker_04
Well, people get used to the sugar, and then the sugar doesn't make them crash as much.

01:25:05 Speaker_05
Yeah.

01:25:05 Speaker_04
Because I don't do that. But if I do, like if I have like a milkshake, I'll be like, oh. Yeah, like it hits me because I don't eat it all the time Yeah, but some people eat it all day long and they just their body just gets accustomed to it.

01:25:16 Speaker_05
Just like alcohol alcoholics Yes, it's it's very similar.

01:25:20 Speaker_04
It's very similar. It's a real addiction sugars a real addiction. Yeah, and it's everywhere. It's in everything It's in so many different foods that it doesn't need to be in but it makes more addictive. I

01:25:30 Speaker_05
I know, and I think it's so interesting with all the things I'm advised to do. They don't really say, like, oh, you shouldn't have a bunch of, I'm sure that's bad. I'm sure it's terrible to have a bunch of dessert.

01:25:37 Speaker_04
Yeah, you should be eating organic food. Eating healthy food. You should be eating really healthy, essential fatty acids, eating lots of salmon, things along those lines. But yeah, they don't, nobody cares about that. Nobody talks to you about sugar.

01:25:50 Speaker_04
No, they don't.

01:25:51 Speaker_05
They're like, don't have sushi, don't have turkey, don't have.

01:25:55 Speaker_04
Oh, by the way, that's a problem. The cat, the cat you have.

01:25:59 Speaker_05
I had him tested for toxoplasmosis.

01:26:01 Speaker_04
He doesn't have it. Oh, that's crazy.

01:26:03 Speaker_05
I was, I was so like, I mean, I thought for sure if he had it, I would have it because he sleeps under my chin every night. Oh yeah. But I actually, we also have a very expensive litter box. We have a robot.

01:26:14 Speaker_05
It's called the, no, it's called the litter robot. I've seen those. Do you know that it not only self cleans, it sends data to my phone in real time. So every time he uses the litter box, I get an alert on my phone letting me know. how much he weighs.

01:26:30 Speaker_05
I used to have to weigh him myself to monitor because basically if he gets overweight, he gets diabetes, he's going down. He has cardiomyopathy, which is a heart thing.

01:26:42 Speaker_04
If I was your husband, I'd be sneaking food. I'd be giving that cat ice cream. I don't know.

01:26:47 Speaker_05
He's so patient. I'm like, I don't know how he's like, he's like the cat's not even a nice cat. I'm like, I know, but you know, he has herpes to the cat, which I was really good. It's a, it's a respiratory thing in cats.

01:27:01 Speaker_05
And cause the first time he was, I was confused at first too. I caught it. I, the vet called me and told me and I was like, but he's a virgin.

01:27:07 Speaker_05
And they were like, okay, it's, it's like they pick it up as kittens and it's causes them to get a cold that comes and goes.

01:27:13 Speaker_04
Oh,

01:27:13 Speaker_05
So he takes a medication called Viralis. He takes that one also.

01:27:18 Speaker_04
How often does he take that?

01:27:19 Speaker_05
Every day, mix into his food. He has a probiotic mixed into his food.

01:27:21 Speaker_04
If you didn't give it to them, what would happen? Every now and then you get a blister?

01:27:25 Speaker_05
No, it's not. It's respiratory. He sneezes and coughs. How bad? Enough where it was like on the pillow in the morning, like gross.

01:27:33 Speaker_05
It was just I was like, oh it's just herpes, but then he also he takes steroids every day too boy and Who and a heart medication?

01:27:45 Speaker_05
I know it's a listen, but I will do I would do I would keep him out The thing is if I if you could do a ventilator like I would I'm not clone him The thing is is no because he sucks. You know what? I mean?

01:27:55 Speaker_04
Like what do you suck if you had him from a baby? Oh

01:27:59 Speaker_05
I don't know.

01:28:00 Speaker_04
Maybe it wouldn't suck. Maybe it wouldn't suck if you had him as a kid.

01:28:02 Speaker_05
If he didn't have all the trauma. Yeah.

01:28:04 Speaker_04
I guarantee you that's there's a switch that goes in those feral cats that never really shuts off. No. It's weird. It's a weird switch because like it exists in certain animals like there's when they go feral they just never come back.

01:28:17 Speaker_04
There's just a giant difference between certain domesticated animals and feral. Cats are the best example, because feral cats are so different. Domesticated cats are wonderful. Like, hey, you need a buddy? They'll pet their head up. They sit in your lap.

01:28:32 Speaker_04
They touch your legs and go up like this, up and down with their little claws. It's cute.

01:28:36 Speaker_05
He'll do that, but then he'll just bite ya.

01:28:37 Speaker_04
Like he'll decide something and pisses him off. Like I said, I had a feral cat, he used to do that too. But the difference between that and an actual cat in the wild is profound.

01:28:46 Speaker_04
They know no one's looking out for them, and that switch has already gone off. They're not being taken care of. But if you took care of them from the time he was a baby, it'd be interesting. Maybe he'd be a good cat.

01:28:55 Speaker_05
Maybe. I don't know.

01:28:57 Speaker_04
Would you be willing to do that? Clone him? Or would you think some pet cemetery shit would go down?

01:29:01 Speaker_05
Oh, no, not that. I think it'd just be so hard because what I love about him is like all this the shit we went through, you know, right? He was with me through everything. And you know, from, you know,

01:29:13 Speaker_05
He's going through all that shit in LA and then he lived with me in DC, which is a horrible place And then, you know, New York and everything. So He's like symbolic. It's the time in my life.

01:29:23 Speaker_05
I dedicated my first book to him him and Joan Rivers It was him and Joan Rivers neither of whom can read this That's what I dedicated to.

01:29:30 Speaker_04
Joan Rivers has my favorite conspiracy theory. The real kooks believe that they took out Joan Rivers when she said Michelle Obama was a man.

01:29:37 Speaker_05
Yes, that conspiracy theory. People are like look at this video look at this video. She says this and then what happens?

01:29:46 Speaker_04
So funny those those fucking the really loony conspiracy people. Oh, they're hilarious They're so there's so much entertainment and that that's one of my favorite ones

01:29:55 Speaker_05
That's Joan Rivers.

01:29:57 Speaker_04
She was 80 years old. Yes plastic surgery I know for like the 80th time like that shit is so bad for you I know getting put under is so bad for you. I know and when you're 80, it's so dangerous But it's probably addictive to get all that shit done.

01:30:10 Speaker_05
I mean, I've not had plastic surgery but when I get old I might want to like I might want to get like a facelift and

01:30:16 Speaker_04
Well, I think in the future, you won't have to do that. I think they'll have an ability to regenerate skin tissue and make your skin much healthier.

01:30:24 Speaker_04
For sure, they're already doing these things where they microneedle your face and cover your face with exosomes.

01:30:29 Speaker_05
I've done that. That I've done.

01:30:30 Speaker_04
That has a significant impact. Red light therapy has a significant impact in your skin elasticity and your collagen. But I think in the future, they're going to be able to regenerate tissue. And I think they're pretty close to that.

01:30:43 Speaker_04
Yeah, I don't think you're gonna need to get your fucking lizard face. I mean, I'll do it though I get what creeps me out though when women get a mouth. It's too big.

01:30:50 Speaker_04
Yeah, they get Joker face because they're fucking faces being pulled Yeah, so they have a smile. They always show some gum.

01:30:58 Speaker_05
I know I think it's addictive I think you get like a little bit more and a little bit more and you don't realize how crazy you start to look and

01:31:04 Speaker_04
Well, it's for sure body dysmorphia. It's the same as people who have anorexia, the same as people who are bodybuilders who think they're tiny.

01:31:13 Speaker_04
People have a propensity to develop, at least certain people do, this kind of disease where you don't see yourself as other people see you. Right. And it can get real weird if you start doing stuff to your face. Yeah.

01:31:23 Speaker_04
Like, we played a video compilation of these two brothers. I don't know what they do. They're famous for some reason, but super handsome when they're young. Like, handsome, good-looking, like, model. Looked like a model.

01:31:35 Speaker_04
And as they got older, they started shooting shit in their face, and then they became like Pinwheel from Saw.

01:31:40 Speaker_00
Yeah.

01:31:41 Speaker_04
Like, the whole thing is, like, super bizarre. And if you see the madness take place, like, over the years, like, here. So this is what they look like now. But let me show you what they used to look like when they were young.

01:31:55 Speaker_04
They were just good looking guys.

01:31:59 Speaker_04
See if you can find a video of the guy over the years, because the video over the years is wild because you get to see his face moving, you know, and you see him and you go, oh, he's like a good looking guy, like good looking normal guy.

01:32:13 Speaker_04
So this is them when they're already fucked up. But this is them when they're younger. Go back to that real quick. Look at that. They're good looking. Good looking guys. Very good looking. Like genetic lottery type shit. Yeah, like model type.

01:32:25 Speaker_04
Like right there. Great looking guy. And now look at them. They look insane. Yeah. Instead of just looking like an old, like Kevin Costner, just an older, handsome man.

01:32:34 Speaker_05
You know, it's also like, so I like, you know, and I'm very proud of having been on TV for 10 years. I have my original lips. I have my original teeth, which is like a big deal.

01:32:43 Speaker_05
People get like the big, there's a lot of bad veneers going around, like a lot of really bad.

01:32:47 Speaker_04
It's probably a lot of good ones though.

01:32:49 Speaker_05
Of course. I like, so my mom died. It'll be 10 years in November. I like that I kind of look like her. If I fucked up my face too much, I probably wouldn't look like her anymore. I like to look like myself. Yeah, that's a good thing. I don't know.

01:33:03 Speaker_05
You always think, maybe a little bit, and people go more and more and more.

01:33:07 Speaker_04
It's a dangerous road. And when actresses do it, it fucks up their career.

01:33:12 Speaker_05
I think it does.

01:33:13 Speaker_04
Well, it does for some, because they go away, because they don't look like the same person anymore. Exactly. Like the girl from Dirty Dancing? Jennifer Grey?

01:33:19 Speaker_05
I've never seen Dirty Dancing. I've never seen any movies. The only movies I've ever seen is I watch Happy Gilmore over and over again.

01:33:27 Speaker_04
You don't see any movies other than Happy Gilmore.

01:33:29 Speaker_05
So I've seen Billy Madison. How much Adderall were you doing?

01:33:32 Speaker_04
Were you watching Happy Gilmore?

01:33:34 Speaker_05
No, I just, movies are long.

01:33:36 Speaker_04
Okay.

01:33:37 Speaker_05
So I don't, I mean, but I've seen.

01:33:39 Speaker_04
So she got her nose fixed. This is like her older, but when she was younger, she had this very prominent nose and then she got it fixed and like she was unrecognizable.

01:33:48 Speaker_05
It's cool to look different from everybody else in some way.

01:33:51 Speaker_04
Yeah, but the problem is when everybody knows you as the person who looks like that, like Barbra Streisand. If Barbra Streisand got a nose job, it would be crazy. What are you doing? You're not Barbra Streisand anymore. We love the old you.

01:34:03 Speaker_04
That's what we like. We don't want you doing that. That's nuts. You're changing the shape of your nose, and it's really obvious.

01:34:10 Speaker_05
Yeah, I do recognize her.

01:34:13 Speaker_04
It's crazy when dudes do it. Like politician dudes, and all of a sudden they got that frozen forehead.

01:34:18 Speaker_05
Wasn't that Matt Gaetz that did it?

01:34:19 Speaker_04
All of a sudden he's got this, the eyebrows are up and his forehead's not moving like, hey bro.

01:34:23 Speaker_05
He looks really Real Housewives.

01:34:25 Speaker_04
Yeah, like, hey bro. You just looked different three weeks ago. You can't do that.

01:34:29 Speaker_05
Who told you you should do that?

01:34:30 Speaker_04
Yeah, I don't know. Why are you scared of a brow movement when you're a man?

01:34:35 Speaker_05
Especially as a man. I don't get why men do it at all, because men are allowed to get old. With women, it makes a little more sense. Men, it's like, if you are 80, you can have a girlfriend who's 30. It happens all the time, right? But women, not so much.

01:34:48 Speaker_04
And people cheer it on. People are like, yeah, bro! It's hilarious.

01:34:51 Speaker_05
Yeah!

01:34:53 Speaker_04
Yeah, it's like when you see Rupert Murdoch with whatever his latest wife is and she's 30 years old.

01:35:00 Speaker_05
Everybody does it. Everybody who's older, it's very common. You don't even have to be that rich.

01:35:04 Speaker_04
There's a lot of those old rich guys though that are like... bomber wise. Of course. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy to watch.

01:35:11 Speaker_05
That's why my husband's only two years older than me. So that's actually I think I'm technically like 10 years older.

01:35:16 Speaker_04
Right?

01:35:16 Speaker_05
If you take society into account, he's actually like I'm a cougar.

01:35:20 Speaker_04
Right?

01:35:21 Speaker_05
Yeah. You're going for a guy that's only two years older than me.

01:35:23 Speaker_04
crazy mm-hmm I know it's like did in general especially like with old rich guys like none of them were married anybody their age no I told him like babe I'm like you're in finance your wife's not even born yet

01:35:38 Speaker_05
But he said to me, he said that he usually gets bored in relationships, but with me, he prays for it.

01:35:44 Speaker_04
He prays for boredom?

01:35:45 Speaker_05
Yeah, he's like, I'm never bored. He's like, I wake up every day, I never know who I'm going to get.

01:35:50 Speaker_04
Oh, that's hilarious. Are you more or less stable off the amphetamines? less less less stable I'm also pregnant, right?

01:35:59 Speaker_05
So I'll be doing shit. I don't know if it's a perfect example He'll say something to me, but I'm very self-aware, which is good.

01:36:04 Speaker_05
I think I'm very sure I think so I think so I've had a lot of therapy which I think is helpful like when I've needed it I don't know I don't go all the time, but I'll be he asked me recently if I could pick some things up around like this is your stuff ever I was like

01:36:19 Speaker_05
I'll just leave. If you want me to just leave." Then I'm like, oh my God, sorry. That was a bit of an overreaction. But I don't know if that's because I'm not medicated or because I'm pregnant.

01:36:28 Speaker_04
It's probably a little bit of both. I mean, certainly there's something going on inside your body that's significant. And then on top of that, you're off speed. Yeah. That's why it'd be interesting for you to wait a little while.

01:36:36 Speaker_05
I think I'm going to, which I never thought I would.

01:36:39 Speaker_04
You probably should. You might like yourself more after nine months. Yeah. Because right now you're still in the hell of it. It is. How many months it's been since you stopped?

01:36:47 Speaker_05
So whenever I found out I was pregnant at the end of May.

01:36:51 Speaker_04
Okay, so just a couple of months.

01:36:53 Speaker_05
Yeah.

01:36:53 Speaker_04
Yeah, June, July. Oh, and we're in September now. Okay. So three months.

01:36:57 Speaker_05
Yeah.

01:36:58 Speaker_04
So this is like a new thing. You know, your body's probably still

01:37:02 Speaker_05
Equalizing, you know normalizing getting down to the regular levels and it's weird when I see myself in the mirror I still like do a jump scare cuz I'm like that who's that because I was so skinny before I was really skinny before now I have like a belly cuz I'm supposed to right, but I do a jump scare a little bit.

01:37:18 Speaker_04
Really?

01:37:18 Speaker_05
Yeah, but I'm going back out I mean, I'm going back back out on tour when the book comes out So I'm gonna be super pregnant a super pregnant five days a week on got fell two days a week on the road Wow So that's gonna be a lot.

01:37:30 Speaker_04
Are you worried about that like becoming exhausted and that that would have a detrimental effect I'm worried about being exhausted, but I'm not worried about having a detrimental effect.

01:37:39 Speaker_05
I mean Because I'm just gonna do it and I love it. Like I love being on stage. I love doing what I do Yeah, mm-hmm, but it's gonna be tough at the end.

01:37:49 Speaker_05
It's gonna be gonna do it all the way to the end Yeah, I'm doing it all the way until I can't fly anymore. So the middle of December Wow

01:37:56 Speaker_05
But I, you know, it's, my husband says he's gonna come with me, his joke, he has like a couple jokes, he has like five jokes, and one of them is he's like, I'm gonna come so she has someone to yell at, that's his bit.

01:38:06 Speaker_05
He has a few jokes, he's in the military, what else does he say? He loves when people ask him if he's ever been hunting, because then he gets to say, just people. It's another one.

01:38:14 Speaker_04
Yeah, people like that one.

01:38:15 Speaker_05
Yeah, he likes that one, I'm trying to think what else. He's got like five solid bits that he does, but, you know.

01:38:22 Speaker_04
It's crazy that you're gonna do it all the way up until nine months. Yeah, it seems well not just like stop doing it like six because I Cuz I'm gonna be rough.

01:38:31 Speaker_05
I'm a person of extremes I'm always like I want to take it to the limit every single time and I also why you're pregnant like what if you give birth prematurely when you're on the road? I don't think I will

01:38:42 Speaker_04
Well, you've had a lot of experience having babies.

01:38:44 Speaker_05
I know but they said so they said I shouldn't fly past 34 weeks So that would be December 28th ish and my last show is I think December 15th So I'm just listening to what they're telling me.

01:38:56 Speaker_04
That's good.

01:38:57 Speaker_05
But I and I also I think it's gonna be I Really like this. I'm really passionate about the subject matter. You know, I'm I love doing the shows and it's Why wouldn't I do it other than you know what you just mentioned? Oh

01:39:11 Speaker_04
It's funny that people would instantly want to label you as a right-wing person because you're on Fox Yeah, and also it's funny that just people do that anymore.

01:39:20 Speaker_04
Yeah, whatever they did when they first created Fox because the Fox was essentially the first real opinion based news source that was very right-wing that was on television and then that gave the rise to or at least gave

01:39:34 Speaker_04
some of the motivation to places like CNN to develop these editorial-based shows and opinion-based perspectives that really annoyed and polarized so many people.

01:39:44 Speaker_04
And it used to be that there were certain stations that would have objective news, and you'd get objective news, and you'd have right-wing people giving their perspective and left-wing people. Look, Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley

01:39:56 Speaker_04
Debated live on television multiple times in a row and it was like one of the biggest events on TV at the time Like people were allowed to have differing opinions and they'd be on a show and we would let them talk things through Yeah, and even then I'm sure it was polarized.

01:40:13 Speaker_04
It's always going to be people are always gonna be tribal But today it's so much more ridiculous that at any time I could ever remember in my life. I

01:40:21 Speaker_05
Well, I think that one of the biggest problems with today is not just that there's a lack of independent thinking, but that people have difficulty even perceiving it when it happens.

01:40:31 Speaker_05
So if I say something that is critical of Kamala, then people are like, oh, she's MAGA. She's super MAGA. Or if you say something critical of Trump, then it's like, oh, well, you're a communist, and you're going to vote for.

01:40:43 Speaker_05
And they don't even perceive that, hey, maybe someone could be this other thing, where they just kind of don't fall into either camp.

01:40:50 Speaker_05
I get that people yeah, you just have a point and just listen to what the point is But it's in the parties don't mean anything in a lot of sense it like I've been at Fox for almost 10 years now So I used to get shit on for I'm super anti-war.

01:41:04 Speaker_05
I'm an anti-war person and Um, I think, you know, it's, it's a lot of it. And I think we know they lie to us about a lot of these things.

01:41:13 Speaker_05
And then we know that people get promoted and they get rich who work and you know, they move on from working as generals to working in weapons companies, etc. We know all this stuff.

01:41:21 Speaker_05
But that used to be something that the left would agree with me on and the right would yell at me about. And then it was Trump was becoming anti-war with Ukraine and then it was reversed.

01:41:29 Speaker_05
Then I was like I'm a Trump puppet for thinking and saying the things that I've always thought. So it's just people it's just people even notice that though.

01:41:38 Speaker_04
Right.

01:41:38 Speaker_05
They don't even notice it as it's happening.

01:41:40 Speaker_04
Because they're really just committed to their tribe. Exactly. It's these blue no matter who people or red till dead people.

01:41:47 Speaker_04
And you can trick them into, this is one of the reasons why if I was the grand manipulator of the world, if I really believe there's one cabal of super geniuses that's running everything, I would try to see if I could do that.

01:41:58 Speaker_04
I would say let's see if we can get the left to support censorship, pro-war, invasive politics like entering into people's homes and classrooms and siphoning up their information in order to protect trans kids in fucking Detroit or whatever it is.

01:42:16 Speaker_04
Come up with some fucking reason and make everybody get a part of a centralized digital currency because that's better for everybody. Put everybody on an app so we know if you're vaccinated.

01:42:24 Speaker_05
That's the left!

01:42:26 Speaker_04
If I wanted to show that people are so easily manipulated that there is no left, there is no right, it's mostly nonsense.

01:42:32 Speaker_04
It's mostly people just subscribing to a predetermined pattern of beliefs and behaviors that they think is good and makes them a part of the tribe.

01:42:42 Speaker_05
It's exactly what it is. Yeah, it's exactly what it is. And it because when people people say, Oh, you moderate this, I'm like, moderate, according to what, what are these two pillars that have been set up? They're not, it's not real, right?

01:42:53 Speaker_05
And it's always changing.

01:42:55 Speaker_04
It's and it goes so far to the left and so far to the right. Yeah, that What used to be crazy is now normalized. Like hormone blockers for kids.

01:43:05 Speaker_04
Like being able to take away parents' rights because the child wants to transition and they want to be able to do it without the parents say so. And they're 13, 14 years old. Fucking crazy.

01:43:17 Speaker_05
The stuff with the schools is crazy to me because it shouldn't matter what it's about.

01:43:22 Speaker_04
But there's never been a time in history where we would have accepted that.

01:43:25 Speaker_05
No. to say that you can't tell the parents what's going on with the kids at school is to say that the state has more ownership over your kids than you do. That's some creepy communist shit.

01:43:37 Speaker_04
And it's not just creepy communist shit, but it's prescribed. It's like this is what you're supposed to believe in if you want to be a part of the progressive left.

01:43:47 Speaker_05
Yeah, but then of course the right takes it too far, being like, no drag queens, you know.

01:43:51 Speaker_04
You should definitely be allowed to be a drag queen, but I don't know if you should have drag queen story hour for five-year-olds when there's no parents around.

01:43:58 Speaker_05
And also when the kids can't read or do math is my thing. I think that all of this stuff, it's also very, I've noticed, it became more of an argument after COVID.

01:44:08 Speaker_05
I think there's a lot of distraction from, hey, these kids lost a lot, because I think it's so crazy how it's this radical idea to say the Department of ... When Trump said, I'd give her the Department of Education, people go, he hates kids.

01:44:19 Speaker_05
It's like, okay, well, look what they did, and look what they're continuing to do. I mean, kids are not- Well, look at the results.

01:44:26 Speaker_04
Yeah, exactly. Look at the results in this country. The academic results are terrible.

01:44:29 Speaker_05
There was no school for two years some places.

01:44:31 Speaker_04
Just getting rid of a department or disbanding a department doesn't mean you don't fund that thing anymore. But it probably would be better if there was something more competitive. Exactly.

01:44:41 Speaker_04
Because if you just give it, just like we're talking about the homeless problem in California, if you just give it to an organization, institutions, a government funded institution has no obligation to be profitable, has no obligation to be effective.

01:44:54 Speaker_04
And you just say, we're spending a lot of money on the homeless problem. And what you've really done is just employ a bunch of people and they've done very little. No.

01:45:02 Speaker_05
Well, they've done a lot in terms of probably their own incentives and their own power.

01:45:06 Speaker_04
And you can apply that to basically infrastructure, education, everything. It's just the same kind of thing. It's like, I'm not this person says the free market will figure out everything.

01:45:17 Speaker_04
But in a lot of cases, you'd be better off with some competition. So you'd force people to be more effective. You'd force results. You would force people to be accountable for whatever decisions they've made and what the results of those decisions are.

01:45:32 Speaker_04
There's no accountability.

01:45:33 Speaker_00
Right.

01:45:33 Speaker_04
There's no accountability. And that's a real problem in this country. And that used to be something that the left feared. The left used to fear corporate interference and big business and big government. They used to fear that.

01:45:46 Speaker_04
They used to fear all that stuff. And now they're all in on it.

01:45:48 Speaker_05
It's so weird. Yeah. And for me, I mean, I'm a huge, I mean, First Amendment is so important, right? That's if you don't have that, you don't have anything. Well, you don't have a job without it. I don't either. No, of course, I go to jail.

01:46:02 Speaker_05
I would be in jail a long time ago.

01:46:04 Speaker_04
Think about what they're putting people in jail for in England. Just posting things on Facebook.

01:46:08 Speaker_05
But I get shit from both sides for depending on what I'm defending in terms of something being constitutional. I mean, obviously with the left, it's like,

01:46:18 Speaker_05
What also drew what was crazy to me is people a lot of the same people were the Trump is Hitler people We're also the hate speech laws people which is like how can you think this government?

01:46:26 Speaker_05
That's led by Hitler should be in control of what you can and can't say that doesn't make sense to me but sometimes I also flag burning has to be constitutional because you have to be able to like buy a flag and If you can't burn a flag you bought like come on like that's government protest you have to be able to do that I don't like it.

01:46:43 Speaker_05
I would never do it, but you shouldn't put people in jail for it. Yeah

01:46:47 Speaker_04
Yeah, Trump said he wants to put people in jail for a year.

01:46:49 Speaker_05
Yeah, and I was like, dude, it's like, you know what I mean? Like, he got shot. He looked awesome when he got shot. I mean, really, I mean, if I got shot, I would not look that cool.

01:46:59 Speaker_06
Right.

01:46:59 Speaker_05
Fist pumping. No, no, I'd be like, pretty gangster. Yeah, it was amazing. When he got shot, I was like, oh, he won. I really thought after he got shot, I was like, he just won the election.

01:47:09 Speaker_04
Well, I think they did, too. That's why they shuffled Biden out and put Kamala in. Yeah, I think so, too. And they're like, let's just gaslight these motherfuckers into a coma and push this through.

01:47:18 Speaker_05
Yeah, I think so, too. I think so, too.

01:47:20 Speaker_04
If they had a full year of Kamala versus Trump, like a full year of her running and doing interviews, we'd have a much more balanced understanding of who she is and how this is going to look and what it's going to be like if she becomes president.

01:47:33 Speaker_04
Because right now people are just riding on gas. They're fucking riding on gas.

01:47:40 Speaker_05
But it's so powerful, and you can see it, everybody's in on her. That's really powerful. People are excited about her. Alexa's in on her. Alexa's in on her. That Alexa thing's crazy. Pop culture, you know, everyone's in on it, and it's also...

01:47:56 Speaker_05
We're in this, I hate election years, because it's just like, if you don't vote for blank, this whole country is going to go down, like both sides say it. So it's just like, it's no, whoever wins, it's going to be shitty and just in different ways.

01:48:12 Speaker_05
And maybe some of the same ways. It's just not.

01:48:15 Speaker_04
What do you think would be the shittiest? Like, not in terms of for the country, but in terms of people's reaction. Do you think more violence will take place if Trump gets in office, or more violence will take place if Kamala gets in office?

01:48:27 Speaker_04
Because I anticipate there's going to be some craziness after the election. Of course. Once someone decides, whoever someone is, whoever's president, whenever it gets decided, there's going to be some madness. You're going to be some real madness.

01:48:40 Speaker_04
And I get scared of that kind of stuff, too, because I know that a lot of times when people do that, they think they're making a point.

01:48:46 Speaker_04
But boy, if you're against government control, those kind of like real angry riots and protests are an amazing opportunity for them to clamp down on your rights.

01:48:56 Speaker_05
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. When that happens, it's like, okay, well, then we need to federalize police and this and that it's like, it's crazy. I really do. I am concerned about it for the same reasons for the absolutely.

01:49:11 Speaker_05
And it's gonna be bad, no matter what, in terms of the reaction of the other side. I mean, people, I I'm not looking forward to it. I'm like, I can't wait for this election to be over. And then I'm like, oh, it's going to be even worse.

01:49:23 Speaker_04
It probably will. I mean, especially if you believe the conspiracy theories that some of that stuff is funded, like some of that stuff is organized. Some protests and riots, they seem to be organized. Right.

01:49:33 Speaker_04
And I'm not going to be a conspiracy theorist, but there is a thing called an agent provocateur. It's always existed. And they send people in to disrupt protests and turn them violent and make things chaotic. That's always been the case.

01:49:45 Speaker_04
especially if they want to push a very specific agenda, that, you know, the people are fed up and they're angry. And so when, remember when the George Floyd riots were going on and they'd find pallets of bricks just laying around?

01:49:59 Speaker_04
Yeah, well that was crazy because I anybody ever some people had like reasons for certain bricks being in places Yeah, but there was a few of them where they're like people just said that they just got dropped off there And that's exactly where everything popped off.

01:50:12 Speaker_04
Like what why are there pallets of bricks? There's never just pallets of bricks.

01:50:16 Speaker_05
Yeah No, I have no yeah that I have no idea if you were gonna organize a riot

01:50:21 Speaker_04
Wouldn't you just leave some bricks? I'd break some bricks. I'd leave some bricks.

01:50:23 Speaker_05
For my riot, yeah.

01:50:24 Speaker_04
If I was like, look, this is what we're going to do. We're organizing, we're spending all this money to get these college kids to invest in this.

01:50:30 Speaker_04
Then we're going to bring in Antifa and they're going to go crazy and we're handing out masks and then we're going to leave bricks around.

01:50:36 Speaker_05
And I also think it's sad because I think that there were

01:50:40 Speaker_05
Definitely legitimate points to be made and are about criminal justice I think but boy was that handled the war I mean, so they go from that to people to people, you know setting buildings on fire and then CNN doing the you know, mostly fiery but mostly peaceful with

01:50:57 Speaker_05
Famous it's like come on.

01:50:58 Speaker_05
You don't got to defend that you know like nobody like people you look ridiculous exactly But then it got completely bungled and so in the name of criminal justice reform now It's like people who are actual violent criminals can be allowed out easier nobody wanted that So then now the pendulum is gonna swing in the other direction where you know it's gonna be even more law and order and it's gonna be and

01:51:22 Speaker_05
But like you said, it's going to be rights at stake, civil liberties at stake, which is what this was supposed to be all about to begin with.

01:51:28 Speaker_04
Well, this is the ultimate goal of, I mean, again, I'm not saying this is happening, but this would be the ultimate goal of a communist dictatorship.

01:51:36 Speaker_04
You cause chaos, you step in to stop the chaos, you install new rules to make sure that there's no more chaos anymore. You protect, you cause a problem.

01:51:46 Speaker_05
You bring up a solution that solution allows you to gain more control and you just keep doing it You keep doing it until you have ultimate control over the people Yeah, and I'm not saying it's happening either but in general it's moving in general The fear is used by the government a lot, right?

01:52:00 Speaker_05
It's really I mean even going back to talking about war and a week national security and we need to do this next thing You know, I mean look at the Patriot Act.

01:52:09 Speaker_06
Yeah

01:52:10 Speaker_05
I mean people were like you have to be able to to protect you doing this Banning tik-tok all these things and you look into what they're really doing and the power that it would really give them It's like oh, this isn't about really just banning tik-tok What did Kamala Harris say recently about Elon Musk and Twitter having to follow the same rules as Facebook?

01:52:30 Speaker_05
Yeah, what did she say? I don't know, I didn't hear what she said.

01:52:32 Speaker_04
It was something about how Elon's gonna have to follow the same rules as Facebook. First of all, what rules?

01:52:42 Speaker_04
And also, didn't Mark Zuckerberg just come out with a statement saying that he regretted giving in to the government's request to take down COVID-19 information? Yeah. Yeah, and then the Hunter Biden laptop story.

01:52:58 Speaker_04
He just came out with, like, it was a big statement. Because for a lot of people, they were really furious about it.

01:53:04 Speaker_04
Claim, a video clip portrays Harris saying that she will shut down X. I don't think she said she would shut it down if she wins 2024 presidential election and Musk has lost his privileges. The fact that's false.

01:53:15 Speaker_04
Harris was referring to Trump long before Musk and Twitter rebranded it as X. Um, so is that what she was saying from that video?

01:53:24 Speaker_04
So was the video her saying that why should Trump, uh, why should Twitter be allowed to have Trump on if Facebook can't have him on? Is that what it is?

01:53:36 Speaker_03
When I'm looking for the video, I'm seeing is like 20 within the last 24 hours post save a claim is false.

01:53:42 Speaker_04
Right, but that is not what we were talking about, though. We were talking about something slightly different. Let me see if I can find it for you.

01:53:47 Speaker_03
Fact check, does she want to shut down X? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

01:53:51 Speaker_04
I'm not saying that she said she would shut it down. What I'm saying is that she was saying that why should Twitter not have to follow the same rules that are being followed by Facebook?

01:54:03 Speaker_03
Right, what I typed in was Kamala Harris Twitter rules, so that's the videos that were popping up.

01:54:08 Speaker_04
Here, I'm sending it to you right now, Jamie. This is what I'm looking for. Okay, so I need to know what she's referring to here. But like, listen to this statement. Yeah, I think this is from that. Go ahead and play it. Let's see what it says.

01:54:23 Speaker_04
So she's probably talking about Trump being on Twitter. Is that what it is?

01:54:26 Speaker_03
She's talking to Jake Tapper. Right.

01:54:30 Speaker_08
You can't say that you have one rule for Facebook and you have a different rule for Twitter. The same rule has to apply, which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power.

01:54:43 Speaker_08
They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation. And that has to stop.

01:54:53 Speaker_04
Okay, right away. There's no way to misconstrue that. What does that mean? Oversight and regulation for free speech is ridiculous. Just that alone, there's no way to misconstrue that. What she was saying is what I was thinking she was saying.

01:55:08 Speaker_04
She was saying she wants government oversight and regulation for social media.

01:55:13 Speaker_05
That's crazy.

01:55:14 Speaker_05
It's crazy for anyone to want it, because if the only reason you want it, right, is because you agree with the ideological bent of the platform, wait until someone else is in charge of it, or wait until there's a different government in charge.

01:55:26 Speaker_04
It's also saying that the very thing that Mark Zuckerberg regrets should be happening. Like, she's essentially saying, why should they have different rules for Facebook than they do for Twitter? Like, what rules? What rules? We don't have rules.

01:55:39 Speaker_04
We have First Amendment rights of free speech.

01:55:42 Speaker_05
I think it actually is even crazy that he's admitting that, you know?

01:55:45 Speaker_04
I mean, good for him. Absolutely. Trump said something pretty scary for him. He said that if he finds out that he interfered with the election, he's going to be in jail for the rest of his life. That's pretty scary.

01:55:54 Speaker_04
That's pretty fucking scary because it's very likely that he might wind up being the president. And if he winds up being the president, they start investigating this stuff. If I was Mark Zuckerberg,

01:56:03 Speaker_04
I'd be pretty fucking freaked out by that statement, because it is election interference.

01:56:09 Speaker_04
For sure, whoever was running Twitter, who gave in to the FBI's request to take down the Hunter Biden laptop story, they definitely interfered with the way people voted.

01:56:19 Speaker_04
Because if people found out that that laptop was legitimate and all that stuff was true, there's a certain percentage, I don't know what the number is, but there's a certain percentage of people that were maybe on the fence and that could have influenced their vote one way or another.

01:56:33 Speaker_04
And it could have given Trump fuel because he could have been talking about it. See, I told you that this was real and they've been lying. And it would also prove that Biden lied during the debates.

01:56:43 Speaker_05
I don't understand how anybody didn't think it was real though because Hunter never even did not like he was when all those people signed that letter all those intelligence people one former intelligence 51 signed it guess who didn't sign it Hunter Biden

01:56:58 Speaker_05
Right, that's what I thought from them.

01:57:00 Speaker_05
I was like, okay if that was me and Someone was saying there was a laptop going around of me, you know It's doing all this shit banging all these people on camera and smoking all these drugs I'd be like that I would be like that was not me I would be like, you know, that'd be pretty important for me to come out and say that if it happened today You could claim it was AI.

01:57:21 Speaker_05
Yeah, well that's out there with everybody me included sadly and

01:57:25 Speaker_04
forever forever yeah and not only that it's going to change and get way more complex and there's nothing you can do about it because you knock it down it's like whack-a-mole it's like then there's another one then there's another one there's nothing you do about that but that you know with all this stuff this talk like that whatever she was saying right there is not what you want to hear from some no you don't you don't want to hear they're going to censor social media talking specifically about senator warren talking about uh banning president trump's account and that was her response to it

01:57:53 Speaker_04
Yeah, but she was also talking about oversight. She talked about oversight, very specifically and clearly.

01:57:58 Speaker_03
Yeah, it has the quote right here.

01:58:00 Speaker_04
Yeah. And what's the rule that she's talking about? The same rule should apply, which is there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to understand their power.

01:58:08 Speaker_04
They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level of oversight or regulation, and that has to stop. That's all you need to hear.

01:58:18 Speaker_04
Like, that right there is not something you want to hear from someone who respects the First Amendment. That's not how it's supposed to be. Also, who's they? It's just a collection of people.

01:58:27 Speaker_04
Not only that, if you're talking about oversight and regulation, are you talking about the exact same people that were trying to get Twitter and successfully did get Twitter to take down the Hunter Biden laptop?

01:58:37 Speaker_04
Making it possible to share that video saying that it was a misinformation when it was not and if you don't do anything to correct and to hold people responsible that Pushed out that misinformation and no one's punished for and there's no retribution.

01:58:50 Speaker_04
There's no there's no repercussions at all, right? Like what are you saying? Then then what are you saying?

01:58:55 Speaker_04
It's okay If your side says things that aren't true and you can regulate in a way that's not based on fact or reality But based on a result that you want to take place and that's fine So we did we don't have freedom of speech.

01:59:09 Speaker_04
No, of course not and then then you're talking nonsense. This is talking crazy time Maybe she believed it was real back then.

01:59:15 Speaker_04
Maybe she believed it was real Who knows maybe she believed it was important that they got but if you got a hold of the Twitter files and you see what Michael Schellenberger and Mattie be and all those people that went through that stuff with a fine-tooth comb the stuff that they found out

01:59:27 Speaker_04
Should make you realize, like, no, you can't have the government tell you what you can and can't say. They don't always tell the truth. They're often influenced. Sometimes you have rogue actors.

01:59:38 Speaker_04
You probably have one or two people that's responsible for making the call to Facebook or to Twitter. So it's on them. It's on these people with whatever fucking influence that they have and whatever people are talking to them behind the scenes.

01:59:50 Speaker_04
We can't have that kids. It's bad for everybody.

01:59:53 Speaker_05
Yeah. And just the idea that there's certain information that's misinformation is just the government. Government sanctioned information.

02:00:00 Speaker_04
But they can't even let you debate it. They want to stop it. As soon as they want you to stop it. The only solution to bad information is good information. Of course.

02:00:08 Speaker_04
That's how it's supposed to be if they want to stop you from saying something and then it turns out That what you were saying was true No one should trust them ever again. There should be some sort of a comeuppance and there's no comeuppance.

02:00:20 Speaker_04
There's no discussion of it It's never talked about it's just plowed on through and we move on to the next thing with no Acknowledgement at all that you guys fucking bullshitted us and lied to us for years

02:00:32 Speaker_05
Years and now you want to control social media to stop lies and the lab leak theory is one that really I mean people's careers were destroyed over being like maybe this virus came from this lab full of viruses where it was found right outside of and they were like you fucking crazy ass you should but it was only because certain information was seen as acceptable and sanctioned and certain information was seen as not

02:00:56 Speaker_04
It's way creepier than that. There's a vested interest. Actually suppressing it. No, I get it. There's a business behind it, and they use their money and their influence and their control of the media to fuck you. You got bullshitted.

02:01:08 Speaker_04
You got bullshitted by business. And business, they got together with media, and they all had a plan. What are you playing, Jamie? What are you watching over there? More bullshit. It's just there's so much bullshit, but also less bullshit

02:01:25 Speaker_04
If you think about overall, because there's way more truth now, right? Like you get way more independent journalism than we've ever had access to in the history of the human race. And you get so much of it.

02:01:37 Speaker_04
So you get all this media propaganda and mainstream bullshit. But on top of that, you get a lot of Jimmy Doors. You get a lot of independent people that are telling the truth. You get the Glenn Greenwalds. You get the Matt Taibbi.

02:01:49 Speaker_04
You get all these people that are just telling you, Michael Schellenbergers, telling Barry Wise, telling you what the fuck is actually going on and not attached to some large corporation.

02:01:59 Speaker_05
Yeah, but it's also saying the government is the only one that's allowed to be wrong, because if what they say is misinformation turns out to be true, as was so many things, that's okay.

02:02:09 Speaker_04
Right, but it's not just wrong. You were lying. Of course.

02:02:12 Speaker_05
Of course. Like Fauci being like, oh, we made up six feet. Like, oh, we didn't really know. It's just actively lying. Yes, absolutely.

02:02:17 Speaker_04
There's a difference between being wrong about something and just lying, and then getting truth removed. You know and shaming doctors from Stanford and Harvard and making them out to be kooks Some of the people that were the top of their field.

02:02:32 Speaker_04
Yeah, and they had dissenting opinions because they're experts Yeah, and they're watching this bullshit go down by bureaucrats and they're like you motherfuckers and people say Just stay home that drove me nuts.

02:02:43 Speaker_05
I feel like how can you say that when you're still at work? Oh When you're still at work, right? I mean, I was lucky to still have my job. And people had to shut down.

02:02:52 Speaker_05
Even New York's not the same anymore as it used to be because a lot of these businesses closed down forever. What made New York so special was a lot of those small businesses, restaurants, things like that.

02:03:00 Speaker_05
They can't afford to be open and just not have customers for that long. So now a lot of that's like Dunkin Donuts.

02:03:06 Speaker_04
Are you seeing the difference in New York with the spike of immigrants?

02:03:10 Speaker_05
I haven't really, I don't go outside that much.

02:03:12 Speaker_04
There was some recent statistic about the percentage of violent crimes, robberies and assaults that were created by migrants, illegal immigrants that are in New York right now.

02:03:26 Speaker_05
Yeah, I'm not familiar with that.

02:03:28 Speaker_04
I mean, I also truly don't go any like I go to work in my apartment And that's pretty much I was gonna read the article, but I saved it see if you can find it though Because I thought it'd be an interesting thing to talk about like at what point in time like I know that Eric Adams the the mayor is like stop coming here go somewhere else and Kathy Olson's like get out of here go somewhere else, but

02:03:46 Speaker_05
You still have a sanctuary city and you still are paying them to stay there That's the thing that gets me is I'm somebody if you are nonviolent you want to come contribute to our economy Then I think you should be welcome to do so, but the incentives where you're paying for things here.

02:04:00 Speaker_04
It is the immigrants It's on New York Post migrants flooding New York City's justice system making up 75% of arrests in Midtown as pathetic sanctuary city laws handcuffed cops and

02:04:12 Speaker_04
Yeah, I saw this thing where someone was complaining to these cops about someone doing something illegal and they said we can't arrest him because This is a sanctuary city and they're migrants like that You just do wild it was somewhere in Colorado.

02:04:26 Speaker_04
So like you could just do wild things and no one could do anything because You're in a sanctuary city

02:04:32 Speaker_05
And I think it's terrible. I think it should be very simple. I think that if you want to come contribute to the economy and you're nonviolent, you should be free to do so. I don't think we should be paying people, I mean, to come over to the cities.

02:04:43 Speaker_04
What do you think they're doing? Yeah, that's what they're doing. What do you think they're doing? Why do you think they're doing it this way?

02:04:48 Speaker_05
I mean, there's many explanations. There's a bunch of conspiracies. And then there's also the idea of people not wanting to be called xenophobic.

02:04:58 Speaker_04
Yeah, but not wanting to be called xenophobic doesn't mean you have an open border. The idea of just completely abandoning any idea of security concerns.

02:05:06 Speaker_05
Yeah, I think it could be more... It's sad because there are people who want to come here and work and should be able to and have problems. They can't come here.

02:05:14 Speaker_05
But then there's people who just... It's not even the problem... You don't even blame... You come here, you get a free this, you get a free that, free place to stay. Why wouldn't these people all come?

02:05:23 Speaker_04
Right. Do you think they're bringing them in here to buy votes, though?

02:05:25 Speaker_05
I'm not convinced.

02:05:27 Speaker_04
That's the most interesting one. I'm not convinced by that. Well, Nancy Pelosi was on Bill Maher and she was talking about providing a path for them to all be citizens. And that's what she wants to do, make them documented, document them.

02:05:39 Speaker_05
Aren't a lot of people from these countries conservative, though?

02:05:41 Speaker_04
Well, it depends on which countries. From Cuba, for sure.

02:05:44 Speaker_05
There's definitely people who are also conservative.

02:05:46 Speaker_04
But the thing is, most people look out for their best interests, and you can buy them.

02:05:50 Speaker_04
I mean, if you're the party that let them through and gave them money and allowed them to establish a foothold in America, and now their family's here and they're doing much better, well, you would definitely vote Democrat, because they're the people that hooked you up.

02:06:02 Speaker_04
That just seems like a natural human incentive without even having to bribe them to do it.

02:06:07 Speaker_04
If you're giving them loans and helping them get houses and making it so they can vote and giving them a clear path to citizenship, that seems like if I came here from Guatemala and I didn't know a lot about our political system and the people that hooked me up, I'd stick with them.

02:06:22 Speaker_04
So you probably are going to get a higher percentage of those people that if you can ever do this and create a path with these people who are illegal immigrants and enter into the country illegally can get a quick path to you would have a lot more voters.

02:06:36 Speaker_04
A lot. You'd have a lot. I mean it doesn't seem it sounds crazy to say but it doesn't seem crazy to try if you're trying to figure out a way that you can win and win in the future like almost every time. Wouldn't you like just bring in voters?

02:06:51 Speaker_05
I mean, I've obviously heard the argument before. I'm not super convinced by it. I think that there's many other things that play into it.

02:06:58 Speaker_05
But in general, my problem is with the extremely large welfare state in general and where the money goes and how bad the government is at spending money. Same thing as California's in New York.

02:07:12 Speaker_05
I mean, there's was so much money spent wasn't a Bloomberg or excuse me De Blasio's wife that was in charge of like the homeless Mental health initiative.

02:07:19 Speaker_04
They weren't they missing a bunch of money.

02:07:21 Speaker_05
It's like I'm sitting there I used to live in Hudson Yards and my husband and I are sitting in at this week We've since moved but we're saying that we were looking down in the park watching like some dude get a blowjob from you know, some

02:07:32 Speaker_05
crackhead blowing someone else and it's like I feel like the there's a lot still going on here with this mental where's my money all going right in general and I feel like with you know immigration I think also the two sides there's a lot of incentives that people get from politically

02:07:52 Speaker_04
Yeah, you know well about the dreamers labor.

02:07:54 Speaker_04
Here's the thing about cheap labor, and this is what Tim Dillon's been saying He said he's like he thinks they're bringing in cheap illegal labor, and that's why Construction businesses like if you kicked out all the illegal immigrants.

02:08:06 Speaker_04
He was like a lot of construction business fucked They'd be fucked and he said there's a lot of people that don't want those jobs anymore And they're sneaking in people to fill those jobs He thinks that's part of it and that makes sense, but you ever see that documentary wild wild country mm-hmm

02:08:22 Speaker_04
It's fucking great. It's on Netflix. And it's all about this cult that put together this compound in the Pacific Northwest. And one of the things they did is they brought in homeless people by the buses. They found all these homeless people.

02:08:36 Speaker_04
You can be a part of our community. And these homeless people get there like, wow, finally I have a place I belong. These people were all psyched. They belonged to this community. And then they voted. So they took over the whole town by busing in voters.

02:08:47 Speaker_04
So they brought in these voters. They just grabbed homeless people from everywhere. And they integrated into the community. That's a South Park episode. They had them vote, but they really didn't. This is like in the 80s or 90s. So they had them vote.

02:09:00 Speaker_04
What year was that? What year did that take place? It might be the 2000s. Anyway, had them vote. And then once they took over the town, they kicked all the homeless people out. Get the fuck out of here.

02:09:09 Speaker_04
And the homeless people were like, I thought you loved me. political pawns

02:09:26 Speaker_05
Well, it's the same thing as, remember how the Dream Act, the Dreamers, was like such a big deal when Trump said he was going to remove the protections? But then, okay, so why have they not been protected now? So why has there been no bill?

02:09:40 Speaker_05
If everybody cares so much, but people, they don't care. That's like my overarching belief is just that politics, they just don't care about you.

02:09:48 Speaker_05
That makes people fight in their real life with people on the behalf of people that don't even care you exist.

02:09:54 Speaker_04
They can't. They can't care. There's too many people. I mean, just imagine wanting that job, first of all.

02:10:00 Speaker_05
No, I can't.

02:10:01 Speaker_04
And then imagine like the stress of how is Trump doing it at 78 years old? How is he dealing with the stress of doing this? No. And he's doing podcasts and it's like, what the fuck? He's on a podcast with Theo podcast with Theo is amazing.

02:10:16 Speaker_04
Yeah, I did one with Lex yesterday So it's just like how do you have the energy to keep that fuck that job? I would never And how can you you can care as much as you want about you could try to care But there's so many things to care about.

02:10:33 Speaker_04
Yeah, there's so much going on and everything's a fucking fire. Everything's on fire. The economy's on fire

02:10:39 Speaker_05
International relations on fire the economy I went I mean I went and got Two coffees and two shitty egg sandwiches with my husband the other day shitty ones You know the ones that are pre-made and you just heat them in the heat. It was over $60

02:10:51 Speaker_04
What? Yeah. Is that New York City?

02:10:53 Speaker_05
Yeah. Fucking get out of there. Why are they doing that? Work. That's it. I don't know.

02:10:58 Speaker_04
Is Fox stupid? Why don't they move their fucking business to Connecticut tomorrow?

02:11:01 Speaker_05
Move anywhere. I'm all about it because that's the only reason I'm there. Yeah, go somewhere else. And I don't go out, right? I guess it's fun if you're young. But when I was there and I was young, I was poor.

02:11:10 Speaker_05
So I never really got... Now I'm married and pregnant, so I'm not really going out, right? I'm going home and to work and home and to work.

02:11:16 Speaker_04
And you can't even live in Long Island because it's too hard to get over.

02:11:18 Speaker_05
Hard to get over that we're making that is we're still renting and I'm making that decision like do we like buy a house somewhere?

02:11:23 Speaker_04
Jersey in Jersey, but then you get it takes you an hour to get exactly if you leave at 6 in the morning Exactly one of those deals.

02:11:30 Speaker_05
Yeah, I do well, which is worse. I

02:11:32 Speaker_04
It's it's hard and if you want to do stand-up god damn it you kind of have to be in the city Like it's so hard to do set unless you're single and free like when I lived in New Rochelle I lived in New Rochelle because I couldn't afford to live in the city at the time and I was Doing a lot of road gigs.

02:11:48 Speaker_04
I needed a car I needed a parking spot and if I lived in the city a parking spot was like a 500 bucks a month or something like that was crazy Yeah, half of my rent for a spot to put my car.

02:11:58 Speaker_04
I had to have a fucking car So I used to have to drive in the city to go and do spots So do spots in the city. I have to pay to park.

02:12:06 Speaker_04
I'd always lose money I never made any money if I lived in the city and just hopped around the subway and took cabs I could have made a living doing stand-up in the city But I had to do road gigs in order to just make a living just to be able to do sets in the city

02:12:18 Speaker_05
Yeah, no, and I've just started going, you know, getting into going back up just around the city again, just like, Oh, what am I doing this week? And hey, can I get a spot at this place? Because I've quit stand up three times. Now I'm back at it.

02:12:28 Speaker_05
It's, it's you can't really ever quit it. I feel like some people can. I mean, I think I could quit it.

02:12:34 Speaker_04
If I, you know, I quit it during COVID. I thought I could. I quit it during COVID for like eight months. And I was thinking while I was quitting it, while, you know, I was like, who knows if this is ever going to happen again. I was thinking, I'm okay.

02:12:45 Speaker_04
Like, I love it. I really love stand up. It's fun. I love comedian. Stan Hope said it best. He's like, I could quit comedy, but I couldn't quit comedian. Yeah, which is like totally right.

02:12:55 Speaker_04
It's like the hang is like it's too they're too fun to hang with They're too fun to be silly with everyone knows. There's no boundaries.

02:13:02 Speaker_04
Everyone's being hilarious everyone like last night We were in the green room and Brian Simpson came up with this new bit and everybody's like giving it like he said this thing It was really fun. I go dude. That's a bit.

02:13:13 Speaker_04
He's like you think so I'm like fuck yeah, and then he hit it with another tagline and then somebody else jumped in then he had another tag like like he created this bit right in front of

02:13:22 Speaker_04
Would you go on stage and tell that I was like, oh like those kind of moments Those are the most fun moments and I think only comics are gonna appreciate that You know, no one else is gonna understand what even just happened.

02:13:33 Speaker_04
That guy just has a bit There's not only just a bit but it's a root of what's going to be a real chunk of material.

02:13:40 Speaker_04
He's just started off with this hilarious premise that has a few really good taglines and then four months from now that's going to probably be a closing bit. It's like one of those deals. I can't stop hanging out with those people. It's too fun.

02:13:53 Speaker_05
Oh, it's too fun. But I mean, for me, I quit a few times. And I quit most recently, also during COVID. And then when I wrote the first book, I started doing a live show with in their slides involved, every slide has a punchline.

02:14:03 Speaker_05
And then next thing you know, I'm going up around the city now doing just like stand up as well in addition to my live shows.

02:14:08 Speaker_05
But now it's pretty much I'm gonna have no time to just do my my shows and then Gutfeld five days a week and the baby growing the baby. Maybe you do need speed.

02:14:18 Speaker_05
I'm telling you, I'm telling you, but it's, you know, they don't let you, well they do, the fact that they would let me take it, I was like, eh.

02:14:27 Speaker_04
Yeah, fuck that.

02:14:28 Speaker_05
Cause then if there was ever anything wrong with the baby, I'd be like, that was my fault. That was my fault for taking amphetamines during my pregnancy.

02:14:35 Speaker_04
Yeah, yeah, fuck that.

02:14:36 Speaker_05
So I thought it'd be honestly, I thought when I, I thought I'd be more scared of having kids and I am scared. I have no idea what I'm doing. But I've also just been like, too tired. Yeah, which is kind of nice.

02:14:49 Speaker_04
Right? That probably like eases some of the anxiety. You need a nap. Yeah, you have the baby then you're gonna need a lot of naps.

02:14:56 Speaker_04
Yeah, baby brain is real in the beginning You you think you're like out of it now when you don't get any sleep and the baby's up and then you gotta like Take turns like you you're you're gonna be like sleep-deprived for several months.

02:15:09 Speaker_05
Yeah, at least at least at least I mean I I've oh, it's crazy because only recently have I accepted that this baby's gonna like live in my apartment. I

02:15:20 Speaker_04
You're gonna want to get out of there you yeah, I'm sure yeah, you're gonna want to get a house You're gonna want to be somewhere safer and quieter somewhere with outside. Yeah somewhere where you kid can play a baby can't play on the balcony

02:15:33 Speaker_04
It's just, I just, you know, I have friends who raised their whole families in New York City, like kids from baby all the way to grown up. And those kids are different. They're little assassins.

02:15:42 Speaker_05
I don't want to have to explain to my toddler, dude, like jerking off on a street corner with a needle in his arm.

02:15:48 Speaker_04
They know too much at a young age.

02:15:49 Speaker_05
I don't want to have to, I mean, the stuff that you see just, it's not as bad as it was during COVID. It was crazy. People were shooting up all over the place. Not as bad, but still, I mean.

02:15:58 Speaker_04
Remember when people were using the streets as like racetracks?

02:16:01 Speaker_05
I was not crashing cars because there was no one on the street so people were going like a hundred and fifty miles an hour down Broadway there was I and when I live in Hudson Yards also during Kobe there was a dude out of chick bent over a car fucking her in the daytime in the daytime and he was like howling he was like wow and I'm looking around and there's nobody nobody's doing anything you know what do you want them to do

02:16:22 Speaker_05
No, right. Like nobody wants to be in the splash zone. Nobody wants to go anywhere near any of that.

02:16:26 Speaker_04
Also, with all the terrible things that are going on. Is that that bad? You know, I mean, they're not doing anything when someone smashes windows and steals clothes.

02:16:34 Speaker_05
I would be upset if that were my car.

02:16:35 Speaker_04
When de Blasio let those people have those smash and grabs and was telling them to get it out of their system. Remember that?

02:16:42 Speaker_04
Yeah, that that was the strategy just let the riots burn themselves out and don't arrest anybody like what are you fucking doing?

02:16:49 Speaker_05
Well, no personal property. That's calm. That's some communist shit, too It was great.

02:16:53 Speaker_04
It was just it didn't make any sense. It was all failed leftist philosophies from like the 1960s that nobody really believes it in practice and they're They've never worked. You can't just let people fucking smash and grab things.

02:17:07 Speaker_04
You're gonna destroy the fabric of society You're gonna so many people are gonna be indoctrinated into looting and stealing that maybe have never done that before if you have these mass if you have like these mass groups of people that

02:17:20 Speaker_04
Break into a mall and how many those people have ever done anything like that before? Probably a lot haven't and now all sudden they have and they do it multiple times Then it becomes a normalized thing. Yeah realizes. Nope.

02:17:32 Speaker_04
You've you've created a real fucking problem Well, you feel dumb for not stealing at a certain point

02:17:37 Speaker_05
You know, it's like why am I still paying for this shit? But you can't I can't buy anything at a store I have to get like Essentials toiletries types shit. You have to just get it online.

02:17:47 Speaker_05
You can't go to a store in New York It's all there's no one working there. There's a few employees.

02:17:51 Speaker_04
You got to press a button every time you need something Everything's locked up Bert Kreischer went viral today because I think Breitbart put a video of his because he went through a Rite Aid and

02:18:00 Speaker_03
But you know why they're going out of business because they got looted yeah, everything's locked up I see what you're saying, but it doesn't make sense that they're going out of business so they locked up everything

02:18:17 Speaker_04
No. No, they locked up everything because people were stealing. Like crazy, because they passed a fucking law where anything under $900 or whatever it was, they weren't allowed to arrest you.

02:18:26 Speaker_04
So people would just run in and throw deodorant and fucking hairspray. Toothpaste, everything. Throw everything in a bag and walk right out the door and no one could do a goddamn thing about it.

02:18:35 Speaker_04
Video showing deserted Rite-Aids bare shelves after bankruptcy goes viral. Is this Burt? Yeah. Lookit, Burt went viral. Burt's so happy, he's never gonna stop doing this now. He's gonna go everywhere. I wanna go to every Rite-Aid there is!

02:18:48 Speaker_04
Burt Kreischer, who showcased the empty shelves, incorrectly attributing them to theft. Incorrectly! First of all, it's the reason why they're locked up. Go, show the video. Show the video. Do you want me to send it to you? You got it. Okay.

02:19:06 Speaker_04
Because saying that, that's kooky to say. That's really kooky to say. Falsely attributing them to theft.

02:19:14 Speaker_00
Or is this one maybe... Look, everything's locked up. But this is empty, so this probably is going out of business.

02:19:28 Speaker_05
But I think this is going out of business because it's not locked up.

02:19:32 Speaker_04
Yeah, this is incorrect. This is classic. So I thought these were locks, locked boxes. Okay, Bert's wrong. But he's not wrong because the reason why they're going out of business is because they've been looted.

02:19:46 Speaker_04
So they've abandoned several major cities, right? They've moved out, a lot of businesses have moved out of San Francisco, a lot of businesses have moved out of LA for a very specific reason, because of these looting. This is real.

02:20:03 Speaker_04
What companies have pulled stores because of the after effect of looting? Let's find out. I know they have in Oakland. I think they have in San Francisco. Let's Google drugstores. What drugstores have pulled out of San Francisco? I think it's Walgreens.

02:20:30 Speaker_04
So what's the difference between Walmart and Walgreens? I mean, Walgreens drugs, Walmart is the big place that have but they have drugs there too, right? Yeah, but they don't have a pharmacy. They can hang in there.

02:20:40 Speaker_05
Yeah, they they're an institution and close around 900 stores in the next three years.

02:20:47 Speaker_03
9% of them are wait, it then closed six in San Francisco, including five throughout downtown and one on Venice Avenue.

02:20:53 Speaker_04
Yeah, drugstores. drugstores used to be like the most profitable fucking business you could own. Yeah. And now they're like, we're just getting robbed. Yeah, well, I mean... So Byrd's kind of right.

02:21:04 Speaker_04
He's not right why those shelves are empty at that moment, because they're going out of business. But that's why they're going out of business. Well, those would be locked up. Old Navy to Nordstrom. Half of the retailers fleeing downtown San Francisco.

02:21:18 Speaker_05
Well, because brick and mortar wasn't doing that well to begin with, because people are buying shit online, and then you just let people go, people were going to the store because you can steal it. So crazy.

02:21:27 Speaker_04
You can steal it. It's almost like they want society to collapse.

02:21:30 Speaker_04
Like allowing stuff like that and not making corrective measures to make these retailers feel comfortable so they stay in your community without doing anything to save them and letting them pull out and not making any corrective measures is so nuts.

02:21:43 Speaker_05
Yeah, it is nuts, but nothing's changed. I mean, New York's stuff has been locked up forever now.

02:21:49 Speaker_04
Right, but this is a new thing is what I'm saying. Yeah, relatively. This didn't exist in the year 2000. You never saw this.

02:21:55 Speaker_04
So in the last 24 years, all of a sudden it's become a thing that people are looting stores on a regular basis to the point where they have to move out of cities because there's no correction in the way they enforce the laws.

02:22:05 Speaker_05
Well, it's also not going to change, right? Like, New York is not going to have, the Republicans are not going to win New York. They might.

02:22:10 Speaker_04
It could get sideways enough where a Republican, a Rudy Giuliani type character can get in there. That depends on how much they have the system rigged.

02:22:18 Speaker_04
But I think there's a real possibility that someone could reach or some conservative Democrat, you know, some law and order Democrat. That's possible. Yeah, you can have one of those. But people are just going to have to get fed up.

02:22:33 Speaker_04
And the problem is, if they don't get fed up and they keep voting for the same thing like they seem to do in California and a lot of other places, they're never going to change. It's just going to keep getting worse. And I don't understand that.

02:22:44 Speaker_04
It's like, how much do you love your ideology when you don't realize that they're fucking your life up?

02:22:50 Speaker_05
yeah i don't know i mean it's because i think i mean i just have no hope i don't think that i don't think it's going to get any better i don't know i mean you have hope yeah i do i have faith in people i really do i think we come really close to fucking up a lot and we pull ourselves out of the ashes

02:23:08 Speaker_04
And I think there's been, if you just follow the course of our society over the last hundred years, there's been a lot of ups and downs. There was prohibition. There was World War I, World War II, Vietnam.

02:23:18 Speaker_04
There's a lot of things where it looked like society was over. Kent State, oh my God, what's going on? Martin Luther King gets shot. JFK gets shot. There was a lot of terrible moments. And then things got better.

02:23:29 Speaker_04
And then things, you know, it's always if you look on a chart, there's always Generally speaking, over time, there's less crime, less problems, the economy does a little bit better, everybody's cost of living changes.

02:23:46 Speaker_04
The way you live your life improves overall, generally. I think if you look at like a thousand years to today, it's obvious. There's a clear path. It's just like, gotta make sure that whatever dip we're in right now, we correct.

02:24:02 Speaker_04
All the things that we're doing wrong, It doesn't mean you can't do all the good things that progressive people want to do, in terms of funding education and helping people get over drug addiction and homelessness. All those things should be funded.

02:24:16 Speaker_04
It's a good idea to have more healthy, happy people in our society. But also, you can't rob the store. You shouldn't just be able to sneak in across the border because terrorists are a real thing.

02:24:29 Speaker_05
You can't you can't rob a store. And then also just with letting people I mean violent criminals out is another thing where it's like, dude, nobody wants this. It's crazy.

02:24:38 Speaker_05
Nobody wants this person who's convicted, you know, has this violent, violent history to be out on the streets.

02:24:43 Speaker_04
Except really super progressive da's who think that the criminal justice system is inherently racist.

02:24:49 Speaker_05
I think there's I don't think anybody should go to prison for for drug.

02:24:54 Speaker_05
I think drugs should be legal I think all drugs should be legal I think for sure But I think that that's different than saying crimes with people who've committed crimes with victims should be allowed to go

02:25:05 Speaker_04
Crew more victims right the thing about drugs is already illegal So if drugs were legal all the negative aspects of drugs other than addiction right overdose are already illegal Yeah, people that do math and break into a house because they need money for more math like that's already illegal exactly exactly and the problem with drugs being illegal is the same problem they have with prohibition during the You know the 19 whatever was 30s in this country.

02:25:31 Speaker_04
What year was it when alcohol?

02:25:33 Speaker_03
What years were it? I don't know the exact year.

02:25:35 Speaker_04
It was like seven or eight years, right, where alcohol was illegal?

02:25:37 Speaker_03
I think it was in the 20s, mostly.

02:25:39 Speaker_04
But what year did it end? It ended a couple of years before they made marijuana illegal, which is hilarious, because it took a complete shift. They literally took the people that were chasing alcohol, they chased them after marijuana. 1920 to 30.

02:25:51 Speaker_04
1920, so 13 years. Yeah, that's nuts. 13 years. But people were still boozing. Of course. They're just dying. But it also, my point was that it pumped up organized crime. And that's where Al Capone got rich and all these people got rich.

02:26:02 Speaker_04
They're bootleggers, moonshiners. That's where NASCAR comes from.

02:26:07 Speaker_05
Yeah. And that's the main reason why a lot of people point to, you know, look at this place where it's decriminalized. It didn't work. It's like, well, that's decriminalized, not legalized. And you don't have to have all these other things, too.

02:26:15 Speaker_04
But a lot of the places, look, it didn't work in Portland when they decriminalized, because Portland was already in a fucked up shit hole.

02:26:21 Speaker_05
A lot of it, yes, exactly.

02:26:22 Speaker_04
Portland needed rule, they needed Jesus. So Jesus should have come to Portland and sorted that place out. But instead they got, like, just do whatever you want, man.

02:26:31 Speaker_04
And then, of course, they're already addicted to drugs, so they're just going to do more drugs. But if you look at what they did with Portugal, that had a profound effect.

02:26:38 Speaker_04
You look at, there's countries that have decriminalized drugs, and it's been very beneficial.

02:26:43 Speaker_04
You're always still buying them from criminals because even when it's decriminalized, it's not legal to sell them and profit from them But it is legal to sell Adderall and it is you know, it's like we're in a screwball Fucked up world where we have things that we've accepted as being okay Just because they're grandfathered so fucked up and then other things like weed for which is the best example but other things like psychedelic

02:27:05 Speaker_05
so many benefits to psychedelics and also just so many comparative to alcohol and what that does to people versus not really benefits if any but you can be like I get fucked up and drink whatever but it's all fine it's everywhere but but psychedelics are you can go to jail

02:27:25 Speaker_04
It's all dumb, and it doesn't make any sense if you don't want to prop up the organized crime. Because there's a reason why the cartel's worth billions and billions and billions of dollars, it's because of us.

02:27:35 Speaker_04
Because we have drugs that are illegal, and they bring the drugs over and sell it to us, and that's how they make money. And if you don't want to fix that, just say it. Just say it. Because if you want to fix it, there's only one way to do it.

02:27:45 Speaker_04
And the one way to do it is to regulate it in-house. Make it in America, regulate it in America, and then use a responsible portion of that for treatment, a lot of that treatment, which should include psychedelics.

02:27:58 Speaker_04
So if you want to make things legal and then set up Ibogaine clinics everywhere,

02:28:03 Speaker_05
I bet you would get a lot of clean people that would ordinarily have a problem, but I bet Kat would still be taking nicotine I Still like nicotine amphetamines, but I think especially with with you know with veterans mental health But just really for anybody who wants to do it even for fun.

02:28:19 Speaker_05
I think it should be allowed But I mean times of violent crime.

02:28:22 Speaker_04
There's a lot of people that have had profound release and and just something that allows them to move on past the death of a loved one. There's certain people that get devastated by things, and psychedelics have helped them in tremendous ways.

02:28:40 Speaker_04
And they just denied, the FDA just denied, you know, MAPS has run this long-term study on MDMA, and you know, now they have to go through more studies. And it's very unfortunate, because people have benefited tremendously from that kind of therapy.

02:28:55 Speaker_05
Yeah, and I mean, if you look at With veterans, it's like you send them over to these wars, and a lot of people don't come back normal from that. How could you expect them to come back normal?

02:29:07 Speaker_05
And people love to say, support the troops, support the troops. They don't think about what that really means.

02:29:13 Speaker_05
It's because it can look a little uglier a little more complicated than just you know saying that or wearing like a flag pin on your suit And I think in general when it comes to mental health we've never like talked about mental health more But people are struggling because we have such little leeway for people who are going through a mental health crisis if you make a mistake that mistake defines you and

02:29:34 Speaker_04
Well, there's not just that. There's so limited resources in terms of how to deal with your mental health problem. If you're not allowing people to use psychedelics, then you're deciding.

02:29:44 Speaker_04
And most of the people that are deciding are also people that haven't experienced psychedelics, which is really crazy. It's really crazy.

02:29:50 Speaker_05
Well, that's the government. They're legislating things they don't understand.

02:29:53 Speaker_04
Like, literally. Yeah. Especially in this regard.

02:29:57 Speaker_05
Absolutely. I completely agree.

02:29:58 Speaker_04
If you really wanted to help the troops, you would give them access to that stuff, because there's been a lot of people that have had tremendous results. It's not saying it's going to work for everybody. It's not a cure-all. It's not a panacea.

02:30:10 Speaker_04
But it's a tool. It's a tool in the toolbox, and we need a lot of tools. There's a lot of people out there that are hurting. and to help them.

02:30:16 Speaker_05
Oh yeah, I'm a huge, huge supporter of that.

02:30:19 Speaker_04
The world would be a better place. It's crazy that we still have to argue about this in 2024. I know.

02:30:23 Speaker_04
With all the information that we have now on the internet and all the people that have had to go to Costa Rica and have these retreats and come back and be cured of opiate addiction and all these problems that they've had, and we're still like, meh, more tests.

02:30:37 Speaker_04
More tests. But here's some fentanyl. More tests. But here, take your oxys. More tests. But you need speed.

02:30:46 Speaker_05
You should be able to make that choice. And I mean, it's psychedelics are just a huge huge huge benefit I mean, I'm a huge believer in that actually. Well, I'm a believer in freedom.

02:30:57 Speaker_04
Yeah, I'm a believer I'm a big believer in a person a human being should not be able to tell another human being what they can and cannot do with their life and their body if it doesn't hurt anybody else exactly and

02:31:10 Speaker_04
In my mind, psychedelics fall into that area. And if there's no benefit, no objective benefit, then why are all these people enthusiasts? Why are all these people doing it?

02:31:17 Speaker_04
Why are all these people talking about profound experiences and how much it's benefited them? And the people that are saying that you can't do it, have you done it? Do you know what the fuck you're talking about?

02:31:26 Speaker_04
And if you don't, probably you shouldn't be the one deciding on this.

02:31:31 Speaker_04
Absolutely, you should let people decide the more freedom you have the better it is for everybody But you know, they're worried about the whole system getting like 1960 again, you know Like tune in turn on drop out all that crazy shit that was going on when people became flower children Yes, but also so what yeah

02:31:49 Speaker_04
Is homelessness better? If you had a hundred thousand hippies in LA just like selling flowers in the street, would that be worse?

02:31:55 Speaker_05
Yeah, I think that psychedelics can be beneficial for people who have trauma, but also for just anybody. If you want to be able to experience that, then you should be free to experience that.

02:32:07 Speaker_04
Yeah, and if it was legal, you'd be able to find out who can and cannot take it.

02:32:12 Speaker_04
Yeah, because there's some people they got a screw loose and something goes And you know, they eat mushrooms and also they you know They think they can fly like people get a little nutty and certain people don't come back especially acid.

02:32:25 Speaker_04
I've heard some acid stories Yeah, and come back

02:32:28 Speaker_05
Yeah, but I mean, of course, but you hear stories about everything.

02:32:31 Speaker_04
But you don't know until you run studies.

02:32:34 Speaker_04
When things are legal, and you allow people to run these studies, and you come up with effective dosages, you find out what people are allergic to, what's this chemical reaction that people have, maybe certain medications that you shouldn't cross with it.

02:32:47 Speaker_05
But yeah, to your point, it's like you've never heard a story about someone doing alcohol and it going badly, or someone doing pharmaceuticals and it going badly. What a huge tool to be able to diminish the ego in a person.

02:33:03 Speaker_05
And what an amazing life-changing thing that can be. And to say you can't do that because I said so is crazy to an adult.

02:33:11 Speaker_04
To an adult. And the person who's telling you is uninformed.

02:33:14 Speaker_05
Mm-hmm. They've never tried it. They don't know what they're talking about.

02:33:17 Speaker_04
And there's no real right. There's no real rational If you if you could just have a conversation with a person not like a debate not in front of Congress like this Just you and me for hours.

02:33:27 Speaker_04
Let's just sit down for hours and you tell me why you think that psychedelics should be Prohibited yeah for all adults you tell me why and I'm gonna tell you why I think they should I'm gonna ask you some questions Well, what do you think they do?

02:33:39 Speaker_04
And then you would get a sense over the course of a couple of hours to talk to this person This person has no fucking business telling people what they can and can't take. Yeah, they're just bureaucrats

02:33:48 Speaker_04
They're just bureaucrats and they know that there's a certain amount of people that it's going to benefit them to vote in a certain way and state a certain opinion, and there's a certain amount of vested interests, a certain amount of special interest groups that would like them to continue to vote in a very specific way, and that's their God.

02:34:07 Speaker_04
That's who they go with. It has nothing to do with what's good for everybody.

02:34:12 Speaker_05
No, and people just have this framework of like, well, that's a crazy thing. That's bad. Drugs are bad. Those are bad. That's crazy. Can't do that. And then people who have had experience with them might feel differently, but that doesn't matter.

02:34:27 Speaker_04
It's a sign of a sick society.

02:34:29 Speaker_05
Because then the people who have experience with them are people who do drugs.

02:34:32 Speaker_04
Right, and those people never want to be president. Isn't it ironic?

02:34:36 Speaker_04
You'd want the president to do something, at least some sort of a psychedelic experience, one time, to just connect with God real quick, come back and go, okay, I think we could do better.

02:34:49 Speaker_05
I think it would be better if more politicians did mushrooms.

02:34:53 Speaker_04
It probably would, but they'd probably get less politicians. They'd probably just quit. They'd be like, I don't want to do this job.

02:34:58 Speaker_04
I mean, to be able to person who could just gaslight 250 million people on a regular basis, you have to be out of your mind. You have to be really a crazy person.

02:35:08 Speaker_04
to stand in front of people and lie about the economy and lie about job numbers and lie about this and lie about that. That's the most un-psychedelic perspective ever. Yeah, it really is. What's the most un-psychedelic job?

02:35:22 Speaker_04
I would say White House press secretary. Yeah, exactly. You're just soothing everything over and making everything seem normal and making it seem like they've done an amazing job and everything's under control.

02:35:35 Speaker_05
For the sake of just upholding the system. Yeah. And it's just psychedelics make you think, you know, they make you realize also that you're going to die in a good way.

02:35:45 Speaker_05
Because the things you worry about in your life feel a little bit less ridiculous when you are more familiar with your mortality.

02:35:54 Speaker_05
Like, oh, we're kind of just all here, we're all people, and you're able to do things to your consciousness to see things differently. So that just makes you view things differently, and I think what's healthier than that?

02:36:06 Speaker_05
And like you said, it's not for everybody. There's people who definitely, they can't do it, things can go badly.

02:36:10 Speaker_04
Regular life is too fucked for them. There's people that regular reality is too slippery. They shouldn't be doing anything. Those people need some other kind of help. And I don't know what that help is. I'm not a psychiatrist.

02:36:22 Speaker_04
But I do know that for a lot of people, they're beneficial. I know a lot of people shouldn't drink.

02:36:26 Speaker_04
But alcohol is legal and you know and all these things are things that we need to learn And the only way we learn them is if we have access to them Yeah, we know what the real benefits actually are and what the real risks actually are.

02:36:37 Speaker_04
Mm-hmm We know what the real risks of Jack Daniels are. It's like there's a long history of people drinking themselves to death to death. I

02:36:44 Speaker_05
And not only that, but killing other people, like getting behind the wheel, but also getting violence, getting, I mean, just alcohol.

02:36:52 Speaker_04
Just getting beat up in the street because you're fucking drunk and you mouth off to somebody. Now you're in the hospital with a broken skull.

02:36:58 Speaker_04
Like there's so many detrimental side effects to alcohol, but yet no one is saying we should make alcohol illegal. No. Could you imagine if that was their next pitch? Yeah. Prohibition, we need to bring it back. That's the way safer drug.

02:37:16 Speaker_04
Yeah, it's way safer. Yeah way safer way. It makes everybody a lot more peaceful It's way less violent.

02:37:23 Speaker_05
You also don't hear People waxing poetic. I mean myself included I'm not gonna stay here and be like well what alcohol can do is all these really I mean, can it be fun to get drunk sometimes? Yeah, I guess but it's it's like the next day.

02:37:36 Speaker_05
I'm never like man I'm so glad that I drank all that booze.

02:37:40 Speaker_04
They really just opened my eyes to think no, it's it's no alcohol is the perfect example of no biological free lunch Yeah, yeah rush that fun time you feel when you're lit

02:37:55 Speaker_05
For me it's the emotional like everybody hates me Everybody it's the opposite of what psychedelics can do you're like they've gives you some perspective on the world and your place in the world and then Alcohol puts the next morning.

02:38:15 Speaker_05
It's the opposite of that. It's like everyone the world revolves around how mad it all is at me, right?

02:38:21 Speaker_04
You know You're like, what did I do? What did I do? You think about some loud, stupid shit you said.

02:38:25 Speaker_05
I'm like, why did I do that? Well, the texting, I'm like, what did I say? And then you think, and then I think that I am going to be deposed into court for some shit.

02:38:36 Speaker_05
And all these messages are going to be the shit that I was saying when I was... To me, it's pretty clear which one, but there's only one of them that I could go to jail for doing.

02:38:49 Speaker_04
Right. It's nuts. It's nuts. It doesn't make any sense. It's also been here before people. Like, what are we doing making nature illegal? It's so stupid. Yeah. The whole thing is stupid. It's just and it's stupid.

02:39:00 Speaker_04
And the fact that we still allow it is so crazy and no one's it would have it sounds trivial to people that don't do it.

02:39:08 Speaker_04
But if you allowed people control of their consciousness and to have these kind of experiences, you'd have a lot more people that are thinking about things in a lot more considerate and careful way. And that's what I think the benefit of it is.

02:39:22 Speaker_04
Yeah, even if it's not, maybe you're really not contacting God or aliens, whatever it is, but just the benefits of having it.

02:39:30 Speaker_04
But I think there's a lot of things that can make people more kind and considerate, like, in a very counterintuitive way, I think martial arts do.

02:39:40 Speaker_04
Jiu-jitsu, especially they're the nicest people I've ever met my friends from jiu-jitsu are the nicest fucking people because every day they're trying to kill each other and They don't have any of that in regular life. There's no chest puffing.

02:39:54 Speaker_04
There's no douchebaggery like people that are like

02:39:59 Speaker_04
The guys that I know that train three, four times a week and are really interested in jujitsu, doing it all the time, they're some of the most peaceful, calm, easygoing, measured, even when they talk to people in confrontations, very measured, because they're coming from a place of strength.

02:40:17 Speaker_04
most men in particular they come from a place of trying to pretend they have strength in order to like Intimidate you to get up to get out like get you on your back foot get you on the heels Fuck you, man.

02:40:28 Speaker_04
Like that kind of douchey kind of shit is just insecurity Yeah, these guys don't have any of that and it's it's just a healthier like I don't think everybody should do jujitsu It's too hard

02:40:39 Speaker_04
Don't do it if you don't probably not for me, but I think there's a lot of things like that in this world I don't think it's just psychedelics. I think there's multiple.

02:40:47 Speaker_04
I think yoga plays a big factor in that I remember I got in a car accident when I was on yoga when I was on yoga I love doing yoga so much. Me and Ari Shaffir, Bert Kreischer, and Tom Segura, we do the Sober October.

02:41:01 Speaker_04
And every time we do Sober October, we have these things that we do where we'll have a fitness challenge, or you have to do, I think we had 15 yoga classes in the month, so you had to do a yoga class every other day for a month.

02:41:16 Speaker_04
And I got really into it. I was doing it a lot. And this guy rear-ended me on the highway, and I had a really nice car. And he crashed into me, and he was on his phone, he was texting, and he was illegal, and he didn't have a driver's license.

02:41:29 Speaker_07
Oh shit, what a mess.

02:41:30 Speaker_04
And I was so calm about it. I was like, you okay? I was like, I'm okay. You okay? And I was like, I'm just gonna take off. You know, I'm just gonna get my car fixed. That just took off. Luckily, he didn't wreck my car. He just bent the back.

02:41:45 Speaker_04
It was a Porsche. It was a 911 GT3, a very nice car. But his car, he had a little bullshit car, like a little Honda Accord. And when he slammed on the brakes, it basically went under the back of my car and bumped it up in the air and it stalled out.

02:41:58 Speaker_04
And his car was pretty fucked up. He couldn't drive off, but I could drive off. So I just drove to the comedy store. And I was like, okay, why was I so calm about that? I wasn't even mad at that guy. I was like, he's an illegal alien.

02:42:10 Speaker_04
Excuse me, immigrant. Undocumented minor, whatever he is. Undocumented immigrant. Just some dude who came from Mexico.

02:42:17 Speaker_05
His day was having a tough day.

02:42:18 Speaker_04
I said, why don't you have a license? He goes, I can't because I'm illegal. I said, okay. I go, but yet you still drive. And he goes, I have to for work.

02:42:28 Speaker_04
I get it, I get it, but it was like a very con- he said he was sorry, I believed him, it was just a mistake, he fucked up, traffic had slowed- you know LA, traffic like all of a sudden comes to a screeching halt and sometimes people aren't ready for it.

02:42:40 Speaker_04
And uh, I really think it was yoga. I think- I didn't even get mad at the guy, I was like alright, take it easy, I just drove away. I drove away and I thought about it afterwards. I was like, why can't it be like that with everything?

02:42:52 Speaker_04
What would help me be like that in every situation? To treat every interaction with people as calm as possible and never really get totally upset by anything. It is what it is. No big deal.

02:43:06 Speaker_04
And I was like, man, that's probably a great tool just for society. If yoga was a thing that most people did every day in the morning, what impact would that have just in the overall population of how nice people are to each other?

02:43:20 Speaker_04
It would probably be huge.

02:43:22 Speaker_05
Probably be huge. Yeah, I was raised in a household where yoga was the devil. Yeah, my mom was really Catholic So like it's a bad.

02:43:33 Speaker_05
I mean, I'm I'm not I don't know if that's obvious stretching that I'm not Catholic I know but exactly yeah, but there's something I don't know.

02:43:40 Speaker_04
I For Jesus, yeah, why didn't someone do yoga just take the poses and Yeah, I don't know some prayers, you know, oh

02:43:51 Speaker_05
I am not, I am not Catholic. I'm not religious at all anymore, which is why I think that I'm always looking for things. Like I'm always looking for a way to be religious or in some sense spiritual. I've never done ayahuasca.

02:44:04 Speaker_05
I really want to do ayahuasca. I've done other things that have been beneficial to me, but I'm searching for that thing. I'm searching for that. I want to believe in something greater than myself. I think that's normal for people.

02:44:17 Speaker_04
And I think that's why a lot of atheists, they talk like religious people. They talk about atheism the same way religious people talk about their belief in God, that they absolutely know it's true. It's kind of the same thing.

02:44:28 Speaker_04
They're like, no, there's nothing. I do not believe in God. There's no evidence that there's God.

02:44:31 Speaker_05
I'm not that. I'm just agnostic. I'm kind of like, who am I to say what there is and isn't?

02:44:38 Speaker_04
Yeah, I can appreciate that. I think there's something going on. I think there's something going on that we're a part of that is too big for us to grasp.

02:44:47 Speaker_04
Yeah, I think we're like a hand waving over a fucking earthworm and earthworm has no idea what's going on because I think it's too big I think just the the idea of this infinite space that we live in with who knows how many galaxies and we're on this planet and

02:45:03 Speaker_04
And we're making babies, and you're cooking one up inside your body right now, and you're going on stage and doing stand-up, and we're having an election, and we might have a nuclear war, and all this shit is happening all throughout the universe, all over the place.

02:45:14 Speaker_04
Not just here, but probably in an infinite number of planets everywhere. The whole thing's too big. And for you to say, there's no God, God's not real, it's like you have no idea. You have no idea.

02:45:25 Speaker_04
And by the way, the evidence of there being something that's forcing this in a general direction is overwhelming.

02:45:33 Speaker_04
There's something that's, whether it's some natural properties, like Brett Weinstein calls it Darwinian evolution, that it applies to everything and things get better and improve and evolve. Yeah, but what is causing that? What made that?

02:45:47 Speaker_04
What is the overall force behind this whole thing? What's its goal? It seems to be moving in a general direction all the time, and that direction is constant improvement of life forms, of societies, of technology. It's moving in this fucking direction.

02:46:03 Speaker_04
How do you know it's not God? How do you know it's not the way God works? How do you know the universe isn't God and this is the way it expresses itself?

02:46:11 Speaker_05
Yeah, the craziest, and this is the most normal thing to do is get pregnant, but it's the craziest trip I've ever had. It has to be. All I did was have sex. I didn't pick up a license, and now there's gonna be a baby in my apartment.

02:46:21 Speaker_04
And wait till you start talking to that baby.

02:46:23 Speaker_05
That's what's gonna be crazy. This is gonna be a human that's gonna have opinions, and it's gonna tell me no. They're gonna be mad at you. Yeah, I'm gonna be like, I didn't smoke any fucking cigs. I smoked no cigs, and now you're trying to tell me no?

02:46:35 Speaker_05
I'm gonna be like, I should've smoked a pack a day with your ass talking to me like that.

02:46:39 Speaker_04
Then they'll say look I didn't ask to be born. Yeah, exactly. They're gonna fight. Why'd you make me stupid bitch?

02:46:46 Speaker_05
No matter what the kids gonna find a way to hate you right like that's gonna fight and find a way I don't I don't know but it's it's the craziest It's the craziest trip, and I think it's also that's part of these I'm always like looking for I'm just like looking for meaning I want there to be something so badly right and that's and I think I think we all do

02:47:03 Speaker_05
I really do I think that's why it's people like psychedelics. I think that's what I mean It definitely can make you view the world in a different way. Yeah, and then compared to all the others I mean the worst drug I ever did was accutane

02:47:15 Speaker_05
It made me want to kill myself. This was last summer. I mean, I actually was suicidal.

02:47:19 Speaker_04
I went off of it. Multiple people in my life had that same situation.

02:47:23 Speaker_05
The way more dangerous drug for me than shrooms, Accutane.

02:47:28 Speaker_04
Andrew Santino, the hilarious comedian, talks about it. He said it was one of the worst experiences of his life. Really?

02:47:34 Speaker_05
Me too. My brain, I finally decided I was crying on the bathroom floor because I was going to die and everyone I know was going to die. And again, always been true, always been true. My husband found me on the bathroom floor crying.

02:47:47 Speaker_05
And I stopped taking it about a month before it worked out in my system, and then I went back to normal. But at that time I was like, I've lost myself. I'm never gonna be myself again.

02:47:56 Speaker_04
Whenever you have a medication and one of the side effects is suicidal ideation, those ones freak me out, because they'll just say it real calm. All these people are holding hands and spinning around in a wheat field. Suicidal ideation, like what?

02:48:09 Speaker_05
Yeah.

02:48:10 Speaker_05
I experienced that I experienced my brain being hijacked in a bad way by a drug for for zits I was like, I'll just and I was you know, you can't drink on it So I was like I was having these extreme reactions stone-cold sober But I was on the show sometimes that I would be so depressed and people would be email I'm getting emails like you're like acting like a bitch or you're this and that and it's like no No, you know, I want to kill myself.

02:48:36 Speaker_05
I don't think I'm too good for why I want to kill mice and it's just scary It was very scary

02:48:40 Speaker_04
Well, I'm glad you got off it.

02:48:42 Speaker_05
Yes. I'm off Accu. That one I'm never doing again.

02:48:44 Speaker_04
Yeah, that one's catchy. Listen, Kat, I really enjoyed talking to you. It was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed talking to you, too. It was really fun. Let's do this again. Yeah, thank you. Tell everybody about your book one more time, please.

02:48:52 Speaker_05
Do you have a copy of it here? I have it outside. I left all my shit outside. No worries. It's called I Used to Like You Until. It's called I Used to Like You Until.

02:49:00 Speaker_05
And it is all about how one single thing should not be enough to write another person off. It's about independent thinking. It's about connection. And I spill a lot of tea on myself in the book. So the point, I'm naked on the cover.

02:49:14 Speaker_05
My body looks nothing like this anymore. But covered in hate mail with the idea of vulnerability in the face of overwhelming hatred. That's great. So I, I, you know, I had the idea of. And you read it too. I did read the audiobook.

02:49:30 Speaker_04
Fantastic. Thank you. I'm so happy you did that. You have to.

02:49:33 Speaker_05
I have a very distinctive voice.

02:49:34 Speaker_04
Well also it's like, God, it's not that hard folks. Do it. I'm talking about a lot of very personal things in the book. I wouldn't want. You want some actor? No. This is a man. You should get some old man to do your voice. A British guy? My first period.

02:49:49 Speaker_05
Don't worry, that's not in the book. Well, thank you, Kat.

02:49:52 Speaker_04
Thank you for having me. I really, really appreciate it. It was a lot of fun. Me too. I agree. Bye, everybody.